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Why Is Obama Refered To As A Black Man When He Is 50% Of Both Races?

Why is Mr Obama referred to as a black man, when he is 50% black and 50% white?

Please i need answers, I dont need assumptions or stories.

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For a long time in America, if any black heritage could be discerned you were considered black. President Obama is black first, because he himself identifies as a black man, second traditionally whites in America would never see someone like him as white. If he attempted to say he was white he would be laughed at and people would think he had some mental disorder. Finally, there would be no doubt as to Obama's race if he worked at a gas station or a departmentstore. The vast majority of white people would view him as black, and wouldn't even think to ask if he had a white parent. The only reason white people are intent on on stressing that Obama is 50% white is because he is the President of the United States. It bothers alot of them on some level. They feel surrounded

Many whites have now opened this debate on race to be devisive. Biracial and multiracial people are growing by leaps and bounds in the U.S. and traditionally those mixed with Black are considered Black. Whites want to turn this country into another Brazil, where the vast majority of people have some African ancestory, but do everything they can to distance themselves from it. For instance if you're light skinned with light eyes there is a name for your group. You can remove yourself from the "Negro" group. If you're dark skinned with straight hair and certain facial features you can count yourself as another group and remove yourself from being "Negro". Some say here are over 150 different sub groupings of people with degrees of African ancestry in Brazil.

Because the people of African ancestry in Brazil allow White people to divide them in this way the Blacks of Brazil have almost no political power. Black elected officials are almost non-existent, and that's sad seeing how Brazil is second ONLY to the CONTINENT of AFRICA, in the number of Blacks that live there. Did you know that for the longest time Blacks could not migrate to Brazil and get citizenship. ONLY WHITE COULD DO THAT. The hope was that in 70 years they could breed out Black people. THE BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENT IS ACTIVELY WORKING ON MAKING BLACK PEOPLE DISAPPEAR!!! THE only way a black person can get citizenship in Brazil is through and act of CONGRESS, Literally, THIS IS NO JOKE.

Whereas white immigrants in Brazil are welcomed in with open arms. As recently as 1988 an advisor to the Sao Paulo governor,Paulo Maluf, proposed a national birth control campaign aimed at Blacks, people of mixed blood (mulattoes and the vast majority of the 150 sub groupings of people of African ancestry) and Indians to prevent them from becoming a majority. This plan was not being discussed in the 1800's, but in 1988. There are claims that 20 million Black Brazilian women have been sterilized. This should show the mixed peoples of Brazil that compliance with the white man's racial categorizations DOES NOT bring them any closer to the white man's good graces. These people should identify and Black and gain some political power which will at some point translate into economic power.

Recently, Brazilians are starting up movements that encourage people with ANY African ancestry to register as black, so they can have more polititcal power. But there are still people of AFRICAN ancestry that hate to be labeled as "negro" so they cling to their subdivision of race hoping to distance themselves from their African ancestry and eventually be deemed "white." It's really sad.

Blacks in the U.S only make up 13% of the population and yet they have achieved far more than their majority black neighbors in the Brazil. And they have done that through unity. There is strength in numbers. Black Brazilians could very well take over Brazil if they would classify themselves as "negro", but they won't because they are playing the white man's game to their detriment. I will admit that the one drop rule was a way for whites to add numbers to their slave holdings, but it backfired on them. Black Americans now hold fast to the rule because of the political power it affords them.

Now white Americans have started up this discussion of " 50% Black means you're not Black." Some Biracials are being tempted by it. But the truth is they will never be FULLY accepted by whites. This carrot being dangled under their nose to identify as "other" is a trick. They want to turn America into another Brazil. Who knows, maybe someday in the near future Africans will have to petition the American Congress for entrance into the U.S.? I wonder what the answer will be? (sarcasm) I hope this anwers your question.

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Did i ever say the pencil test is identical to the one drop rule? You were the one who brought up the pencil test thing, dude.

Also, seems you didn't see this part of your article:

The pencil test was one method, out of many, that the Apartheid regime used. Go and read up on Apartheid. I have. And i am 100% certain that the regime did practise a method identical with the one drop rule. The Nazis did too.

coloreds is not a derogatory term in SA. The government decided that it makes more sense to identify a certain group of people more specifically (since the business of government must go on) since they are mixed. Neither White nor Black. An acceptable word was coined to distinguish them. That is perfectly OK. Rational.

You already said it yourself, they are mixed

In the way you are saying it.

extreme mai nene?

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Must we be subject to every whim of the 'whites'?

I understand the feeling of mixed kids but then again, many of them look down on African/Africans. The fact as well that they are accepted asblack kids (which they rightfully are) does not mean that they are not white as well.

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I guess the problem would be whites not being willing to accept all blacks with white heritage as being black. The blacks with white blood are very proud of the african heritage they have and have no desire to be looked at as a percentage of anything. So they feel better identifying themselves as 100% of something that they know will fully embrace them and that is the black race.

