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Do You Have The Right To Accuse Me Of Being Westernized?

I ask this because:

1. You live in a country created by a White man.

2. You struggle to speak the language of the White man.

3. You worship the god of the White man.

4. You make use of objects invented by the White man.

5. The ideals and forms of liberty you enjoy today were theorized by the White man

Tell me, after all these, how can you still call me a westernized person and claim to be more African than me?

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I am not too sure about that, some of the music and TV shows are indeed very westernized that you won't even believe it. You would think it is being done in America....

Not only that, I find it funny when I come across an African who tries their best to imitate a British or French accent as if it makes them look better. All it makes them look like are sell-outs.

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This is funny brother cause I have a different point of view towards Nigeria! I truly believe Nigerian culture is showcased.. and everywhere

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Yah Cameroon is definitely more traditional than Nigeria even though we are neighbours. It's funny. For example there are so many Fulani known musicians in Cameroon, and there are none in Nigeria. Cameroon embraces their African cultures, Nigerians shy away from theirs.

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Good evening dear lol, well you are correct, although Western countries music is quite different (like RnB) which seems to be the in thing in a lot of African countries today. Whatever happened to true traditional music done on Kontigi (1 string guitar-like instrument in Hausa), Kalangu (talking drum in Hausa), Goge (1 string violin). Most Nigerians in my age group 18 - 34 have no idea what those things are if they grow up in a Westernized lifestyle. Look at a lot of Hausa people today they are singing with Auto-tune in their music and borrowing words from other languages like Hindi. I'm a Fulani, and many Fulani are forgetting how to speak their language. I find that quite disgraceful. To me Nayah, this is unacceptable. Traditional dances, traditional music, traditional marriages, traditional folklore, etc. etc. should never disappear, for if they disappear then we have lost ourselves as African people. That is why I admire some countries like Mali, Niger, Chad, etc. they keep their culture(s) strong. Their folklore and music remains the same/similar to thousands of years ago.

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Good day dear...lol actually "Westernized" is a big word because some people can know their cultue but their parents have never talked to them in their native language but meanwhile they share African values ( respect, education ...) I thnik every single family has its background and past so that it's quite difficult to judge. Plus, it depends on the relation you have with your country if you've never been there ....I've jeard a lot of brothers talking about "westernized people" without knowing that from the moment you're listening to "Western countries" music you might be labelled as one ( westernized).

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Good morning/afternoon dear, Yes Those who can not speak their language but have never been to Western countries are still Westernized, you don't have to be living in the West to be Westernized. Being Westernized is a learned behaviour. People get it from listening to Western music and allowing their own music to sound Western (like a lot of Nigerian music today).

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This is a nice thread though relatively old. Just subscribing.

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Good morning...my point is that I think no one can mesure how "African" someone could be or not, and I think it's quite ( and I'm non offense because I do know the most important things about my culture) dangerous to want to labelled people as "westerner" because of some subjective criterias. I repeat dear, being African is not only knowing how to speak your language, not only wear African clothes: how about those who don't know how to cook ( and they are more than you think..) while they've never been to "Western countries" or do not speak their language in Africa, are they also "Westernized" ?

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I didn't say anything about being born in a different culture makes you Westernized. I said that those who don't know their language are Westernized, those who try to be everything that embodies the western world are Westernized. Being an African means you don't try to act like a European/American/Westerner. Which means you don't go trying to be of another culture when you are African. When you speak French, do you try to say everything with an accent of the particular French region you are in (yes there are many French accents, but do you speak with a French accent of the region you live in).

No offense was taken, but you know you are Westernized if you are. Those who don't want to have anything to do with their culture are definitely Westernized.

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see how person dey revive post

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I disagree...I mean how people could measure or judge who's more "African" than the others? I think this is a bit arrogant, non offese. I was born and live in France but I understand my language, I do know my culture and how to cook Cameroonian dishes, but when I go to visit my family t will be different, because they see you as different that's simple. Even though you're proud of your roots you can't be like your relatives out there but it doesn't mean you're westernize! come on! please don't think that being African is living in this part of the World ( Africa) while some of them who sometimes have money don't know how to cook or fix their clothers because they have housemaid! So please balance your statement brother, don't jump on conclusions so fast

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Not every African is Westernized, the ones who do not speak their native tongue are definitely westernized. The ones who listen mainly to Western/American music are definitely Westernized. The ones who tend to grow up in the big cities are definitely westernized, the ones who try to be as much of a coconut as possible are definitely Westernized. The ones who have forgotten the old ways or tradition are definitely Westernized. The ones who use vulgar language and bad words are definitely Westernized. The ones who listen to modernized music in English are definitely Westernized. The list can go on and on.

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you must be one of those people who think if your not black your white.  there are sooo many other groups other then black and white.  [/color]

1. You live in a country created by a White man. 

2. You struggle to speak the language of the White man.  [color=#006600]Mediterranean actually

3. You worship the god of the White man.  Arab

4. You make use of objects invented by the White man.  Oriental/white/asian

5. The ideals and forms of liberty you enjoy today were theorized by the White man  Mediterranean

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I have never been accused as westernized. I think that is becuase when I am among nigerian/igbo people, I treat them the way they want to be treated. If I am dealing with white people, I treat them they wan to be treated too. this really comes natural to me now.

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you dont seem that westernized to me.

maybe to others sha.

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Exactly. I'd really like to know why there is this fear of something different which is immediately labelled as evil and from the white man.

Can't we just accept that people change and can't always be the same?

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Don't think that's what they should base such things on, a person may glorify what the so called 'white man' does because he/she agrees with it, whether he/she is african, asian or whatnot, I mean, some whites have glorified what some africans do but that does not make them Africanised abi?

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Their basis for saying someone is westernized they claim is "gloriying whatever the white man does",

Those points I listed above are a few and they are glorified. Why do they glorify those things yet claim others are sold out?

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I think being westernized it more of a 'the way you think and approach things' kind of thing, not neccesarily that they live in a white man's country sort of thing etc

For example, one may do all those things but in terms of the way he/she thinks and approcahes things, he/she is the most conc african etc etc there is

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Since I am the accused I could list some of my characteristics that make people claim I am westernized although I think they are just traits of my personality.

1. I separate morality and legacy. They are not always compatible (this has cost me a lot of abuse from moralizers)

2. I believe in equal chances of expression (moralists don't like this)

3. I am an individualist. The society to me is regulated by ideals not by laws, so an individual in moral issues has always got the final word (please remember my initial distinction between legacy and morality)

- I firmly believe in the revaluation of the traditional roles. Consequence is breaking the chains with tie people down and deprive them of the ideal condition and freedom to make decisions without social prejudices.

- I am selfish and support the principle of self-conservation. So I am not so prone to that forgiveness which is instilled in us right from childhood. As for me, the well being of a single person is more important than the well being of a group ethically speaking (politically I believe the majority must prevail)

etc, there are more but I can only think of these now. I think as we get on with the discussion, I'll bring out more.

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Hmm, I believe that there is a difference between following the 'white man's' rules and being westernized. If you are living in a white man's country, you will need to adapt to their culture in certain ways and also follow their rules, it's their country after all, but that does not mean you are neccesarily 'westernized', but then again, what is your exact definition of being 'westernized'?

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Is There A Such Thing As Being Too Americanized?

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-145545.0.html

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This question directed at one particular person or are you asking generally?

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