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African Americans, A Bunch Of Whiners Or Are Their Grievances Justified?

Perhaps there isnt any black nation in this world that is as wealthy as black americans living in the United States of America. A talk show hostess is reputed to be the wealthiest and most influential black woman in the world, her money earned through legitimate (by worldly standards) ways. Another black american is on the verge of capturing the democratic nomination, a dream that has eluded other races. Inspite of their accomplishments, there are some blacks whose lives and ideology reflect either an attitude of ungratefulness and a call for change. There is a black guy that I know of, whose conversations sometimes is inflamed by racial inequities, a view shared by some of his fellow comrades. But I gotta ask, "What of the Asians, Latinos, and other minorities"? Are they also complaining? Asians are respected for being academic braniacs, as much as they are mocked for being geeks. Latinos, long associated with fence jumping and a lackadaisical attitude towards education have also made inroads in the USA. Today, black americans can can people like oprah, bill cosby, earl graves, condi rice as a few of the numerous successful blacks in the nation. In the Entertainment field, blacks are represented in Hollywood, though complaints have persisted that it is a shallow representation.

Do you think blacks are justified in their grievances against racism, or are they just blowing it out of proportion?

Meanwhile, here is a link on the discussion on race.

http://theblackpoliticalreview.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/cnn-black-in-america-40-years-ak-after-king/#comment-229

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These pages make perfect sense. Im Half "black" american so I can relate.

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You have to understand that the African Americans were not immigrants like every other race in America. They were captured and brought there by force. After slavery, they unwanted, but when they began to migrate back to Africa, America realised they were still needed and messed up their back to africa program.

You can understand they they have been totally confused by the system that holds them.

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Who doesnt know that you are a Liberian on asylum?

Internet sha. . .

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It's biblical prophecy. Honestly.

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Africa is my motherland

Nigeria(i missed you) is my country

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Do you have a problem with Africans?

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That's right KUNTA KINTE or is it GAY GAY?

you are just another useless African in our midst destroying out legacy.

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say the truth and the truth shall set u free

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you damn right. you go deshaun or is it ray-ray.

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I'm Glad my fore-farthers came over here to AMERIKKA in CHAINS!!!!

I wouldn't want to be an AFRICAN for NOTHING in the world!

Word!

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You have to wait for Orimilli to outline/present points you could have deciphered yourself? You need to do more reading and thinking than typing.

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You have this unusual habit of accusing me of something you do yourself.

I provided multiple sources, so that should show you that my posts are based off of what I've learned, and not based off of what I think.

You made that post before you posted about how other groups are doing much better than native Black Americans, and this is part of the reason as to why I said your posts are inconsistent.

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I love the way you IGNORE MOST ALL MY POSTS but try to tell me instead what YOU need me to know based on what you think, and tell me there is no blindness or bias with you, ROFLMAO!!! The above is from one of my old posts on here with you. Enjoy!!

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Herein lies the problem. You are approaching me here assuming that I don't know there are AAs that are successful out there but I am sorry you are not a mind reader and can not go around thinking EVERY Nigerian, Somali, Ethiopian you meet, all think the same way. In your bias, however you continue, even to this point to miss out on what the message has been and I am sorry, I can not help you with that.

I have given you a link to the US CENSUS Bureau so you can educate yourself even more on what the message has been thus far. I have even gone ahead to help you with information from the very links you post yourself but you seem stuck on what you think that you can not see past all that. If you want to continue believing as you do, that is fine by me but do not go around thinking you CAN READ MY MIND or you have me figured out. Read my posts as is instead of trying too hard to tie us all together with the few you claim do not see AAs in the right light. When you do that, then we can have a real debate, else, you are no different from those whose minds you claim to be trying hard to change at this point.

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Glad to see Nigerians are overly concerned with A.A's

Unfortunately, MOST A.A's knows NOTHING about Nigerians.

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Also, this concept of Sending African kids back to Africa - for learning and cultural relativism needs to STOP!