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2tait,

I guess it was easy for nigeria to have a black president, after all it is a black country where blacks are the majority, so of course in countries such as these elected officials in high positions will be black. The USA is a different story because the country is a white country with blacks being the minority so to achieve presidency in a white country is a big deal.

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To the original poster. You asked why he is considered black when he is mixed. Well, in America, this idea or notion was followed because of the one drop rule which was implemented by white people. As long as you had one drop of black blood in you , you were automatically considered black. This rule may have officially came off of the law, but it is still something that whites use to determine who is black or not. Obama clearly chooses to identify himself as black so if that is what he wants to be, who are we to say otherwise. And to the poster that say why can't he be considered white if he has one drop of white as well, that would then create a problem, because almost all of black America and those in the caribbean will also be considered white because they all have a touch of white blood in them. So I guess the line has to be drawn somewhere.

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Obama is a haf-caste. He has african roots.

However, his being the first blackman to win USA presidential election is no big deal.

Black President? A feat Nigeria has achieved since 1960. Nigeriais ahead of the USA.

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tpia,

I am not saying Obama is not Black. I am saying he is also white. He is as much Black as he is white because he is 50/50. If anyone can refer to Obama as black, they should have no problem if he is also referred to as white.

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@Tpia

What we are saying is that the rule is silly. It's illogical. If one drop of Black blood makes you Black, what does one drop of White blood make you? It's a racist rule. Apartheid thrived on an identical rule.

You say the rule produced America's first Black President, but the person in question does not regard himself as either White or Black. And I agree with him. Do you call the colour grey,  black because you could get it by mixing white and black colours?

p.s. And what's bad about a 100% Negro going for the White House? You say it like it's a bad thing.

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all of you are goats in sheeps clothings, cows in dog's shoes and chickens in rats headgear.

The question remains un answered.

White father - black mother = black

black father - white mother = black.

Why?

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@poster

u got a goat brain

this thread is such a joke!

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Or maybe YOU'VE forgotten that this thread is about Obama and why HE is referred to as being black thus the discussion of the AMERICAN 1 drop rule

Nigeria has nothing to do with this discussion.

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I take it you meant NATIONALITIES.

Anyway, look at my posts and check who's going off tangent here

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all of you are goats in sheeps clothings, cows in dog's shoes and chickens in rats headgear.

The question remains un answered.

White father - black mother = black

black father - white mother = black.

Why?

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@Gamine

I was asking if the views of the white people always have to be right. So if they call MIXED people black, it has to be right?

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nigerians and their crude beliefs.

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@Gamine

I don't really understand. Of course, every Black should be All Black. Anything Mixed is just that. MIXED.

But what does the second statement mean?

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Um where did Nigeria come from in this discussion?

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you are so silly that it is amazing

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all of you are goats in sheeps clothings, cows in dog's shoes and chickens in rats headgear.

The question remains un answered.

White father - black mother = black

black father - white mother = black.

Why?

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@gamine,

does that necessarily make them right?

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Thanks everyone. I think the opinions in the last hour or two are agreed that a mixed child is just that - MIXED.

@karma,

Is every nigerian bound by forms being filled in America? Let's discuss it in light of what is right or wrong. not necessarily what the racist American system dictates

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yeah,

but in their minds, Any Black is All Black.

So the TRUE WHITE should not mix with ANYOTHER RACE

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Who is this 102 year old cockrel?

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Mr. Foulmouth, did you read through the posts at all? It's all because of the one-drop rule. And we have all agreed that it's a silly rule. What other answer are you looking for?

You don't really have to insult everyone here to be able to get answers.

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all of you are goats in sheeps clothings, cows in dog's shoes and chickens in rats headgear.

The question remains un answered.

White father - black mother = black

black father - white mother = black.

Why?

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Lol tell that to the forms

Never seen "biracial" on a govt form before.

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I don't accept the one-drop rule. At all. Must have been thought up by a slowpoke.

Halle Berry, Lewis Hamilton, Alicia Keys, those Nkrumahs on the preceding pages (to this), and Barack Obama are neither White nor Black in my book. They are Mulattos.

A black man is 100% black. A whiteman is 100% white. Any percentage in-between is just that. IN-BETWEEN. Neither one nor the other. Simple.

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if anyone is able to determine reasonably what defines a black man, it will be easy to classify Obama.

I cant accept the racist one drop rule. If I do, we should just accept every other racist notions of white people.

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these goats doesnt still have answers - they are just bleeting meee meee meeee all over da place.

A white father and a black mother = black

A black father and a white mother = black

whick kain biology be that?

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This is What some White people have to say about Obama's Heritage

One, He may be 50% white and 50% black, but they know black genes are physically dominant

so Obama is more 75% black and 25% white.

Two, His mother is really a Jew, and the True White doesnt mix with a Jew.

