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Why Is The Us Military Occupying Four Airports In Haiti?

The United States is now operating at four airports to ferry aid and relief supplies to quake-devastated Haiti, a senior US military commander said Thursday.

In addition to the Caribbean nation’s main port of entry, Port-au-Prince airport, US forces were also now at work at airports in the coastal city of Jacmel.

They were also operating in the neighboring Dominican Republic at San Isidro and Barahona, US Southern Command chief General Douglas Fraser said.

Around 11,000 US military personnel are currently controlling the operations both on the ground and offshore aboard US Navy and Coast Guard vessels, and another 4,000 US troops are expected to arrive in the coming days.

The Americans’ controlling of the aid operations has raised tensions with some countries. Bolivia and Venezuela have criticized its heavy presence and France earlier expressed annoyance after aid planes were delayed from landing.

French Secretary of State for Cooperation Alain Joyandet called on the United Nations to clarify the US role in Haiti, saying the priority was “helping Haiti, not occupying Haiti.”

Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders) has complained that five of its planes carrying a total of 85 tons of medical and relief supplies have been diverted from Port-au-Prince to the Dominican Republic since January 14, although one of its planes was allowed to land this week.

On Thursday, the Haitian president said that “Haiti is not under guardianship” of other countries as they help nurse and feed the victims of last week’s huge quake.

Also, Haiti’s Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive told RTL radio in Port-au-Prince: “The Americans are here at our request, they are here purely to help us with our humanitarian and security needs.”

However, many commentators see in that US is not welcomed in Haiti. They confirm that US seeks to re-occupy Haiti. The U.S. occupied Haiti until 1934.

American troops returned in 1994, and now, the US Marines are back in Haiti for the same mission but under a different title: to support Haiti relief.

Phyllis Bennis said in Huffington post that “the reality is, on the ground, U.S. military forces take charge, as the United Nations is pushed aside.”

Rescue Efforts

Search teams in Haiti on Thursday refused to abandon hope of finding more survivors of the quake after two children were pulled alive from the rubble in 24 hours.

More than eight days after the devastating tremor, which killed at least 75,000 and left a million homeless, rescuers said they could not rule out the possibility of some victims still being alive under the debris.

And they said the powerful 6.1 aftershock that shook Haiti on Wednesday could have dislodged masonry giving fresh opportunities to free any last remaining survivors.

“The aftershock could have made the structures subside, but it might have also freed people trapped between two pieces of concrete,” said French firefighter Gilles Perroux.

As the focus of aid efforts turned to the vast task of providing food, water, medicine and shelter to an increasingly desperate population, rescuers said chances of survival were slim but not impossible.

Also on Thursday, Haiti officials said they were relocating thousands of homeless earthquake victims to hastily erected villages designed to each hold at least 10,000 people.

“The government has made available to people free transportation. A large operation is taking place: we’re in the process of relocating homeless people,” said Haitian Interior Minister Paul Antoine Bien-Aime.

Officials said the government was paying for at least 34 buses to take victims to the south and north of the country from the capital Port-au-Prince, which was largely destroyed in a 7.0-magnitude earthquake.

http://www.infowars.com/why-is-the-us-military-occupying-four-airports-in-haiti/

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It is a public forum. Learn to stop getting personal, especially when your arguments are running out of steam. It is not rocket science you see.

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which part of American Constitution prohibits citizens from holding such beliefs if they so choose to?

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Once more.

Lets stay away from each others' posts.

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See what I mean by engaging brain and debate logically?

What is the above have to do with anything?

Do you know what Irony means? If you are quick to call people who disagree with you kids, but then result to childish comments, how is that justified? The joke is on you.

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I meant you were manufactured in a laboratory somewhere in Alaska.

Of course from A human.

Am i close ?

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I thought we agreed on something about you and i living with our various ideologies ?

I dont remember what US did bad to me personally that will warrant a hatred for them and their products.

I am a Catholic, therefore i am not a religious extremist or fanatic.

I am Ibo, So i am not a Muslim and i have no premeditated reason to hate the US.

You and the other clones can agree with everything America comes up with but

Obama and I disagree on some of them.