The kid will come back with THAT ACCENT.

Of course, to me there is nothing wrong with THAT ACCENT.

However, I've found that MOST Africans born in the U.S. that were sent home - becomes "insecure" and rarely talk.

Because they have THAT ACCENT.

Just raise the kid in an upscale neighborhood.

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Absolutely right. Think of places like Hyde Park in South Side Chicago, which is regarded as a prime neighborhood despite the notoriety that the south side of Chicago conveys. There are places in Atlanta and other places where blacks are making a sucessful living and the place are nice and dandy. In the bay area, I can only think of East Palo Alto, and no, I wouldnt want to live there.

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Some Africans choose to live in white neighborhoods because it is regarded as a safe neighborhood, unlike blacks. As for me, given the choice and money, I'd rather live in Los Altos, a wealthy white enclave than to live in the Oakland Hills.

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@orimilli

i have gone through this thread and read all the comments and i must say your comments,and the way you have analysed and put foward your arguments r outstanding even though i do not agree with you,i wish most of us could debate/discuss in these manner, brilliant

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You should ask yourself that very same question. The article doesn't have to tell you that they're only referring to AA's, and not African immigrants. We're two different groups of people. The article would've specifically mentioned Africans immigrants and credit their hard work work, but they didn't because the article has nothing to do with Africans. We're are identified differently.

Read these quotes from the article, for instance:

"Everyone knows the 'crack to glory' story of the rappers,"

They aren't talking about Africans because drugs are a major problem in AA inner cities, and you guys resent rap music.

"Middle-class, African-American life has been invisible to mainstream America for most of the 20th century, says American University professor Leonard Steinhorn, coauthor of "By the Color of Our Skin: The Illusion of Integration and the Reality of Race." This derives largely from what he calls the sin of decades of segregation in the suburbs, the traditional home of the middle class."

AA communities are segregated, and have gone unoticed.

"He points to such consciousness-raising moments as the 2005 surprise box office success of Tyler Perry's "Diary of a Mad Black Woman," revealing to Hollywood studios the presence of a large, underserved middle-class black audience."

Given the misconceptions and generalizations Africans have about AA's, I seriously doubt that large numbers of Nigerians and other African groups would line up to see Tyler Perry's movie, which was a huge success.

"The appearance of such athletes as Tiger Woods and Serena and Venus Williams in traditionally white sports such as golf and tennis were more such moments, agrees Smokey Fontaine, chief content officer for the social-networking site, Black Planet. The biggest is of course Oprah, who represents not just affluent but powerful black America, he adds."

Tiger Woods, Serena Williams and Oprah represent the the AA community, not the African immigrant community.

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A few days ago you told me that it was recorded that Africans are more educated and more successful than AA's. If this is true, then shouldn't it already be be understood that Africans in America have a visible middle class. Our celebrities; Oprah, Bill Cosby and Tiger Woods have absolutely nothing to do with Africans. The article clearly mentions how our middle class has gone unoticed and how our neighborhoods are segregated from others. Your belief that any mention of our middle class automatically includes Africans or other black immigrants is amusing. You're referred to as an African immigrant, or a Nigerian American.

Coming from a person who thinks "shove it or die" is an appropriate slogan, you have no right to question my sanity. I just think this thread is insulting, considering that no one has the authority to determine the validity of another person's complaint.

There is no debate. You're doing everything in your power to discredit how well we're doing here. Your insecurities are beginning to shine through.

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WOW!!! You don't seem to want to get it cause you seem stuck on what you want. NO WHERE IN THE MONITOR's ARTICLE ARE YOU TOLD THAT ARTICLE REFERS ONLY TO AFRICAN AMERICANS AND NOT BLACKS FROM AFRICAN INCLUDED. CAN YOU NOT GET IT??

