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Why Are Nigerian Cartoons Rare?

pls landers can you guys give reasons why no body or organisation in nigeria is trying to make good cartoons that will go into the international market. every family in nigeria seems to have the lion king cartoon in their home collection but how many ngerian cartoons do we have to sell to the world. pls you guys should give me clue cos i really dream big for the nigerian tv industry.

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I draw, I do graffix and graffiti yet I dont always have enough to buy materials.

I think you dad would think wall graffiti is child's play.

Anyway, check out www.crashercomics.com.

The guy is an OAU product, tryn to work his way to the top, he could do with some money encouragement.

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oh boy, our movies never tite finish, na cartoon wey we wan do, wonders shall never end oh.

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Maybe in the next 100years before Nigeria will be able to make a standard cartoon that will reach the international market.

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Maybe in the next 100years before Nigeria will be able to make a standard cartoon that will reach the international market.

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cartoons, when we never do movies well well, u dey talk about cartoon. bros cool down dat one na 10 years time im go happen.

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Hey guys theres this new ent company coming up its called PROMINENT CEASE ENTERTAINMENT they are bringing out a Nigeria series thats called DCOMEBACK and its shot over in America you can check www.prominentcease.com to see what they do. at last Nigerians can be extremly proud of their ent.please lets all support them their stuff is sick and high quality

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nigerian carttoon? where? what will they be showing ? looting and corruption , mikkey obasanjo

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@ Sirgai,

I'll get back atchya.

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@ Gdon

I'm not saying the video was up to standard, but that it won an award, period!

I've seen a couple of videos u did after that and though there was serious improvement,

the songs were crappy and the work went with them into obscurity.

So, u might want to choose who u work with.

@ Sirgai,Gdon,Darkman,

What I'm seeing in this forum is a group of men that can take this thing to another level,

each of us has skills in varying areas, and everyone has his strong point.

and my bet is if we can work together, we can break barriers and really get to start something

just a suggestion

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@ grafikdon

Been wanting to meet with the persn/people who did Chika and i knew instantly it was the same crew that did ijoya. i'm with ICStudios and we do 2D animation, i'll like for us to meet and discuss, i'm sure we can help each other out towards yuour next project. have you ever thought of a collabo job?

We do Illustrations, Comics, Animation, Video graphics/production and Advertising.

Lets talk. call the office on 01-8752922 or call me on my cell 08023515239. just ask to speak with sirgai.

expecting.

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Abeg gdon

My wish is that its not 1 person, but two

And that the other person is you. haba dont u cringe when u watch it nowadays!?!??!/!?/1?

moondust

The one eyed will win award when everyone else is blind. Haba. Gdon is the very don but lets call a spade a spade!!!!! Eh! Dont let our one shot at animation talent degenerate into another nollywood

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haba darkman

dat video win award o! lol

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lol. . . EOTRS was a 2006 affair so that means there's been more improvement since then . . . watch out for Captain Waka Waka. . . lol just kidding on the Waka Waka ish.

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Macromedia Flash won't hurt. . . you can do a lot with it 'BUT'. . . lol there's a big ''BUT'' there o. I have seen loads of good flash stuff but there's no point arguing over the superiority and flexibility of good ol fashioned dedicated 2D apps. I think you can beat some sense outta Flash if you give it a good shot. . . folks have done it with stunning results.

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oi. thanks for the info, doe. Lol, seems learning 3D's out of the option -at least, for now. I'll have to settle for 2D n poo.

PS: #have you seen Dragonbooster? I like the animation-type. It looks like a hybrid between 2D and 3D. Does it fall in the 2D category? Let me know what you think.

PPS: was "Chika and the Warriors" 2D? (you're the one who did Chika, right?)

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@Gbade

Nah, those were stuff used before digital ink and paint. The new procedure now is to scan the drawing in a 2D animation program and finish the rest. You really need a fairly good computer, 2D program like Flipbook, pencil, lightbox (Drawing/tracing). . .not some archaic camera as big as a room and stacks upon stacks of see-through acetate. That's how the new Disney guys do it, That's how Miyazaki and his crew do it, Don Bluth, Mamoru Oshi. . . for 3D that's a different ball game because if you really don't want to fool yourself into believing you're doing something, you gotta have them high tech workstations with a crap load of RAM and pretty decent graphic card. . .

