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Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba?

Why is it that egun people from badagry speak yoruba but claim they are not yoruba. If they are not yoruba, what language is their tribal identity?. The same thing goes for aworis?. Clarify please.

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I am a very good friend of the Yorubas. I am an authority in Yoruba worldview and hence, has helped a lot of Yoruba people realise whom they are.

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In actuality, the Egun people are not yoruba. Their language is Egun which is similar to Ewe language spoken in Benin and parts of Togo. The Egun language is more 'eweid' than 'Yorubaid'. Some Egun people speak Yoruba just as Okrika people speak Igbo but are not Igbo.

The Aworis claim early link with Benin, however, they are Yorubas in today's Nigerian context.

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@negro nts

But if Lamurudu is a cushite from Ethiopia, then it means he cannot be an Arab. This is because Arabs are supposed to be descendants of Shem and not Ham.

Can you please clarify this or alternatively when you say Arab do u mean Arab by blood or Arab by just language.

If the story of Lamurudu coming from the region of Cush is true, then that would explain why Yorubas and Binis seem to be quite developed compared to the other ethnic groups of their ancient times. It was like the Bini and Yorubas had a developmental advantage of some sorts over others hence why it was probably easier for them to dominate others during those times.

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Yoruba is the correct spelling to all Yoruba people, but outsiders sometimes called it Yoruba.

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tpia , i cannot move out of the thread , just because of someone else view. am a freethinker. so i was not bothered, is just that i come to Lagos to do somethings, but i will try to post tomorrow. am using cafee now unlike b4 when am in school with my pc.

Whatever anyone like Yoruba oyoroba or yoruba na dem sabi. see you later to continue.

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because some people hate not being the center of attention.

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why cant u guys get back 2 d topic instead of exchanging words.

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Tpia,

no, hot debates and arguments like that are norm on Nairaland. Generally, we have a lot of people on this forum and they are very well educated with good jobs and income, but that's all they are. They lack vision and imagination, their abilities to ponder on possibilities, to ask penetrating questions is very limited. They earned their degrees and put on the brakes, happy to unburden the mind of that great task to which all citizens who desire Greatness for their homeland must aspire to uphold. We spend too many hours here counteracting one another's position with theories and claims that does nothing to advance our collective needs and interests.

I was getting infected with the bug, from hanging around those elements too long I noticed that my own posts were beginning to exhibit those attributes of "book wise, knowledge shallow", so this is why I took off for a while.

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I can tell you about yours too. What are u?

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Egun people are Babylonians not Yoruba. They simply mixed up with them.

Ijebu people are really Yoruba not Yoruba

Itsekiri are not Yoruba they are descendants of Ijaw fishermen. They are more Yoruba not Yoruba at all at all.

I know the history like the back of my palm guys.

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Tpia,

I stayed away to protect my sanity from people that have eyes and ears and mind but are philosophically blind, deaf and dumb! You know what I'm talking about. lol!

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I am aware of several scholarly articles of which I have no obligations to list for you (or anyone else). However, I will take your suggestions under advisement.

I am quite clear on the meaning of 'oral legends', though I doubt you know the difference between a myth and a legend, nor the relative relevance of references to either.

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Tpia, long time! How have you been?

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@@@ post

there are yorobos and yorabas!!

read your history well folks

peace out

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Na wa for all these speculation on Yoruba origin without a single reference to corroborate any of the versions.

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tpia thanx for your responds,  do you know that the Ijebu share boundary with Ondo state at a point called Abigi which otherwise called Ijebu water-side, this area is riverine area.Its should be noted that Ondo state is the only state that seperate the Ijebu from the benin people, and also delta is part of old bendel state. The Ijebus must have embark on a journey for various reasons which takes them through ondo-land through benin to another riverine area now called delta, which is similar terrain to where they are coming from,and not all Ijebuland are riverine, but just abigi alone. pls try to make enquirie from itsekiri people about there origin and understudy Ijebu language and that of itsekiri, the you will be able to compare and contrast. the only diffrerent you are likely to notice is due to change of environments and the fact that they have mixed up with another race.hey! do know that olu of itsekiri land is called Atunwase1, which is a chieftancy title in Ijebuland, particularly Ijebu-Ode.

    More so, I want you to know that Oduduwa didn't get to Yorubaland with anybody, he came here alone.or do you see any traces of Arabo in Yoruba man? or any Arabo culture because countries like saudi-Arabia, Iran,Iraq e.t.c have similar culture.

