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Israel On Stand-by To Attack Iran! Recipe For 3rd World war?

Full story here. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece

I do know what to make of this. It may also make an interesting read to check out the comments left on the news article.

Israelis forces are considered as one of the best in the world, however Iran aint no slouch either. If this happens, there is a possibility is may lead to wider problems as China and Russia will be dragged into all of these and will result in a collision path with the USA.

A recipe for potential 3rd world war?

Should Israel stand aside and allow Iran to carry out its nuclear objective [even though they claim it is for peace] bear, in mind that it was alleged that the president of Iran once stated that he wants Israel wiped out of the mapped or pushed into the sea.

The UN have showed over time and time again that it is a toothless bull and wont really do much about Iran, should this be left for Israel to carry out then even without the support of the US if needed?

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Dont expect lagosboy to agree with you. He knows its all about religion . . .

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I think there is no point arguing this with you. You have made an unreasonable remark citing the advantage the Israeli have over the entire Arab during the Six days way. Well, it’s a shame that Israel (The smallest country in the Middle East region) can stage a war with Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria and defeated them within six days. what a shame.

That is not the first time the Arab region came together against the Israelites. Check your history book May 1948–March 1949 Israel fought against Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Holy War Army and Arab Liberation Army Another Victory for Israel and the 1949 Armistice Agreements.

Israel captured the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria. This Arabian Countries are well populated. Why are they loosing out? Ask your self that question.

As a reasonable person, ask your self this question, why is the entire Arab coming together against Israel? Religion I suppose. I bet you, not even Russia, Iran or any other nation on earth can withstand Isreal. They have backings from above.

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By attacking Iran now, Israel is only defending herself. Obama can take the back seat if he chooses to, Israelite will defend themselves.  Go and read about the six days war (June 5, 1967 – June 10, 1967) when Israel defeated Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria. It will happen again.

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Simple - Israel isn't arming terrorists to attack Europe and the rest of the world, Iran is. Israel is a very capable technological and economic ally to the largest economies on earth . . . Iran is a threat to them. Israel's nuclear weapons are secure and only as a deterent, Iran wants weapons to attack her neighbors and other world nations . . .

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Rich sense of irony. You are doing exactly the same thing you wish others wouldnt . . .

Look at this piece of fraudulent demagoguery from you - How come there was no crises in the region until 1947 . . . the short answer is THERE WAS! Read up on history . . . the Hebron massacre of Jews in 1929 anyone?

how come the jews lived side by side with the muslims for hundreds of years in that region - They never did live "side by side" . . . Jews were nothing more than dhimmis in their own land. Muslims were NEVER original settlers on jewish land, we all know they conquered Jerusalem around 638 AD.

how come the jews always found sanctuary in muslim enclaves all through their history - As long as they were inconspicous dhimmis everything was marginally ok.

Lying, dishonest slowpoke.

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My brother i'm not expecting ur salient points to get through to the numbskull islamobots here

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Please read up your History book about Palestine (Philistine) Long before 2000 years the Israelites and Palestine ( then Philistine) has been fighting one war after the other. The Battle of Shephelah, Battle of Aphek, Battle of Eben-Ezer, Valley of Elah, these are battles between Israel and the Philistines You think they have been leaving in peace? Nooooooo. This is just a rebirth of an old misunderstanding.

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Point of correction, please note that Israel has been fighting before the birth of Jesus Christ. David and Goliath, if you ever heard of that story, Goliath was from Palestine.

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It is rational for Israel possessing nuclear weapons because they are not posing as a treat to any region. This is different with Iran; they made their intentions very clear if they are allowed to join the nuclear owners club, they will definitely attack Israel.

North Korea has nuclear plants; Israel has no comment on that. Iran intends to attack Israel with theirs, Iran has been funding various terrorist groups that Attacked Israel in the past.

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Christain zionism at its best.

Only if we could look at issues without our religious bias and sentments. How come there was no crises in the region until 1947, how come the jews lived side by side with the muslims for hundreds of years in that region, how come the jews always found sanctuary in muslim enclaves all through their history , even when they were persecuted in europe.

Please leave the issue of religon out of this and lets anaylse the issues politically.

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I just wonder the rationale in Israel possesing nuclear weapons and them not wanting iran to have nuclear technology. All animals are equal but some are more equal than the other innit?

Israel attacking iran would trigger fire in the whole region, thos gulf states would dare not support the US in such attacks as Iran would wipe them out in one day. The arabs will join the persians and it will be a colossal crises in the world. Israel will even never survive to regret it in my opinion. This is not 1981 iraq and i know Obama is wiser and will not be foolish to allow Netanyahu push him like a dummy.