I havent referenced to any of your post since then and i suggest you do the same. agreed ?

And oh, i got personal because sometimes it is not wise to be arguing with a kid.

@blacksta, You haven't responded to my last post.

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Why are you quick to get personal? Why don't just call me whatever you want to call him instead of patronizing him. He already gave an explanation, yet you prefer to be condescending towards him. As the American will say: What gives?

Blackstar is more than capable of holding down his own views, but jeez let us be grown ups when discussing ideas please.

From the post a few individuals like yourself, it is clear to see how you falls into the Anti-american bandwagon. For example, most of your points towards america are not based on facts, but personal view, anecdotal evidence and emotional outburst. Give me a break please.

Debating is not for everybody, if you cannot be civil, then no point coming here to post, and no I am not trying to censor you. I am just trying to say people like me will pick up on these things and you may not like it.

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Do you agree with everything American ?

Because the current president doesn't agree with Iraqi War.

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An anti American in it entirety does mean you hate everything American but rather to the opposition of American policies most probably on foreign land

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Lol negro you beat me to it.

I was gonna ask him the same thing.

Apparently someone who dont like American movies is Anti America to him.

Someone who agrees with some of America's Foreign Policies and Disagrees With Some is Anti America.

If you dont want to be an anti-America, You just have to agree to everything American.

Thats the only way out of Anti-Amerian List. GOAT.

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blacksta, define "anti-America".

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Are u sure _ dont u think these anti American people are brainwashed by their Hollywood fantasies

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here are the dots. . .

1. the struggles of Haiti is not isolated from the struggles of blacks in America.

2. every black neighborhood in America is a "little Haiti" . . .so to speak.

3. the Haitian revolution against France was a model and the precursor to many such struggles to later follow in black America.

4. Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Black Panther, SNCC. . .etc. Each of these entities represented a marker in the journey of black American social struggle and fight for equality.

5. their struggles of 50yrs ago is in no way different from the struggles which we witness today in these neighborhoods - police brutality is as common today as it was then and as it was in the times of J Edgar Hoover and Jim Crow laws with FBI's CONINTELPRO (thanks Cap28), so it is today even with a black President in White House. The strategy of brutal rulership is transformed but the ideology of denying social justice to blacks is still strong and going.

6. American police are indoctrinated to believe that everywhere three or more black males are seeing together. . .sooner than you can imagine crime will occur. . .they must be conspiring to harm somebody or rob someone or do drugs or molest or carjack or kill or. . .on and on, the list is endless!

7. . . .so with Haiti quake, the next day American media was already broadcasting fear about crime. US was sending military and ammo to fight crime and protect people.

8. . . .nothing is changed! everywhere black people congreate. . there is bound to be lawlessness, chaos, disorderlliness. The white mainsream must thus intervene on behalf of the law abiding citizens and save the world from the villain called black man.

this is not about anti-America, if you go through many of my posts you will see how vehemently I defend America when its right to do so. . .this is about truth! The interests of my black people trump that of citizenship. If Haiti is under attack, I am under attack and I may not have a force matching the opponents but I have a damn good stamina to stand ground in a verbal assault and wear and tear my opponent apart.

America is in Haiti for the same reason that FBI infiltrated the hood and destroyed Black Panther. People in the ghettoes were beginning to rely on panther and trust its authority better than they were the government. In domestic disputes and social disturbaance in the hood they wuld call panther instead police. That's called self-sufficiency and self rule! Haiti, inspite of its many shortcomings was disliked for its self-sufficiency a self rule.

For those who know how to connect dots. . .for those facing forward when their teachings was done. . .for those who were educated forward and are forward thinking. . , go ahead and conclude on where the black man struggle stands.

