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What Is Your Take On Homosexualism?

I live in a country where homosexuality is legally accepted. Even though it is accepted legally lots of people still frown on it and believe it is wrong morally or otherwise. Personally, I believe we all have a right of choice but do you think it is morally wrong and where do you think it stands in our culture as Africans particularly as Nigerians

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The sexual intimacy between a man and a women is the insurance for the survival of human race, that is why in every culture and race on earth their is a marriage institution with recognition or benefits.

Its is so wrong on the mundane level for any one who is not married in the context of assuring our procreation to demand to have these benefits, just like single people can not enjoy these benefits, a man who decided to frolic with a fellow mans focal places should not consider his relationship marriage, or force me and other members of the society to accept it as such. Of course he or she is free to frolic with whichever consenting adult as he or she wishes, but asking me to call them a couple is he or she leaving his/her own life to try to interfere with mine.

So called "Homosexual activist" are the ones who are actually interfering with the lives of the rest of the society. Why can't they practice what ever they want in their bedrooms without asking others to come see. Marriage is an institution defined on the perception of the third person, when you perform a marriage ceremony , it is not just for you. It is mainly for the rest of the society to accept and respect and refrain from forming new sexual relationship and other relationships that interfere with the one you have formed. These are the essential benefits or so called rights. The exclusivity of your identification with your wife and children. Your payment to the society for these exclusive benefits is ensuring that the society transcends itself by procreating. Mere friends are not given such benefits because they do not pay anything back to the society. In a like manner homosexuals are like mere friends and should not enjoy such benefits as their relationship pays nothing to the society.

In simple words, what homosexual rights activist are asking for is for the society to insure and ensure the exclusivity of their identification with their associates, irrespective of whether homosexuality is by nature or nurture, they should not have it because the society can not be performing a service for which it has no benefit. On the other long end of the issue is that if the society performs such service to homosexuals, we will surely fall into cases where the beginning such benefits marks the beginning of denial of fundamental rights to other citizens. Take the issue of adoptions rights for so called gay couples, if such a benefits is granted to gay associations on the basis that you can define your own meaning of marriage, we will be bombarding the senses of the adopted child with an unnatural relationship and hence possibly nurture the child into homosexuality without leaving the child much choice. We will also be denying the child such role models as father and mother whom children model in role plays allover the world.

Homosexuals should be free to live, works and participate in whatever they like without discrimination, as individuals or some other form of associates, but not as that specified type of association called "married couple" whose definition they do not fullfill.

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The current hardcore attitude and wave of anti-gay legislation across Africa doesn't matter too much. You don't seem to realise that history is more of a sine-wave moving towards entropy than a straight-line graph. Things get bad, then they get better,  slowly moving towards a steady state. The steady state in social policy is usually in line with the majority of other states, and relatively liberal.

In this case, there was no enshrinement of anti-gay legislation in African states before the pesky mzungu colonists came along, still in their own backward stage (deleting native religions, polyandry etc).

The current situation is caused by the rise of radical Islam and US-based Christian fundamentalism. The backlash against this has already started, and Wahhabi-style Islam and evangelist Christianity are mortal enemies and will bring each other down. Neither mad mullahs nor Pastor Poo-poo will always have the upper hand - education works against them slowly and surely. The UN and progressive citizens of the countries concerned are also against them. The courts are often more progressive than the legislature. In South Africa, after shouting, screaming and threats by religious bodies and wooden-headed 'traditionalists', the Civil Union Bill was successfully passed.  Women, gay people, the disabled, and other 'untouchables' tend to band together to demand their rights, and the solid block wins out eventually in a democracy.

We will probably end up with a position similar to Asia or South America, where due to religious sensitivities, there is no recognition of 'gay marriage' in some countries, but homosexuality is not against the law, either.

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their criticism of homos is not as harsh as that of the old school.   

old school politicians use the gay issue for moral votes.

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Majority of the new school condemn gays and will continue to condemn just like the old school.

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Thank God, many African politicians can speak out easily against it. From President of Uganda to President of Malawi.

Mugabe even said it was than pigs and dogs.

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I wonder o!

Also wondering what SAGAMITE's rant about 'gay terrorism' and the iniquities of 'the media' has to do with the reasonable questions you posed:

Quote from: bawomolo on Yesterday at 03:11:34 AM

Anyway, as far as I can see, politicians don't say anything silly about gays, for the same reason they don't attack black people or women. They're looking for votes, rather than trying to p!ss any section of the voters off. If a candidate who stands up on his hind legs and says 'gay people are x and y', the stupider the statement, the more the media will report it. How he fit complain about dat?

