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Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World?

This transcends beyond African countries. If you go to Cuba, Brazil, The United States or even the U.K. you find that blacks tend to fare a lot worse than all the other races economically and socially. This week in London there have been 6 stabbings majority of which where carried out by black youths. I know there a many successful black people in Nigeria, in Africa and the rest of the world but the fact is that as a whole we fair much much worse than others and no amount of personal success academically, professionally, socially or financially can make me feel great about myself until we can figure out a way to solve this problem.

I'm just gonna throw this out there as well, if you've ever watched sweet 16 on mtv you'll notice that the black kids parents are almost always celebrities but the white kids, latina kids and all the other kids' parents are just wealthy unknowns. I think that the show highlights the extent of the problem in a way.

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I wrote a long-winded comment before deleting it. There's so much I want to say, but I can't fit it into one comment. Let me say this: I'm heartened by the candor and critical eye with which y'all have conducted this discussion. I'm a White American man--VERY proud of my heritage!--who was born in a small Southern town that was settled by my family 100 years ago. I was born right after desegregation, and within 15 years of that, the town was a hell-hole. It's majority black (I'm guessing 75-90%), and all of the things my family did to better the town (maintain a stable city government, bring in a modern city water system, sewage system, etc.), have fallen apart. The town is small (it's actually two towns separated by just a few miles), and very rural. My family members were almost all farmers 50 years ago in that area. The Blacks who run things now don't farm. To be honest with y'all, they don't do much of anything other than murder and make babies. Unemployment is higher than 40%, and the murder rate (of a small farming town!) is higher than that of Mexico City!!! Stray dogs run in the streets. Paint chips off of unkempt houses. Trash and derelict cars are to be found. It's basically the third world in America. But when Whites were in charge and segregation was in place, it was virtually crime-free, and the poor farmers' children (White ones, anyway) excelled in school. I've spent a lifetime trying decided why my poor White ancestors, who had nothing (my grandfather was one of ten children, and he and three siblings were still children when both parents died--the four orphaned children were raised by siblings, which is how he ended up in this town with his older brothers), managed to make a prosperous town during a period of racial inequality and why the poor Blacks took it and destroyed it. I don't have the answers. I'm less interested in blame than I am in a solution, and believe me, I can't think of one that doesn't involve all of the Black people in the town moving away, which is never going to happen. More investment, better schools, more jobs, etc., will do nothing for the people in that town. None of that crap existed when my relatives got there--they MADE that stuff happen on their own without any outside help! The Black folks refuse to do agricultural work (the only wealth-producing aspect of this town), and the 40% unemployment rate is supported by government subsidy programs (food stamps, etc.) and a lifestyle that focuses on drug use, promiscuous sex, and violence. Anyway, sorry to be such a downer. I think the only hope for Black communities the world over is for folks like yourselves to have LOTS of kids (with one wife!) and get your good genes and good cultural values out there. It's too late for my hometown. The White people are almost all gone, and the few that are left, most of whom are my kin, are very old. I wish you all the best in your efforts to critique the real reasons for (what seems to me to be) near-universal Black failure in all times and places throughout history. I don't believe history is destiny, but I sure ain't moving back to my birthplace any time soon :-( (BY the way, here's a link to a Youtube video of the town where I was born:

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If one or all of these three countries get it together and strive towards becoming world powers:

1. DRC

2. Nigeria

3. Ethiopia

These questions will not pop up so much.

Well, we know how they are faring relative to their potentials.

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Answers lies in Gen 9;25

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I was asking myself the same question tonight, hence finding this thread! I really dont know what the answer is but I truly believe it must be geographical more than anything else. What I mean is, most white tribes have come from more even and temperate climates. The white european isnt, nor wasnt in a daily battle against all sorts of weather extremes. Whilst trying to survive first and foremost, there is very little time left to develop much else. Blacks in stable environments can go on to perform equally as well as white people. There is however an overly large number of our community that still to this day want to hold the white man responsible for our enslavement hundreds of years ago. Always might I add conveniently forgetting that the people selling the slaves were our very own black brothers. Its all too easy to be selective about the past and use it as an excuse not to forward one self.

