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Nigerian Schools' Disciplinary System; How Effective Is It?

Canning/thrashing/whooping etc whichever way you see it.

IS IT THAT EFFECTIVE? In the sense that does that means a young child wont go back to do what he/she was been canned for.

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I dont like schoolc whom would physicaly abuse students. I remembered when I was young, I was constantly cane for not doing my home work but all it ended me up is to even not do my homwowrk even more and also to make me skip school all the time so no. I dont agree with this kinda system being taken place in any schools whatsoever matter

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The second sentence is basically stating that most pubescent girls in Nigeria suppress their sexual demons because of extreme fear of getting pregnant due to the Nigerian style contraception (Mother's response). They have pregnaphobia, hence when an opportunity occurs to have intercourse, they are too scared to go through with it and most withdraw as the fear overcomes any sexual excitement.

In the UK, the pubescent children have little/minimal regards for parents opinion, hence lower fear of pregnancy and are willing to get their freaky on at 13 yrs old.

I am more bothered about sexual activity before 18 (i.e. pubescent).

It does exist in Nigeria but way below that in the West at all classes.

Yep, it is mostly because of poverty we have gangs. But when you have kiddy gangs (which does not exist in Nigeria or Saudi) it is because of poor upbringing like lack of corporal punishment in the case of UK. In Nigeria if your parents do not beat you as a kiddy gang member, the police or someone in the neighbourhood will flog you.

There is a difference between demand for a government to have policies for skilling the populance, job creation and sharing limited resources, and demanding a government to do not only the basics for you but extras to enjoy your life whilst sitting on your bum all day.

Innercity kids in the UK have better access to knowledge and resources than any middle-class kid in the third world (not only Africa). The standard of life they live is on par, if not superior, to that of those in lower middle-class in Nigeria so I think they are comparable.

The point of the 12-20 shoot and shank is that you do not see 12-18 doing this in places like Nigeria (in inner or outer city).

I will prefer my area boys.

N200 is enough to remove any threat and I will even get extras through praise singing with a deep voice (Alaye Baba, tiyin la she o. Ko ni da fun anybody to ba bosi wa ju yin, a ma gba emi e teba ti fun wa ni instructions). At least all they want is money for the next meal.

Crib will shoot me for looking them in the eyes as that is disrespect, no negotiations.

Armed robbers are everywhere with poor and inadequate security provisions by governments, has nothing to do with corporal disciplines in schools.

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http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-294599.0.html

goodluck. I tried. even the mods are clueless about how it works

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I'm glad you agree even though I don't get your second sentence.

yea I guess this does have to do with discipline. the kids are probably of age (above 18) when they get pregnant. The parents might dislike this but they feel that they have no power over it as child before marriage is more acceptable here. more of a cultural issue than discipline issue

in naija, 18 yrs are not really independent adults. and even if a wealthy man's daughter gets pregnant, she is more likely to abort it. It's too bad we don't have abortion statistic for naija 'cause i'm sure there is sexual activity going on with most youth. maybe not as much as in naija but it's there.

I would ask you the same question. do you think it is lack of discipline that causes gangs in US?  You yourself have answered that the answer is no. I don't think discipline has to do with it. poverty most likely.

gangs in US and UK are mostly associated with the innercity and poorer neighborhoods

aren't you the one that pointed out that one of the disciplinary flaws UK has is their demands on the govt? and here u're asking for a training opportunity and govt help for the poor. lol

again, you are comparing university students in naija (middle class and above etc) to street innercity kids in UK.

that's like me comparing area boys and touts to university students in UK.

I don't think kids 12-20 shoot and shank other kids on the average american or UK street except maybe in the innercity or the bad neighborhoods.

and yes I prefer if there are Crib gangs to area touts and armed robbers. at least I know US, UK gangs mostly attack each other in their gang wars or what u may call it.

I will try to repost the invisible post from earlier.

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I beg to disagree.

Nigerian school pupil behaviour would be one of the best in the world. What you can challenge is academic achievement, which other factors have a larger bearing on.

I agree with you hear, there are development opportunities in our approach and my personal philosophy is more aligned to this you have stated. And even the flogging should be in moderation.

But if I was to chose second best between flogging being the leading discipline tool and no flogging at all but negotiate with the child being the disciplining tool, then no doubt I will go for the former.

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My post is disappearing after posting on this thread only.

Let me see if this one sticks.

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gosh so long. lol

lol. the fear is that they will throw you out or you will be ostracized by family and society. I mean beating won't take the baby out of your tummy!! unless the plan is to abort it that way lol

here children usually become of legal and independent age when they turn 18. they can work and all that so they're not really scared of being "thrown out" whereas in naija, "children" continue to live with their parents into their mid 20s etc lol of course no parent wants the extra mouth to feed.

with americans once you're 18 u can pretty much do anything u want. u're no longer a child. you're an adult!! even though you're still a teenager.

about societal implication, just as in naija, teen pregnancy is rarer in wealthier places than in poor places.

