«Home

Should Nigerian Polytechnics Be Converted Into Universities?

Do you support the Federal government plans to systematically turn polytechnics into universities?? Who will be responsible for the training of middle-level manpower if polytechnics are no longer available??

Avatar
Newbie
75 answers

What is the best poly in NIgeria? Find the answer below.

READ ALSO: Best poly in Nigeria – 10 top

0
Avatar
Expert

If it remains the same as HND awarding institution is there any benefit to you or Nigeria? When Nigerian are no longer intrested in HND what will the product of the polytechnic be doing? No body want the the polytechnic product and parent of the crop of the polites are not happy about the school.

0
Avatar
Newbie

They cant just be converted like that, they need to go through rigorous upgradings and accreditations

Standard of teaching needs to improve, lecturers need to undergo re-training to come up to an acceptable standard

Admission criteria needs to be overhauled and teaching methods amongst other things would help towards a transition

I doubt all this can be done easily, it would always be beneficial to have the divide in tertiary education and i vote for the system to stay the same

0
Avatar
Newbie

Collect data of such and write a petition to head of service through the NBTE executive secrestary Dr Nuru Yakubu.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@HND-holder

We can no longer wait again. Thank God u people have waited on our behalf before. The thing is paining me day by day.

0
Avatar
Newbie

We waited for 32 years to get here. Wait now easy.

0
Avatar
Newbie

This is not the issue of getting the white paper, it is in black & white that customs advertised for employment recently and discriminated HND graduates by saying that they will be employed as inspectors (level 07) instead of Assistant Supt of customs (ASC) (level 08).

@HND-holder

Please tell me, is there any discrimination that is worse than this?? Even Prisons and immigration are currently recruiting and they are doing same to HND graduates, taking them as inspectors (level 07) instead of Assistant Superintendants (level 08).

I tell you there is still discrimination against HND holders and it is the Federal civil service that is worst affected.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Thing will be better, get a copy of the white paper call all affected staff and let move to meet the authority.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@HND-holder

They are still discriminating against HND graduates; if not how can dey be employing them as level 07 instead of 08.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Scheme of service is the issue that will change.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@HND-holder

No gains until they remove the discrimination completely and not partially against HND holders. Why should HND holders be employed as level 07 in the federal civil service instead of level 08?? is level 07 not meant for NCE holders?? is level 08 not for HND and Degree holders?? How comes dey are employing HND holders as level 07 officers now??

Let them address this issue o.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Engineers List Gains in Removal of Bias Against HND Holders

Daily Trust (Abuja)

NEWS

15 July 2008

Posted to the web 15 July 2008

By Abubakar Ibrahim

Abuja

The removal of discrimination against Higher National Diploma (HND) holders in employment opportunities will propel the technological growth of Nigeria, the Nigerian Association of Technologists in Engineering (NATE) has said.

Addressing newsmen at the NUJ press centre in Abuja during the weekend, NATE President, Chief Leo Okereke said the elimination of bias would revitalise Technical Vocational Education (TVE), regenerate student intake into polytechnics, reduce undue pressure in university admission and unnecessary emphasis on paper qualification as well as introduce healthy competition between universities and polytechnics and increase productivity in the civil service.

Other gains include balancing of the man-made imbalance in professional practice, provision of choice in the job market, lending of credence and creditability on polytechnics and their products and changing the face of polytechnics in Nigeria.

Chief Okereke said NATE, a body of practical engineers representing polytechnic graduates has been "in the fight for the emancipation of this group from the claws of the cabals that hoisted this unnecessary discrimination" since its establishment in 1970 and has thirty-two years later won the battle against discrimination.

He commended President Umaru Musa Yar'adua, former President Olusegun Obasanjo, former education minister Oby Ezekwesili, NBTE executive secretary Dr. Nuru Yakubu and members of the Natrional Assembly for "dismantling the monstrous dichotomy, discrimination and stagnation mounted against polytechnics and its graduates in Nigeria for decades".

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Copyright © 2008 Daily Trust. All rights reserved. Distributed by AllAfrica Global Media (allAfrica.com).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

0
Avatar
Newbie

The relegation of technical know-how in general manifests in many ways in Nigerian society.

Parents want their children to become doctors and lawyers but rarely do they recommend Technologists and Technicians as role models for their kids. When you mention polytechnic education, people think of nitty-gritty hard labour jobs, out in the sun in shorts and rolled up sleeves stained with oil and grease.

But we cannot also fail to recognize the dangers posed to Nigeria's progress by the national obsession with white-collar professions and vocations at the expense of the no-less-important technical education and skills acquisition aspect. This issue has assumed alarming dimensions in the context of the increasing importance of technical know-how and technology in general in world development. The uncomfortable truth staring at us is that the modern world is TECHNOLOGY DRIVEN, with fewer premiums on memo-pushing white-collar jobs that lure our people. The urgent steps taken by the federal government to realign our educational bearings are highly welcome it will dovetail into the ongoing worldwide technological revolution.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Why do you need Poly when Nigerian do not want it? Why are you not in Poly? How many parent want his or her Children to go to Poly?

