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Why isn't Bush Impeached as yet?

There is nothing hobbles a President so much as impeachment, but in Pres Bush's case it seems that impeachment is out of the question; even though, impeachment is clearly written all over his face and actions.

I wonder why it was OK for Americans to quickly consider President Clinton to be impeached over personal issues, but on the other hand, it's OK for President Bush to continue with his illegal operations and drag American economic through the dark brutal mud without any impeachment consideration?

I smell fish!

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that's your opinion

not my, civilzed indeed

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Because he is a BUSH man. Bush men don't get impeached. They get gobbled up! Unfortunately, Americans are too civilized to do so! Ain't he lucky?

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This lousy excuse doesn't fly. Everyone knows you're desperately looking for ways to run people down. Oya now, find proof that i've lied.

when you called me a liar, were you high? Didn't you know what you were doing? Here's your chance to discredit me and you waste it babbling inanities.

i've thrown down the gauntlet. Either pick it up or show your true, yellow-bellied nature to everyone.

Pick up the gauntlet, little man. You really think you're a match for me? Then show me!

*cough* buffoon *cough*

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talk of the grandmother of all ironies.

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Wait a minute, you really expected me to believe all you put down here? What have you been drinking?

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No be public forum we dey, if you like tell us say you finish university when you still dey your mama belle, no wahala.

You lie a lot so don't expect me to believe anything you put down here.

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@ettehgate a.k.a osereka

You have always been a fool

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This is the end product of a life of paranoia, or eagerly grasping at any and all conspiracy theories you come across. You become like Ebenezer Scrooge, a man who says "Bah! Humbug!" to anything beyond him.

I don't care what you believe. it adds no money in my pocket. Stew in your paranoia, you'll die a bitter, suspicious feller.

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@i-man,

  i've given up on you long time

I found that anytime you open your mouth, poo fall out. nigger!

that is what they call your type in america. shallom my bros

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The Mother of All Ironies. . . . .given that almost all your submissions on this thread are about personalities,you must have the smallest of minds.

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Ah. Yet another acolyte for Afam and his cronies, complete with the requisite stupidity.

Yet another troll that musn't be fed.

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@Afam

here's a simple challenge. show the house anywhere i've begged or solicited for an administrator role. That should be easy enough for you, right.

Believe me, the 'sir' part wasn't meant to convey respect. i'm glad, however, that you did not dispute the '' part. perhaps it's gradually sinking into your thick skull.

Graduated as an old man? lol! I finished at 21. That old in your book, eh?

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@ettehgate,

I know them and that is why they should be put where they belong, the waste bin.

@texazzpete,

Many madmen don't even agree that they are mad so I am not surprised that you cannot even recall that you have been begging for an administrator role on Nairaland.

innumerable number of forums? Name just 4.

If you feel so bad why don't you setup a forum and run it the way you like. You seem to be busy criticizing everybody and yet you have never taken the initiative to start something on your own, is it that bad?

Truth be told, you will be banned in some of the forums that I belong to because they cannot stand your stupidity.

Where the sir come dey come from? Please, lose the sir, I don't need it, you are beginning to sound like a booth licker already. That you may have gone to the university (according to you sha) and graduated in 2003 as an old man is no excuse for you to be addressing people like that.

One more thing, I am sure that the administrator of this forum has been able to see through the many lies of people like you that claim that I insult people because I have never insulted anyone on this forum unless I am responding to an insult and I don't intend to stop this very effective practice, not in the near future.

I respect people regardless of their views and opinions even if I don't agree with them. Why would someone choose to insult another for having a different point of view if not that the person is incapable of making his/her case in a logical manner devoid of lies and misinformation.

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@afam,

told you before and am repeating myself

THERE ARE SOME AMERICANISED NAIJAS IN THE HOUSE

THAT THE ONLY gOD THEY WORSHIP IS bush

they will support america in all they do and try to bring

NAIJA DOWN AT ALL TIMES.

ITS A PITY

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Part time job? begging? Where?