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but if you're gonna do animations as in cartoons, won't you need them high-tech gizmos? if it's comic-wise, hey i can't dig that, but with them 3D and poo. . .i'm a little bit curious here

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@Gbade

Yup. . . I know exactly whatyamean. I have a Wacom tablet gathering dust since 2003, never really used it much because NOTHING can substitute the flexibility and freedom pencil/pen and paper.I've tried em all. . . tablet PC, Intuos. . . I draw the old fashioned way and scan, be it storyboards or illustrationn. . .

@Initiator, I'll notify you if anything pops up.

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yeah well. . .i got me some packages on my PC (Macromedia Dreamweaver and the likes). i haven't gotten around to learning animation with the computer. still donn't feel comfortable with it. lol, i'm more of the pencil-pad kinda person. i still do it the traditional way y'nah what i mean?

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@ grafikdon,

i do some prose and very much in the writing-creative zone. Am interested in giving some storyline-conversatiomal build to any of ya projects.

If interested holla me @ chidi@369concepts.com

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@ grafik:

yo, i'm not sure but there was an old friend of mine that approached me last year that he and a group of animators were tryin' ta do an animated series and an offer was made. I agreed, but poo got flunked for me 'cause of ma mom's demise. I haven't contacted the dude ever since then, don't even know how the animation's going along. I'ma see about contacting him though.

PS : you on Y!im?

PPS: did you exactly take a course or learn animating by yourself on those software packages (Lightwave, Maya e.t.c)? Cos i can sketch/draw on pad and poo, but using those software. . .nah

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Talking animal folklore may be a disgraceful route to take, but you can bend it to your will.

People mingling with talking animals is a valid setting that comes to mind.

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who is it that prefers those animated village stories.

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Answer: Nope,not at all.

Reason 1. Shoddy distribution

Reason 2. Zero promotion

Reason 3. Non Existent Distribution

Reason 4. Concept: They prefer animated 'village' stories with no western influence ( and I was trying very hard to side track such concept)

Reason 5. Lack of the drive to push it.

Reason 6. Swamped by other projects so eotrs was pushed to the background.

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question: was eotrs profitable?

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The amount involved is too little for you to go through the wire hassle. My bros will be in Lagos pretty soon, I guess I should work out something. I am not in Lagos but that shouldn't be a problem, if they have access to the internet, that should be enough. They will be dealing only with raw animation files which are usually not in anyway as huge as rendered files. I'll hit ya up asap.

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If they have issues, is there any way I can just wire the cash straight to you and have you send me the file via the web?

Also are you in Lagos? If so, could u IM me on yahoo- I may have 1 or 2 people to recommend to you

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Thanks for the info, grafik.

That would be Hungryflix.com, shey? Say, did you do it by yourself or there were other various artists?

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It's available on Hungryflix but unfortunately, there's a little issue at the moment, hopefully, it will be resolved asap.

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@gdon, How do I get a copy?

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lol @ gbade it is my animated short film; ''Enemy of the Rising Sun''

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ummm. . .at the risk of sounding ignorant, what's EOTRS??

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Yup, Approximately 21 minutes. Was made primarily for ipod/psp so there isn't really any plan for DVD release.

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Is it finished, then? full length? How do I get it?

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@ D'zero, good points as usual, with heavy reference to the purchase of original content. I am afraid Nigerians (sadly, most of us) have a penchant for 'stealing' original content. It is so bad with us that people who actually spend their hard earned money on contents they love are regarded as 'mugus' ,'ewu' or whatever we call fools' in Naija. Come to New York and see how Nigerians are peddling pirated Nolly movies (ridiculous dubbed to death with quality so bad you'd wonder if the viewers are under the influence of marijuana). I have a friend who has only bootleg DVDs in his 'collection' and refused to see anything wrong with that when I challenged him. I am very strict and sensitive about pirated contents and will ever remain that way!