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tayo imperialism is about stronger and more dominant nations occupying weaker nations - america does this mainly by establishing military bases in the countries that they have occupied - in the middle east america has military bases in kuwait, saudi arabia, qatar, bahrain and now iraq therefore it is occupying this region and this is why the arabs are unhappy, furthermore the creation of israel by the UN in 1947  which is  a satellite nation to the US created further unrest and instability in the region.

america currently operates 700 military bases in 130 countries around the world - see the link below for the extent of america's imperial power:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/us-military-expansion-and-intervention.html

im off to bed now but tomorrow ill tell you what china was doing in tibet and vietnam

goodnite

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@Cap28,

Now you've limited imperialism to only occupying of another's land. In which case, I wonder what the problems of the Middle Easterners are that they always talk about America's foreign policy as the reason why they are so antagonistic towards the US.

I will not go into argument about what is going on in Sudan because I no get power to engage in prolonged debate with people who've already made their minds up one way or another, especially when religious sensitivities are involved. But do you seriously overlook China's adventures in Tibet and Vietnam?

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actually primate would be more apt but perhaps not the one you had in mind

im on planet earth which clearly is an alien planet to you - first of all i woudl advise you to read that link that you posted and this time try and understand what its all about, the article refers to various foreign policy positions that china chose to adopt on a range of issues - there is a huge difference between adopting a position on something and actively carrying out a physical invasion of a sovereign state, or providing military asssitance by way of training and arms to counter revolutionary groups in order to further your imperialist objectives. 

name me any country which china has invaded for expansionist purposes, name me any country where china has fomented wars and rebellion in order to further imperialist objectives.

you mention sudan but unfortunately you've got it wrong again, china is in sudan for exactly the same reason america is in nigeria for business - to be precise oil.

unlike america's method of fomenting wars and destabilising regions in order to control the trade in that region   all they want is to engage in trade with the sudanese, the sudanese have chosen to exclude america from this arrangement and the americans are as mad as hell and for that reason they have embarked on a smear campaign against china.  before you shout darfur please go and research this issue and you will find that your beloved america and israel have been funding and arming the militia groups in this region in order  to disrupt the ongoing trade between china and sudan.[quote][/quote]

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@Sam,

What has Biology or Chemistry got to do with the fact that you think a past event is still ongoing? Going to Havard has nothing to do with ignorance of a regional political event.

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What baffles me here is how you and your camp turn to academic attacks even after understanding clearly the points someone is trying to make.

Just like Negro said before, You guys think going to Havard or Stanford makes you a perfect a know-all.

My stand in this topic will begin to clear the cobwebs in your mind as soon as you understand that this is not about Biology or Chemistry or Literature.

It just looks like i am teaching a 10 year old boy.

Lets quit this and let everybody live with his own ideology.

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@Sam,

You don't know what it is to be insecure? No wonder you have not been able to diagnose what your problem is. I suppose your friends here can help you with that.

As to the drivel you wrote above, I will not take upon myself, the responsibility to untwist you from the logjam you got yourself into. Instead of acknowledging you were wrong, you try to look intelligent by writing things you obviosuly know little about.

From declaring that "currently they are proposing", which is in a present continuous tense to now acknowledging that the plan has been canceled by Obama (in past tense) after I revealed the info to you. How many times do you have to be proven wrong?

I talk am before. This thing na bad belle.

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You kept mentioning secure over and over here ? what kind of security exactly are you talking about ?

I dont get it. Let me get you, You have a good job, a good salary, lives in a good house, educated etc. living American Dream.

Is that the security you mean ? If that is exactly what you mean, i can assure you that i passed those levels of life long ago.

I dont call them security since the man next to me doesn't have those privileges.

When are you going to come out of your Ignorance stage of life? That should be the question.

And Yes, America took Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus and co out of Russia. i suggest you do a research about that because a topic related to that will come up someday too.

The Defense shield as Bush Called it was supposed to be built in Czechs and Poland. Great.

How many Kilometers is Poland and Czechs from Russia ?

Russia showed up with a nuclear warhead in Cuba, What did the United States do ?

Russia and Venezuela Practiced Military war game in Venezuela Waters last time and US nearly declared war.

What is your definition of Insecurity ? Me or the US ? Or do you just pull out a word and use it in the middle of a sentence ?

Ok, let me make it a little bit easier for you.

Czechs and Poland are Among the Russian Satellite Countries. Do some research too.