0
Avatar
Newbie

If there is a plan to creat more technical colleges for practical experiences which will be supported by Universities, then it will be ok. but if not, it is better we still have Poly

0
Avatar
Newbie

Thanks to all, When will the house pass this law.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Hello,

   I greet all my fellows NairaLand user, infact you have all done a good job. My only contributon to the matter on ground is that president obasanjo has really done a great job, because the situation we are in Nigeria now need to find something urgent done if only we want to get out of our slavery. As we all know that any nation that neglet technology, we serve its other counterpart, in Nigeria we need to find the way to  advance technologically. And the only way to do it is to merge polytechnic with the university, so there will be no more discrimination, and besides, govermnent should pass the kind of bill out that will purnish any employer that descriminate.

                                                                                                   Petogunlad

                                                                                        richladlove4real@yahoo.com

                                                                                                  0806-882-7020

0
Avatar
Newbie

Welcome as we are now in transistion level. Asup must be warming up For ASUU level

0
Avatar
Newbie

So if the polytechnic is scraped let it be with NBTE and ASUP so that HND that Nigerian hate so much as DEVIL can die.

0
Avatar
Newbie

You are correct. Most of the polytechnic lecturers/ASUP members are not polytechnic HND graduates.

0
Avatar
Newbie

HND is not the point, Nigerian simply do not want polytechnic. So ASUP member shall now be ASUU they will now be University lecturer. Nothing change except expansion of university like Silsoe college former Uk polytechnic now campus of Cranfield University. They still have the HND stuff with PhD and D.Engr.

Why will you continue to produce what the society will not LOVE. We are their product, How many HND holders in ASUP? ASUP is myopic and selfish. University make use of their product why cant Polytechnic do that.

The so call graduates are just mafia looking for job for their product, they want slaves we are calling for FREEDOM

0
Avatar
Newbie

ASUP may want to go on strike not because of the removal of disparity between HND and Degree but because of the abolishment of HND programs/certificate as well as the educational reforms which ultimately makes all polytechnics to become campuses of universities and not independent polytechnics as before. They have a good point there, after all ASUU have been going on strike times without number for reasons far far behind what ASUP are planning to strike against.

0
Avatar
Newbie

ASUP planned strike ill-advised -Leo Okereke, NATE president

Before now, graduates of polytechnics were treated as

poor cousins in relation to their counterparts from

the universities. The reason being that the Higher

National Diploma offered by the polytechnics is

considered rather inferior to the degree. To underline

this discrimination, most employers of labour in the

country apart from giving undue preference to

university graduates during their job recruitment also

did not see anything wrong in placing a ceiling above

which holders of HND could not be promoted.

But this is one state of affairs that has received a

lot of knocks from several quarters, especially from

those concerned who considered the existing disparity

between these two categories of graduates as rather

untenable since it is not based on any known

parameters of performance or competence on the job.

  The Federal Government may have been persuaded to

buy their argument as it recently erased the disparity

between Higher National Diploma from polytechnics and

first degrees in universities. In this exclusive

interview with our Imo State Correspondent, Chidi

Nkwopara, the National President, Nigerian Association

of Technologists and Engineers (NATE), Chief Leo

Okereke, is full of gratitude to the Federal

Government for taking the step to redeem the values

and job ratings of products of polytechnics, just as

he cautions teachers in the nation’s polytechnics

against embarking on an ill-advised strike at a time

they should be celebrating the government’s

heart-warming gesture. Excerpts:

HOW do members of NATE see the recent cancellation of

the disparity between HND holders and degree holders?

We are very grateful to the Federal Executive Council

(FEC) for ratifying the new policy on education

reforms, making HND to be at par with first degree.

The HND holders in Nigeria will not forget this

administration in a hurry, especially those who

thought they made a mistake by attending polytechnic

or College of education.

Don’t you think that those who have sat on this

development over the years may ultimately have a

different view from you?

Anybody has a right to his or her own view. Such

person or persons have the right to commend or condemn

any administration depending on how it impacts on the

individual or individuals. I must say that this

administration headed by Chief Olusegun Obasanjo is

the best as far as HND holders are concerned. We are

very grateful to Baba for bailing graduates of the

country’s polytechnics from years of educational

discrimination.

What do you have to say about the claim that the

matter was not debated exhaustively before the Federal

Government took the decision?

