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Is Linux Problem Free? Why All The Windows Bashing?

Its seems everyone has got a problem or the other with Microsofts vista these days(Vista is relatively new and with most new products it has some design flaws). You'd think it was the worst thing to hit computers. This leads me to ask if is such problems are just confined to vista. Is there nothing in Linux that makes you want to scream, or are people just downplaying its flaws so that it doesn't look bad?

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about d xtra core2duo power. what i meant was dt if ubuntu works well on p2 dn it is super fast on sometime higher like core2duo, *

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2 frank even window ìs a lame duck ìf u r offline.abi where do u download codecs,drivers,freewares,i mean if u use windows offline on a fresh install it wont b any beta dn ubuntu.infact add d fact dt ubuntu comes preinstalled with an office programme,a messager client dt can run yahoo,an advance photo editing software,a cd burner,a bluetooth client etc on a fresh install dn ubuntu is a beta choice if u r offline.beside i have a ubuntu package cd which u can add to synaptics 2 install programms offline

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@bigbrovar

Sorry if i made a few offensive statements in my reply.

Visit psubuntu.com. The official ubuntu site has isos for PS3, both Live CD an full install. You can run a full install of ubuntu on PS3, only thing missing is all the eye-candy, i guess due to PS3 linux lack of access to the GPU.

1.) Any horsepower you claim to save by running ubuntu on a core 2 duo over Xp, what d'ya use it for?

2.) Contrary to what you say, piracy is only that much rampant in Africa and Asia. Most Windows revenue comes from people buying new systems with Vista or Xp pre-installed.

3.) Aero ripped off the Mac interface?! WTF?! Have you even seen the MAc interface? Does every cute GUI have to be a Rip-off of Mac OSX? Will every cute phone GUI be a rip-offf of the i-phone? Weird.

Anyway, to each his own. I pretty much can figure out Ubuntu on my own, but it remains a broken OS for me until i've got internet access in my house. Synaptic won't do crap for you if you're offline

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mahn y are u so paranoid , i never accused u of using a pirated windows , i just asked if u buy anything windows or u download them from illegal site, and instead of giving a straight answer u just went on about how 419 culture don kill nigerians finish, well i let that pass ,

the point u miss is that piracy is the number one factor that sustains windows in many developing countries in the world, it shields people from the real cost of using windows, even those that have the money don't have the means of payment , so u get an os for say 22,000 (i.e vista) then u discover that u still have to buy an office program for $200 (office 2007) that is like fifteen thousand naira ,ok since there are free AV programs u are lucky, but when it comes to buring cds u are not so lucky u have to pay about 14,000 naira for a program like nero ,ok let me stop at that , but do the maths 22,000 +15,000+14,000 = 5,1000 , that is is the price of a good deskop , so tell me how many Nigerians can afford that, and what is the sense in making an os that cost 22,000 and does not come with an office program and a burning software , not even an anti virus, when u can get an os for free, that comes with this features and more by default, so if that is not exploitation , then what is,

i never said there was anything evil in developers making money for what there do, ijust said that free open source alternative are better than their expensive over bloated windows counterpart, e.g k3b is better than nero, gimp and inkscape work better for me than photoshop and corel draw , so i will be a mungu for paying for sumtin i can get for free, or don't u think ?

http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;261269498;fp;2;fpid;1

basically i always jump into any linux windows debate cus that it was one of such debate that made me giv linux a try , so who knows i just might bring u too over , hmmm that would be very nice,

look vista is exploitative , its just a windows dressing of windows xp , with a better security , that was copied from linux and a gui stolen form apple. but poorly implimented. that is why it is having all the problems, so after the initiall plan for vista failed , bill just called some kid from visual styles to develop a gui, and added security features stolen from the design of unix, spend billion on marketing, arm twisting the computer companies to stop shipping xp, added drm, and whala , u have a new operating system form micro $oft, splited into basic,home,enterperice and ultimate, the smallest cost 22 thousand naira, add the price of an extra one gb of ram plus the little cal we did earlier , then u might just get what i mean,

we the guy is always on the nick on linux threaten us with lawsuits about how we stole everything from windows , from the mouse ,to some other things we wont talk about, man do u know how many lectures that man has said poo about linux, omo i wont lie we diss him very much, cus he does the same to us ,

windows is best,

i don't know where u get your facts from but , they do not represent the current state of ubuntu linux

but don't forget my offer , lets end this debate, i fit come your house then we try out ubuntu and vista side by side,

