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Is Is Possible To A Lagosian Igbo?

I have a friend always says that if she asked, she will say she is from Lagos even though her parents are Igbo. She speaks Igbo and Yoruba but she says she feel more like a Lagosian than some one from Enugu. I have no problems with but she gets a lot of stick from her extended family when they visit.

My question is this, do you think it is normal, ok, for someone whose parents are from another state to identify with their state of birth than their state of origin?

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This is not true. Molue and danfo drivers understand English. Most might not be fluent with it but they do communicate with pidgin English.

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anybody born ,bred or resident in lagos is a lagosian afterall 80% of the families there came from somewhere else.

Is Fashola's family from Lagos state originally?

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It's nice to read what you all think on the matter but I really do think that if you were born there or have lived there for a substantial amount of years, you have all the right to be Lagosian I do not know what the big controversy is,

Although a majority of those born in Lagos do speak Yoruba, you have to understand that it depends where it is you were born. Maybe if you're from Eko or A.J. or the rougher parts of the state, (this is just me positing my own theory, I beg no chop my head off o) there is a bigger possibility but the Aje bota children are not as likely to to be conversant in Yoruba (or their own mother tongue for that matter), they might understand it but I am not sure they'll be able to hold a conversation in it.

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it is abt time for us to mix up in nigeria. claim where you're born or claim where you grew up.

until we do that, there will always be problem of mine mine mine in nigeria.

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@Tpia

Not entirely correct.I have cousins that were brn and brought up in lagos that cannot speak yoruba but can understand it when spoken.I went to a unity secondary school and i met some people like that.

There is a character in nairaland called ghettochyk that was born and brought up in lagos that cannot speak yoruba.maybe you can ask her how possible was that.

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But honestly i dont even get you. You just said you considered yourself a citizen of Lagos and now you say igbo people can't claim lagos. Contradictory is it not? Trust me if you do something great for the people of Lagos you will be claimed as "omo wa".

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I feel it's only when you roll with a certain caliber of people that you get to learn yoruba or if you live in certain places.

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Stop confusing yourself, Asha answered your question by telling you that lagos is a yoruba state traditionally. So no one can claim lagos as an Igbo state.

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Haba Afam when did i say that? But no i'm not from Lagos, at least my fathers half isnt. But i do consider myself a lagosian after all i was born there and feel very at home there. You too can but not if you dont think its important to acknowledge the original inhabitants of Eko. Infact Afam i'm sure u wish we'd all drop dead and die(see how i put words into ur mouth, its not nice is it). Anyways Afam Omo Enugu it does seem u like lagos alot ooh, So fe di Oba abi Governor ni? lol

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If u did social studies in high school then you should have known that there are different kinds of citizenship.

Citizen by Birth, by naturalization, by marraige etc.  I wasn't born in lagos but have lived here since 1996 so i consider my self a dual citizen of Lagos and Enugu.

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@Olutoye

I am not confused and l know what i wrote.I was replying Tpia.When i said primordal sentiments did i state anywhere restricting the phenomenom to lagos?I never stated that it NOT IMPORTANT to learn how to speak yoruba.What i said is that it can happen.

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@ Olutoye

Are u even from lagos. So someone who is from Oyo can claim to be a lagosian, but someone from enugu can't, now that's sick.

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lol, its gone from can an igbo person be a lagosian to primordial sentiments. Asha you seem confused. You want an igbo person to be considered a lagosian but you dont think its important to be able to speak yoruba or understand it for that matter. No one is fighting igbo people Asha. Igbo people can be lagosians after all the Murray Bruces and Ibru's are considered Lagos families arent they? And their certainly not yoruba!

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I have only seen one hausa person that claimed to be from a state that is not hausa.That state is actually abia.I think he became a councilor in one of the local goverments there.Also there are lots of hausa in onitsha that can even speak better igbo than me.This is how the country is supposed to be but our primordal sentiments will never allow for such.

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I think thats your point. And if it is i'll say true,my church would be a very good example of that. I can count the yoruba families on one hand. But then that must be to the glory of Lagos. What was once an inconsequential place even amongst the Yoruba people is now the chief cornerstone of Nigeria.

Eko o ni baje!

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@Olutoye

Are you sure you are understanding my point?I said lagos is traditionally yorubaland.However the no of non yorubas living there is very large if compare with people who are actually yorubas.There are LOTS of places you will go to lagos and you as a yoruba will become a minority and such places are not as much in other nigerian cities.I repeat nobody is claiming that lagos is not yorubaland.

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If language is the only way to determine the make up of a city, then the queen of England must have authority over each and every city in Nigeria and beyond

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Asha you dont seem to get my point. So does the point you just made make Abia a less igbo city? And if it does, wat kind of city would Abia then be?

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@olutoye

You can live anambra,imo,enugu,abia and even ebonyi without really knowing how to speak igbo although i wish the reverse was the case.Ask anyone who served there.Some people might not be able to speak english but if you speak it or pigdeon believe me they will understand what you are saying.

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Speaking and understanding are two different things.Where did i state NOT UNDERSTANDING?

