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Obama's Healthcare Reform - Fair Or Foul?

I have been waiting for one of NL's resident political analysts to start this hot topic.

Since this bill is not available anywhere for regular citizens to view, we have to rely on what the "experts" tell us, and everything I have heard about this bill has been bad. If Obama's own people - democrats - are even voicing their opposition louder and louder, it seems to speak volumes about the problems with this bill.

  Another thing that disturbs me is Obama always seems to be in a hurry to pass things, instead of allowing scrutiny and in-depth analysis & modifications to be made - from both sides - in order to produce the best possible bill. So my fellow american citizens, residents, adherents, concerned foreigners - what are your thoughts on the issue?

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@Post,

Government run healthcare system is best where the government is not simultaneously funding alternative options that are in direct competition with one another. US Governmen is currently subsidising private healthcare system in America and it is planning to float a competitive alterative. . . its just a planned disaster, thats all it is. It would be different if the private option is totally funded on the capital market. . .then the Government coul argue that its option will save cost. People that will go on the government option will be turned into a milking cow. . .Doctors will be eager to perform surgeries at the least possible step for a solution because doing so brings in more money to their pocket and this reality will surge the cost of medical care because insurer's will then raise cost of coverage for malpractice litigation. If the cost go up on the public option then private providers, even though their cost of operation remains flat, will be incensed to increase premiums so to compete at market prices. At the end of the day, public or not, it will result in graded care offerings and if you cannot afford high premiums you end with a basic care that is shittier than the shittiest of what is available today under private systems.

Lagos had a robust universal healthcare at one time. You have a healthcard that you take to one of the community health centers around the metro - Massey street Health Center, Oke Arin Health Center, Yaba Heath Center, Surulere Health Center, etc, - they have the General Helath care and the Pharmacies under one roof. For special care - Ob/Gyn, Orthopaedic, Radiation Therapy - they refer you to a specialist. Then you also have the General Hospital at Odan. All the costs were covered by the Lagos State Government for all residents. As population swelled it became difficult to fund and manage but what really sunk them was the fact that Lagos University Teaching Hospital became a direct competition. Government Doctors with years of hands on experience in public health system were readily recruited and paid far more under secured research grants at LUTH than universal helathcare operated by government. From LUTH a bunch of them subsequently found fame and success and emigrated. Many of them ended up in Ibadan as well.

I pointed out this scenario to highlight the dangers of a government funded project competing and suffocating its alternative. True, the picture they are painting now is rosy and sound good but you only need to check track record of how big government always unfailingly screw itself when it comes to options between privatization and nationalization.

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We spent the last quarter of last year listening to lamentations from sympathisers of the "Too Big To Fail" Bank Club. Any prediction for what to expect this winter?

I think we will hear from sympathisers of Universal Healthcare that their idea is "Too Big To Fail". Harley Davidson of USA might show up on the list as well.

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I would like to ask why the presidents before him failed in correcting the very same situation. Did this same racial issue exist back then, considering you seem to make it a part of this particular case but I wonder if you are willing to be fair and apply the same to other failed attempts by past presidents to change the health care landscape in a similar, if not the same way?

People (whites, blacks, Hispanics) have felt this way about taxes and healthcare in America for the longest. Why exactly is it suddenly about race?

Come on!!! Must you own an Iphone? Please stop trying to compare applies with guavas, yes, I mean guavas! Lol

Oh!!! So, you are not even in line with getting it for those who CAN’T afford it, but for those who can? Great!

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The exact same happened during Bush's terms in office. -- No concrete agreements reached and most of Bush's ideas were scrapped. His plans were not same as Obama's but he had plans for HealthCare reform and tried to get them all passed as well. I am guessing this issue was not popular enough back then for you to have taken notice, huh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/opinion/03sat1.html

Look, the point I am trying to get you to see is that this is not the first administration to try its own style of REFORM on the HealthCare System. Past Administrations, regardless of what group was majority in house and senate, had similar battles to deal with, and that is why the situation remains as it is today.