It happens in naija too!!! just doesn't appear in the news or in data.

but i guess this sort of has to do with discipline. americans need to discipline their kids more about sex and drinking.

but what have you got to say about naija's area boys and touts? They are very rampant in the country. would you blame that on naija's school's disciplinary system?

oh and also armed robbers.

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No, that is not disrespecful.

Those kids were on some serious sugar. They were too hyper no matter what you tell them. They not only come back for a hug, they demand it and cry if not given in time.

I love kids and can play with them all day (I even pick strangers kids at parties to their nigerian parents astonishment).

But also apply discipline only if needs be, after consistent warning, and if I feel they are demonstrating behaviours that should not be ingrained.

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all I know is that in all my years of secondary school, I never saw any body I know dropped out from my school and neither did any of my mates suffer from depression/mental disability resulting from whopping/flogging! I am tired of these teachers in the US calling my parents reporting that my teenage brothers didn't do their homework! uuuhm, WHOP the hell outta them! they ain't doing anything except video games.

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Does USA have any refined definition of respect whatsoever?

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lol awww

so u support them hugging and jumping on you? some naija adults will consider that disrespectful. no kidding lol

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elders get more respect in naija definitely, i agree, but at the expense of trust and self confidence of the youth.

I think US adults are ok with commanding less "respect" than their naija counterpart. ex. only naija adults are referred to as "elders" as a title

again, the definition of respect is different in naija than US.

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Bleep you is a western phrase.

the yoruba or pidgin equivalent is used (i am a witness to a elder, youth fight in naija lol cane was involved trust me)

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No child dares says Bleep you to their elders in Nigeria, except amongst your lost wannabees in Ikoyi and VI. They will flog him like an armed robber.

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not most of them say that to their elders. just the rebellious ones. just as we have rebellious kids in naija where no amount of flogging will change them

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Nigeria or USA?

I say let those that can be save, be saved.

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The day the mother (an ex's sister) left me to babysit them for 3 hours and they did it again, I smacked them both very well and even smacked them for crying out loud. They never did it again.

Yet the kids still love me and I only told my ex what I did because the mother was those that wanted to do follow-follow with the west.

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that's part of morals. a child that doesn't revere adults in naija is said to lack morals.

children less than 3? r u kidding? when i lived in naija my cousins will do the same and play with u. unless their strict parents are around then they will turn very numb and reserved. i don't think this is good for the self esteem

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If not stopped at home, it should be stopped at school. If not stopped at school, thee's almost no hope.

1. Lack of resources. . . .does Nigeria have Magnet programs? Most Magnet programs now offer first-in hand experience. High school kids going to the hospital etc.

2. Rich getting richer- The rich can buy their status. reason why most of our politicians are jakujaku.

3. Children are losng interest in learning, nothing can be done since parents keeps protesting against discipline.

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I am not talking about morals, i am talking about upbringing that encourages reverence for adults.

I have been to families where the children less than 3 was trying to spit at me and thinking it was funny. A Nigerian brought-up child would know better even by that age.

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for example US teachers will feel disgusted if you knelt to them whereas some naija teachers require it. definition of morals is different in these societies

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Believe me, it is not extremes, it is typical.

I mean typical.

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come on now. those are extremes.  

interesting but why haven't our schools produced great leaders?

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not all children in naija will do that. lol unless their parents are around n they're scared of getting spanked. lol

it's not always upbringing but the child's nature. some children are naturally sweet like that and some are not

also, it depends on what the parents/adults seek. most american, UK adults are not interested in being these authority figures and really don't want kids to kneel for them. they prefer when kids say their mind most of the time and encourage it. lol naija parents on the other hand, it's a different case.

that's why i said that definition of morals in naija is different from morals in uk, us

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Oh please don't make me puke!

We have a backward govt because of a faulty historical electoral system, tribal inclinations, belief in affluency polarisaiton, historical and endemic corruption and not because of corporal punishment.

What a disjointed argument.

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Ohh, how I so wish Nigeria was best Gorverned.

We must remember that what we're fortunate to have, others wish they do.

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We don't use violence, we use discipline and it sends a good message.

No.

I can tell if a child is british brought up or nigerian brought up by my first interactions with them.

Over here, I say hi to a 3 year old and she might look at me with disdain and say No in a cute way, and when you play with them they hit you hard. In Nigeria, I put my had out once to a cute child to say hi and the went on her knees and said good afternoon, i was in shock as i was not used to it anymore.

That to me is signs of good upbringing.

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thank you. Our disciplinary system has failed if it doesn't show results in Nigerian society. garbage in garbage out

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what bamowolo is saying is that upon all our so called superior form of discipline, we still have a backward govt and failed education system.

our disciplinary system is not so superior after all

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according to you the UK is a moral decay but why is Nigeria also in a moral decay if our kids are getting their behinds massaged on the regular?

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Has corporal punishment in schools positively influenced Nigerian society?

Using violence sends the wrong message.