Those who feel that the stakeholders did not debate

the matter exhaustively are only being economical with

the truth. This discrimination in remuneration and

limit to progression in work place has been going on

for the past 30 years. Some HND holders have been on

14-year stagnation sentence on Grade Level 14 in

various ministries all over the federation. This is

not fair in any way. Apart from bringing an end to the

rancour and unnecessary dissipation of energy which

the dichotomy between HND and first degree have

generated over the years, it is justice at last for

the HND holders who have been at the mercy of

entrenched civil servants who are the protagonists of

the superiority of first degree in remuneration and

placements. The Federal Government deserves to be

highly commended for this bold and drastic decision

which is a quality addition to the list of the

dividends of democracy.

While still relishing in the euphoria of the

development, what have you to say of the threat by the

leadership of the Academic Staff Union of Polytechnics

(ASUP) to embark on strike?

I shall not say that I have not heard about this

threat by ASUP. Honestly, it beats my imagination to

hear that members of ASUP can even contemplate on such

an idea, especially people who should be stakeholders

in the polytechnic system. It’s unimaginable. It is a

fact that ASUP produces finished products that were

roundly discriminated against, possibly rejected by

the society for 30 years. The current Federal

Government then decided to address the matter with

finality and in favour of ASUP and polytechnic

products and instead of congratulating President

Obasanjo and his team, ASUP preferred to threaten a

strike action. Something is really wrong somewhere.

What advice do you have for ASUP in this direction?

If I had my way, I would have preferred that ASUP

leadership shelves the planned strike. If they do not

heed to this advice, the Union’s members would be the

worse for it. NATE will frown at any attempt by

anybody or group of persons to truncate this good

gesture from the Federal Government.

How do you see the reforms of the Federal Government,

especially in the education sector?

We are united with the Federal Government on the

on-going reforms. I must say  that there would be

disruption of academic activities in the nation’s

polytechnics if ASUP goes ahead with their threat to

go on industrial action. NATE is already planning its

own antidote.

What will NATE do if ASUP goes ahead with the strike?

It will readily call up its members to go to the

classrooms and teach those coming behind us. We shall

call out all HND holders in Nigeria, no matter their

discipline, to come and lecture the young lads in

school. We shall equally call out all those who are

sympathetic to this educational racism and

segregation, to assist in making the new policy to

work. NATE is very prepared to do legitimate battle

with anybody or group that willingly wants to destroy

our new found educational freedom. NATE does not see

any rationale for planning to go on strike. I cannot

understand why or how ASUP will be releasing products

from their production lines that are discriminated

against in the labour market and somebody comes to

remove the discrimination and ASUP leadership plans

industrial action. It is senseless.

The Federal Executive Council may have approved the

new policy but the feeling is that approvals have

never been equivalent to laws. What are your views?

This is the fear being expressed by concerned citizens

of this country. We sincerely plead with the Federal

Government to urgently back the reforms by law. This

has been the fear expressed by many that the legal

documents have not been prepared or signed into law. I

have no iota of doubt that the present administration

cannot institute its reform programmes without

necessarily legalising them. What is now left to be

done, as far as the engineering profession is

concerned is that the Council of Registered Engineers

of Nigeria (COREN) Act should undergo an urgent review

with a view to amending it to reflect this new Federal

Government policy.

Page 42 of vanguard news paper Posted to the Web: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

N .I. T. E.

Nigerian Institute Of Technologists in Engineering

  http://www.geocities.com/technologist_engr/principalpage.html

SMALL SCALE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE PL0T 4 LINCA WAY ISOLO.

P.O.BOX 3910 IKEJA LAGOS STATE.

PHONE: 01-4802798.

       

[left][/left]

0
Avatar
Newbie

Nigerian love buying and selling . So we shall buy even water from oversea abi

0
Avatar
Newbie

Theres no such thing as non-technical student in polytechnics ok.evry course has its technical aspect.I graduated from a polytechnic and i can tell you point blank tht i can beat any 400L student in my descipline.Polytechnic teaches you how to research and make necessary findinds NOT Uni.Go to Computer Village or Alaba and tell me how manu Degree holder you will find there.Most are Polytechnic students. So srap Poly. now and you will see tht 9ja kids abroad will come back home to out shine and take over from the home base ones.

What needs to be done is the conversion of POLYTECHNICS TO P-DEGREE SCHOOL so those who can't enter Uni thru JAMB shld go there and groom themselves and The Universities should upgrade to both Theory and Practical.4yrs is not to small to do tht(2yrs of theory & 2yrs of pure practicals)

Or wht do you fink?

0
Avatar
Newbie

They will all go back to conventional universities and graduate with BA or Bsc.

0
Avatar
Newbie

my own wander is if anybody has an idea what will happen to the non-technical students in the polytechnic?