Just some thoughts

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It's call greed, corruption, colonization and blacks self hatred of themselves. We as blacks are our own worse enemies!!!!! When we get rid of our materialized thoughts then we as a people and black nations can progress.

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black people are cursed

that y i date white women, to give to my children a chance to inherit that white blessing.

i wonder if we blacks will survive if white abandon us. fuuuck us blacks

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Great response. You seem to have a good head on your sholders.

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You really lost me again?

The Mayan civilization is not in Peru?? That was the Incas?  Since you brought up Peru, here is the actual break down in Racial Demographics in Peru:

Peru's racial structure can be classified as 45% Amerindian, 37% mestizo (mixed Amerindian and European), 15% White, and 3% African, Japanese, Chinese, and other.

Amerindian =  term for Native Americans

The country is mostly populated by Native Americans and people mixed with European and Native American

I don't see any Hispanic/Latino there. Those terms are used in the States as an Ethnic grouping for people that come from Spanish Speaking Countries, no matter what your "Race" is.

Here is another Afro-Cuban that is signing a deal with the Reds to pitch for them, His name is: Albertin Aroldis Chapman de la Cruz

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/sports/baseball/12chapman.html

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^^^^ then if a mixed person cannot be described by a race then why are people like obama, hallie barry, tiger woods described as black? they are mixed are they not? the idea of race is manmade.

take your adverage nigerian. youruba is thier ethnicity, nigerian is thier nationality (can also be ethnicity) black is thier race

mayan is the ethnicity, peruvian is thier nationaliy (can be ethnicity) and hispanic/latino is thier race

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I am not following?? If a White person is mixed then how are they White and not mixed?? and you can put that same sentence with all the categories (Black, etc) you stated.

Ethnic Group Definition: An ethnic group is a group of humans whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage that is real or assumed. This shared heritage may be based upon putative common ancestry, history, kinship, religion, language, shared territory, nationality or physical appearance. Members of an ethnic group are conscious of belonging to an ethnic group; moreover ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness.

Race Group Definition: The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics. The physical features commonly seen as indicating race are salient visual traits such as skin color, cranial or facial features and hair texture.

You are stating Latino as a Race which it is not, per the definition you just offered up it says it is an Ethnic group.

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His·pan·ic adj. 1. Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America.

yes latino can be MIXED as can a black, white, oriental, asian, pacific islander, native american,

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Latino is not a Racial group but an ethnic group.

Latino's can be Black, White, Native American, Mixed Raced, etc,

Laz Alonso is an Afro-Cuban Actor: http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/files/2009/08/laz-alonso.jpg

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because they refuse to absorb.  look at other cultures and how they absorb what they see and make it thier own (while still holding on to thier native culture)  someone said earlier that thanksgiving is a "white" holiday.  it isnt its native american/first nation/red indian/whatever you want to call them, "whites" absorbed it, as did every other group living in the us and canada.  "western" culture is a blend of everything they come in contact with yet each western country still holds on to thier traditions and cultural identity.  many, not all africans repel the ways of the outside world.  saying that because of opression that "blacks" cant move forward is wrong.  every group on the planet was opressed/discriminated agaist at some point in time including "white", holding on to the past is another thing that holds a society back.  no society can move forward without the exchanging of ideas.  one person invents something (clothing design, food item, building design, weapon, tools whatever) someone else sees it (whether by accident or force) and say i like this but what if i did this (change something, add something, remove something) then this new idea passes to another person/tribe/country/race/whatever and again its i like this but what if i change this,  that is how technology advances htat is how society advances.  absorbing ideas from other cultures whether is be the "west" the "far east" or "latin america" or from other african countries doesnt make you any less of what you are.  noone says stop doing everything that your culture is.

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i m historian ya, we were enslave,colonize,imperialism also is still there,oppression n discrimination is all on us.but THE thing is dat if we are not what ever they are calling us we can protect ourselves way back.IT IS A CURSE THAT ON US NEGRO LET JUST PRAY.