Bush had 8 long years and the republicans were majority in the house. That did not help him at all. Obama has only been in office less than a year, and the democrats currently have both the house and senate. A naïve mind would assume that means Obama will get a free ride all the way but that, as we can see is not the case. Instead of coming up with ridiculous and non realistic ways of the explaining away the opposition this bill is currently facing, it would make more sense if people on here actually took time to consider the various reasons put forth and why they have so far been able to hold back the reform for this long.

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The debate taking place right now indicates that Obama is considered by the broad majority of Republicans as being strongly ANTI-AMERICAN. His policies are also considered anti american and anything he does is projected racially. To assume there is no racial undertone to this is to assume in error. Nobody like the current tax system, its awful, a further increase in tax would be a disaster but then again losing your health insurance when you need it the most is a lot worse than the tax situation.

Its not compulsory that you move to the single payer option but competition is always very healthy. If any other company provided the iphone 'cept at&t i would probably have better options but no we dont.

Truth be told health insurance today is expensive and with the understanding that these costs will double in less than nine years is less than encouraging. we need the reform not for those who cant afford it but for those who can,

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@Kobojunkie

I have one question for all your "civilized grammar".

If Bush was still the president, would all this foot dragging on the health bill be taking place?

Apply small common sense in your replies abeg!

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Americans are not civilised at all

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It is unfortunate that even after the elections, some folks still think objections of any sort to Obama's plans are race motivated. I am not against the democrats myself but I think this is just a continuation of the nonsense from the elections.

It used to be valid to state that americans do not like tax increases of any kind and I remember people being furious about their children being laden with more bills to pay when the first bailout was suggested. Many bailouts later, people are still furious, and they know Healthcare is going to be more debt on top of what we already carry. Not sure when it all became about race and nothing else. I know for sure that even some black people ( if not the majority) do not want to have to pay more taxes.

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these are no "facts" . . . why?

a. Are they also complaining of "footing the bill for those who choose not to work" when they pay into medicare and social security? why havent they asked for that to be repealed? Are they aware that they already pay for those who choose not to work (in their ever increasing health premiums) and that its called the ER?

b) Are they aware that the Iraq war (that they enthusiastically supported) is now over $1trillion? That the proposed healthcare bill is far less than that? That their insurance premiums are going up anyway? That this bill is designed to reduce healthcare costs?

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I disagree! This has little to do with race, in my opinion, but more to do with the fact that

a) People are still weary of having to foot the bill for those who CHOOSE not to work

b) People wonder how much this will, in addition to other things, cost them in the future. I mean we are still talking of the same Americans who hate tax increases and vote against them more times than not

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Its been available for eons, i've seen it.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

Most of what you've heard about the bill has been "bad" primarily because most of it has been lies.

i.e. - no one will force you on the government option

- private insurers will not be forced out

- there is no death panel there.

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Hit the nail on the head quite brilliantly, your post more than sums up the REAL PROBLEM with the healthcare bill. Its not being "rushed", he debated this at length well before the elections and this was the ONLY difference between himself and Hillary Clinton as regards policy during the democratic primaries.

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I will have to agree with mcccloud on this. this is reform that is well over 60 years too late. This is something i am sure the republicans do not want the black man to take credit for bringing change to the american health care system. The bill is expensive and is going to take some hardhits but its probably the best that can happen to reduce the cost of healthcare- even if the reform is implemented today it is too late. much too late.

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Actually, there is nothing "rushed" about this bill.Matter of fact, it is one of the most over flogged issues concerning the welfare of U.S citizens.If Bush were still in power, that bill would have been pushed long ago.This thing has been dragging and dragging for ages.I guess it all boils down to people being scared of huge decisions being made by a black president.Everything that's been done is to frustrate him from being re-elected.

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