0
Avatar
Newbie

It was real trap they set for you people.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Nigeria and Nigerians hate anything that has to do with Polytechnic. The most painful thing is that our government will come out on air decieving people that "polytechnic is the bedrock of technological development". I once listening to news one day when one of our Nigerian Ministers was making that statement. If truely poly is the bedrock of technological development, does it mean that they don't want Nigeria to develop technologically?? because they don't even encourage people to go to polytechnics at all, rather they want everybody to go to university and get a Degree even if it is in yoruba, Hausa, Ibo or Religion. And people with BA Degrees in languages and Religion are given better attention and priority than people with HND in Engineering, Science and Technology. Banks prefer to employ BA History or BA Yoruba to HND Accountancy; why??

0
Avatar
Newbie

Yes People will operate OKADA with degree than to be technically sound in the polytechnic that would made him employer of labour.

0
Avatar
Newbie

yes o, i agree with you. Employers could simply push up the minimum grade to 1st class as against the present 2.1. Degree certificates would become worthless because everybody whether fit to get a Degree or not will definitely get it.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Food for thought: One of the HR big dogs in my firm made the statement that with this conversion, the first batch to graduate better come out with 1st class because with all those degree holders, the minimum will move to 1st class.

Talk about further disenfranchising our youth.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Then let everyone get a University Degree and lets see if that would solve the problem of underdevelopment in Nigeria.

0
Avatar
Newbie

We as a nation produce such a level of hatred towards technical jobs, everybody want degree eh!

0
Avatar
Newbie

@Ismael

Don't blame 'em they are bunch losers who thinks they are doing great thing.Check out this topic.Diff. btw Polytechnics and Universities and ya all shld tell me wht u think

0
Avatar
Newbie

but what actually is our problem in Nigeria?? why are we so crazy about certificates and not skills and knowledge??

0
Avatar
Newbie

Maybe they should convert the universities to universities!

0
Avatar
Newbie

some nigerians are against the educational reforms most especially the conversion of polytechnics and colleges of education into university campuses. They claimed that the reforms were carried out without proper consultations with heads of such schools, NUC, NBTE, NCCE and employers of labour. I see the reforms as something that will not stand the taste of time. What is your own opinion??

0
Avatar
Newbie

Both NUC, NBTE are now scrapped and replaced with new commission and the draft bill is out . check front page of MONDAY 2/4/2007 guardian newspaper for details

0
Avatar
Newbie

Please Nigeria do not need Engineers since all Nigerian wants is importation of goods (Buy and Selling) So technician hat can maintain the junks. No made in Nigeria things right now.

0
Avatar
Newbie

yeah i think so too, nogerian polytechnics are even more better than the universities academically,

0
Avatar
Newbie

I don't know what to say about this discussion because u have said it all. But what i say is that if our Government can make what they have said about marging HND and BSC to be at thesame level it will be better because the discremination is getting too much.

Imaging somebody that complete HND is it not a Graduate. pls let me no.

0
Avatar
Newbie

@ kobe

I think that should be the way things come out, i think normally when people finish some diploma course they get to go stright to year 2 of their course in university.

the problem would be the transition from polytechnic into the university.

bulga: i agree the new minsiter is more of a talker than a do-er, shes said so much and done/implement very little.

0
Avatar
Newbie

I'd rather be good than lucky, but there are certain notions in life where luck is a necessity. Such is the case with the Nigerian Board of Education.

In all fairness, the misconstrued belief that only dull students attend polytechs is ludicrous.

If ever a system can be coined where polytech students can transfer as continuing students to more-advanced 4 year institutions after perhaps 2-3 years at polytechnics where the students are able to meet/complete core requirements in their chosen field of study.

The plan is to give students the ability to transfer to their schools of choice through transfer agreement plans. Much like the U.S. where CC students can transfer into prestigious universities.

It does seem however that the system of education as it stands in Nigeria is almost irreversible. Fixture is a daunting task but conversion of polytechs into Unis will solve nothing.

Sure it will lead to more admissions, but the cons outweigh the pros.

p.s. there are problems with my proposal but it was worth mentioning.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Then there will be no more polytechnics again, abi??

0
Avatar
Newbie

i think it is possible for polytechnics 2 be converted to university. it will even stop the dicrimination that it is only the brilliant ones that are in the university while the dull ones are in the polytechnics.

0
Avatar
Newbie

I think they want more theoretical people than practical-oriented people in the country.

0
Avatar
Newbie

what da, ? polys into uni's?ooh cos they want more people to have bsc huh? instead of the fg to create more university or better stil encourage the creation of more private universities to accomodate the increasing number of secondary school grauduate, all they are thinking of is ungrading the poly which i find annoying and disturbing.

0
Avatar
Newbie

Good jobs guys, we all need each other both poly and uni to become achievers. The head cannot stand on its own it needs the body as well.

Remember, Good thinking, good product.

harmonizing the two or three institutions will help the country a great deal but bearing one name will distroy the system to a large extent.

Cheers guys.

0
Avatar
Newbie
Your answer
Add image

By posting your answer, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service.