A nuclear warhead mounted in Poland, Czechs, Hungary, Ukraine, Slovakia can easily destroy Moscow.

Why didnt the US propose to do that In Germany Or France ? They chose countries they can easily manipulate to submission.

I suggest you look in the European Map before touching your keyboard again.

BTW why did OBAMA cancel the defense shield plan ? since it was a blessed idea ? because i dont recall Poland pulling out.

, I am curious as to why You mentioned Sudan ? What connection does it have with Tibet ?

A post was made here about people kidnapping children, i didnt see your comment about it.

Just rotating around personality. You are secured. Minister of Security ?

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This this exactly what I fear the most. The Haitians childrens are easy prays for paedophile rings and human organ trafficker. We have to react by posting more informations on the internet about this case. (On forums and social networking sites) We have to protect the Haitians childrens.

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@Sam,

What right has Russia to demand what a country can and cannot do?  Isn't that the hallmark of Imperialism?  Abegi, I have given you too much time already.  You sure have no clue what you are talking about.

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@topic,

You people have turned me into a Prophet, or is it Primate or Alfa (which one is more distinguished?). It's not even been 24 hrs since I made a prediction and see how many people have reared their heads to make my predictions come true. "I have started counting, soon we will see the rest of the horde coming out here to have their cheap shot at the United States. I guess the mere feeling of powerfulness that comes from condemning a powerful nation is too intoxicating for insecure people to ignore. The thing wey bad belle go cause ehn." I am sure we have not seen the last of them.

@cap28,

http://socialistworker.org/2009/06/23/china%E2%80%99s-record-of-imperialism To think that the article did not even menation China's adventure in Sudan!

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these people are US/UK govt agents who provide children to paedophile rings which operate within the US and europe  - dont take my word for it research it - these people are demonic

http://stolenkids-anecdotal.blogspot.com/2009/05/paedophile-rings-how-secret-societies.html

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More Reasons why we must not sleep ,

I am watching it on CNN now. Children are crying that they parents are alive.

That they are not orphans. Kidnappers claim they are Orphans.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35162046/ns/world_news-haiti_earthquake/

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60T23I20100130

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_quake_haiti_arrests

http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/201001/2805987.htm?desktop

http://www.sfexaminer.com/world/americans-arrested-trying-to-take-haitian-orphans-without-papers-into-dominican-republic-83176572.html

Of Course, the Govt Is not aware. Americans are there to help.

Its in the news everywhere because it was the Haiti Authorities that made the arrests not US.

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no i dont think anybody is in the dark.

they need a written note from US on their intentions in Haiti.

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bro unfortunately there are many who remain in the dark -  here's political prisoner abu mumia jamal's current take on the haitian earthquake:

http://queerartist.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/mumia-abu-jamal-on-haiti/

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I saw that video. Dont we all know that before now except some idio.ts who live by the book.

I heard someone here saying that the Haiti President invited USA. i say why not ?

Why wont HAMID KARZAI invite US if there is Earthquake in Afghanistan ?

Aristide won over 85% of peoples vote in Haiti, what happened to him?

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el razur

more info on america's recolonisation of Haiti

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Which account here is particularly new ?

New as in created for this very earthquake case, one problem i discovered wih you here is your ability to dismiss facts because they did not come from you or your propaganda tools.

let me give you a tour of the people who posted here.

Name: cap28

Posts: 228 (1.303 per day)

Position: Active Poster

Date Registered: August 08, 2009, 07:22 PM

Last Active: Today at 03:23:02 PM

apparently he is not a talkative like you. with hundreds of posts a day.

I believe the bolded date was before the Haiti Earthquake.

Name: Negro_Ntns

Posts: 2985 (4.885 per day)

Position: Active Poster

Date Registered: May 29, 2008, 09:16 PM

Last Active: Today at 10:24:39 AM

2008, apparently that was before the earthquake.

Name: Sam Milla

Posts: 6063 (4.858 per day)

Position: Active Poster

Date Registered: August 31, 2006, 07:50 PM

Last Active: Today at 01:07:17 PM

2006, oh, one of them pioneer members.

another member before earthquake. I have been reading many of his posts.

mostly on the jokes section. I was surprised to see him over here.