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At this stage, Linux users should ask themselves what exactly they plan to achieve. i get people telling me Linux can run well on Pentium IIs and older machines.

Guess what? I dont HAVE a pentium II and i don't need one either.

They say Linux is stable, doesn't crash and no need for reboots after installations.

My Windows PC (post SP2) rarely crashes or become unstable, only ONE BSOD in 18 months and i really do not mind restarting after installation. After all, restarting's a whole lot more passive than typing commands such as 'make' during the installation process of many Linux apps.

They say you can run many Windows programs in Linux, including games. My good friend Chxta even whips out a screenshot of him running Football Manager 2007 on ubuntu using WINE. He falls silent when i ask him to emulate Quake Wars. . .

They say linux has great ease of use. My cousin can easily run ZSNES (a super Nintendo emulator) on his desktop cos it comes with an easy-to-use GUI. The Linux version of ZSNES runs from command line, and has no GUI to speak of until you spend quality time seeking it out, downloading it and running some crappy commands to configure GUI.

So why upgrade? I'll be buying Laptops from here on as my Job and lifestyle demands mobility. My systems will always be powerful and cutting edge so they'll run Windows flawlessly. The extra horsepower the linux geeks claim i'll save from running Ubuntu or some other 'non bloatware OS' will never be used by any demanding game or 3D app, so why bother?

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Oyb,

I have tremendous respect for you, so i'll try and be as inoffensive as possible.

The '419 culture bit' was not meant to refer to purveyors of pirated products as 419s. It refers to the automatic assumption by bigbrovar and Hayorbahmy that just because i'm a Nigerian i must be using pirated windows puchased from otigba. It's the mutual distrust and suspicion of all other Nigerians i refer to. There's no reason why anyone should automatically state with certainty that i'm running a pirated version of Windows.

Most workers that buy laptops (even cheap celerons) have licensed versions of XP or Vista in them, so this assumption is pretty tragic.

It's pretty amusing that you took my Tupac CD analogy literally. the last CD i ripped was legally bought by ME!

I've done my fair share of music downloads. i've even run pirated windows XP a long time ago on my first PC (in 2001/02). I can freely admit this. what i take exception to is the attitude taken by Linux fanboys. My good friend chxta has NEVER bought or paid for anything from Microsoft in his life, he's installed pirated versions of Windows 95 - Xp for loads of people, yet he feels no shame putting a dollar sign in Microsoft (i.e Micro$oft) or calling Bill Gates 'the leader of mammon'. I find this kind of attitude hypocritical.

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texasspete,

this is offtopic, but,

rest assured, there are several nigerians working for a living that cannot afford genuine versions of windows. no be everybody wey fit work for 'oyel company'.

as to using pirated windows being an example of how 419 culture has destroyed Nigerians- Pulleeze! People all over the world use pirated software! on the warez forums i frequent, i see posts from people of ALL nationalities! was it 419 oriented nigerians that invented software cracking?

you've admited to stealing music( which is what ripping a tupac CD you didn't buy is)

Can you state with all honesty, that you have never used pirated software? at least before these halycon days as 'a nigerian working for a living'?)