I belong to innumerable number of forums and discussion groups, and nowhere else have i seen one man managing to properly administer any of them. That's why we have double-posts and crime and sex related posts in the politics section.

but then you'll know nothing about this, willya? I mean, i can't imagine your attitude and stupidity being left to stand for long on most discussion groups out there. You're given free rein to spread your insidious message of deceit, lies and hoaxes that's why you are emboldened enough to insult people intellectually superior to you.

So little minds discuss people abi? Last i checked George Bush was a person, and YOU seem to have an unhealthy obsession with him.

Were it up to you, every Nigerian would believe that Bush ate babies, killed nuns and Molested kids.

you, sir, are an !

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Seems the frustration is getting out of hand here. As they say little minds discuss people so I am not surprised that your submission was about Afam as I am sure your brain cannot process information properly.

Complaining that the forum is too big for one person to manage is not the best way to get into the action on NL, respectfully approach Seun and beg him to give you administrator privilege (I doubt that anyway considering your level of stupidity).

It seems you really miss posts from my inbox, don't worry it usually takes less than 5 minutes to post them here once I get them, it seems such posts really give you the chance to air your opinions based on your warped sense of reasoning.

Why feel bad about the inverters I build? At least I build something while you are desperately begging for a part time job on a public forum.

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Leave Afam alone. It pleases him to think that Americans are dumb. he remains blissfully ignorant that while he constructs his generic inverters, americans a fraction of his age are submitting entries for DARPA challenges.

@Afam

Nothing from your inbox in a while. Can it be that after your last hoax (and your fruitless attempt to salvage any dignity for the incident) you've now taken to using your long-dormant brain cells (Finally!) to scrutinize 'em before posting?

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Abeg,read the whole story well,you will see it was the Democrats that didn't want to pursue the motion. . .read am well before posting

The Republicans voted against a measure to kill an impeachment resolution.The Democrats wanted to kill the resolution that their colleague had introduced,but the GOP wanted the impeachment measure to go ahead because they will benefit from it.

The Republicans and most Democrats realise impeachment proceedings benefit the GOP because such proceedings are baseless.

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I think the Democrats should do what they can to stop this from moving forward.

House Republicans vote against Democratic-led move to table Cheney impeachment measure; resolution sent to House Judiciary

In an unexpected move, House Republicans on Tuesday voted against a measure to kill an impeachment resolution introduced against Vice President Dick Cheney by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH).

A motion to table, which would have ended debate on the resolution, had been brought by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) soon after Rep. Kucinich took to the floor to read from his proposed articles of impeachment.

"Impeachment is not on the agenda," Democratic Rep. Hoyer had told Fox News earlier on Tuesday."We have some major priorities. We need to focus on those."

Although the roll call vote had initially appeared to favor Hoyer's motion, Republicans -- who had at first voted in with the majority leader --later began to switch their votes.

That decision is being widely interpreted as an attempt to embarrass the Democratic leadership, which is not keen on seeing further action on the impeachment resolution. “I am surprised that Republicans would treat an issue as important as the potential impeachment of a vice president of the United States as a petty political game,” Hoyer said in a statement.

"Republicans gleefully said they wanted the debate to show the public how many Democrats would actually support impeaching Cheney, which they consider a move supported only by a fringe element of anti-war activists," reports the Washinton Post.

According to The Hill newspaper, Republican sources credit Congressman John Shadegg (R-AZ) with the idea of trying to keep the debate afloat. The final vote count on the measure was 251-162.

Following the failure of his motion, Rep. Hoyer immediately moved to have the resolution sent to the House Judiciary Committee, which the House eventually approved in a 218-194 vote along strict party lines.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) told Fox News on Monday that moving forward with impeachment was not in the best interests of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).

"If she were to let this thing out of the box," said Conyers, "considering the number of legislative issues we have pending , it could create a split that could effect our productivity for the rest of the Congress."

The Baltimore Sun's blog, The Swamp, describes the resolution as now "buried in committee."