I was even more surprised that he knows much about US foreign Policy.

Name: Horus

Posts: 2555 (2.452 per day)

Position: Active Poster

Date Registered: March 25, 2007, 10:15 PM

Last Active: Today at 03:29:53 PM

2007,   apparently a member here before you. Right ?

Name: emmatigana

Posts: 25 (0.216 per day)

Position: Active Poster

Date Registered: October 06, 2009, 09:33 PM

Last Active: Today at 03:41:40 PM

and me,  October 2009. that was before the earthquake i guess.unless i knew it was going to happen and created my account for it.

Therefore i dont see any account created for Haiti Earthquake here.

You know Elrazur, there was a place where you said something about who should be allowed to post here something similar to that.

I think You are a communist socialist. You just get things twisted. You call people names because they dont agree with you.

Man grow out of it,

Do you really believe CNN will say anything against the United State ?

If you really need to see the bad things US do, You have to look somewhere, not on US govt media house.

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el razur here is the link again

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jan2010/obha-j30.shtml

- btw whats wrong with looking at news from a socialist perspective - these are people who speak on behalf of the disenfranchised, the marginalised and the underclasses whereas the bbc, cnn fox speak on behalf of big business, powerful lobby groups and corrupt politicians but you prefer to pitch your tent with the latter. 

the corporate news media is biased and censored because these organisations are owned by billionaire business men who have a vested interest in presenting a distorted version of the news - all throughout the years that Haiti has been subjected to military intervention, occupation and economic destruction not one of these corporate news outlets have as much as uttered a word of condemnation against the US, when Aristide was toppled by the US marines in a coup d'etat , every single western media organisation either remained silent or presented a distorted version of what actually happened, the only sites where you could get a true picture of what was going on were independent news outlets or left leaning websites therefore if i want the truth thats where i go. 

there is no way that i am going to read and beleive anything broadcasted by a media corporation which has within its ranks people who are paid up members of the CIA  (NBC, CNN, BBC, FOX) these organisations are sources of disinformation their job is to lie, dupe and mislead the public, i have my own mind and i will not be brainwashed into soaking up their lies and garbage, the way i do things is i read independent articles written by journalists who do not have a vested interest in the corrupt western system of govt and then i go on to do my own research in order to corroborate what i have read - this is known as critical analysis bro.

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i read this thread from the beginning and am glad that we have real guys who also think, people like

sam milla,

Negro,

cap28,

emmatigana,

horus etc

this is is the kind of war i've bn fighting with some brainwashed guys around me, and the funny thing is that most of them hate reading even if u supply them wth a book or material.

kudos guys, kp it rolling

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A socialist website? Are you kidding me? Yet you have accused me of reading from CNN or something and believing everything the UN throws at me or something. Are you now seriously, quoting a piece from a SOCIALIST WEBSITE to back up your claim? I have attended their rallies here in London and listen to a few of their talks. Thanks, but no thank you.

What credible source do you have? I am more than happy counter  most point if not all raised by the socialist piece you posted.

By the way, I can't see your post. It is showing that you are the last person to post, but I had to go and view it in your profile. I think this is because the spam bot think your post is a spam - i,e just copied and pasted.

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It is funny how all these new accounts pop up. Coincidence?

I am not so sure if it is worth engaging with you. Remember, you already labelled a few of us as ignorant. Pardon me if I just let your post go without much challenge. It get tiring to go round in circles.

Before you start harping all sort of verbal dramatics like others, please have a read as to the various threads discussing Haiti, Earthquake and how the US may have been responsible. All of these threads - even though not under the same heading - are basically the same thing. As a result, some points from other threads may be remade or stressed again in subsequent similar thread.

I am all good for asking questions. But jeez, claiming the US just want a military base in Haiti is just plain silly. All the US military bases in the world are as a result of agreement with the host country. Period.  When Nigeria refused Africom, how come the US do not go ahead and have one? Simple common sense will suggest, they weren't given the permission. So claiming the US is setting up a military base in Haiti under the disguise of a Aid is just silly.