DID YOU EVEN BOTHER READING FROM YOUR OWN CENSUS REPORT? ASK THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN POSTING ON HERE AND MAYBE THEY WILL PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION AS WELL. WHY does this have to be another BLIND DEBATE OF " MY PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOURS, BECAUSE I SAY SO, EVEN WHEN THE STATS SAY IT IS NOT SO". If you want to believe what you are saying SO HARD, then fine with me. Everyone has to fight for theirs, but when you want to deal with facts and actually deal with the real numbers, let me know. Till then, this is moot.

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For anyone interested:  

This article details how Affluent AA's are blossoming in the Dallas, TX area.

The Dallas Morning News

Black wealth blossoms in suburbs: D-FW ranks among top U.S. areas for well-off professionals

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     The number of black households in the metro area that earn at least $100,000 tripled during the 1990s, propelling Dallas-Fort Worth into the ranks of the nation's leading metropolitan areas for upper-income black professionals, according to a Dallas Morning News analysis.

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     Adjusted for inflation, $100,000 in 2000 is the equivalent of about $75,000 in 1990, the baseline for the analysis.

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     Among 28 metropolitan areas with at least 1 million people, and in which at least 10 percent of households are black, the Dallas-Fort Worth area has the sixth-highest percentage of black households making at least $100,000. That places the D-FW area behind established centers of black affluence such as Atlanta and Washington, D.C., and ahead of Indianapolis, Houston and Philadelphia.

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     The D-FW area also posted the fifth-biggest gain in upper-income black households during the 1990s, growing from about 5,300 to more than 16,000 households.

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     Unlike Atlanta and Washington, D.C., the affluent black population in the D-FW area is more spread out, with small, growing pockets in newer, more affluent cities and larger populations emerging in older inner-ring suburbs with larger black populations.

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     As their numbers grow here, affluent blacks are changing more than the demographics of their communities. They are making their mark in the business community. They are demanding more from their local schools. They are creating large, primarily black churches. Political power still eludes them, however, given their relatively small numbers and the lack of a concentrated geographic bloc of voters.

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     Fueling the increase in affluent blacks is a growing North Texas economy, which is attracting black professionals from other cities as well as launching black residents already in the area into higher income brackets.

Catching Up

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     Upper-income black households in Dallas grew 84 percent from the 1990 to 2000 census, but the city's growth trailed both the state and the D-FW region as a whole.

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     About half of blacks in households earning six figures moved between 1995 and 2000, according to census figures. Seventy percent moved within the D-FW area. Five percent moved from another part of Texas. The rest came from other parts of the country.

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     In many area suburbs, the number of affluent households increased significantly. But many of those increases seem dramatic because they started from such small bases in 1989, the year for which the 1990 census income data were gathered.

Rising median income

   * In more than 20 D-FW-area cities with at least 200 black households, median black household income exceeds the median income for black households nationwide.

   * In 13 local cities, the income for black households exceeds the median for all U.S. households.

   * And in six of those cities, the median household income for black households exceeds that city's overall median income.

http://www.namb.net/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=9qKILUOzEpH&b=1677311&ct=2536221

The amount of AA(non African immigrant) churches in the Dallas suburbs correlates with the article above.

All Nations Fellowship Church

5146 S. Country Club Rd., Garland

972-303-6511

www.anfchurch.org

About 250 members

First Baptist Church of Hamilton Park

300 Phillips St., Richardson

972-235-4235

www.fbchp.org

About 5,000 members

Greenville Avenue Church of Christ

1013 S. Greenville Ave., Richardson

972-644-2335

www.gacoc.org

About 2,500 members

Living Waters Family Worship Center

(Temporary Worship Site )

Spears Elementary School

8500 Wade Blvd., Frisco

214-387-9602

www.LWFWC.org

About 300 worshippers

The LOVE Church

(Temporary Worship Site)

Renaissance Hotel

900 E. Lookout Dr., Richardson

www.thelovechurch.com

About 300 members

North Dallas Community Bible Fellowship

(Sherman Campus)