On EOTRS, it's done and I won't really spend another moment fixing anything there. I'd rather shift that energy to a new production and make the improvements there. That's my best way of getting 'up there'. EOTRS was a learning experience. Figured out a lot of stuff along the line and even saw a lot the moment I stepped back and looked the the work. Armed with thee 'discoveries' I moved to a new project (to be announced later) which is better than EOTRS in every sense of the word.

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[EDIT: WHoa, Gdon! EOTRS is looking good! However some of the voice acting still needs work- I'm sure you'll find talent once someone bankrolls the project. The audio/mixing also needs work- I'm sure you'll find tutorials on the net, etc. I hope the screenplay and dialogue is good! The idea to use igbo accents is excellent! Static backgrounds should be a distraction, but you seem to do a good job of keeping them in the background. Great work!]

The problem is simple.

In Nigeria, no-one pays for intellectual property

even the rich will consider anyone that pays for music or video as silly or wasteful

when people see my original dvds, they give me a look that says 'whats your problem, is your money weighing you down?'

They will brandish a  dvd with 24 episodes of overcompressed, fourth-stage transcoding that they bought for N100 at Opebi with pride and relish, believing that they got a good deal, even though the discs are full of misssing episodes and poorly synchronized audio.

They will claim to 'love' a particular series or to be the series' 'biggest fan' but will NEVER spend any money on the original.

Even if it is presented to them at half price, or a quarter of the price, as long as a N50 pirated copy exists, they will rather get that even if the quality is terrrible.

I have friends who have sworn never to watch a movie at silverbird cinemas until the price becomes the same as the pirasted copies that flood the streets prior to theatrical releases. People who are deadly serious.

This is why I am pessimistic about the success of any creative endeavour that does not fall into the categories below:

Printed works - Novels, comic books. Pirated copies are not so widespread, and copying for friends is nontrivial.

Music - Downloading and copying is widespread, but radio licensing fees and live performances are where the money is made.

Television - Advertising revenue from TV is the only way you can make money from video.

As you can see, since radio and TV are basically controlled by the govt and corporations, your only real options for 'revolutionary' entertainment are Novels,comic books and live music. Since live music is basically useless without advance 'marketing' via radio, it leaves us with just novels and comic books. Since Nigerians do not have a culture of comic reading, the barrier to entry is higher so,

, write a novel.

The landscape is indeed bleak. Until someone convinces NTA that a cartoon will be watched by people that attract high-cost advertising, no cartoons for y'all.

(You realise I didnt mention Nollywood. I'm sure someone will bring that up in defense. Well, do so, I am interested in hearing things from that angle)

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@Sirgai, you are right. There's the big problem of marketing and distribution. I still remember that NEARLY EVERYONE in my neighbourhood big and small was hooked on that old Saturday morning Spiderman cartoon. The audince is there, the market is there but there seem to be a dearth of skilled people to get the job done, even when you get the capable ones, they'd rather work on their own stuff, or worse still,they'd make it known they're masters of the game when they can barely create a decent model. In addition, they don't even consider lighting as an integral part of the whole animation business, hence the murky gloomy lighting you see on most Naija animation. I can't begin to narrate my frustration when I tried to put together a team. . . everyone thinks they got it going when in reality they need to get down from their high horse and take a few hints from people who are ahead of the game. It was very frustrating and agonizing. I see that problem fading pretty soon, the signs are there.

To those who said Nigerians suck at those things, I'd like to inform you there are Nigerians who have worked on published Game boy/Xbox/PS2 titles and some Hollywood block busters. You can't tell me a company like Electronic Art or Konami will hire somebody who sucks.

We go get there, na small small.

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Kadey, seun, grafikdon and gbade have spoken the best.

the market for cartoons, animation and comics is large in nigeria. we are talking about it arent we? and if every nairaland member buys a comic book made in naija regularly i can make a career with it.

you will be amazed at the number of people who watched and still watch pinky and the brain.