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lmao, we dey talk seniority on top internet now?

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Ruba,

I thank you for taking time to educate these ignorant kids. Its an up-hill task.

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1.i am not your brother.

2.i'm very sure i am older than you.

3.i have no point to make to people like you because you have already killed the enthusiasm with your childish insults.

4.if you have a problem with my first post then read the topic again ''what is YOUR take on homosexuality''

5.if you are comfortable being a homosexual then why being so defensive?

p.s:i dont like you atall and dont care for your ill manners.

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lmao@that pic

u guys are not serious

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Mek me talk one Kiswahili for una: Mpanda ovyo - hula ovyo

'You sow anyhow - you go chop anyhow'

You are just reaping the uselessness you sowed, in other words.

You guys like to play rough, so I too play rough with you. I will be polite and gentle with people who show politeness and gentility.

Look at what you posted as your only 'view':

geniogeni posted on: Yesterday at 03:38:21 PM

You posted that with a silly amount of smilies as your 'point', and when you get yapped you're now crying. It pained you, abi?

Igbo man tell me sey:

Agwo emeghi nke o jiri buru agwo, umuaka achiri ya hie nku.

If snake never bite person, small pikin go use am tie firewood

Not to leave out Yoruba-Yoruba people:

Ko ju ma ri bi, ese lo gun e.

If u no fit see badness, betta talk to ya leg only

Sorry pipple, na Azania proverb dey shak my head todey.

geniogeni, I've tried not to yap you here. I'm assuming that you are maybe quite young. Oya, make your point, my brother, we are listening.

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I dont see anything wrong wit it as fas as these ''couple'' loves themselves.

@Chinyeye you are old enough to respect the decision of other pple rather condemning then.

I dnt think for me o! dat anything is wrong with it cos itwhat they feel and enjoy best final.

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You people are some idiots.

How do you know gay sexx is disgusting if you have never tried yourself? I think many of you here are on the DL or atleast are suppressing your desires and you think by abusing us you will be straighter. I advise you to make out or have sex with an attractive dude then come back and tell us whether you enjoyed or not. To those who say we need prayers man STFU. Why don't you go and pray for yourselves. Foolish people. There are many issues that deserve divine intervention and two males or females shaggin eachother is not one of them. Only empty barrels like you all spend your energy worrying about where my d i c k goes and whatnot.

Y'all talk about men doing each other in the rectum well u also forget that in heterosexual sexx women lick men's assess and men also eat women's assess so if you want to argue against us try to be intelligent.

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Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuals are sick. They need prayers and medical attention. I don't hate or condemn them. I pity them.

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sweet9ja, you tok well o! Di man na hypocrite. If him find sey him boss na gay, him no fit do notin. Im go tok sey 'no be my bizness', and go on smile him oga yi-yi, like monkey.

If him find sey him pikin na gay, he go sey 'Hmm! He no be robber, abi him kill person?

No mind dis Badtooth person. Him talk 10 nonsense before him chop breakfas every day. When mi see all him tok for NL, me com know sey him na di kind bushman wey oda bushman dey use for laff.

Im dey tribalist, im feel say no good dey for Africa at all at all, im belief say na only constant prayer go save us,  im dey troll.

Now he wan come again wid him backward homophobia. Tsssssschewwwww! Mek him return for house go beat him wife becos she leaf house go market, den mek he use machete cut di left hand of him pikin wey use left-hand eat, jo.

Quote from: Fooltooth Yesterday at 12:08:56 PM

copied from

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=458014.msg6162268#msg6162268

Whish kin person from any tribe tok so? Later for him, jo.

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What will you do if you find out that your employer, boss or colleague is gay? will you resign?

Look, enough of this dogma, the world is moving on and we as a nation need to move too.

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[center]. . .*sigh*. . . [/center]

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You guess wrong. Why come comment for thread when una no no A or even no jack about di subject? At least try read di thread small. Then una go see how Mr Sagamite has been pasted and wasted for chatting the same cr@p. Which one concern homosexual and lesbians with paedophiles and bestiality?

Next ting u go open mouth say na oyibo people bring homosexuality to Naija. Tschhhewwww.

For sensible readers, the difference is: There is not even one country where paedophilia and bestiality is legal, or even people are standing up to try to make it legal. They are criminal acts, unlike homosexuality which is decriminalised in the majority of countries. Also, sociologists claim that paedophiles and bestiality practicers often have some traumatic or disturbing aspects of their upbringing. They say no such thing for homosexuality.