     On the issue of who tell ifa to forcast the future, Please is Ifa is not a human being but the words of God given to Orumila the progenitor of Yoruba wisdom. Orumila is the first crowned King and this makes him be chief king and chief priest in the whole of Yoruba Kingdom, after his death yorubas have been using his wisdom(ifa) to know how choose a king or baale, its is this process we use to know who will be like Orumila , but ifa promise us that a man that odu ti oda wiwa ati iwa ti yoruba  l'da( mean secret force that creat existence and good behaviour of the yoruba created him as well) which we later abbreviated to mean oduduwa. that is how oduduwas became king(chief king and priest) of the whole of yoruba kingdom. hope you now get it. i will be waiting to respond to your criticism.

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Negro_ntns,

you have really done a good job and reseach trying to tell us some information about important issues concerning the yoruba people, but please you still need more reseach.

Egun as yoruba: the Egun are yoruba from every ramnification, they speaks their own version of yoruba language. it should be noted that all yorubas comprising the Oyos, Egba,Ijebus,Ekiti,Ondo,Owu,Ife e.t.c have there various local version of yoruba language, but prior to intra-ethnic war that occur throughout the yorubaland which makes Oyo to subjugate most yoruba kingdom under her control makes yoruba Oyo the lingual-franca in yorubaland,and when we started putting things on paper, the first books to be written in yoruba language was by Oyo man( Ajayi Crowther) who wrote it in yoruba Oyo Language.

Mind you, the itsekiri people are not in anyway a kingdon(state), they are Ijebus, they migrated out of Ijebu-Ode to there current position, and later mixed up with other ethnic group that is totally diverse to yoruba which make everything about them changed. If you have good understanding of Ijebu, you will understand whatever they are saying.

OMOLUABI: You try to potray your point by saying that omoluabi simply means or likely to mean omo nuah bi which is not true, even the yoruba people dont know Noah talkless of talking about the destruction of the earth with rain. omoluabi simply means omo olu abi which means that someone who worth been a leader, i.e that is someone of unquestionable character, and not omo noah bi.

ORIGIN OF YORUBA: The people of Yoruba didn't migrated from any where, we have been here since creation. a good evidence is the archeological evidence of human bone discover in Ondo state which is 10,000yrs old and the next to it is the one discovered in kenya . it should be noted that coming of Oduduwa from mecca to Yorubaland does not mean that the yoruba people come with him. his aramaic name is mohammed , it was after he came to yorubaland that we gave in Oduduwa( Odu da iwa or Oodua) base on what Ifa tells us since we have been searching for someone who will be chief king and chief priest in Yorubaland after thousands of year that Orumila have died,and Ifa promise us that when its time the irumole will lead a man who descedend from heaven but brought up by an hunter the bible called nimrod,quaran--lamrud which yoruba later transform to lamurudu.it should be noted that Oduduwa meet the yoruba here and he was able to bring and keep us together as united kingdom. The yorubaland covered area from kwara state,Nupe in Niger state,Kogi state,some minority part in benue state,down to delta state.whole of the area is called Ile-Ife with capital city in Otu-ife which now call ile-ife due to lack of understanding. the emergence of more kingdom within the yorubaland brought about the call for there independent state . please note that majority of this kingdom have ile before their individual identity as state e.g Owu -Ile, Eko-Ile,Orile-Egba ,Oyo-Ile e.t.c to show that the whole of Yorubaland is called Ile-Ife which is popularly called Ife Odaye, but the remain of Ile-Ife with the real identity is now called Ife Ooye. Hey! do you know that Modakeke is ife, but because the people want there own independent, they dont want that part to be address as ife not anymore.

ORIGIN OF NAME YORUBA:The name yoruba originated with Oduduwa.the fact that Oduduwa is regarded as an idol worshiper ,and his understand about oririsa is totally diffrerent from that of nimrod. when islam emerge he didn't agree with them because he understand what he is doing more than anybody as a result was tagged yaruba( i.e some having evil in him which we later change with knowledge of ifa.

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I read somewhere that prior to the 19th century only a handful of people we refer to as Yorubas right now actually called themselves Yorubas and there were some ethnic groups within our present day Yorubaland that'll fight you if you dared call them Yorubas.

Is it true it was arabs/Muslims that coined the name Yoruba ?

Wow

so Yorubas are generally descendants of Arabs from what you say.

One learns something new everyday.

. . .The story of Lamurudu beaing a man of Eastern origin is true.  He emigrated from Ethiopia.  Now did every Yoruba emigrated with him and are of Eastern origin?  NO!

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It was answered by Dayo in post #12.

The ancient Yoruba sphere of influence bordered in the north with the Gwarris, the Idomas and come around in circle to the Igbos in the East and down to the Kalabris and the Ishons in the South.

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@Negro, you didn't answer my question:

What of Akoko-ikale/Akoko Edo? Are they also yorubas because some of them call themselves Akokos and not yorubas?