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Hahaha mehn u remind me of when i was like u,   http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=45022.msg1206031#msg1206031  , thank God i know better,  let me just make some points clear, yeah call me a zealot And a fan boy i agree ,  at lease its better than being a mungu that has to shell out Thousands of dollars just to make my computer experience reseanable. oh , sorry u don't buy anything windows right ? ,  but why should u u can always cracked them from illegal site , and thanks to Nigeria a country where illegality go largely unpunished, u go home feeling good with your self , maybe if u had to buy vista for $500, antivirus program for $300 with excluding subscription, MS office for $300 ,also add idm,nero,coredraw and other cool windows apps to your list then u just might have a rethink about windows.  u just said sumtin about ati ? ,  right , yeah they are all part of the evil empire that is windows,  their refusal to make a good driver for linux is the cus of all the problem the community is having with it, and do u know why they havent? , well its becus linux is bad for bizness this is an os that is free and open source where people work day and night to make free programs that performs better than the expensive bloats u have on windows , so the Good bizness minded people in ati don't want to have anything to do with such people, they rather support windows that make os that would be so high hardware dependant that any body dreaming of using them would have to buy a brand new systems which would ensure more money for ati, i use intel card and it works perfectly well with linux and i have never had any need to have to use command line , everything is as easy as point and click, linux is not perfect, but there is a way around every problem ,  am not a guru neither have i been to a computer school before i just started linux some 3 months ago i have leant enof to make me stand on my two feet infact i have not gone back to windows in 2 months know, everthing i need i do with linux, and i have a stable system no whahala , 

what makes me a linux zealots is not bcus the os is perfect ,  its bcus it an os that believes in the idea of open source, where softeware developers are driven by passion and not money, an os that rate helping others over profit,  where the motto is humnity to others ,  an not lock downs and drms ,  i feel free using linux ,  i own my operating system, so i don't just have a right of use, i have met people so committed to the cause of open source that there sell the personal effect just to support a personal project , linux is backed by a community of millions of people willing to help out  on issues, linux is free ,  u can even request for ubuntu and it would be delivered to your door step free of charge ,  i a proud community member and some other linux zealots in Nigeria have setup a projects called www.ubuntunigeria.wordpress.com where we give out free ubuntu cds and help new users with support and installation free of charge ,  i can't count how many people i have installed linux for,  i have spent thousands of naira buying empty cds,paying for downloads , shipping cds to people in need,  i even lost my phone whiile installing linux for a lady that insisted on having it on her system that is the free giving spirit i have gotten from linux,  so u see linux is not just an os ,  its a philosophy,  and a movement,  its a voice and a statement against expoitation,  and for all this am proud to be a Zealots,

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@texazzpete

It's Linus Torvalds and not Thorvalds

But the fact still remains that windows has issues, Linux has issues but weighing which is which gives a clearer picture and If u read carefully I told u I stood to be corrected.

Whatever

I am a Linux user,programmer and an enthusiasist I dont care what u say or do

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@Hayorbahmy

your list is critically flawed if it ranks Grphics on the same scale as user-friendliness

@Poster

I do not use linux much. I actually have Ubuntu GUtsy Gibbon installed on my ps3, but that's just as a curio. Linux is developed as a free, open-source alternative to the commercial OSes out there (Windows, mac). But that's what it is. a personal alternative.

What makes people like me (and millions others) dislike linux is the attitude taken by linux fanboys and zealots that they are the elite of the computing world. They trot out absurd assertions about the reliability and stability of Windows PCs. What they won't tell you is how really stable post-SP2 Windows Xp has been, and is how well Vista runs if you have a system that meets the recommended specs.

Some criticisms of Vista (i.e not compatible with all existing software) are pretty absurd. In fact, stuff like this has constantly held back OS makers from innovating significantly and moving away from pre-existing notions. i mean, God forbid that any OS maker releases a version that doesn't work well with Corel draw 11 or Studio max 7. One guy even trashed Vista because his graphics apps that ran well on Xp didn't run on vista.