For example, most military bases around a national shore or coast will have Super carriers carrying offensive and defensive weapons, with more Armed personnel and electronic warfare, supporting submarines from the Navy etc. Yet, in contrast all that have docked in Haiti's harbour are Ship adapted for Hospital, Logistics, Aids etc. Some of these claims are just absurd to be honest. Furthermore, people are quick to ignore the fact that Haiti people requested the help of the US. Jeez.

If you want to have a valid claim, wait till when the US start conducting "War Games", running Base-like military operation then you may have a point. Besides, there are watchful eyes scrutinizing everything the US is doing. I am pretty much sure that once there is proper evidence to show that the US is building a Military base, then we will all hear about it. Until then people need to get a grip.

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Elrazur, you are looking at the picture from pages of American newspapers.

You systematically based your argument starting from earthquake.

the other party are trying to show you the History of US and Haiti.

Now you dont have to ignore that and look at the figures the US or UN threw at you.

US is UN. UN told bush not to invade Iraq. He did. no sanctions was given because US own UN.

stop searching for the help Haiti need from US, If you keep searching for that, there is no way you will stop coming up with useless figures.

No one here doubted the fact that Haiti need help. Heck , earthquake just devastated  their country.

They need help. Long time help for that matter. US are in the position to render that help.

No one is disputing that but judging by their history with Haiti , wont you ask questions too if you are from Haiti ?

Are you so obsessed with United States that you closed your mind to reasons ?

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By reading somme comments here, I realise that many still dont know the history of Haiti. Americans are just in Haiti to create a military base, they are not here to help, they just pretend to help. We should remember that in 1910, the U.S. State Department-National City Bank of New York (now called Citibank) consortium looted all the gold reserves of the Banque National d'Haïti and its national treasury. Five years later, President Woodrow Wilson ordered American "troops" to occupy Haiti. From 1915 to 1934, the U.S. Marines imposed harsh military occupation, murdered thousands of Haitians patriots and diverted most of Haiti's gross domestic product to U.S. bankers. Haitians were banned from government jobs in their own country. Ambitious Haitians were hunted into the puppet military, setting the stage for a half-century of U.S.-backed military dictatorship. Previous to 1910 Haiti was called in french: Perle des Antilles,(Jewell of the Caribbean) because it was one of the most prosperous place in all of the Americas.

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America is not leaving Haiti. They have always wanted to be there from start.

Lets be positive. Their presence might be good for Haiti. New Infrastructures.

New roads, good drinking water etc.

Then the usual follow up.

trillions of dollars in debt. The same method that crippled their economy. Thats what people are concerned about.

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While at it , i will also drop my credit card number for you.

Yes America is not occupying Haiti.

I have asked a question here about when they will leave which no one answered.

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After going through this thread, i became surprised at the level of Ignorance some people demonstrated.

Tayo D and Elrazur how do you people live everyday with yourselves ? Maybe you are both kids saying their minds.

It is obvious both of you think this is about who love America and who doesn't love America.

It is not. I suggest both of you make out time and read the history behind United States and Latin America.

How most of the Latino Americans came to existence, What US said when Haiti revolted against French.

What Thomas Jefferson wanted to do with Haiti, How US set up proxy Govts sponsored coups over there.

After all that, please return to this thread to see where Your opponents here are coming from.

George Bush couldn't defend his lies to take America to Iraq and so is Tony Blair yet both of you are defending the Invasion of Haiti as if your lives depend on it.

From what i saw here, These people dont hate America, they are just trying to voice their concern about why United States sent too many Military into a tiny island in the name of help. If you think that is normal, Negro and co doesn't think the same thing and i believe they have backed themselves up with many reasons why they think its not normal.

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Thats what you get when you are occupied.

Buddy Your Country belongs to the United States now.

They have 51 states now. Last acquisition : Haiti

The are helping you with aids, so shut up.

watch out for people who need facts and proofs.

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US Soldiers accused of stealing Haitian historical fortune

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I believe you wrote this to make yourself feel OK. To justify the American Invasion and intimidation of other Nations.

Like Cap said, What about China ?