He will remember his campaign rhetoric and the premise of change on which he assumed power.

My people why is the world ok with israel having nuclear weapons and not iran i still cant fathom.

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What has United Nations/Obama done to North Korea for breaking the rules?

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First Iran has refused to identify Israel as a state. Ahmadinejad made it clear he is ready for talks but will never identify Israel as a state.

Please understand the religion connotation of this war. The Muslims view Israel as their archenemy, the land Israel occupies is known as the most sacred land for the Islam and they will do everything possible to get the Israelites out of that land. Saudi Arabia is viewed as a sacred Land because no Israelite has ever stepped a foot on Saudi. Late Prophet Mohammed instructed the Arab that no Israelite should be allowed to step a foot on that land. Sorry for the diversion am tiring to bring out the point that Iran will never subscribe to any diplomatic channel. This is about religion, not just a normal war.

If you can read Ezekiel, from the old testament of the Bible, you will understand the religious aspect. Americas will not Support Israel here but at the End, Israel will defeat the whole Islam world.

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Why start a war when there is no war? What is wrong with Israelis and Iranians living their life as they're doing today?

If Israel strikes Iran and Iran retaliates, then that may be the beginning of a new war. There would be casualties on both sides and you can't even predict how far it could go.

Israel needs to pursue the diplomatic channel. Starting a war with Iran would definitely hurt Israel. And if the Arabs join the Persians in fighting Israel, a scenario that has never played out before, the cost of the war may be unbearable for the Israelis.

I'm convinced the military planners in Israel are not foolish enough to ignore the potential grave consequences of igniting a war by conducting a first strike against Iran.

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Have you ever asked yourself this question: What if JFK bombed Cuba during the missile crisis?

Some conspiracy theorists speculate that his refusal to follow a more hawkish agenda on the Cuban issue was a reason for his assassination.

Israel should continue on the path of diplomacy in dealing with Iran.

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@RichyBlack what are you talking about? Remember from the beginning this is not about Iran, it is about Israel and Palestine, the problem has existed for ages. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has made his intentions very clear. Do you expect Israel to fold her arms and Watch this racist develop atomic weapons? Certainly not, Israel needs to hit Iran very hard.

The war can only be delayed, it is biblical. The bible listed the names of the countries, Russia was boldly written in the Bible. I can tell Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has backings from Moscow. Remember the North Korean nuclear test, Russia also supported them. This is the road to the third world war.

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That could be mere suspicion, false allegations, false intelligence or just a policy position. However, if that is Israel's position on Iran, then Israel should take it's case to the United Nations.

Recall the Cuban missile crisis? The US had the same suspicion of the Soviet arming Cuba. What did they do? Bomb Cuba? Nope. They took their case to the UN and produced photographic evidence that the Soviets couldn't refute. The tension subsided and the US and the Soviet resolved the issue without a single bomb being dropped!

Why cant' Israel do the same?

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@RichyBlack,

What would you call a situation where a country actively funds, arms and encourages every element it can to destabilise and wage war against another country?

If Cameroun was actively arming, training and financing some militias in Nigeria to destabilise the country, would you consider it pre-eptive strike if Nigeria attacks Cameroun?

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Correct.

No country has the right to attack another country. Military action against a nation can only be justified if it is carried out in self-defense. The false doctrine of preemptive strike has led America to regret the actions of George W. Bush.

Sometimes, the only way to stop a bully is to hit back and hit back very hard when that bully hits you. Iran also has the right to defend herself!

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Mahmoud Armadinejad is just the front man for the western opposition (RUSSIA). He has 100% from Russia, North Korea and recently China. Just watch out for the third world war.

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@El razur

#why not speak to your friend devaidylan about throwing insults all about. If you go to read this thread from the begining you would see he is the Chief originator oof insults to this thread and i called his attention to that. I see you feel personal about it when Richy called u a name u dont like,it will be wise to advise your friend in arguements to restrain from insults for us to take you serious on this.

Insults should have no place in debates and i beleive we should all act matured. From today till eternity i shall not support the state of israel until it vates the occupied terrirtories and so will most of u guys ever support Israel so whats the fuss about insults. Lets table our points across and it is a fact we are all guilty of bias towards either Israel or the neighbours of israel so again whats the fuss.

Iran is an independent state and any act of aggression against it by Israel should be met with an ovhelming retaliation to teach those zionist pre emptive strike is gone with the killer George Bush. Obama is wiser and will not authorise pre emptive strike by Israel unless the US wants to fight on 3 front s now ;Iraq, Afghanistan and then Iran.

Hell no!!!