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This guy, you and your disconnected arguments.

So is it because of lack of corporal punishment that the "undisciplined" West meddled in a lot of foreign countries affairs and started wars that killed millions all in the name of cold war?

Is it because of lack of corporal punishment that the "undisciplined" West that we have racism towards the black man?

Can you see how disjointed these arguments are?

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yea i guess ur right but

I don't think just because some parents care about the welfare of their kids mean they're spoilt.  

some parents just need to be more committed to their children's welfare ex. making time to ask their children how was school, how they're doing, what happened today in school, going for PTA meetings (my mom never missed this when i was young) etc rather than ignoring these important things and then resorting to the cane when the child does something wrong without understanding the circumstances around their wrong doing.

for a child to curse a teacher, it means he/she wasn't brought up well at home and in his environment. I mean if you are scared to curse ur parents because they will beat u but u go to school and curse your teacher because they don't beat u, that means that child hasn't been taught morals. a child that is properly taught will kno that it is bad whether or not he/she gets whooped for it.

the whooping the child will receive doesn't mean he/she will not go some place else and curse his peers etc. but i do agree that the fear will be instilled for the teacher (fear might seem like a positive thing but it's ultimately negative because the student will find it hard to approach the teacher abt questions etc). so i guess there are positive and negative aspects to corporal punishment. i think mostly negative tho

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Okay, so they have ghetto thugs. But if you know the right group of people to follow, you won't have problems achieving.

But in Naija, you no get choice. What they say goes and no police help.

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nigeria has available resources. The problem is that the "disciplined" Nigerians squander this resources.

Cultism and political thugs is a great example of how this discipline has failed us

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Some are cruelty and if it can be proven then the teacher should be warned, another occurence, should be relieved of his job.

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dat waz yo skool innit?. . . well i witnessed a guy in my skool being flogged continuosly. . . . asin da guy waz beggin da teacher 2 just let him go use da toilet but da teacher refused n kept on floggin all becuz he dint do his homework. . . Imagine??! sumtymz u think, dnt they hve feelings?? ah mean dat waz just cruel

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That is a problem with illiteracy not corporal punishment.

If we did, then we will have the societal and moral breakdown they have which contributes to them being economically comfortable but yet miserable.

That is why I love countries like Greece, they are the black whites. They will smack the hell out of a wayward child.

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when time comes, we will catch up with the developed world and abolish coporal punishment.

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That is completely wrong and should be addressed but that does not justify us abolishing corporal punishment.

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that's the only reason I won't say much against corporal punishment in africa. we're not that developed to come up with a solution. but that doesn't mean that beating up kids is a good thing.

imagine when i was a student in naija, they beat kids because their parent can't afford to pay school fees. why should the student be punished for their parent's misfortune?

trust me, i've seen a student being flogged to the extent that she threw up and worse could have happened.

some teachers just like beating because they're frustrated i tell ya

one girl was brought the front of the assembly and beaten mercilessly because the "guardians" accused her of witchcraft.

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Where did you grow up? You have been listening to spiced stories by older people in your family?

I grew up in Nigeria and I never saw student being flogged like if they robbed a bank or killed someone.

I am a living example of someone that was smacked repeatedly by teachers because I was very naughty, modestly popular/notorious and a total maverick that broke rules. I was not smacked like a bank robber.

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Thank you jo, they think that the American style would work especially in a village in Africa.

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I would have probably spent the next 6 years after SS3 ( or SS1) playing video games, going to parties and chasing girls if not for the discipline I feared.

And after the 6 years when I had my head straight and saw the reality of life, I would have forgotten most of the little I learnt and went to a crap university where my aspirations would have been lower and ended up struggling in also-ran, low-paid jobs and moaning about how I will ensure my kids don't make my mistakes.

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Most students I know like the social aspect and will go to school for that show off and wannabe part.

Learning only interest them when they can learn very few things that "they feel like learning, to the extent they wish and at the pace they want".

Smacking ensured most of us bloody well learnt what we needed to learn, in its entirety and close to our capacity.

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I can't even begin to tell you about the TERRIBLE decisions i would have made, were it not for my parents.

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CHILDREN NEED DISCIPLINE AND STRUCTURE.

When a mother cannot discipline her children, then they might drive her crazy, abi una never hear wey woman go kill her children? The women snapped because they couldn't control there children. The news is filled with countless breadwinners who slaughtered there children.

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I would probably have quit school after SS3 or even in SS1 because I had no interest in the process. Thank god my father was my father.

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depends on the school they go to and their upbringing as well.

if i'm going to school everyday to get flogged by frustrated teachers i will feel the same way.

most students i kno like school. it's not just a learning environment but also a social one

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lol. . dat is soo wrong. . . if u not careful, dat will make them worse n even course more problemz. there are whole lot of oda wayz 2 deal wid a child than raisin yo hand n NOPE, i wudnt advice n1 2 speak rudely 2 their mum n therefore dnt keep such 'acquaintances'

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