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Why are Nigerians tribalistic?

I met a chic when i just started working in my office, we got a a little close and when she found out that i was Yoruba, she stopped talking to me. I later overheard her telling a fellow Igbo collegue that she didn't know i was Yoruba, considering that i am light skinned.

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nigerians are tribalistic because of lor lugard and his cronies divide and conquer tactics,in a situation where you put the less educated and fewer tribe overthe majority who are more educated,its a recipe for chaos, while not hating on the hausas its clear that even till now they are still far behind the ibos and hausas the 2 other major tribes educationally,financially e.t.c how much more almost fifty years ago?

this lead directly or indirectly to the biafran war which have promoted deep ethnophobia and wounds which will take a very long while to heal, the political leaders we have now using the script of the "white masters"promoting tribalism to suit their purposes have also not helped integration e.gibori who is cleary a thief saying he was being persecuted because he is niger delta,same as alams saying same thing,aborishade who normally in a proper society should own up saying he is being persecuted because of being yoruba/obj's friend, the arewa saying same thing,orji uzor kalu whipping up tribal sentiments instead of facing up to efcc, the list is endless

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but there is something like africa right to describe group of people right, so why nigeria is be eluded?

if u cant fix it, dnt break it

nigeria is here 4 life!!

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Too busy drawing a "diagram"

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I don't have religion.

And I mean it from the depths of my heart.

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Would you mind telling me which parts of my example(s) didn't make sense so that next time I will be able to ajust accordingly?

Thank you.

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make i siddon dey watch Babyosisi reincarnate.

As usual, religion vanishes like a puff of smoke.

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Chinyere, come up with an example that makes sense next time.

Thanks

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karma you see wetin I see?

Tpia = Laudate.

no wonder,same subtle anti Igboness.

I also suspect Quotasystem is nine to five

The same fights between laudate and nine to five are continuing between tpia and quotasystem.

Mostly unprovoked from both sides

nairalanders and multiple personalities

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Your example didnt fit this situation

You wnet on about how you have certain people you are close with yada yada and leaving them when you "no longger need their services"

what does that have to do with someone suddenly keeping you at arm's length upon learning your tribe?

It's one thing for you to ask question, it's another for you to gave lame excuses and examples

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KarmaMod: I'll just refer you to my previous posts in this topic and the example of me in that same context. Please, read what I posted carefully and think about adeniyi83's first post.

tpia: I don't argue just for arguing sake. Everyone that knows me well knows that I avoid quarrels. I only state a possible explanation and then ask questions to gain a better understanding of the situation. It is people that then start arguing with me and never answer my questions. Tpia, you're starting to argue with me when all I initially asked for was just for people to define the words that they were using (ie. Tribalism). You didn't define that. Even moreso, you jump to explain my mindset saying that I put others down, when I've already defined my mindset and no where did I say I put other tribes down. If you read my posts carefully, you would have seen where I stated that I don't agree with the incorrectness of what people do in the name of tribalism. Yes, you're also correct in that I see nothing wrong with tribalism. And again, I see something wrong in the things that people do in the name of tribalism. That doesn't mean that tribalism is a bad social institution. As for your question about misundertanding the incident. . . I'll just refer you to the statement I made about adeniyi83 giving little to no background information (ie. more info about how she related with him before they started getting close, how close did they get, how she related with him afterward, etc.). If you read my posts. I'm really not arguing anything. I'm actually just giving a possible explanation and asking questions. That's all really.

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@ laudate, Birom is frm plateau state nd nt frm Benue.

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@ laudate, Birom is frm plateau state nd nt frm Benue.

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why would she even bring up his tribe if she didnt have a problem with it

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Based off what adeniyi83 said, it would seem to be an open and shut case, but with life, most things are not open and shut, especially when they deal with human beings.

As for him saying he heard her say that she doesn't want to associate with him because he's Yoruba. . . I don't remember adeniyi83 ever making that statement. He said that he overheard her tell another Igbo that she didn't know he was Yoruba. That still isn't enough to pass full judgement on the situation. We can make assumptions, but we cannot pass judgement.

Does it really seem that I'm getting hot under the collar? I'm really not worked up over the issue. I just want to see the topic and some of the words being used defined so that the discussion can have some structure. Oh well.

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The OP's simple and straightforward post  has nothing to do with what you just typed, plz. Maybe you meant to post on another thread.