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The reason blacks aren't faring well in comparison to the rest of the world is because REAL GROWTH is not coded into our DNA.Simple as that.Real growth isn't how much you have in the bank or how many hectares of land you bought at lekki phase 1.Neither is it how many degrees you have or how many exotic cars you have rusting away in your garage due to lack of use.

Even those born and breed abroad still have this complex within them except for a select few.Blacks have this me,myself and I mentality.We are no different that the cave men of the stone age who only go out to find food when they need it.Our thinking is solely focused on survival.NOTHING MORE!

Blacks don't think about the future.Talking about the future, i don't mean building houses everywhere for children who won't appreciate or buying stocks that would end up worthless in another recession or putting billions in a fixed deposit that might be lost if the bank closes down.I'm talking about setting up foundations for millions of unborn kids that will make life more civil and easier for them.I AM SURE NO ONE WHO IS READING THIS HAS EVER THOUGHT IN THIS DIRECTION.Na only how to put money for account and buy cars una sabi.

Back to the topic,blacks have this growth-stunting-complex embedded in their brain matter.Talk Africans for example (black Africans i mean).Most African countries have had independence for at least two decades.Where are they today?Most (if not all of them) are far worse off than they were when the "white masters" ruled over them.Let nobody talk about Ghana coz i am waiting to see where they will be after the oil money starts rolling in.Look at Nigeria. . .the so-called "giant" of Africa.With all the quadrillions of dollars that have rolled in, we are far worse off than we were before independence (let nobody talk about GSM).Look at the Islamic northerners of Nigeria.They are like zombies.Any little thing, they all come out like animals and start killing anything that moves all in the name of Allah without even knowing what the violence is all about.They forget that ISLAM WAS IMPOSED ON THEM.They forget they had their own culture and religion before the Arabs forced Islam on them through the sword.Look at the boko haram sect.They claim to be fighting against the western infidels and their ways but they use western produce for virtually every aspect of their lives.They want sharia law but how many of them can call for the heads of the thieving corrupt leaders?If you steal a goat, your arm gets severed.If you steal what belongs to the people, you are a god among them.If the northern Africans aren't zombies, i don't know what else.

How about the southerners?They own 98% of the resources in the country (in fact all the money comes from the south) and YET, they allow some illiterate-zombie-nomadic-cattle rearers to determine every outcome in the country.Why? This is because they can't agree within themselves and would rather have "outsiders" call the shots than come to a compromise.Talk about another class of zombies.Yoruba hates Igbo and vice versa.And they keep wondering why the country isn't progressing.

This post is getting too long.I'll leave it here but any logical mind gets the picture.

Nuff said.

@Seun

This is mccloud224

When am i getting my posting privileges back?

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black nations will become successful when they start building their companies, airlines, banks, movie thatres ect

when they start top paying to racists statistics and media designed to give them an inferiority complex

when they start practicing their own religions.

when they form their own governments and not copy off of western governements.

other nations are powerful because they practice their own religions and form their own governments.

angola, botwsana and the blacks suburbs in america (especially in the south) have some successful governments.

especially angola it is a successful governement.

when black people unite and decide to stop allowing eiropean governemts to punk them

france, america and uk is why haiti is the way it is. they lied about aristide. they got mad because mugabe took land from the whites (which was deserved) the european governments blocked his trade and cut him off foreign aid and lied and said he messed up his own economy.

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I don't know why.

I know according to UN, these are the top 50 poorest countries in the world in 2007

Afghanistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kiribati, Laos, Lesotho, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sudan, East Timor, Togo, Tuvalu, Uganda, Tanzania, Vanuatu, Yemen, Zambia.

Notice how many are black nations.

It's sad. Corruption is one of the main reason behind it and also our ability to stand with another rather than ourselves.

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actually no. the male was ofetn sold and alot of times ot allowed in the home.

but yeah cant blame slavery for the rise of single parent homes.

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One approach to the issue is provided by the United Nations Human Development Index.