1010 & 1020 S. Sherman St., Richardson

(Centennial Campus)

302 Centennial Blvd., Richardson

972-437-3493

www.ndcbf.org

About 4,500 members

Northeast Bible Church

4101 East Park Blvd., Suite 101, Plano

469-574-6322

www.northeastbiblechurch.org

About 200 worshippers

Shiloh Missionary Baptist Church

920 E. 14th St., Plano

972-423-6695

www.shilohbaptistchurch.org

About 2,000 worshippers

St. John Baptist Church

North Family Fellowship

2805 Market Loop, Ste. 300, Southlake

817-410-8990

www.sjbcfamily.net

About 1,000 worshippers

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/longterm/stories/062905dnwebchurchlinks.54f12199.html

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What's obvious is that we're doing much better than you're willing to admit.    The information I provided shatters the fundamental beliefs you have of AA's, and that upsets you.   I'll once again post the article detailing how the the AA middle class has finally come into the spotlight.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1031/p13s01-algn.html

Most of us don't whine, but the fact that you're choosing to obsess over a handful of complaints is beyond absurd.  Your energies should be directed towards your Nigerian people.   

2 days ago you said it was recorded that Africans are much more successful than we are, but since you weren't able to prove that, you're now saying the stats of Africans are combined with AA stats to boost AA incomes, purchasing power and business revenues.  Given the inconsistency of your posts from the past few days, your "noise" is much more sensational than mine.

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@Reston, I see this is not going to get anywhere at all as you choose to continue denying what is apparent in all those posts of yours. Just so you know, you are proving the point being made by the @Poster here. That african americans have it all and so the WHINES we heard back during the elections are just that WHINES and unjustified.

If you ever want to convince me, find me data that separates Africans and people of carribean origin, from the numbers of blacks in American and then gives a break down on each group. Else, you are just making noise. I happen to know that even as an African in America, I am constantly being counted as a black American/African American. I go to apply for jobs and that selection still says Black/African American. You go to apply to college, you are either international or Black/African American. From what I know, that is where some of the earnings and education data for all these comes from and if you could only understand how flawed that is for you to argue your point based on that data.

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@ Kobojunkie

This article mentions the AA, or Black American middle class and how it's "INVISIBLE" and segregated.  The article also notes that 10% or 2 million African Americans earn 75,000 or more each year.  Read this in it's entirety.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1031/p13s01-algn.html

This article mentions how those same 2 million affluent AA's have a spending power of 29 billion.   They also mentioned how we like to spend a lot of money on clothes.  That's something we're known for.

http://www.mediabuyerplanner.com/2008/09/15/affluent-african-americans-wield-298b-in-spending-power/

This article atalks about Affluent African Americans in Hartford, CT.

http://www.s4.brown.edu/cen2000/othersay/090703Hartford.pdf

Read about an affluent AA community in Atlanta called Cascade Heights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascade_Heights

Check out the top 25 black neighborhoods.

http://higley1000.com/about-this-site/methodology/top-25-b

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Yes Maryland does have a lot of Nigerians, but that doesn't mean that they live in those specific communities listed. The total US Nigerian population hovers around a million or so, and like every other group of people, there is a considerable amount of Nigerians that aren't affluent(income wise). African and African American, or Black American suburbians live in SEGREGATED communities. The overwhelming majority of Africans believe our middle class is nonexistant, and this is why I'm usually met with so much resistance when I try to explain to Africans that we're doing much better than they realize. I live in an area in metro Atlanta where there are literally DOZENS of large middle class AA, or BA subdivisions. There aren't any Africans in these areas, and I've noticed that Africans typically live in white neighborhoods, and that's because they believe we don't live in nice communities.