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I don't understand what you mean by my post not having anything to do with what adeniyi83 posted. I gave an example about how my behavior can be misconstrued as "negative tribalism" given the context that adeniyi83 gave in his initial post. I also mentioned that given the limited information that adeniyi83, there is no way to actually pass judgement on the situation because we do not know how that girl lives her life and/or what her intentions were.

Take my example of me and put me in that context. I only engage in conversation when there's something that I need from someone or need to do with someone, or if I'm interested in that person (keep in mind that my preference is my ethnicity). If that person (adeniyi83) is an associate (someone from work, school, friend of friends) and I find out that the individual in question (adeniyi83) isn't who I'm looking for, then I won't really associate the way I intented to associate. Adeniyi83 would then just fall back into the the ranks of associate and dialogue occurs only when I see the person and greet. If it were me in question rather than the girl, adeniyi83 would still post the same kind of post based on limited information, inferring that I did something bad. I'm just not interested anymore because adeniyi83 cannot offer what I'm looking for. Does that make any sense?

This all goes back to me suggesting that "tribalism" in this dicussion needs to be defined. If me not associating with adeniyi83 the way I intended because he cannot offer what I'm looking for is tribal, then it is tribal. I won't argue that. Does that make it bad, though? No. The main problem that I'm having with this discussion is that people equate tribalism with the concept of something bad. If tribalism is something bad, then state why it is bad. I'm only here trying to really understand what people are saying and what people mean. Words are just tossed around without being defined and it isn't helping the discussion.

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This is the real issue in this discussion. It becomes more of a problem because we do not know if she stopped talking to him simply because he is Yoruba, and people just want to hop on and straight away pass judgement.

Now, although I am one person, I'll use myself as an example to illustrate something. Say that I am a dot at the center of a paper. Draw a circle around that dot and label it "close friends". The people within that circle that surround me (the dot) are my closest friends and they are from all kinds of backgrounds. Draw another circle around the circle labled "close friends". Label that circle "Associates". These people are people that I see and greet, say "hi" to at the mall when I pass by them, friends of my close friends, people that I work with or school with. Our relationship usually won't extend past that moment when we are face to face, and even then we don't really engage in much dialogue. These people are from all kinds of backgrounds, but the majority are from my ethnic group. Now draw another circle around that labeled "Associates" and label the new circle "Others". These people are those that I do not associate with at all (ie. People I do not know, people that I don't personally like for who they are and how they behave, etc.). They are from all backgrounds, walks of life, etc. If anyone were to see me outside the house with anybody, it would most likely be someone from the category "Associates". This person is also very likely to be from my ethnic group, but we are not going to be talking as if we're close friends. We will probably be standing or sitting somewhere (because we just so happened to bump into each other) and exchange a few words then continue on with our life. So if someone were to see me on a normal day, they will misinterpret my actions the way the girl was misinterpreted (assuming that there's more to the issue than what adeniyi83 posted).

This is an example of what might be the situation surrounding the girl that stopped talking to adeniyi83. Even this "stop talking" issue. . . I find it hard to believe that she just straight up ignored him after finding out he was Yoruba. Again, I do not know the situation surrounding the issue. All in all, I see nothing wrong with tribalism. I only see the incorrectness of what people do to one another in the name of tribalism.

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It has nothing to do with prostrating or whatever because i do that very well. The girl do confide in me on her dad's sentiments and all that and his initial comments when he met me for the first time outlandish . I understand about many parents being open about it but there are still some that are closed about it and my potential BIL is one of them. I like him though because he is not a closet tribalist just that I try to harp on the ills of tribalism because it hurts so much when you are at the receiving end of it. I am sure my parents are not any different but their religion is seriously limiting them to what they can do or not because i remember my mom saying things like "is it not better to find a woman around here so we can easily trace her families history".

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Dude, in this generation Yoruba parents are more open to inter tribal marriages than the others.

Maybe he's glaring at you cos you keep trying to shake his hand.

Berra learn to prostrate.

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That is pure tribalism clear and simple. There is no other way to explain that unless Ajeniyi edited the story to suit himself like Chinenye pointed out. I still can't understand why she should stop talking to him just because he is Yoruba, that's my concern with this story. She can still be talking to him and still maintain her tribalistic sentiments in her heart. She has a right to choose whomever she wants as her bobo only that she should know that those she ostracized because of their tribe or religious affiliation do not necessarily care or give a damn about her damn choice. Tribalism is deep seated in Nigerian culture. My childhood friend is fighting with his parents now because he wants to marry an Esan girl. I am presently dating a Yoruba girl, her father hates me so much that he can send assassins to nail me even after i paid his recent huge hospital bill that saved his life. He has a big round prying eyes that sends chills up my spine anytime i see him but i will break him through with prayers one day.