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Who are you to tell me what to do after you have called me a swine? Who are you to tell me what to do after you have swore at me? I haven't attacked you. I have merely showed you up as someone who is too weak to debate without making threats and resulting to childish affairs. Did you not call me ElRufai and ElRasaki, when my name aint even that?

If you do not want me to say your opinion are riddled with ignorance, perhaps you should present it in a manner that suggest that you are not ignorant.

Richayblack, I lost all respect for you, because you are the one doing all the ad homen. This is a classic case of a log in your eye and you are trying to remove a non-existent speck in mine.

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You're not debating yourself . . . just shouting and making defenceless claims.

Like copying another long meaningless website article that you dont understand?

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Let me tell you something, I'm only telling you to stop resorting to ad hominems because I don't want this thread to spiral into nothingness. Why can't you take my advice and desist from ad hominems?

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If you don't to be called as one. Perhaps you should demonstrate this in your post? Ignorance is defined as the state of not knowing. Your post have showed you do not know some stuff and you refuse to take this on board. How is this ad homen in anyway? I have present my case based on logic, common sense and fact, but you just think what ever you says goes.

If you ban me, what does it give you? It shows that you are more or less a weak person to everyone reading. What makes you think I wont come back and carry on?

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Of course Sudan is a rogue state. See how they've allowed their citizens to be murdered.

However, Israel is also a rogue state.

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You conveniently forgot Sudan? Yeah that paragon of democracy and the rule of law is certainly better than Israel were 20% of its population is Arab.

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this is disgraceful double-speak. It seems the term "disproportionate" is reserved for Israel alone . . . suppose Israel bombed only the Natanz facility in Iran killing only 2 guards . . . would the appropriate Iranian response (according to you) be for them to just kill 2 guards too?

If HAMAS had the weapons Israel had . . . the jews would long have ceased to exist. Reading stuff like this from you makes me question whether we still have sane people on the planet.

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Israel has the right to retaliate. Why not?

I have only criticized Israel on the issue of retaliation when its retaliation is disproportional. For example, three Israeli soldiers are killed and then Israel responds with one-tonne bombs, F-16s, level 10, 000 buildings and kill 1,500 people. That is clearly a disproportional response!

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So, I'm ignorant because I believe Israel to be a rogue state?

Okay, is there any nation that can be called a rogue state?

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Oh please. Now you are playing the victim. Get a grip.

Calling you ignorant is not an insult.  Here is an explanation if you really do not understand

So I still maintain that you really are ignorant. If you ain't, you wont result to making real insult [Calling me a swine is an insult, just in case you are ignorant of this too.]

This debate was doing fine until you came in here making claims you cannot defend when challenged. And this is you wanting a "Healthy debate", Do you even know what that means? Jeez.

For the record, simply because I disagree with some of your ignorant views do not make me pro Israel.

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you're no different. I notice you have cleverly skipped EVERY important point as regards this issue rather prefering to pontificate on your own flawed opinions. Why is "retaliation" the exclusive preserve of muslim nations? (tayo D asked you that and all you sent in response was to insult him).

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I know I'm not a fan of Israel because of her policies, but why is it that supporters of Israel like to resort to ad hominems when someone upsets their delicate world-view on the infallibility of Israel?

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@Richy,

At this time, you should be able to know when I am kidding around. Na today me and you dey debate for nairaland? What are you so uptight about? Chill out.Okay.

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When has Iran ever attacked Israel?

Just because Western propaganda machines deliberately misinterpret Ahmadinejad's statements doesn't mean those interpretations are true.

Israel has no legal justification to carry out any form of military strike against Iran. [/b]And if they do, Iran must and should retaliate! Simple!

On the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, don't misinterpret my position. I've never said that Israel cannot retaliate, however, such retaliation should be proportional. Israel is much more powerful than Palestine, so what do you expect from me?

Israel is still more powerful than Iran, militarily, however, an Iranian response to an Israeli first strike would be much more damaging to Israel than a Palestinian reprisal.

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Israel, that rogue state, must learn from it's big brother America. America exercised restraint for over four decades in not carrying out a first strike against the Soviets. That ensured some level of peace and kept the hooligans/neocons at bay far from the White House. The fear of a Soviet retaliatory strike was real and unambiguous.

This is the lesson the hawks in Israel must learn. If they strike Iran, Iran must retaliate to send the right message to the bully of the middle-east.

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@Richy,

I wonder who is the agressor btw the nation which considers another illegitimate and has actively called for its destruction in words and deeds; and a nation who takes such words seriously and is preparing to tackle the threat before it reaches an existential dimension.  Again, I give it to your logic if you conslude that Isreal is thew aggrssor here.