But a spokeswoman for the House Judiciary did not rule out the committee's consideration of the measure. "We were surprised that the minority was so ready to move forward with consideration of a matter of such complexity as impeaching the Vice President," she said. "The Chairman will discuss today's vote with the Committee members but it would seem evident that the committee staff should continue to consider, as a preliminary matter, the many abuses of this Administration, including the Vice President."

Kucinich said in a press conference late Tuesday afternoon that he believed the measure may still have a life.

"I've spoken to Mr. Conyers and I'm quite confident that the ball is in good hands," said Kucinich.

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does this not tell you, its all a game to all this morons?

Are this not grounds for impeachment?

WASHINGTON -- House Democrats on Tuesday narrowly managed to avert a bruising debate on a proposal to impeach Dick Cheney after Republicans, in a surprise maneuver, voted in favor of taking up the measure.

Republicans, changing course midway through a vote, tried to force Democrats into a debate on the resolution sponsored by longshot presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich.

Vice President Dick Cheney speaks at the World Affairs Council luncheon Friday Nov. 2, 2007 in Dallas. The World Affairs Council is non-profit, nonpartisan organization established to educate citizens on issues of international affairs and foreign policy. (AP Photo/Tim Sharp) (Tim Sharp - AP)

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The anti-war Ohio Democrat, in his resolution, accused Cheney of purposely leading the country into war against Iraq and manipulating intelligence about Iraq's ties with al-Qaida

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/06/AR2007110601451.html

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@I-man were you aware the same GOP blocked impeachment insinuated against DICK CHANEY ON MONDAY?

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_not_stopping_with_Cheney_plans_1106.html

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This is obviously not the case.If the Democrats have stated that they believe Bush has committed impeachable offences but that they don't have enough voted to carry out an impeachment,then your point will arise.Instead they have taken time to dissmis such talk

If the Democrats cite such impeachable offenses,any Republican attempt to block such an impeachment will backfire on the GOP.The simple truth is that there no case to be made for impeachment

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I think the main thing was that they found that majority of those polled did not want impeachment at all and Pellosi may have considered that if the democrats pursued impeachment and lost, it would turn their own people against them.

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Bush has not been impeached because the democrates do not have the vote in the house to impeach him. its as simple as ABC. IF they have the vote needed to send him packing he would have been booted out.

Its all part of the strategy on the democrats part to keep the war going and look good in next year election. They are all pathetic

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USA Today/Gallup Poll. July 6-8, 2007. N=1,014 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"As you may know, impeachment is the first step in the constitutional process for removing a president from office, in which possible crimes are investigated and charges are made. Do you think there is or is not justification for Congress to begin impeachment proceedings against President Bush at this time?"

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There Is There Is Not Unsure

Justification Justification

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http://www.pollingreport.com/bush.htm

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Proof please

torture of POWs? Which POWs? If these guys are truly POWs, why all the gist about 'illegal detention'. Also, there have been cases of abuse (physical and mental) i.e Abu Ghraib, but where's the proof that these were authorized by the president?

And how exactly is this a crime against the american people to warrant impeachment? The US government insists it has a right to do this anyway.

Eh? Boil people alive? Provide proof from a reputable source ASAP or stand discredited.

Ah. this same tired consipracy theory that fools only the most gullible.

And this wasn't picked up by his opponents? kelly? Edwards? yet 'Son of Bush' through you strives to convince us foulplay was involved? it won't fly, man.

Seriously? Why are there so many anti-bush and anti-war demonstrations? The placards these guys carry, they aren't exactly complimentary towards Bush. More conspiracy theorist bullshit all over again.

You're the first person idiotic enough to link Enron to Bush. No connection there.

So Bush is now an accomplished hacker? Cool

I could go on and on, but you have to realise that you shouldn't just copy and paste anything off the internet without using your grey cells to screen 'em for common sense. For instance, No congress is ever going to impeach a president for an illegal war it voted in support of. Even the misleading intelligence info didn't come from Bush himself.

Why do i even bother. You'll keep on and on and on. Once they're loose, there's no stopping the forum trolls. . .