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I did read the original post. Now my question is, has anyone even thought to consider the situation surrounding her decision? Maybe the girl wasn't looking for a Yoruba guy? Maybe she's not interested in making friends and is primarily interested in a relationship with another Igbo. . . who knows? This one instance (with so little background information) isn't enough to judge prejudice and ethnocentrism. Sure she's being tribalistic [by definition] by preferring her own tribe, but is anything wrong with that? I just think people: 1) are reading too deeply into this, and 2) Are focusing more on her decision to not talk with adeniyi83. If adeniyi83 could thoroughly explain the situation with as much background information as possible, and answer any questions we may have, we then can maybe pass judgement on that situation.

As for Nigerians being tribalistic. . . I feel that we generally are.

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this is what's being discussed here (if you read the original post):

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First thing's first, I haven't read through the entire topic. How can I, with such little time and you all typing up such long posts. . .

Anyway. I want to ask, in all of this, has anyone even yet bothered to define tribalism in this discussion? So far, it seems as though the discussion isn't about "tribalism". Rather, it seems as though you all are talk about prejudice and ethnocentrism. By the definitions that I'm familiar with, tribalism is nothing more than having a strong sense of identity with one's ethnic group and feelings of loyalty towards one's tribe. There's nothing wrong with that. What it seems like to me, is that the issue is with stereotyping, prejudice and suspected ethnocentrism that comes about as a result of people not being knowledgeable about other tribes. By definition, I am a tribalist. I don't see anything wrong with identifying with my ethnic group and having loyalty towards the tribe that I come from.

Long story short, we need to define what we're talking about here before we continue talking about it. I don't know if anyone else has already proposed that (and I wouldn't know because I haven't yet read through the entire topic).

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So you think Nigerians are tribalistic? Come to Kenya!!!!!! Kenyans are the worst tribalists alive.

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sorry, wrong answer.

Racists didnt choose to live in the same country with blacks. Does that justify their attitude.

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Because we didn't chose to be together which caused us to clash hence why there is:

Ethnocentrism

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for not talking 2 d guy again, shows how immature she is. even if she doesnt want a yoruba guy, it doesnt prevent them from being friends.

its so unfortunante but tribalism will remain with us 4 a long time. people from certain cultures in nigeria tend 2 behave alike but even if they do, we should 1st appreciate one as an individual b4 his tribe.

i have very good friends that are not igbo, like me but ive learnt 2 appreciate them n tolerate their shortcomings and they mine. i believe thats what friendship is all about.

so its not about tribe but how unique each individual is.

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The answer to the post is "motion."

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Being openminded,means u don't judge people based on the color of their skin,religion,creed,belief,tribe etc.There is really no barrier,except what we humans conjure in our imagination.After all we breath the same air and bleed the same red blood,we make a mockery of God's work and His essence when we reason otherwise. "ONE LOVE".

shushu i really will love 2 meet u in person,if it's fine by u,this is my mail add bufo2001@yahoo.com

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Tribalism is like racism, or bigotry. Don't blame your forefathers or foremothers or wotever. Blame yourself for being so narrow minded.

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. . . perhaps there should be a local lingua franca.

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its really unfortunate situatn.am presently servin as a couper in ogun state.my xperience here is really depressin;if u

dnt speak yoruba u r out of the game mostly in d office.i know this scourge cut across all tribes but its 2much wit d yorubas.pls we all shd b obligated 2 eradicatin it 4m our ethnical tribes.we r all NIGERIAN and shd work in one heart.

-rob

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i guess because nigeria has a large amount of different tribes and diversity. so they try to stick with own.

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i think some people r so ignorant nd very clossed minded, like some yoruba people saying they cant marry igbo people or vice-versa, same wiv hausa nd bla bla bla, i aint saying u shouldnt be morally behaved, but come on this is d 21st centurey we gotta me acceptable of other peoples culture, hopefully people of this generation would be more open minded and not be bloody ignorant, God dnt like ugly, lol( nd i dnt mean that literally)

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So pathetic! must you always be the referee? God! too much of every thing makes people sick, stop phucking sucking up, I almost puked.