Homosexuality has a culture (even a hidden one in countries like Naija), has economy, and has always existed in all societies. Historically, it was tolerated in most areas before Christianity, Islam etc became prominent. It is also fairly common (up to 10% of adults), and most adults (unknowingly) now a private or public figure who is homosexual. None of these things is true for paedophiles or people who do it with animals. Don't try to equate them. Or are you saying that bestiality has a culture in your own home town?

If you ask a self-aware gay person, they often say they are just gay, that's how they feel. If you ask a paedophile or zoophile, they will always say they didn't do it! Even in the permissive West.

I like your name o! Cool Freudian slip!

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wired d@ way i heard. i guess same goes for paedeophiles n those in2 bestiality

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All these talks about homosexuality being unAfrican and unGodly is all bull$$$$, cast your eyes around in Nigeria and you'll see that homosexuality abound. So what should we do, linch them? throw them in jail?

Homosexualism is as old as mankind itself, incase we've forgotten.

I live a country where same sex marriage is legal, God has not sent earthquake, flood, hunger, drought, corruption, economic mismanagement etc, etc, to consume us. Infact, those countries that practice tolerance and protection of the weak and minorities are continuously been rewarded by God. Nigerians and indeed Africans as whole need to reaccess their feelings and deed toward others. God created everyone and all great religions teach that we should love Gods creation. For Nigeria to be a viable democracy we must learn to be tolerant of other, regardless of their colour, creed, believe and sexual orientation. Rather, laws against sex with minors should be enacted and rigidly enforced.

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Of course I am under the pretext that you are rational and not crazy and obsessed with looking for trouble.

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^ Whats the hmm . . . anyways dude relax, we can still be friends, we dont have to be fight lol. You could either

1. Choose to ignore me

2. Choose to be cordial to me

3. Choose to look for my trouble

I prefer the first one, would not mind the second option, but think the third is a waste of your life and mine.

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Although sagamite will quote me elsewhere to mock my scores as low- I scored in the mid 1400s the first time, and a 1500+ the second time.

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lmao wtf. oyinbo people are weird at times.

yeye woman, leave our rhode scholars alone

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Sagamite and Sefago, you both need a chill pill.

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Really?

But, it's the first time my friend took it.

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not low considering mama-gee's IQ. i kid

see your people saga

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2954310/Gran-and-grandson-to-have-baby.html

true love

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Guys, Is a 1200 score in the SAT high on the first time you take it?

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Enough guys!

Jes-us, What the heck!

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Homosexuality exists and is accepted in Nigeria. Just ask anyone from the northern states what DAN DAUDU IS. They will let you know or better yet GOOGLE IT.

Nigeria is not an island it is made up of people and human nature and behavior are same irrespective of origin. We are human, therefore bound to have homosexuality within our community too. Now is it wrong or right?.  I don't know. Let God decide that.

However I fail to see why anyone would want to ascribe to a life that is hated by  LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE  if such a person is not born that way.

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Jeez but you typed so much stuff you must think I am really ruba_slipa.

I REPEAT, I DO NOT CREEP AROUND AND MAKE USERNAMES SAGAMITE LIKE YOU DO. ITS A WASTE OF EFFORT.

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LOL, someone is getting smacked.

As usual

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It's a bit silly to confuse and equate two consenting gays with a mother and son having s.ex. Few mothers and sons want to have s.ex. A digust for Inbreeding evolved as a biological vanguard against the genetic dangers of in-breeding, which increases the possibilities of defective genes getting selected in the gene pool. We might notice our attractive family members, but we do not want to sleep with them. It's a dumb argument that equates a sexual orientation, be it homosexuality or heterosexuality, with other things like Inbreeding and bestiliaty and paedophilism, to 'prove' a non-existent point. If we're arguing for and against murder, we might point out the harm to the victim as one of the reasons againt it. If you're arguing against homosexuality because you happened to be born straight, that's your privilege. Even Balaam's donkey had something to say when it wasn't asked. But try and produce facts that show homosexuality to be harmful, and don't forget to instruct us on who it is harmful to, and stop boring one half to death with what you merely think is 'unnatural'.