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of course they are yoruba,and the reason why they claim they are not is the same reason every other tribe are trying to carve out their individual identies, sense of identity and independence, calling themselves yoruba will project a notion of subservience to yoruba culture at the expense of theirs

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http://www.africastyles.com/blackhistory/yoruba_history2.html

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lmao, Bgees, you are right, this is expanding past the original post of Awori and Egun and gaining momentum about origin of Lamurudu and Biblical reference; very interesting!

Dayo, consider this. . .

What language is Nimrod's name written in? Here is why I asked.

ENGLISH/Hebrew ARABIC

Joseph = Yussuff

David = Dawud

Mary/Marianne = Maryam

Sheba = Bilqis

John = Yahya

Michael = Mikail

Benjamin = Binyamin

Solomon = Sulaiman

is it possible that. . .

Nimrod = Marud ?

Also, you quoted that Cush begat Nimrod. Well, I don't know if Nimrod is the same person as Lamarudu but I know Lamurudu was a Cushite from Axum and knowing that the Cushites descended from Ham, I am led to believe that we are speaking of same person, hunter, farmer, fisherman, or whatever he is.

Well, who were the Cushites?

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The Cushites, descending from Ham built Axum in Ethiopia, where I mentioned Lamarudu emigrated from. The Cushites included an ethnic group called OROMO and they spoke the oromo language also called oromiffa. There is a obelisk in the courtyard of the Ooni of Ife's spiritual shrine and it was said to have been there since the time of Oranmiyan and is called the staff of Oranmiyan. There are certain things I won't reveal about the staff but I will say this, that staff is the connecting dot between Ife and Axum.

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To point to another reference, when a person is obedient and humble our elders will praise them as "Omoluabi". Correctly stated, it is "Omonuabi" or "Omo Nua bi" or 'Omo Noah bi"; meaning the child begotten of Noah but more symbolically to denote the obedient character as a trait from Noah's lineage. But why would idol worshippers who have gods like Shango, Ogun, Oya, Yemoja and so on know of Noah and reverence him? I am yet to find another culture in sub-saharan Africa that does that beside the Yorubas. In sub-saharan Africa, you had to read the Bible or the Quran to know about Noah and this must have either happened when Islam was introduced by Dan Fodio and the Arab traders or when the European missionaries invaded and brought missionaries with them to educate us on Christianity. Yorubas had been using the term "Omoluabi" long before new religions arrived so they had knowledge of Noah from other source. That source was genealogy and spiritual cults.

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The rituals of Ifa and that of Islam is parallel. I won't say some things here in reference to Ifa other than to say that when you look at Hajj pilgrimage and the sacrifice of the lamb on Mount Arafat, it is exactly the same ritual steps in Ifa initiation and we knew Ifa before Islam was introduced in Yorubaland. So where is the connection from? It had to date back to shrine rituals in the Arab customs and would give credence to the fact that Yorubas are in fact Ya Arabs. Just remember that it was a total different Arab back then than the one you have today.

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What of Akoko-ikale/Akoko Edo? Are they also yorubas because some of them call themselves Akokos and not yorubas?

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Noo Calabars are not Igbos They are different

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Are Calabars Igbo? Just asking ni o

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Negro Nts

Did you knw about the story of Nimrod? How did you compare the name Nimrod to Lamurudu

How would you pronounce Nimrod in Yoruba? SOmething close to Lamurudu right

Do you remember the Yoruba myth about Oduduwa coming to earth meeting everywhere covered with flood?

Nimrod was a descendant of Ham, And it is said African tribes descended from Ham, Nimrod was a great ruler somewhere Lamurudu Oduduwas father was a great ruler and hunter in the Mid east.

http://www.africastyles.com/blackhistory/yoruba_history2.html

Genesis chapter 10 vs 8-9.

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Dayo, I agree with your response.

Osisi,

The etymology of the name "Yoruba" can be traced to the Arabic or Arhamaic language. I am not too good in referencing posts, I would have referred to you the post in which I discussed your question. Let's look at Yoruba and the believed founder of the tribe, Lamurudu.

The word Yoruba was used to refer to a people that emigrated from an Arab culture. As you head North and encounter different languages its pronounciation gets closer to "Ya Arab". Ya Arab stand for the "Children of Arab" or "People of Arab" or "Descent of Arab".

The Hausas call Yoruba "Bayarabe". They call Arabs, "Balarabe" . Sometimes they will say "Yarabawa" for Yoruba and "Larabawa" for Arab. Who were the Arabs at the time of Lamurudu arriving in Ife? They were idol worshippers who believed in gods. Lamurudu brought that tradition to Ife and instituted it as the religion of the Yorubas. The Arab land covered all along the eastern edge of Africa to the horn by Somalia and into Yemen and up into what today is Saudi Arbia. Lamurudu was an Arab of Axum descent. Axum was in what is now Ethiopia. Yorubas are not the only Arabian migrants to current Nigeria. The Shuwa Arabs are too. They are found in Adamawa and Borno and they are of Sudan descent.