What you don't realize is that the US has already estimated the number of Ethiopians, Ghanaians, and Nigerians living in the country. Keep in mind that Africans in America reject being called African American because we have so many negative stereotypes, and they don't want to lumped in together with us. For instance, they prefer to be called Somali American or Ethiopian American. Anyway, our government is able to keep track of their respective poverty rates, graduations rates and homeownership rates. The fact that the government can do all of this, and then just become lazy and lump all of our incomes together is unbelievable. I'm sure that Africans have done nothing to boost the "black" poverty and crime rates in this nation. The belief that people seem to have about Africans boosting our incomes, or only our POSITIVE statistics is downright insulting.

How can we unite when most you people have so many low opinions about us. Most of you constantly try to discredit our success here, and wish to believe that we're mostly poor when we're not. The bizarre thing is that most AA's are oblivious to this. I don't dislike or hate Africans, but I understand that we all have different cultures, different histories and different experiences.

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The info below is taken from one of the sources pooled in the above links

http://www.marketresearch.com/map/prod/1090871.html

Profile of the African American Population

African American Population Totals 37.5 Million

Foreign-Born Black Population Shows Rapid Increase

Black Population Continues to Grow at Above-Average Rate

African American Population Will Exceed 40 Million in 2010

African Americans Influential in Younger Age Groups

Southern States Have Highest Percentage of African Americans

African Americans More Dispersed than Hispanics

Fast-Growing African American Populations Found throughout the United States

Notice how the African American population includes foreign born black people. ie. Africans ?

Another link to help you better

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/007862.html

Can you at least accept that the above continue to point to the same?

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@ reston: one of the links you posted about affluent African American communities in the US, lists maryland, which has one of the highest concentrations of Nigerian immigrants after Houston and Georgia?

I dont know why you're acting as if you dont know Africans are routinely included when making blanket statements about black incomes and achievements in the US.

I know many AAs try to officially differentiate between the two (I have a cousin at Howard), but you cant ignore the fact that when compiling general statistics on blacks, society lumps everyone together.

In any case, you could have also posted your message on another thread where Africans and AAs are trying to unite.

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I am sorry but this has absolutely nothing to do with culture but about what the stats continue to show. It seems to me that you are sort of approaching this from a sentimental point as an AA ( which is what you claim to be) and I am sorry that is not going to work for me. It is RECORDED as FACTUAL that in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AA’s are not doing as well as Africans in AMERICA. Now if we wanted to continue injecting sentiments into this, we will never get anywhere. Check all the polls and you will see that even Hispanics are doing tremendously better than AA’s considering most of these are immigrants in this country still.  Can we please stick to Facts and not continue to manufacture FACTS out of sentiments?

@Tpia already pointed out to you earlier that majority of the stats that try to lift AAs as a group that is doing well in America continue to INCLUDE people of AFRICAN immigrants in those numbers and that is where we are not able to get the most accurate readings from those.

Nope. The US Census does separate the educational success but I have yet to actually find a report separating the earnings of Africans in America from that of AAs. Her eis a good site for you to check out. There are tons of reports for you to peruse to better understand what I am talking of here. http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/briefs/index.html

Did you intentionally skip this part of the report on the link you posted that says

That there would include all those who claim to be AFRICAN regardless of whether they be from Egypt, Algeria, Morocco etc, right?

Africans are Africans. Be they from Morocco Or Egypt Or even South Africa. They are all Africans and are mostly affected by the state of government and all the crisis in Africa. I do focus on my people but in America, I note that I am bundled as one of the blacks in America in most cases and so what’s the fuzz?

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Everyone culture in America believes they're doing better than AA's, but it's certainly not the truth, and that's mainly attributed to the lack of information. AA's are considered to be more successful than Africans here and abroad, and I believe it's because we were able to take advantage of the opportunities we created, while Africans failed to take advantage of the opportunities given to them by the colonial powers. In regards to your last few sentences, you seem to be implying that the US census separates our educational successes, but then combines our purchasing power and business revenues. If so, then what you just stated is an outright lie. I hope you don't have a problem with us attaining a purchasing power of 892 billion. Here in America, you're either referred to as an African immigrant or a Nigerian American, not an African American. All of our stats are separated, because we are different people.

http://www.marketingcharts.com/television/affluent-african-americans-making-impact-on-consumer-economy-3412/

One more thing, even though it doesn't matter, you're still comparing us to DIFFERENT African nationalities, unless Africa now is considered to be a borderless nation.