My studio has been in the creativity business for a while and we've produce a comic book in the period and found the number one problem - marketing and distribution ( the people who like comic and animation are not accessed)

that and the following:

in Nigeria, everybody wants to do their own thing (it took Disney - with their $50million plus budget and over 200 animators) to do lion king, how long do you think it will take 1 person on no budget to do one?

We have the skills and structures, we dont have the direction, we dont have the team spirit.

For comics, people think its all about the colours or the action or even the art. comics is about all of this and more. most existing comic concepts we have are developed with just the creator in mind.

there's more but, in time.

in the mean time, anybody seriuosly interested in making Nigerian comics for home and abroad can call me. lets build the industry that's ripe to blow.

ICStudios - 08023515239 (ibrahim)

creativity is life

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does nigeria have cartoon? i didn't know that

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its simple , cuz they r crap all u see is some human being in a smelly turtle outfit@!@!!!

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@Seun, Since when did I start producing pornographic animation? If that's your idea of humour, I don't find it amusing. Please stick to the topic, that derogatory side swipe was totally uncalled for.

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Since cartoons are primarily for children, they must be about topics that children can identify with. No blood, sex, drugs, realistic violence, or Unclad old women (hmmm grafikdon). Just friendship, youth, adventure, heroes!

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@ Seun:

please explain more.

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Trust me, the problem is never with your customer. Nigerian kids appreciate cartoons as much as kids all over the world. The problem is with (1) Product quality - making cartoons to appeal to Nigerians (2) Marketing strategy.

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I'm not even after the funding and skills as i believe they are sufficient enough, harnessing them seems like the hitch there. . .

What i'm mainly after is your target/market base and their receptiveness to anything Fine Art. If we talk about Music, hey the average Nigerian goes all the way for it. But Fine Art? They treat it like poo and at most, they fine artist is likened to those hustlers by the roadside painting pictures.

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Funding a comic is not hard, if we find artists who have the talent and are willing to work hard for little pay initially, and allow a professional writer to participate in their creative process. We have people who can fund comics. Most American and Japanese cartoons (animes) start out as comics (mangas) and then money flows in for animation.

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they are rare because there is noboxy to fund it.Disney cant fund a nigerian cartoon because of the already tainted image of africa

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Before we can have fully animated cartoons, we need to start with comics. The skills are basically the same.

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Wow, man! You just spoke my mind. I was pretty shocked and speechless when some people towed the 'we shouldn't even try' and 'we are not capable' line. Nice to know there are people like you around.

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Untill creativity becomes lucrative or at least attractive in Nigeria, we will continue to fill our lives and homes with materials and concepts created abroad. And nobody is going to give a damn. It's a global village!

But how can our nation encourage creativity?

Govt should:

1. Enforce intellectual property rights. i.e destroy destructive monsters like Alaba Video pirate market and Ikeja software pirate markets and all other such markets. And hunt down pirates like dangerous criminals.

2. Provide basic infrastructures e.g power (you can't produce computer animations with candles and lanterns!)

Creators should:

1. Overcome the "African mentality" that we are not as good in creative endeavours as the the other races. We have brains just like the others and we can create stuff.

2. Work hard at your creativity. Success at creating is 0.5% genius and 99.5% raw sweat and toils.

3. Create for the fun of it. Enjoy creating and do not set your mind on making money as the sole purpose of embarking on creative endeavours. Money will come when the world admires your creation enough to pay for it. At that point there isn't any limit to how much money you can make (I agree. A bit of marketing or much of it will help!).

The following creative areas are currently under-expoilted and are massive opportunities for talented people to hit fortune in this country:

1. Script writing (for plays, movies and TV productions)

2. Songs writing

3. Graphic animations (the subject of this thread)

4. Stand-up Comedy

5. Softwares and Web Services

6. Fashion

7. Advert

8. Fine Art

9. Food (Yes.You can create a food variety and make a fortune!)

10.etc (You can as well think of others. That's how it all begins, )

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