On the other hand, it is so typical of you to say Iran should strike back if hit by Isreal, but everytime Isreal strikes back when hit by IUran cronies, you cry blue murder.  So as far as you are concerned, retaliation is only the exclusive preserve of your muslim friends. Ride on brother, ride on.

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You are really daft to be honest. Just because you claim Israel is a rogue state do not make it one.

Your word usage and understanding are very poor. I once again urge you to look up words and phrase before you use them.

Since you lack the knowledge to debate, talk less of debating objectively. Here is a bit of knowledge for you.

There you go. Now that you know the basic meaning of a Rogue state, can you tell me how Israel fits into this? Or you just gonna engage your "naija mentality" and carry on been ignorant?

Iran fits in more to those definitions than any nation I can think off right now.

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Your idiotic opinion. Who cares what you think? Israel is a rogue state, period!

See for more info: MPP calls Israel Rogue State

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That's not true. We do not agree on Israel because you have a positive bias for Israel and a negative bias towards the Iranians.

I look at the issue objectively. George W. Bush brought to fore the barbaric concept of "preemptive strike", and Israel wants to use it as a justification to hit Iran. This concept has been discredited and the Israelis should know better.

We must learn to give nations, even those we may not agree with on every issue, the benefit of the doubt, particularly on matters relating to military strikes and invasion.

Saddam said it countless times that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, but just because some Western nations find it hard to trust Muslim nations, they allowed their inferior emotion override their better judgment and went ahead to invade Iraq under the false claim that Saddam had weapons of mas destruction.

Today, Ahmadinejad is saying something similar: "we are not developing nuclear weapons", and again some Western nations are allowing their brains to be overridden by the emotion of "we can't trust the man who wants to wipe Israel off the map".

Saner minds in Israel should talk to the extremist in the Knesset and make them realize that the path they're trying to tread has been explored by Uncle Sam. Today, we all know how Uncle Sam feels about those mistakes. 

If that Class A slowpoke wallowing in Texas had listened to sane people instead fraternizing with psychotic murderers in suit, he would have avoided making the mistakes that has scarred the Republican Party.

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It sucks when people cannot debate freely without emotions or preconceived idea. It is become a very common thing around here for people to just barge in to a thread and post for the sake of it. What happened to approaching a debate with a logical mind, common sense and weighing the facts?

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El, its easy to figure out who to ignore . . . and let stew in their own cauldron of bias and deceit.

Yeah . . . so Iran approached North Korea and Pakistan for "peaceful" nuclear power? Those 2 countries dont even have nuclear power reactors themselves. Sometimes you just wonder if people have a brain.

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purchasing equipment from pakistan is not exactly a smart way to start a peaceful program. not allowing nuclear inspectors in doesn't help either.

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If Israel, a well known aggressor-state, strikes Iran, I expect the Iranians to strike back! This sense of entitlement by a few nations, as regards development, must be stopped.

Iran has made it clear that her nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, hence their is no reason to bomb Iran. Any so-called intelligence that shows that Iran is developing nuclear weapons must be corroborated with other sources and tabled at the UN.

Unilateral actions by rogue states in the middle-east, e.g. Israel, must not be given any legitimacy by being tolerated.

Iran must start drawing up plans for a retaliatory strike against Israel if the Zionist State is still living in the limbo of "we can do anything to any nation"!

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Was a member of the IDF until 1972 and is known to be one of the few brave Israeli leaders opposed to a palestinian state beside Israel or giving up any part of Jerusalem.

Watch the heroic walkout on Ahmedinejad . . .

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Note the massive cheers the walkout generated.

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Lagosboy, i took my quote directly from an IAEA report made in 2004 . . . you took yours from Tehrantimes . . . nuff said!

Israel is doing just that. I believe Israel will strike Iran very soon during the regime of Netanyahu . . . the rest of the world better be prepared for a vicious Israel this time around.

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I have asked myself not to involve in arguements where a party cannot put across a point without insults and name calling. I wish i could continue this with you but i dont think i qould like to go further.

Before i go though just to let you know the UN security council ordered not the UN. Even at that the order wasnt based on the fact that it was illegal rather it was based on non compliance with inspection.

Pleas no single commentator has ever said the nuclear program of iran is illegal.

here is El baradai's comment in december 2008

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=184534

You could say its from a tehran paper but a single google search would reveal this comment to you.

Nuclear weapon is what could be termed illegal according to the security council but a nuclear program is certainly not illegal according to international law.

Iran was asked to suspend its program because it did not comply with inspection dats all David.

Please understand that legal and illegal is not a subject of emotions or sentiments neither is it based on pre-emptive analysis rather it is based on facts of the present and not what they could do with it in future.

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