I use windows XP on my laptop, and i don't have random crashes and blue screens. Linux users will babble on about how their machines can run for years without being reset. I dunno about you, but i prefer to restart once or twice a week than to spend days tweaking drivers and command lines just to get a TV card to work, or to spend hours in a forum asking for how to patch ATI drivers to work well in my Linux install.

Bottom line? Linux is a great OS, but i wish it's adherents cease bashing all other alternatives. see Bigrovar's post above for an example. Not even Linus Thorvalds trash talks others commercial OSes out there.

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This debate about Linux and windows has always been and would probably be forever.

on a scale of ten putting them, side by side( I stand to be corrected tho) I think this is their scores.

Condition                                                                   Linux                                                         Windows

Reliability                                                                      9                                                                  6

Longetivity                                                                    8                                                                   4

Graphics                                                                      5(ubuntu xcluded)                                         7

Flexibility                                                                      8                                                                    5

User friendliness                                                          5                                                                    8

                                                                                   ___                                                                ___

Total                                                                            35                                                                  30

So it's pretty obvious who is better let's stop judging based on just one criteria let's look inward

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Ironically.

But the fact always remains that linux works for different ppl in different ways. I dont use it often because most of the things i need, linux does'nt have. I use linux sometimes and it just crashes or the screen freezes. Windows is vulnerable. Thats no news. We've been dealing with that for years.

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Understanding linux for newbies can be a little stressful. Thats another reason why their are a few of linux guys round.

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yeah windows is not all that bad , infact windows is superior to linux, especially when it comes to spywares,trogans and the likes, also the design on the kernel is so cool that it doesnt just crash on u, it allows u to click ok , and u don't have to bother about , instability and slow downs, and drm, , they come bundled with the os , including a special fixture called The blue screen of death, and if u use vista , then u have the luxury of having 90% of your system resources been used up by the system,

the guys that designed the gui felt that it was soo cool that u did not need to customize it to your taste, so the gui is not customizable, but if u insist on customization then prepare to shell out cash to buy third party programs like windows blind, which in addition to adding style to your system would also enhence the slowness,

yeah its a windows world, and windows rock

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U said it all mayne. . .

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Humans are not perfect so what we make is the same. Still puts windows to shame.

Most PC problems are caused by the user. There is no need at all for vista at this time. More mem, eye candy and dx10 is what I recall. dx10 hack for xp is out or will be soon. I just wish they would fix XP! But its MS and instead of fixing xp they release a new OS and charge us double the xp price. Then they say "vista only has half as many problems as xp when first released" and "took 10,000 people 5 yrs to create vista".  I don't see how thats even close to a 100,000,000 hr product. Sound good and some will take the bait.

Linux has a steeper learning curve than windows. Uses less resources and very stable. Not hard, just everything is new and unfamiliar. Network setup can be a pain depending on distro. The com line is where many shy away. Learning the basic commands is not that bad. Kinda reminds me os dos x C+ on the juice. File structure takes some getting used to. Biggest drawback is driver, or lack of any. If PC was made in the last yr don't waste you time. Older HW, 2 yrs+, will usually be supported. Check the list of supported hardware. Linux is not for gaming. Great for servers. Boot from CD, no HD and runs fine.

Just DL a Bootable img to play with without removing xp(I assume). Create a multi boot options drive to run both from same drive. Understand this and know how? PClinux is good for 1st timers. UBUNTU is also good.

DL here. If a gamer get supergamer otherwise get big daddy.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pclinuxos

pclinux video

How to guides for linux

http://www.howtoforge.com/image/tid/42

Best OS I've used this year is by far the MAC! Like Linux the lack of HW support is an issue.

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Linux is relatively problem free if you're using it to run a server. It's reliable and consistent.

For simple tasks like word processing, software development, and data processing, it's perfect.

But for gaming and support for all the features the latest hardware, Windows is far superior.

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Nice one bigrovar,

Good riddance to bad rubbish

I think wot has to be done is to male all these windows freaks buy the original softwares for their PCs then they would know the worth of open source

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