Russians are more interested in punishing their satellite states which America took away through sponsored terrorist bombings.

Chechnya, Georgia, Belarus, Ukraine, ETC.

Currently they are proposing building what they called defense shield in those Countries which of Course Russians said no.

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okay well im happy that you have conceded that the US pursues its own selfish interests, but i will correct you with regard to your point that "this is inbred in every nation and every ideology on our planet" because it is simply not true, if you look at china they are interested in economic development but not imperial hegemony, has china tried to invade or occupy any sovereign nation? have they provided military assistance and training to repressive govts around the world, have they aided and abetted corrupt govts in the looting and plunder of those countries natural resources, have they instituted austerity measures such as SAP (structural adjustment policies) on developing nations in exchange for loans with extortionate interest rates attached?

you see america exhibits features of an imperial nation in the same way britain used to. they are not content with military dominance but they must also assert territorial and ideological dominance and this is the thing that you are missing.  Haiti despite being a mere speck in their portfolio of conquered territories is a much coveted prize which they have for years been hell bent on acquiring it is imperative that you see america for what it is an EMPIRE it knows that militarily it can do this and so with impunity it invades and occupies nations particularly nations which can put up little to no resistance. 

i am confused at your conclusion that Che Guevara is according to you "doing the same thing " as the people that he is railing against - how?  in what sense? what is your interpretation of his world view as set out in this book?

are you familiar with the history of Venezuela? do you know anything about the corruption and inequality which existed under Chavez's predecessor, do you prefer a return to a society where only members of the ruling classes had access to a decent standard of living in venezuela?

You keep talking about facts but again you miss the point - its not about supposed factual data but about looking back at what has happened and piecing together a pattern of behaviour which paints a picture which becomes overwhelmingly difficult to deny. 

do you seriously think that a country as powerful as america will place incriminating evidence in the public domain - if you want factual evidence make a freedom of information application to the US public archives in respect of any of the following matters and lets see how far you get:

the assassination of MLK, JFK, Malcolm X ,Robert Kennedy, John Lennon, john kennedy junior  - you will find that any info surrounding all of these matters is STILL CLASSIFIED until around 2078 - does that not set alarm bells ringing in your ears but despite this the vast majority of americans know that JFK was not assassinated by a lone nut even though the US govt went to great pains to whitewash and coverup how he was killed.  ditto with all of the other abovementioned names. 

no govt on this planet will let you have access to sensitive or incriminating evidence that could precipate their downfall, it is left to you as an individual to do your own independent research and connect the dots okay.

in the uk blair and his cronies are currently being grilled before a similar kangaroo court with regard to the illegal invasion of iraq  - its pure pantomime - nobody will be indicted, but the UK govt will give the impression that they are a democratic nation that beleives in the rule of law - nothing could be further from the truth.

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@Sam,

You don't impress me with where you've been at all.  For all I know, you may have been kicked out from one to the other for illegal immigration.  Running around other countries as a refugee does give you any edge over other people.  Do you know where I've been, what I've done and my station in life?  You have no clue how I became resident in the US or what I am doing there and yet in your usual manner jumped to conclusons that are totally baseless and above all, wrong.  Aint you tired of being wrong all the time?

Who you are or what you are means nothing to me.  Go impress those cheap girls with such boastings.  It does not move me.

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finally you made one post that has something in it. congrats. i will reply you when i wake up.

its past 3am here/

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@Cap28,

Let me give you the benefit of a doubt because you are new to this discussion by sharing this with you.

I have no problems with accepting that the US pursues its self interests beyond its borders and in the process violates the sovereignty of other lands.  This is inbred in every nation and every ideology that we find on our planet.  While they all mouth one thing, they do what is diametrically opposed to what they declare.  I am reading a book on Global Justice this weekend, by Che Guevara.  It's funny how he is against imperialism but basically does the same thing.  They just call it by a differnet name.  His present day contemporary would be someone like Hugo Chavez.  The end justifies the means is basically their mantra.