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@RichyBlack:

You've done it again, great job!

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I REPEAT

The average american does not even know where Nigeria is. You mention Nigeria and they echo "FRAUD". The Average American does not even want to visit Nigeria or most places in Africa. The average american is content with having a good job and paying money to organizations that will go out to help poor people in africa and much. Where in the world do you get your idea of what the average american cares for?? Heck even the polls show it daily. People are more concerned about the government getting the price of gas down and really do not care how many people in nigeria have been killed so far.

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Conservative Scholars Argue Bush’s Wiretapping Is An Impeachable Offense

Conservative scholars Bruce Fein and Norm Ornstein argued yesterday on The Diane Rehm show that, should Bush remain defiant in defending his constitutionally-abusive wire-tapping of Americans (as he has indicated he will), Congress should consider impeaching him.

QUESTION: Is spying on the American people as impeachable an offense as lying about having sex with an intern?

BRUCE FEIN, constitutional scholar and former deputy attorney general in the Reagan Administration: I think the answer requires at least in part considering what the occupant of the presidency says in the aftermath of wrongdoing or rectification. On its face, if President Bush is totally unapologetic and says I continue to maintain that as a war-time President I can do anything I want – I don’t need to consult any other branches – that is an impeachable offense. It’s more dangerous than Clinton’s lying under oath because it jeopardizes our democratic dispensation and civil liberties for the ages. It would set a precedent that … would lie around like a loaded gun, able to be used indefinitely for any future occupant.

NORM ORNSTEIN, AEI scholar: I think if we’re going to be intellectually honest here, this really is the kind of thing that Alexander Hamilton was referring to when impeachment was discussed.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/conservative-scholars-argue-bush%E2%80%99s-wiretapping-is-an-impeachable-offense/

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BUSH'S IMPEACHABLE OFFENCES

Compiled by "Son of a Bush"

1) The now famous Downing Street Memo, along with the testimony of former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil constitute direct evidence of a decision by Bush to invade a sovereign foreign nation on entirely specious grounds.

2) The decision to deploy chemical weapons in Fallujah came from Rumsfeld who no doubt covered his Bottom by receiving assent from Bush to use these banned weapons

3) The decision by Bush to dig up dirt on UN diplomats when the General Assembly was considering his ill-fated war resolution

4) Authorizing torture of POW's - a direct violation of the protocols of the Geneva Convention

5) Holding so called "non-combatant civilians" for an indefinite period of time ,depriving them of their day in court ,acess to counsel, and acess to family members who could plead their cause to the public.

6) Kidnapping so called "terror suspects" , placing them on Rendition Airways, and sending them to countries like Uzbekistan who boil these ,untried,unconvicted people alive.

7) foreknowledge of 9/11 by Bush, Rice, and the top Neocons at the Pentagon . The only ones warned were Fmr. SF. Mayor Willie Brown, Salman Rushdie (Via Scotland Yard) and Ariel Sharon, who cancelled his trip to NYC scheduled for the weekend prior to 9/11.

8 ) Engaging in a massive voter suppression campaign in the state of Ohio to secure a second term by fraudulent means. Such activities carry criminal sanctions as outlined in the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

9) Covering up the involvement of Mossad in 9/11. The fellow that secreted these spies and explosives experts out of country and back into Israel , Michael Chertoff, was promoted from Criminal Division of the Justice Dept to lead the Dept. of Homeland Security.!

10) The attempt to quash the testimony of Sibel Edmonds using the bogus shield of the States Secret Act.

11) Engaging in a sytematic campaign of depriving political dissidents of their 1st ammendment rights to condem Bush administration policy. Protesters are removed out of crowds and summarily placed in jail. The Secret Service, under orders of the President, conduct "Harassment and intimidation Interviews" of anti -Bush political activists.

12) Conspiring with Ken Lay to rip-off the the people of California by creating false energy shortages,thus creating the causus belli for charging energy consumers illegal, confiscatory rates. 13) Conspiring to rig the vote count in the state of Fl. by hacking optical scan machines and E-voting machines and covering up the latter by passing legislation in the state of Fl to prevent post-election examination of E-voting machines.

