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Honest Question For African Americans?

pls this is simple and straight forward.

is the democrat party taking you guys for granted? with overwhelming support for the dems, since the 60s, i'm yet to be convinced that there is much to show for it.

yet it is the republicans who appointed the first black secretary of state, first black female sec of state( it was rumoured that powell was asked to be VP he declined, saying he would prefer sec of state. not sure if its true)

first black chief justice(?not sure) appointed by republicans

did i mention that the republican party supervised the end of slavery in the US?

what has the democrats done for african americans? educate me. i may not know.

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I think AA's are not given enough credit for being politically savvy enogh o know where their bread is buttered. The democratic bias is not just ignorance. It is rooted in reality. Regardless of what is happening at the top of the party, the grassroots democratic party is far friendlier to the black cause than the republican one

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umm, here's why, its not about the appointment of condi rice or colin powel, dems stand for liberalism and social change. Democrats tend to be more liberal and own up to the harsh experiences of the black man through out american history, they are responsible for affirmative action and similar problems that are closing the gap between black and white advancement and opportunity. Dems are just socially liberal and and always champion the rights of minorities to include latinos and native americans, this has been going on for decades. Republicans are the epitomy of the white establishment, the white power structure and their interests are to maintain their upper hand in society o their priviledge, the most far right republicans have an inclination to be racists in most cases from what i tell. They're against programs like affirmative action (they call it reverse discrimination), they are against so many social programs that are against the interests of minority groups in america, at the grass roots level that is. They are just social conservatives and their line of thought goes like this "slavery happened a long time ago, get over it and know your place" This is how i see it.

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I think it's the side effect of an urban legend. I bet you, 90% of AA's that vote democratic do not know why they should do so. They only do it because they supposedly "heard" their people belong to the democratic party and it may take you a millenium to convince them that the republicans actually have done more for them than the democrats. Education is the key. You'll also notice that most black republicans are the educated ones. Same thing that made them believe Africans don't like them without knowing that there is no country like Africa in the first place.

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Neither party is worthy of the black vote.

Lincoln freed the slaves as a Republican in the 1800's.

In the Early 1900's the Blacks (by way of W.E.B Dubois) moved toward the Dems.

After the Civil Rights bill passed in 1964 the southern WHITES (which were always dems) moved toward the Republicans.

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN RACIALLY MOTIVATED!!!!

In reality.

Blacks that entered politics were BOUGHT AND SOLD and sold-out.

The best way of achieving ANYTHING was and is ALWAYS through PROTEST!!!!!!!!!

PROTESTING CHANGES THINGS in Amerikka!!!!!

In other words, once Blacks stop protesting - they lost power. Once blacks entered the political realm - they got bought off - and these people squashed hopes.

HOPEFULLY THIS WILL CHANGE WITH OBAMA.

No! it won't be a magic pill,

But his rise will awaken alot of little black and colored boys into POSSIBILITIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm not suggesting she pander to blacks. Take Colin Powell for example. His passion is teaching and helping young black kids. You'll probably never hear this from him in public, but he's good at it, and the AA community recognizes him for it, even if they dont agree with his politics.

Condi's take (she's not the only one) is that she's black, she made it herself, and you should pull yourself by your bootstraps too. Except she didnt. She got where she is because of the blood and tears of a previous generation. Its not too much to ask that she get more involved in the community. The fact that she is that high up in govt. means she can influence lots of young black women

As for the other races you mention, I wont go into too much detail, except to say that when they do get into positions of influence, helping their own is always paramount in their minds.

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I think its time people learn that Condi and Barrack if elected are not responsible for Black America!!

They make rules for the whole country!!!

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I have a question about your comment on Condi Rice. What exactly is she supposed to do to be on the same level as her fellow blacks? Focus less on the fact that She is in a high seat in a country where the motto includes the phrase "out of many, ONE" , to focus on one particular group of people who make up only about 12% of the population?

If she is sworn in to rule in a nation supposed to be ONE, but chooses to focus on the black community and their many issues, who gets to focus on the issues concerning the Chinese Americans, the Indian Americans, the Arab Americans? the Hispanics? Do we need to have one black, one chinese, one African, one Indian, one Arab in office then to satisfy all the individual groups as opposed to having one person in office to focus on issues that concerns all and not some over others?

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@toshmann,

The Republican strategy of appointing a few blacks into positions of apparent influence is the epitome of tokenism, both in principle and in actuality. The Republicans can appoint a thousand Blacks in positions of apparent influence and it would still not make a dent on the robust perception of the Republican Party as an anti-minority party. Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice have zero influence within the Black community. Have you asked yourself why that is so?