What parameters?

Life expectancy at birth

Adult literacy rate

Combined gross enrolment ratio for primary, secondary and tertiary education

GDP per capita

Life expectancy index

Education index

For anyone so inclined, the full report for 2007/2008 could be found here: http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_20072008_Tables.pdf

Where do black nations stand? See for yourself: http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

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While having a chat related this topic, the discussion shifted to the subject of research in Nigerian universities and institutions. Much was made of the achivements of the IITA in Ibadan (http://www.iita.org/); this, clearly, is one exception that proves the rule. The thesis above is strong and solid, and anecdotal evidence could be found in the African American community in the US.

A telling thing is that there are "Almost No Black Economists at the Nation's Highest-Ranked Universities": http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/50_no_black_economists.html

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Rome wasn't built in a day. It took 2000 years to carve the British nation we see today. The different tribes were united in 1066 but they did not become successful until Queen Victoria's era.

Just yesterday,we received our Independence. Different tribes were thrown together such as Ibo, Hausa, Yoruba, Efik etc. We still have a few hundred years to go yet to be successful.

Our underdevelopment has nothing to do with our black nature, rather it is just the stage of development we are in - so don't even trip with all that negative stuff. It is natural for societies to evolve slowly. There have been several strong black nations in North Africa back in time past. Blacks from Sudan conquered Egypt and ruled there for over a century.

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you cant give a one size fits all answer to the problem of blacks round the world,the reasons why aa s and blacks generally in the western world are struggling to suceed is diffrent from the reasons why blacks in africa are struggling,

the aa s and other blacks have to contend with "the glass ceiling" institutional racism and lack of opportunities,its not helped that positive role models are few and far betweendont forget that some of them grew up in ghettoes with absent fathers or mums who were drug addicts poorly funded schools e.t.c blacks in uk were told by teacher one time they could only aspire to be plumbers,carpenters e.t.c and the same shool encouraging white kids that they can be accountants,doctors e.t.c watch your tv and the many programmes encouraging youths especially in uk and watch how many blacks/minorities are included in such programmes few examples

two thousand plus specialised met police officers(carrying weapons,flying helicoperse.t.c)less than 60 in the whole of uk are from the minority

only one single black chief constable(in kent)

as for africans,go back in history and you will see that the white colonialists intentionally always placed a weaker/smaller tribe over the larger ones just so that there will always be conflict and they will always have tacit controll trying to settle things e.t.c and this has aways been the fundamental problem in africa,we have never had a shortage of hard working focused africans,the problem we have always had is that of leadership and unity of purpose, go back in history and see who have always installed these african dictators, whites

go see who have provided weapons for nigeria to fight biafra, whites

who have provided weapons for tutsis and hutus , same people

even congo happening now, whites

dont put the blame on the regular black african or african american because they r all trying their best in a situation where they have foundthemselves and dont forget the whites stole a 300 yrs head start and thats got to count for something, moral of this is that there are underlying and peculiar reasons for each region /diff continent where blacks are situated for them being unsucessful

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more like white tourist havens with poor native populations

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You gonna have to work hard to disagree with my comments. How many African adults and parents routinely engage in intellectual activities such as reading non-prescribed books and material?

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Barbados, Cuba, Bahamas, Trinidad and Tobago, Cayman Island, St Kitts and Nevis,

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lmao.

lmao again.

Now this is an answer.I dnt agree with the highlighted portion though

Nigeria simply does not allow you to discover.We just look and look and look.Then we complain.Then we sleep.

Please let us stop looking at other people before we do it.

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nope, wrong again. the slaves actually had an effective communal structure.  single family homes in the AA community and in general have been increasing since 60's. let's stop blaming the white one for once.

wrong he can still have good male role models. there are many uncles and male relatives who can step up to the plate. lots of people have broken the cycle of deadbeat fathers.

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First tell which "black" nations put themselves together the we can start from there. . .

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Interesting. What do you mean by "successful" and how do you measure success?

Think of the following scenarios.