Three, Obama is just a stinking mullatto and he has chosen what side he prefers, black

by marrying that jungle monkey baby.

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that picture of Obama's family is so cute. Who cares if he's black, he's God sent! Am glad he won, he deserves it. But this kin thing no fit happen for 9ja jo. No outsider go fit win Nigerian President election. if e no dey PDP, e no fit win. 9ja pple no go ever learn to do things the right way haba!

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Well he is black because of his dad and also using the term 'mixed race' is now seen as a derogatory term but there is no other word that is better to use for now. However, it is justed that mixed race people should be identified for example, a child who is scottish and Jamaican mixed, the child should be introduced as Child B is a scottish heirtage and and a jamaican heritage, mum is scottish and dad is Jamaican, People will want to know more about the child's /the person's identity. That is the way OBAMA was seen and he is still seen but as we know that the media influneces us and the way our society is, if you are born by a black man and you look like a black person, you are considered black.

No need to argue this issue, as someone suggested, how come nobody said anything about Alicia Keys, Hally Berry and the new Formula 1 champion -Lewis Hamilton.

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i want mixed race people to be what they are. mixed race. is mariah careh black??

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You are a perfect example of age is not wisdom - the other fools that have tried to answer the question are like three times your age, but in their foolishness, they havent seen my question, they have taken their manliness or womanliness in hand while attempting to answer the question.

Some say its because his Dad is black, hence they call him black, i ask them, what of people with white fathers, and they are still referred to as black, then, they have no answer to that - they scratch their butt hole and sniff it as if they can find answers in the sniffing - fools.

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KarmaMod is right in saying that once you have a pint of black blood in you, you're considered black in America but is that still so? That was back in the segregation days and I believe that was ruled out along with the 'Separate but equal' act.

To answer the poster's question, personally, I think it's due to the whole male superiority belief blacks especially Africans have. For example, Africans believe a child is from wherever its father is from. That's just crap because the male gene is not always dominant in a child. A child inherits 23 chromosomes from each parents at birth. I still don't get why a mixed race child is called black especially if the father is the black one instead of being recognized as mixed.

Obama being recognized as black has nothing to do with white racism. If not, he would never have gotten a quarter of the votes he got from whites - they also recognize him as one of theirs. Obama being black is a mentality established by black people, I guess it stems from the slavery thing. They kind of accepted the white man's idea that once u have a tiny blood of black, you're black even though that mentality has long been abolished.

To me, Obama ain't no black. He is African-American though, in the sense that his father is African and his mother is American. That makes him an African-American but then again, it depends on the way u see the term, African-American.

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@ poster

ashawe like u. do u know ryan gigs of man-u got 35% black gene yet he still white i guess, surprise he dnt talk about it

so wat next F1 fixed yea?

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now i can see there are more fools on NairaLand.

The question still remains un answered - Mr Tipia - why cant they be called white if they are 50 50?

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no, a child doesnt normally claim his mother's hometown unless there's more to it, in a place like Nigeria.

and what you're calling Negroid features, arent common to all negroes. There are negroes with dark skin and European/Semitic features- check out Senegalese, Malian, and some Fulani (not only the Nigerian ones).   Likewise, not all biracials are very light skinned: some are also dark.

And there are light skinned blacks who don't have overly "negroid" features. The problem is at least in the western world, when blacks have light features, they can trace it to some white ancestry. But for many Africans with the same skin type and features, they have no way of tracking their own.

Not all blacks have thick lips, flat nose and broad faces, though many do.

We're still at an impasse here. You want mixed race people to be white instead of black, and I'm asking how is that possible.

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this is a gay thread!

gay section!

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www.diversityinc.com/public/1461.cfm

Read the facts here

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Obama is black alright but do you know he actually isnt the first black president?Thomas jefferson,Abraham lincoln and 3 other ex-american presidents had black blood in their veins.Obama is only being called the first black president because he is the first black president to acknowledge his black ancestry and he has a dark skin.Abraham lincolns skin was also kinda black but he did not openly acknowledge their black heritage.

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who says the child can't claim his mother's hometown? of course he/she PERSONALLY can but society would see the person in a different manner. in swahili, akan societies. a child's lineage is traced from the mothers side. it's worrisome why people find it hard to see obama as mixed.

how does someone with negroid features(kinda generalizing) look "white". i doubt most of the yellow popo's in nigeria would pass for europeans. you can't call yourself white if you can't trace your european ancestry.

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wow! this forum has a very vast resources, naija is blessed, all thanks to nairaland

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gamine ur attention is needed here pls: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-192035.0.html#msg3043171

very urgent

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I believe the Correct thing to say

Obama is AFRICAN AMERICAN

infact, he is the perfect african american

Saying he is Black, is what i dont really agree to.

But in The USA, African American=Black

then Obama is Black.

Charlize Theron is African American sha, but err.,,,,,,

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