My dear nobody is transferring lagos to east or north.Mind you london is not a good example as the lingua franca in london is english.Lingua franca in lagos is english Because i do not need to learn how to speak yoruba to survive in lagos unlike maybe ibadan.

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I truly doubt that, you might not be fluent but you will understand it especially if they(yoruba people) are abusing you. I know the most ajebota children who will pretend not to speak or understand yoruba but God help the house maid or driver who abuses them in yoruba. And multicultarlism means nothing. London is a multicultural city, i can walk the streets of south london and feel at home hearing yoruba and pidgin. It still will not change the fact that it is an english city, not scottish nor irsh nor welsh but english. Same with Lagos, people need to stop this silly insinuations. Lagos is a Yoruba city! And that is final.

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@Olutoye

Lagos is traditionally yorubaland no doubt.All i am saying is that it has become so multicultural that it is possible to grow there without knowing how to speak yoruba.

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@ Asha

So let me see if i understand you because they can't speak yoruba means lagos isnt yoruba? So what kind of city is Lagos Asha?

So i i go to kingston(jamaica) and cant speak patois, kingston must then not be a jamaican city? Or better yet if i live in Hong Kong and only speak in English, then hong kong isnt in China or a chinese city?

Is that your point Asha?

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@Tpia

If u know amuwo odofin well you will understand what i am saying.If you are in that place you might think you in the east.I have met a few people who grew up there.

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Lol, no they will understand English but not be able to speak it fluently. I worked with a guy like that once.

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@Olutoye

Do you agree that you live all your life in lagos without knowing how to speak yoruba?i can give you some areas in lagos where it is possible.

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On the issue of being a lagosian igbo(wat a silly expression) yes obviously. And @ Afam4eva if you dont equate lagos with Yoruba, wat do you then equate it with? Igbo? Hausa?

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Afam, why do you always get your back up when someone mentions Lagos? I do agree that you do not have to speak Yoruba to be a Lagosian,

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@ all

Why are you equating Lagos with yoruba.

You can be a lagosian without knowing how to speak yoruba.

How can a yoruba person leaving in the north deny his yoruba heritage because he grew up in the north.You can claim to be sokotolite(or whatever) without being hausa.

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You with your therads about how Igbos are trying to claim lagos.

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That's interesting, I definitely think that the person has a right to claim the identity he feels most comfortable with. It's just facsinating.

So your friend is free to claim Lagos if he feels more like a Lagosian.

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There are hundreds of Yoruba in the north who will tell you they are from Sokoto, Zamfara or Kebbi states. They claim to be Hausa

They were born and bred there. Some still speak Yoruba fluently, some can't speak it fluently. Some understand and can speak Yoruba but don't like to speak it so as to gain acceptance among their Hausa friends. This was another amazement I came across in my service year in Sokoto. Yoruba claiming Hausa, and pretending not to understand Yoruba. One instance: I was in an eatery one day in Sokoto University Medical school campus. There was this lady sitting in my front. One guy, a friend of hers, was speaking to her in Yoruba but she was replying in English. After the guy left I asked her whether she was Yoruba and she told me she was Hausa, that just stayed with 'them'(Yoruba) and that was why she understands Yoruba. Her dressing, and intonation(both in English and Hausa) were plainly Hausaesque, so I was left in no doubt that she was actually Hausa.

But still curious, a couple of days later, I met the Yoruba guy again at the canteen and asked him whether the lady she was speaking with two days ago was Yoruba or Hausa. He told me she was a Yoruba girl. I was very surprised. So somebody can deny being a Yoruba, claiming Hausa for that matter.

I later met many of them like that; they are Yoruba but born and bred in the north, so feel more comfortable and acceptable claiming Hausa. I met two other guys that I heard were Yoruba, but claim Hausa. One didn't know I knew but the other knew and spoke Yoruba(smattering, not fluent) tome whenever there was noboby with us, especially ladies. For the other one, I didn't want to burst his bubble, so I also pretended as if I didn't know he was Yoruba, so I spoke English to him always.

So your friend is free to claim Lagos if he feels more like a Lagosian.

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Well her situation just got me thinking, I think it is wonderful if people are free to identify with where they feel comfortable as opposed to having an identity imposed in them. Her case is just odd because she is so adamant in saying she is a Lagosian of Igbo descent.

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To the above poster, I do not have a problem with it but her uncle gives her hell about it every time. To me, there is nothing abnormal about it, I'd just like to get other people's view on it.

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The problem is that we have not yet embraced state of birth instead we are still interested in what ethnic group he or she is from.

(1) Can she she say she wants to governor of lagos state without people reminding her that she is igbo even if she does not know how to speak igbo but is very fluent in yoruba?

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I think so too but it seems to be controversial in some quarter though I do not understand why.

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It is very possible.

To many people in this day and age, the 'state of origin' thing is only relevant on forms and applications, or if you need to be allocated something based on 'national quota'.

an Igbo person can definitely claim to be a Lagosian, and it is very normal and ok to do so.

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nagos nagos. everyone always claim to come from nagos. we are all not nagosians. some of us are from nameless vilage

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