14) Illegally transferring $700 million from the budget for the war in Afghanistan for war preparations in Iraq in July 2002, without Congressional Approval. This is a Constitutional violation.

15) The "outing" of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

This info is what I can recover off the top of my head. Clearly an impeachment inquiry by the US House Judiciary Committeee is an action clearly overdue. Some of the allegations are violations of international law. They fall under the impeachment clause as well . An additional action of filing criminal referral to the UN War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague is also an absolute must if the United States wants to gain the esteem of the citizens of the entire world.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/impeacharticles.html

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What poll did you take when you made this comment?

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Even CNN does not show that the average American does not know where the 50 States are. I do live among those you call "AVERAGE AMERICANS". Unless you can show me that I am wrong when it comes to that post there, you have nothing else but fluff to offer as usual. HECK, even Oprah showed you what the Average American thinks of Nigeria, LMAO!!!

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The hopeless gang again.

Some people can be silly.

The content in brown - Did you take a poll? If this is not hypocrisy then what is it?

The content in red - Who are the they? Who is doing the mentioning?

The content in blue - I am sure the poster asked the americans to know that the average american does not want to visit Nigeria.

Bottomline? We are faced with people with very low level of reasoning who only see things in 2 dimensions.

In one single post someone queried a statement for using the average american and then proceeded to pollute the whole area with similar statements. Real shame. I guess some of us should stop thinking with our left hands.

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@ Afam, you can spin it however you wish but one thing i cant stand is hypocrisy and false information.

You have never met Average Americans save for perhaps a few tourists here and there . . . how then can you make sweeping generalizations of the "average american who has heard about Nigeria"?

How many americans have really heard about Nigeria? I doubt if they are up to 1% of the entire population.

How do you know that the average american cannot locate states in the US? That is false! My 7yr old cousin can at least name all 50 states.

Stick to talking about things you really have an idea about!

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The average american does not even know where Nigeria is. You mention Nigeria and they echo "FRAUD". The Average American does not even want to visit Nigeria or most places in Africa. The average american is content with having a good job and paying money to organizations that will go out to help poor people in africa and much. Where in the world do you get your idea of what the average american cares for?? Heck even the polls show it daily. People are more concerned about the government getting the price of gas down and really do not care how many people in nigeria have been killed so far.

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The quote above should read

Apart from the content in bold I am sure the remaining part of my statement made it clear that finding states in the US is even a hard task for the americans so telling us that they don't know where Africa is to me is plain waste of space.

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And pray where did afam meet this "average americans"? On CNN?

I live with Average americans everyday, most have no idea where Africa is.

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@all the hypocrites,

You want to force people to discuss a particular issue yet you cannot start threads focusing on such issues.

You complain about Nigerians discussing foreign issues yet you stick your noses into Nigerian issues even when you are living in foreign lands.

And this gang only come together when words like Israel, US, Bush, Arab, Mulsim come up

What reasonable people do when they see threads they think are silly is ignore the thread completely but no, it will not happen, they will search for such threads and they will always contribute and at the same time complain, this type of hypocrisy is alarming.

Unless some of you are living outside planet earth I am sure you would know what the average american thinks about Nigeria and Nigerians even though the average american cannot even show you where some states are on the US map not to talk about Nigeria.

Let the oyibo wannabes do what is right and stop all this nonsense about displaying their frustrations in not being able to force people to discuss issues they like, it won't happen.

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@Big B1

Still scouring for those impeachable offences ?Good luck with your volunteer work. . . .when you find those offences,make sure you forward to the Democratic National Committee:

Mailing Address:

Democratic National Committee

430 S. Capitol St. SE

Washington, DC 20003

Main Phone Number:

202-863-8000

http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contact

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White House ordered to preserve all e-mail

Judge orders White House to safeguard all e-mail

Administration had argued against keeping all e-mail

Groups argue White House violated law when e-mail destroyed

Five million messages are missing, groups allege

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal judge Monday ordered the White House to preserve copies of all its e-mails, a move that Bush administration lawyers had argued strongly against.