I just think it would be better for you to focus on your own people.

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Well, be it as it may, it still remains that Africans in America are still considered to excel more than there African American counterparts. Sure, there are indications that the AA numbers are rising but it still remains that Africans are more educated and considered more successful percentage wise then the AAs’, regardless of definition applies to success. Check the US census for more information. This is from census numbers. Now, when we consider the businesses, you do understand that the purchasing power attributed to AA’s in most researches still include Africans are members of the AA community?

Hmm. . . .

We seem to be on the same page so far. . .

Actually, if you have EVER taken time out to read my posts on here, you would note that I am just as critical of Nigerians as I am of AA’s and White trash. In my opinion, the average AA has no reason not to excel in America, as the Average African in America or the Average White in America. Hence the reason why I do not accept that I can not tell some AA who comes up with the RACE CARD reason to SHOVE IT OR DIE, regardless of how hardcore his complaint may be.

For Africa, we have our issues and we see that issue eating into the future of our kids on a daily basis but I believe for all, AAs and Africans alike (be they black Africans, Caucasian or Egyptian) America continues to offer a LEVEL playing ground for all those who want to succeed and so I do not accept the playing of the RACE CARD as a reason for not to SUCCEED in America, no matter what race or group you belong to. That excuse died a long time ago. I have even met Nigerians who play that card when questioned about there choices in America. Should I accept that excuse from a fellow Nigerian? HECK NO!!! I won’t and I certainly would not accept it from an AA who was born and raised here either.

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No, the stats I provided only include African Americans, or Black Americans. The African immigrant population here barely exceeds 2 million, and their stats are separated from ours.

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Sorry, there's no such thing as black solidarity. There is too much division, competition, etc. We're separated by our different experiences and history, etc.

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Eezzy,  through Africa's gained independence from their colonial powers, the Africans themselves have had similar opportunities as well.  African nations were given a stable economy, a strong infrastructure, control over their own natural resources and millions of dollars.  Africans gained their sovereignty roughly around the same time we gained our civil rights, and I find it amazing how this is always overlooked.  

Eezzy, Nigerians prefer to act and sing too, otherwise your Nollywood wouldn't be in existence.  Most of us are succeeding here in America, but instead of doing genuine research, you would rather generalize.  The majority of us aren't whiners because we wouldn't have gained our civil rights if we were.   The lack of knowledge is to blame for your opinion.

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There are today over two million Americans incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails throughout the United States. More than one-half, or one million, are black men and women. The devastating human costs of the mass incarceration of one out of every 35 individuals within black America are beyond imagination.

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@ RichyBlack as i said in my messed up comment above, ur point is great!

@ BI,,  thanks u've totally said my mind, good point

Thanks Orimili

@ Girl22, lol but true. That is a great point. Also they/we (because we're one) own Essence magazine n BET. In addition Black Americans invented the car engine, traffic sign, toilet, bicycle, performed the first succesful heart surgery, etc. Prob is whites know we Africans r gullible n believe everything they say, so they present ideas the way they want it, they even made me believe Africa was "totally wack" until i did some research n found out we do have great places in Africa n not just Nigeria. Take Ivory Coast for e.g, d place is so very developed, but they have d same unemployment probs we have. This is cos d whites from france have taken up most of their jobs, and have taken over about 99 percent of their businesses!, they come out of University to no jobs n since they resorted to robbery like some Nigerian's, d whites there started saying that d Blacks/Natives there r bad.

And don't forget guys, the Asians don't go tro as much set backs n racism as Blacks, n they r given more opportunities to succeed, without d whites oppression they know that Blacks would have taken over like they did many years ago before d whites got angry n revolted. Also because they r able to compete in sports, they have totally used their African skills, n they r now d best, including in d entertainment sector.