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@Sagamite. I will have more respect for you because at least you try to argue. You should be a bit worried to be on the same side as Astuto.

zoophiles try to pick on smaller animals, rather than big animals that will wound them, or they tie up a big animal so securely that it wounds itself, breaks its leg etc trying to break free of molest. They ain't enjoying it, and they can't give consent. Its definitely disgusting, but it isn't even 'unnatural'. Everybody knows that a dog will hump your leg (the only place it can reach). Nobody is arguing for bestiality anyway, and it is not an analogy with being gay. Forget it. Your argument is that because bestiality is banned because it is disgusting, then being homosexual should also be banned because it is disgusting. No - you want homosexuality to be banned just because you don't agree with it. Being gay is neither a crime, nor a physical, nor a mental illness. That's why it can't be 'cured', and praying don't work. That's also why there are gay communities (open or secret), gay organisations, gay festivals, gay adverts even gay economy (pink dollar/pink pound).  There are no such things for Inbreeding or bestiality, and there never will be such. They can't be compared.

You do know that these two statements contradict each other, right? Please choose one.

For gay animal behaviour please do some reading.

There is also lots of video available. Some males will have sex with each other even with females available. These include everything from giraffes to penguins. If you wouldn't believe your own eyes, I can't help you.

That isn't my point, as humans laugh, cry, anticipate consequences, invent, hide our unclothedness, do MouthAction, tell lies, commit suicide, cook, read, avoid Inbreeding, circumcise, have hymen, pray and do many other things that animals don't usually do. Homosexuality is normal for us, just not the majority of us.

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Now you have given me the opportunity to blast you and your know-nothing babbling. Abi it dey pain you because I said you have made no point with any of your points? Yet you are still making no point, just insults.

That is what someone says when they have no answer to your points, and in fact, are not even knowledgeable about the subject being discussed. They feel frustrated because they cannot respond or destroy your points -> Damned fa*ggots!

If you have any single point, then make it, and stop distracting. In fact, respond to the points I made, if you can.

If you have been following this thread, you will see that I have been posting in it since the early pages, because it is a controversial subject across Africa, yet filled with misinformation. And it is damaging us. Europe and America are filled with gay Naijas and other Africans who have fled the country from fear and pain to somewhere where they can feel human. Many of these people are highly educated professionals, doctors, lecturers, engineers etc, who could be contributing something to Nigeria's development, just like me and you, well, maybe not like you,

Whether you find it disgusting or not, whether your religion is against it or not, being gay is natural, and has always been common around. Majority of people are straight, around 8-10% of people are not. Because they are so common, that's why change will come. Even within Naija, so many singers, actors, and even politicians are secretly gay. Married or unmarried. If you exposed all of them, you would see some surprising holes in the society. It can't be cured, and praying for change works about as well as it would praying for straight men not to follow women again.

Others will understand where wife-beating and killing twins comes in. You are the type of person who opposes progress, not because of any reason, but just by your own feelings. You would have opposed women's right not to be beaten, and claimed that society will collapse if twins are allowed to survive. I blame your father for your problem, because in 1975 he was the one spouting that only perverted women wanted to wear trouser, it is disgusting and against African culture, why do they want to bring out their 'thing' for people to see, Bible is against it, it's the Oyinbos fault, blah, blah.

Apart from talking wooden-headed nonsense that would make Yar'Adua laugh, arguing ad hominen, and not knowing anything about the subject, you are a liar too. Obviously you have no children, otherwise you won't be so quick to claim you would disown any gay child. True, some people do it, and they usually it. Are you actually as backward as that? Hopefully, your gay child will be the best out of your children (the others being stubborn, hate-filled and blind like their father), then we will see whether you will disown that child, or keep quiet about it.

I have some advice for you too: stop displaying your poor education in this thread. Insults are not argument.

I'm treating this thread as an interesting exercise in knowledge and logic vs ignorance and blind prejudice. It's amazing how stubborn the latter is before it realises the only point it has is 'I don't like it'. Abi your woman left you for another woman? Or did two guys start doing it together on top of your head? Or maybe you got thrown into Kirikiri for the crime of talking nonsense, and the hungry (straight) men inside there rushed your Bottom one-two,

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If you already know the issue exists, but it just annoys you, why are you coming to this thread to comment? You are still chatting with empty head about something you don't even know anything about.

This thread is about homosexuality per se. It is the anti-gays who keep introducing the issue of 'gay marriage' - like you. In fact, there is hardly any country that allows gay marriage. Some countries allow gay men and lesbians to enter a legal civil partnership, that gives them some (not all) of the rights that married couples have - like inheriting partners property, gaining partners joint employment benefits, tax benefits, joint custody of children etc. It is only uninformed media that started calling it 'gay marriage' as shorthand, and to frighten the uneducated and easily frightened.