Why am I saying this? Words and allegations are cheap.  Facts is what matters.  I do not believe the Global Warming that the US and other Western Nations are shouting about because I believe there are no facts to back up their claims.  My sceptism of global warming is not based on the antecedents of America or Europe, but on the data I can see.  But to claim the US is behind the earthqake in Haiti while at the same time up to some sinister plans (which the accusers are yet to identify), without providing any verifiable data to suggest such is ludicrous.  

The most logical antecedent to comapre this to is America's response during the tsunami in Indonesia.  Despite the fact that the govt of Indonesia did not collapse as it apparently has with Haiti, the US sent about 8,000 marines to help with the relief effort.  That was Asia, this is South America.  So please, before you ask me to tow the path of condemning America, I will need more than all these America did this, America did that.  They have absolutely no bearing to this situation.

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Tayo i already told you that You are Star for getting my attention. congrats.

Without Nairaland, I doubt our paths would have crossed because i hardly waste my time on dull minds,

I suggest You ask yourself these questions.

Did i know about US-HAITI relations prior to the Earthquake ?

Or am i just not happy that sam and co are accusing a country that gave me visa ?

You think we hate America, No we dont hate America.

i have not seen one point you made on this thread apart from chanting fiction and virtual reality.

i told you how many places i have been because you need to see people and know how they behave before judging them.

You dont just stay in one place and decide how others should live because you have big guns.

You are just like one fool from edo state i met who got resident permit in Holland.

Then he came to my office with news of how Holland is the best, the most populous and the most friendly people on earth,

this guy cant locate Sweden on the map yet he knew the best nation on earth is Holland.

when i asked him where else he has been, he said only Nigeria.

I wrote an article about it in AFRICAN BULLETIN newspaper in Holland stressing the need to teach and inform our people about what is going on in holland,

As a result, a charity organization was born www.goodwillhomage.com. i personally hold classes for members of the goodwill about holland policies on immigrants, how it affects them etc. plus computer classes twice a week. all for free.

you see that i have some knowledge of policies Tayo.

What baffles me here is how quick you dismiss facts as virtual reality even when a lot of references are thrown at you.

my questions to you are :

is it that your brain is totally blocked from observing what is happening around you ?

or is it that you are just contented with anything America say or do?

is it that life is smiling at you such that policies and its makers doesnt matter to you ?

or is it that you are mentally ill ?

somehow you have failed to notice that people you arguing with here are way far more advanced in knowledge than you.

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tayo a word of advice - read more, research more and it will open up your mind, the reason you are having this difficulty understanding and accepting what is being said on this thread is because you are in the dark okay, some of the things that are being said on here are actually truisms to most informed individuals, i have come across you on a number of threads and my observation is that you are totally uninformed - i have cited books above and articles by renowned intellectuals such as stokeley carmichael and noam chomsky - these people have been around for a long time (although stokely died in 1998) and they were at the forefront of campaigns challenging US foreign policy, if i were you i would read some of their works and then form an opinion, that way at least you have attempted to look at things from another angle, but to simply absorb propaganda and then spout it off as the gospel truth is a sign of extreme naivite.

are you familiar with the role that the US has played and continues to play in latin america? are you familiar with america's invasion of panama (under george bush snr) the invasion of grenada (under reagan) how about the monroe doctrine and the carter doctrine.

do yourself a favour - wake up, open your eyes and you will begin to see that the america that you love and adore is the antichrist.

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@cap28,

Why am I not surprised that cap28 is now a student of the Negro-Sam School of Virtual Reality! You can be certain that Cap28 will take sides with anyone who cries Death to America or Death to Isreal. Of course he will toe along the path of anyone who sees nothing good in America. I have started counting, soon we will see the rest of the horde coming out here to have their cheap shot at the United States. I guess the mere feeling of powerfulness that comes from condemning a powerful nation is too intoxicating for insecure people to ignore. The thing wey bad belle go cause ehn.

@Sam,

I have said before that you are very insecure. You try to feel adequate by putting other people down and you are here again touting how much travels you've done. Who cares? Do you even have a clue what others have done and where they've been? Any fool can come on the www (that's the world wide web for you), and make bogus claims. You really need to grow up.

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