1) A society that has and enjoys great infrastructural and technological developments, and some measure of state governance (as in good roads, housing, etc) but neglects and ill-treats the underprivilede. Most ancient empire of the past were such societies (Roman, Aztecs, etc).

In their day, the Aztecs would have been considered an advanced and "successful" society. Should we considered the fact that they routinely sacrificed thousands of other humans to their gods and unfortunate aspect of their development. Or should we consider it a core element of success?

To the Romans, human life seem to have little value. They routinely abandoned unwanted children, organised games in which humans would fight to the death, etc, etc. Yet they also enjoyed some of the best amenities of their times in the world.

2) A society that largely relies on outside labour and brainpower for its functioning.

I contend that what we seen today as development is probably the first time such has emerge in human history. Something extraodinary happened about 400 years ago, with the development of the scientific method and the enlightenment. There is truly no record in human history of these two elements having exerted great influence as they have in the last few hundred years.

For instance, under the scientific mode of thinking, it is no longer enough to be satisfied with the knowledge that the addition of coke to iron would create more ductile and usable steel. It is no longer sufficient to accept that certain combinations of natural herbs would cure a disease. The scientific mind would be interested in asking more fundamental question about why these are so.

The enlightenment created the general climate in which such deep fundamental questions could be asked. It was no longer going to accept the rule of authority and tradition. Nothing was regarded as sacrosanct anymore, everything would be subject to the most thoroughgoing examination and scrutiny.

I contend that any society that imbibes the tenets of the scientific rationalism and the ethos of the enlightenment would be a society on the royal road to development and "success".

I usually ask my friends the following question;

Imagine that there was a global natural catastrophe in which all countries (nations) but one were destroyed. What are the chances that that one surviving country would have re-created the state of development we have in the 21st century.

Supposing the only country to survive such a calamity was America. To what exend would the American be deprived by the loss of the entire world but Americans.

Now, supposing the only country to survive were Nigeria. What are the chances of Nigeria re-creating the state of knowledge we have in the 21st century? How long will it take - 100, 400, 1000, 40000 years?

This brings me to my second criteria of a "successful" society. A society with great respect of intellectual capital, and great reserves of such capital. I did try to address this subject in another thread , but alas there were few willing to contribute their views.

My own personal anecdotal observation is this - African cultural life does NOT promote and favour intellectualism. In fact, the same can be said of the cultural millieu of African American life. There is a class of the so-called educated, but such have become essentially tradesmen in the various specialism - tradesmen doctors, trademen computer scientists, tradesmen teachers, etc, etc. Such people, outside of their day job, would hardly open a book or be interested in intellectual affairs outside of their jobs.

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Damn! ~Sauron~, take it easy.

First of all, the topic says 'Black nations'. You seem to be focusing on the United States(no?), which is really no man's land but still run by the whites because they have the highest population.

Secondly, I was talking about Nigeria specifically. It is a black nation, right? Who is denying them this opportunity you're talking about? C'mon, the country is run by Nigerians.

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22 million and 75% of the Prison system are BLACKS!!!!

Is that the opportunity you are talking about. . . . . .

What would likely become a child raised with no father figure?

Hoods where men are jobless(because they are ex-cons) and a gun store is situated near a liquor store.

Chiogo. . . . . .THINK!!!

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I don't think any decent black unknown should appear on MTV for the wrong reason too crass to flaunt wealth for

dumbdown show like sweet sixteen

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these countries are successful you can exactly expect every country to have some sort of international influence

you have to think about nature and geographical location too, these countries have been able to use what they have

if you happen to be a small country with small population, that not their fault

if you happen to be rich and landlocked without a sea port then you use what you have

some of them also have unfavourable climatic conditions (in terms of agriculture, diseases, tourism)

that is obviously beyond their control

apart from oil some middle-eastern countries are not that influential

and to some extent some countries in Europe are not that influential!!

they just have happen to be in the 'Europe' and like those in Africa use what they have

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The white man hired slaves who went around the plantations to impregant the women. That led to many black Americans growing up without a father figure.