Did you know that straight people too can do civil partnership? If for some reason, a heterosexual couple don't want to marry, they can still enter civil partnership, so if the man dies, his family can't come and tell his woman of 30 years standing that she has to 'pack out of his house, removing only her clothes'. In Yorubaland, they often do this, even if the woman has small children for the man. Not one of the best customs.

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Well, one led to the other . . . gay marriage didn't just come out of nowhere.

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I think the discussion is about homosexualism and not gay marriage. Big Difference

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Definitely not. I also don't want it to be legislated for. I cant imagine living in a city where gay marriage is legal. Although I think it's wrong, I want it to be seen as any of the other vices in the world - we have theft, murder, etc.

Homosexuality is real, whether I approve of it or not - I have to live with it. But, I don't to continuously hear about pro-gay marriage groups, or anti-gay marriage people. The 2 are a nuisance.

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I have hammered this into some thick homophobic heads on several threads. They keep alluding to pineapple to agbalumo arguments like polygamy and such. Most are too lazy to pick up the dictionary to know the mean of "consensual" and would be in a hurry to provide you with examples of bestiality and Inbreeding. I always have to humor them because they keep being adamant with there claims no matter what.

As you mentioned, there is really no need to even find an animal that engages in homosexuality though studies have shown this is the case except some people could claim the scientists (who are happily married with kids) have a "gay agenda"

You argue on Moral ground to fellow men. But I would never take that path with someone on NL. Thats like going to mean a whole week teaching people moral thought.

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Look, my fellow Nairalanders, Don't be afraid to tell these strays the truth.

Homosexuality is bad, bad, bad. Discourage it wherever u see it.

Look eh, they want a situation where people will be afraid to talk about it, while it silently proliferates and spreads.

Guess what? that ain't gonna happen, cuz we right here. NL is a place for free expression, but with the goal being upholding the truth.

Damned fa*ggots!

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Man we don't need anyone's sympathy and I don't. I am not feminine. I like my type of men and women which are MASC / THICK for men and THICK for chicks. My girl knows about my bisexual past and also I dont go about telling the world that I am but if u find out and ask me I won't lie.

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Well, evryone is entitled to his/her own opinion on the matter (thats why its kinda like an opinion poll). Be that as it may, I think (for guys who are not gays and haven't got an inside view of what it means to be one) such guys shld carry out some research and get to know what it means to be gay. That way, your condemnation wld be informed. Also, u wld be better able to build up your arguments (or hatred).

My view, homosexuality shld by no means be legalized as it is against our (Nigerian) culture. When/if we develop to a "san Fransisco" that wld be a totally different ball game. The practice seems somewhat crude and debases men (makes them passive). It is, as we say it "against the order of nature." Dont get me started on religion cos its a no no there. Shld they be allowed to get married? Certainly not cos that wld lead to a lot of legal complications (adoption, custody, inheritance). Marriage is a union btw opposite sexes: a union instituted by God.

But be that as it may, violence/hatred is not the key. It myt just surprise you to know that the correct emotion shld be pity/support/encouragement/love. Lets put it this way, do you think a man who is "properly wired" (in all intents of the word) wld leave a woman in all her loveliness and choose to rob bones with another man OR choose to endure BehindBased pain amidst a very judgmental  society and expectant family? Do u think a guy likes the idea that he myt never be able to get married or father kids because he can't get erect by a woman? Do u think a man wld grow up and decide "no, I am tied of women. I wanna start doing guys"? Do u think effeminate guys enjoy being verbally and physically abused when they walk on the street?

If u arnt gay, be thankful. Stay away from them (if u wish). Let them know their boundaries when it comes to you. Dont give mixed "signals." Being gay does not make any one less of a person. In fact, most of the brilliant and exceptional guys out there (u know, that guy u look at and wish you cld be like) are gays. Most of our "idols" (actors, musicians, fashion designers) are either gays or are in close proximity to them. Hell, some of the greatest condemners (u know, the ones who use the harshest words) on this post might be gays. The guy next to u (your brother, best friend, husband, father) myt be gay. You never know. if today I find out that my brother is gay, wld it make him any less my brother? NO!

Guys, think!

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Lets pray for the "homosexuals" so they might repent of their perversion. God is able to change them into righteous people thru Jesus Christ.

Let them know there is forgiveness for them in the name of Christ if they are willing to repent. God is merciful and quick to forgive sins.

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Bad omen. it is unbiblical, unacceptable and unclean.

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its fine if u consider it repulsive but do u think it should be legislated against.

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