Yes, Republicans and Democrats, have at some point had their fair share of conspiring against or fighting for Blacks. However, today's reality is that the Republican Party is a party for corporate America, not for the citizens, and most certainly not for minorities!

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hmmmn, interesting. but. . about your last sentence, i was made to understand that the average AA has to work 3x as hard to make it in america (not just in republican party but in america as a whole)

anyway, you wear the shoe, you know better.

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I have done my homework googling to find your answer: What does Democrats have done for AA?

Democrats are as close to losing the African American vote as they have ever been. Let’s be completely honest, the Democratic Party takes African Americans for granted. They have been so focused on trying to win independents that they have all but ignored their most loyal constituency. This has been made very apparent in the primary. Obama did not have a lock on the African American vote until South Carolina. The reason for his dominance with this constituency is not because he is African American, it is because the Clintons were so confident of African American turnout in November that they thought nothing of alienating Blacks. This is just an expression of elite Democrats failure to really make an effort to earn Black loyalty.

McCain is not a scary Republican. He is not George W. Bush or Pat Buchanan. McCain is an old school Republican who doesn’t lean so heavily on the southern strategy that he scares Blacks off. Hillary, and her salt the earth policy, have managed to split the Democratic Party. It is possible for it to be reunited but not by a Clinton. If Clinton manages to win the nomination by hook or crook there are large numbers of African Americans who are willing to cross party lines or sit out this election. Those who sit out have the potential to be reenergized but those who cross lines to vote for McCain have the potential to stay there. Part of what McCain represents is a shift of the Republican Party away from the far right. 2008 could be the opportunity that some have been waiting for to break up the Democratic monopoly of the African American vote.

Luckily for the Democratic Party, Republican attempts to woo African American voters have been rare and incompetently executed. Leaning on the incompetence ones opponent is a terrible way to fight a political battle. Hopefully the party elite of the party will wake up and avoid losing one of its most valuable and important constituencies.

source: [damn, i lost the link from google]

other article: African Americans Crucial to Democratic Victory

http://www.blackcommentator.com/75/75_guest_brazile.html

The Black Commentator is a weekly internent magazine featuring commentary, analysis and investigations on issues affecting African Americans.

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i am yet to get some concrete answers to the question george bush asked in 2004 . .

is the democrat party taking you(african americans) for granted?

the VRA uspry1 talked about has been re-authorised my many republican presidents. how come nobody talks about the desegregation movement. when president eisenhower (republican) asked federal troops to protect african american students who were at risk in schools that didnt want them.

what has the democrats done for blacks in america?

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Have you ever heard that "Action Speaks Louder than Words"? Now I am curious. What do the DEM's stand for? Right now Bill Clinton is not as popular among the AA as he used to be, does that then mean that many AA's are turning REP? What is it that you claim the AA's can reason with??

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SeanT21, of course Bill Clinton was the former Democrat 42th US president back in 1993-2001 term. As of today, Bill Clinton is not anymore popular to AA. AA already changed their minds lose interesting in Clintons this year.

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I think it has to do with the Voting Right Acts (VRA) where American African has their voices for years.

Since VRA was the first signed into law by the US President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965, five additional presidents have signed the enactment or reauthorization of key parts of the Act – Richard Nixon (1970), Gerald Ford (1975), Ronald Regan (1982), George H.W. Bush (1992) and George W. Bush (2006). Though these periodic reauthorizations are necessary to keep some of the sections of the VRA from expiring, there are portions of the Act which have been made permanent and do not need renewal.

That is my opinion, since I am the first time paying attention to Politics last year understanding what's going on. For many years since I took Government class in secondary school, I do not believe in Politics. Because it belongs to dirty corruptions since it first created back early 1880s.  I myself am AA first-time voter this year---reason: enough is enough seeing AA suffered over 60 years after MLK's death. (racisms, discriminations, poverty) It is time for change!!! Voting is the power to stop Congress/Government/President being abused.

Today Americans have trouble believing who they will vote those presidental candidates---not like before in the history!!! 90 days left to vote!!!

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I am not an AA but most African Americans are Dem. Bill Clinton is famous in the AA comunity and he is a democrat.

Its not about what the DEM has done for the AA comunity. It is what they stand for. Most AA can reason with that.

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is that really enough reason for the blind support from african americans? what you stand for versus what you are really doing? how is the AA advantaged by the democrats?

bush posed this question in 2004. i'm yet to hear a tangible answer.

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I saw that BET channel on TV and I have ensured my children wont watch such a nonsense channel. Not that I have watched it extensively but I have read about the kind of things that are on show. besides, I dont want my children to be raised like black american children

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