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O ma se o. anyway we are all into this, In Ghana here, my igbo friend at school is happy to meet other nigerians but IGBO people. can you imagine that even outside your country you want to meet ppl from your tribe not your country

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@adeniyi88:

talk to the girl directly and let her know how you feel about what she said. Ask why she said it.

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this is common among the yorubas . they feel superior to other tribe.especially on education they only want them to be in the university. so that is nature

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This is it,its simple and precise.

Tribalism,racism,hate and whatever you want to call it are all rooted from "Hell" these are simply mechnisms of the devil to cause human hate !!

The greatest commandment is LOVE,and love in totality,I don't understand all this grammar here and there,if you are Igbo,Yoruba,Hausa or whatever,you need to get born again,bacos any one with a tribalistic heart has no place in the body of christ.

That's one of the reason alot of Nigeria Christains will miss heaven,"not my prayer"

Our diverse groups and nature came about through man's sin remember the old testament "Nimroid" it's a cause upon man that people hold so close to their hearts.

I just don't understand how a lot of parents who are supposedly elders in churches encourage their children to hate vis a vi "Tribalism" it's crazy,you miss heaven,seriously.

You have no place in God's family being tribalistic,its a one way ticket to everlasting damation"Period"

God help us all !!!!

I rest my case.

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It sad but what can we do, even we the so called literate are tribalistic

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If tribalism AKA "us-versus-them thinking" is a primordial instinct, and if my understanding from the discourse so far is correct; then identifying with ones own cultural group and taking pride in it, may not be that bad after all. Along the lines of the Nationalism thing that laudate mentions.

In other words one can still be proudly Gwari and still be passionately Nigerian.

But if it is, then this is were educating ourselves becomes vey important. But unfortunately, nothing much is being done in that sphere.

Once upon a time the government had promoted that students learn at least one other Nigerian language other than there own. I don't know how that's worked out so far. But I think it was a laudable thing.

Even the NYSC as originally concieved was supposed to have also helped, as the objective had been, in my understanding, to get people to live in communities other than their own,  to try to understand a bit more about these communities and perhaps learn that underneath all those -isms, that we are, after all, all the same.  This was again another laudable idea. But one wonders if it has been living up to those objectives.

I know that Nigeria is at a crossroad. But i still  believe that one day we will be able to learn to live together in a new Nigeria, a Nigeria in which we have internalised the fact that the "others" are not always wrong or bad and in which we have come to appreciate that those who are not of our "culture" are actually a lot more like us than we had once wanted to believe.

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Redsun, you are spot on. I have tried to say something like this before but men you put it exactly the way it is.

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Tribalism just like racism is due to stack ignorance,limited horizon,people dread what they don't understand and fail to inquire.It's like africans calling oyibo man racist,while in africa people live like cats and dogs,yoruba man calling ibo man OKORO,genocide in rwanda, in that small vicinity they still can't understand one another.By and by,tribalism and racism are part of man's primitive instint and territorial nature that refuse let go even with the so-called advancement,still living like hunter gatherers worldwide.Imagine,John Lennon.

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Oh, one last word:

http://www.polytechnic.edu.na/echoes/story1.htm

This is just to show another definition or description of tribalism. You can take your pick. Just remember that "a little learning is a dangerous thing."

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If you feel Webster's Dictionary is the sole authority on the definition of tribalism, you are free to hold on to your views.

New words find their way into various dictionaries all the time. Even existing words have their meanings revised and expanded from time to time. A few years ago the word "bootylicious" did not exist in the English lexicon. But today, thanks to Beyonce and some American stars, the word has found its way into many dictionaries, and is now a synonym for sexual attractiveness, especially around the rear end of the feminine gender.

A large number of researchers are still trying to grapple with the definition of the word "tribalism." Many of them do not merely rely on the simplistic definition that dictionaries like Webster, have given. They have recognised that its' effects permeate the daily lives of several people, and it goes far beyond that simplistic definition.

Let me give you a few examples:

In its' reference to tribalism Wikipedia states that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism

Other researchers have described tribalism in other ways. In an article on the Tegloma tribe of Sierra-Leone, a writer J.L Musa - in a critique of the assesment given by a scholar Prof. Kamara - had this to say: http://www.sulima.com/afvision/newsroom/newsroom.shtml

Another scholar yet again describes it like this:

Let me stop here. You can see that the definition of tribalism should not be restricted to just what Websters dictionary has to say.

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Yet Webster defines those words differently , interesting , I smell a Nigerian dictionary of English words coming soon !!!

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because we are very parochial in our thots

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