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Though I may disagree with you on some of your political views at times, you are spot on with your statement and make great points. We, as Nigerians in America, owe our being here to the same African-Americans that we openly criticize, ignoring that we have our own problems. I believe that our own ignorance adds to the issues of black Americans. I will also vote that their grievances are justified. Let African-Americans work on their problems. They've been improving themselves before we arrived, and will continue to improve themselves without our say.

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First, I must admit to you (blackspade) that this is an excellent article and I recommend to others to take a quick look at it.

Second, it bothers me when Nigerians in America feel free to castigate African Americans for not measuring up to the golden standard. I wonder what is this Nigerian Golden Standard?

Just keep in mind that if it wasn't for these people, you hypocrite would be here with me in Ajegunle eating smoked corn for dinner 6 times a week.

Personally, I'll prefer African Americans to criticise each other; but for some Nigerian back-scratcher to careless open up his or her mouth to talk down at these people is absolutely ridiculous.

Finally, instead of bringing them down, why not show your sincere support by embracing what they've been through and what they stand for?

Yes, they do not have our incredible culture, but could someone please give me a complete description of our diluted uncivilised culture?

We need to slow down a bit; with all our education, flashy cars, and big houses, most of us are still empty inside.

It is very important for us to clearly understand that we're all equal, and none of us is in a position to point out the defectiveness of others; especially African Americans.

Between you and I, this group of people (African Americans) indirectly look up to us (Africans); and we mustn't allow our ignorance and anger to cloud our judgment.; we are all brothers and sisters.

Therefore, my vote is "their grievances are absolutely justified"

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Nice article, thanks.

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Thank you for pointing that out RichyBlacK, it's disheartening to know that out own people deny their own success in America.

The Invisible Model Minority

This is not just limited to us African immigrants, but also Caribbean immigrants (Haiti, Jamaica, Barbados, etc. . .)

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Sorry to bring this topic back up, but I've been away for a while. It's good to see that others have started to look past the (extremely biased) information given to them, and come to see the reality of the black community, the part of it that's not constantly thrown in our faces by the popular media.

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Nigerians in Amerikka are enjoying a lifestyle they DID NOT FIGHT FOR!

If AA's didn't Whine, Picket, Marched and got killed - Africans would never had entered this country.

Africans HATES their culture - AA's loves theirs.

This is the reason the WORLD have grafted towards AA's way of life (even if its negative)

The WORLD could care less about "The African" way of life.

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American census.gov always update every 10 years after finished gathering American homeowners' census questionnaires either by mail or one-to-one interview volunteered staff to be input into automated system in the USA.

New stats will come out updated on 2010. Sorry---stuck with old stats from 2000!!!

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and to the Naughty Person who said that back americans who help make changes in amwerica are a minority

black poeple have invented that you use in everyday life

3000 plus patents.

black people are the ones that protested to get the civil rights act passed so that all races of people would get equal rights.

black americans have prestigous schools like howard,spelman,tuskegee

black americans have astromoners,physicts and one the best neurosurgoens in the world is a black american.

you should start reading magazines like black enterprise that showcase black american scientists,egineers,doctors,lawyers and ceo's rather than reading ebony and jet.

newsweek and time magazine is started and owned by black americans.

ya dig.

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Oka cool because those stats seemed a little outdated.

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links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1077-3711(200224%2F200324)38%3C53%3AHHESTD%3E2.0.CO%

and census.gov

and it has actuallty dropped since then to 22 %

this was old statistics.

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@girl22

where did you get your stats from?

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Over 70% of black America lives poor today

only 25% of black americans live below the poverty line.

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I don't think hostility means what you think it does. Anyway, your opinion is yours. The only reason this thread continues is because I refuse to be silent.

*in before 10 more posts discussing the definition of hostility*

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