I think that is still hunting them till date. A guy raised without a father will not know what it means to be a good father.

Well what about other black nations?

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The reason why Botswana, and Cape Verde are so successful is because the people in charge know where to put the money. Botswana has a large Diamond industry, and their leaders use that Diamond money to rebuild the country, and help the people, and that's why their H.D.I. (Human Development Index) is so high.

The reason Cape Verde is so successful is also because their leaders are also responsible for maintaining the well being of the country. Another reason why Cape Verde is so successful, and is still growing, is because of it's booming tourism industry, and how the leaders are aggressively promoting the country in Europe, and other areas. Many people predict Cape Verde becoming the next Canary Islands, so watch out for them.

Equatorial Guinea, and Gabon are largely successful because of their vast oil reserves, and Gabon also has a growing eco-tourism industry.

E.G. doesn't have the best leader (because he's a military dictator), and he allows still a large portion of his people to go hungry, but things are improving in that country with a massive national reconstruction effort occuring, with many people being moved from slums into adequate housing, amongst other services.

Gabon's leaders are adequate, but could be better. As I said before, they have large oil reserves (which is in large part why they're so successful), but they are slowly starting to become leaders in tourism. Gabon also has a high H.D.I., and they also have a growing Agricultural industry, with government trying to reach self sufficiency by growing their own crops.

South Africa is also successful, but I didn't mention it in the first place because I thought the obvious needn't have to be said. In about 5 years, I'd add Angola to that list, because the sheer pace of their development is just amazing.

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@topic, Like somebody said, it's due to greed by the people and corruption by the government!!!

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The answer is simple. . . . . .This is because Black people have not been given the opportunity to excel in the major facets of life.

Showbiz and Sports are the only areas u can actually say there's a level playing field. . . .

Think of it as institutionalised RACISM.

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Bostwana's population is so tiny, 1.6 million. (diamond)

Cape Verde's population is less than half a million.(

Equitorial Guinea's population is 616,459

Gabon's population is 1,485,832.

these are tiny states

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Bahamas, Botswana, Cape Verde, Equatorial Guinea, and Gabon all come to mind, but it depends on what you define as "successful".

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Which Asian nations and how are they now?

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here they go again always blaming oyinbo, nonsense. What of the Asian countries?? didn't they go through the same thing we went through??

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Hero, you have your nose in the air but you are kind of right. These problems arise in uneducated circles because of lack of education, and in educated circles, because of lack of exposure. When you make judgements, do remember that people (Including yourself) are a product of their a.) Genetic make-up b.) Environment c.) Experiences - None of these, which they have control over. If you had been born in Liberia, raised in the slums and tutored on how to hate foreigners, would your actions have been any different from theirs? How do you know?

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[what are these people up to, i think these guy are al bunch of lies, there,s no money in forex tradig, it,s all bullshit, prove me wrong

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I understand what you mean by successful now.

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When I say successful, I mean at the same level as other nations around the world. Success to me is a situation whereby you are an economical power. Where your policies and actions affect the rest of the international community in a very significant way. You also have to look at things like life expectancy, in Botswana it is currently 51 years old for men and 49 for women (not exactly good), 37% of the population is infected with HIV. To be fair though the country has a high level of literacy (about 80%), economic growth is one of the highest in the world, the GDP per capital is about $15,000 (Nigeria's is $2000 big big shame). On a worldwide scale Botswana does quite well in some areas such as GDP/capital, economic growth and literacy but in areas such as HIV it has about the highest infection rate in the world. Overall though it fairs much better than other African countries but being the best of the worst does not make a country successful.

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I guess it is up to the poster how they define success when they thought of this topic

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Good topic. I wish I had an answer.

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Botswana is successful - No?

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corruptive greed, lack of discipline, lack of self worth, and lack of need. Every time a black nation gets into a bit of a jam, they jump at the opportunity to accept the whit and or yellow mans help to get them out of it instead of persevering in finding their own creative ways to pull themselves out. This has incurred upon the these nations a very needy mentality, too needy to get anything productive done on their own.

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