A judge ordered the White House to keep copies of all e-mails.

U.S. District Judge Henry Kennedy directed the Executive Office of the President to safeguard the material in response to two lawsuits that seek to determine whether the White House has destroyed e-mails in violation of federal law.

In response, the White House said it has been taking steps to preserve copies of all e-mails and will continue to do so. The administration is seeking dismissal of the lawsuits brought by two private groups, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the National Security Archive.

The organizations allege the disappearance of 5 million White House e-mails. The court order issued by Kennedy, an appointee of President Clinton, is directed at maintaining backup tapes which contain copies of White House e-mails.

The Federal Records Act details strict standards prohibiting the destruction of government documents including electronic messages, unless first approved by the archivist of the United States.

Justice Department lawyers had urged the courts to accept a proposed White House declaration promising to preserve all backup tapes.

"The judge decided that wasn't enough," said Anne Weismann, an attorney for CREW, which has gone to court over secrecy issues involving the Bush administration and has pursued ethical issues involving Republicans on Capitol Hill.

The judge's order "should stop any future destruction of e-mails, but the White House stopped archiving its e-mail in 2003 and we don't know if some backup tapes for those e-mails were already taped over before we went to court. It's a mystery," said Meredith Fuchs, a lawyer for the National Security Archive.

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CREW and the National Security Archive are seeking to force the White House to immediately explain in court what happened to its e-mail, an issue that first surfaced nearly two years ago in the leak probe of administration officials who disclosed Valerie Plame's CIA identity to reporters.

Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald revealed early in 2006 that relevant e-mails could be missing because of an archiving problem at the White House.

The White House has provided little public information about the matter, saying that some e-mails may not have been automatically archived on a computer server for the Executive Office of the President and that the e-mails may have been preserved on backup tapes.

The White House has said that its Office of Administration is looking into whether there are e-mails that were not automatically archived and that if there is a problem, the necessary steps will be taken to address it.

Kennedy issued the order following recommendations to do so by a federal magistrate who held a hearing on the matter.

"We will study the court's order and the magistrate's recommendations," said White House spokesman Scott Stanzel. "However, the Office of Administration has been taking steps to maintain and preserve backup tapes for the official e-mail system. We have provided assurances to the plaintiffs and to the court that these steps were being taken. We will continue preserving the tapes in compliance with the court's order." E-mail to a friend

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/12/white.house.email.ap/index.html

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Ndipe must be a mechanic.

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WHen you click to reply , scroll down and click INSERT QUOTE next to the comment you would like to insert into your post

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@McKren

The truth is NOT what you choose to believe. The truth might not be what you want it to be but, the truth is always the truth!

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This is what I think:

It is obvious that Bush's opponent refuses to impeach Bush not because he's unimpeachable, but simply to protect the image and future of United States.

Impeaching Bush at this point has enormous punitive damages than being advantageous to the image of America to the outsiders (who also crave for her downfall).

This is also why leadership standard in United States is untouchable. The oppositions are not only thinking about selves or today; they are more concerned about the future of the great image of the United States of America. And they clearly understand that carrying out an impeachment process for President Bush could result into a major impractical collapse of the great country.

If Bush gets impeached successfully:

It will also give a solid premise to successfully try president Bush for War crime.

American president being considered or tried for war crime will send a wrong message, which will further capacitate the stamina of the enemies.

I truly believe that this is the main reason why Bush must be left alone to finish his despicable and disreputable term.

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And Nixon was untouchable, Bigb1? Or are you just making up this unfounded stories to initiate some controversy on the board?

PS: How can I insert one's post into my comment instead of copying and pasting?

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unlike Nigeria where leaders are lost, incompetent, closed-fisted, visionless, desecrated, gullible, silly, contemptible, inattentive, goalless etc.

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@debosky:

You tell me!

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Our Leaders in Nigeria do not think this way.

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