To explain Lamurudu (Oduduwa's father), let's look at two names; Abdul Hamid and Al Amin. When pronounced in Yoruba, the first becomes Lamidi and the second Lamina. There are people today in Yorubaland called Lamidi and Lamina and if you tell them its correctly spelled Abdul Hamid and Al Amin they will dispute it. Using this analogy, Lamurudu would be something like Al Marud. Lamurudu has no translation in Yoruba language, it is widely acknowledged that its a foreign name.

The story of Lamurudu beaing a man of Eastern origin is true. He emigrated from Ethiopia. Now did every Yoruba emigrated with him and are of Eastern origin? NO!

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Is it true it was arabs/Muslims that coined the name Yoruba ?

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The fact is that they all speak variation of the same language but they view themselves as indivuals states e.g Ijasha, Ekiti, Igbajo, Oyo, Egba etc.

Now in this age, they have all been brought together under te same umbrella of Yorubas

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I read somewhere that prior to the 19th century only a handful of people we refer to as Yorubas right now actually called themselves Yorubas and there were some ethnic groups within our present day Yorubaland that'll fight you if you dared call them Yorubas.

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No. They were not POWs. The POWs on both sides became slaves if they were commoners but exchanged on negotiated terms if they were of titled positions. Their land became colony or annex seats of military frontier like a garrison to guarantee their security against other empires like Songhay.

In this modern time Oyo Empire is no longer in existence but the Yoruba Nation is still integral with its seven states. Anyone that cannot trace their ancestry back to one of these states is not of Yoruba tribe or nationality but can claim Yoruba citizenship on account of the accord made between Oyo and their indigene land. I should emphasize that Alaafin deposed some of these Kings and installed a Yoruba son as King over them. In those lands, it may be hard to distinguish who is Yoruba and who is not although the descendants of the Yoruba King and other helpers that migrated along with him may now be speaking Egun and unknowingly disclaiming Yoruba. Add to that the multi cutural marriages and offsprings and the Yoruba blood is greatly diluted. Nonetheless, at the higher hierarchy of society, allegiance to Yoruba is still present and very strong. This will be visible when either Alaafin of Oyo or Ooni of Ife dies and these former colonies send emissaries to pay homage as was done in thos ancient times.

MAY ALAAFIN LIVE LONG, MAY THE CROWN SUSTAIN, MAY HIS FOOT JEWELS SUSTAIN.

MAY OONI LIVE LONG, MAY THE CROWN OF ODUDUWA SUSTAIN, MAY HIS FOOT JEWELS SUSTAIN, MAY THE ANCESTORS STAND BY HIM.

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Aloy,

Another great example of conquest and mixed origin is in Epetedo area of Lagos Island. I don't know, are you familiar with Island and the metro area?

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I forgot to say of the Eguns. . .

Badagry (Agbadaigi) and all the way to Cotonou in Republic of Benin was the land of the Egun. Due to inter tribal wars, the Fon, Egun, Ewe and some other neighboring tribes were conquered by Oyo and were made to pay tax and homage to Alaafin. Under the Imperial power of Oyo the Eguns were guaranteed security under Yoruba sovereignty and this is how they became Yoruba citizens even though their Nationality is not Yoruba.

To clarify, consider an Irish American whose great great grandfather migrated to USA in the 1800s. That person is considered a citizen of America but on census form they will be counted as White of European ancestry or Nationality.

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A lot of people do not have accurate information and knowledge about their indigenous land and ethnicity. This is partly due to the syllabus of tutoring in our schools. Another problem is that children raised by parents that lacked the information themselves end up believing in propaganda and rumored information that may be contrary to their true origin.

Yoruba was a Nation comprising of seven major States and within those States you had distinct native land and dialects but all of whom are nationally Yorubas. So you have the Oyos, Egbas, Ijebus, Aworis, Ijeshas, Itsekiris, and so on and so forth. . . Unlike the Egbas and the Ijebus, the Aworis did not have adversaries and so a prominence that would have resulted from fighting a war was otherwise supressed by their fame for peaceful cohabitation with neighboring natives. Lagos Island (Erekusi or Eko) was their nativeland and they were traditionally farmers and fishermen. Idunmota, Idunshagbe, Idungaran, Idunmagbo, Iduntafa. . . these were all Awori farmlands.

The Aworis were ruled by an Olofin. The present day Idejo Chiefs in Lagos had Awori ancestry.

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the egu are not yoruba, but the aworis are.

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The Egun have their own distinct language though most Yoruba

Have you watched Egun news(Lin-lin) on LTV before? I bet no one understands what they are trying to say.

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Seriously, do they have a language of their own?

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