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Would You Abort? Advice Someone To Abort? Is Abortion Murder?

first before i ask my question i would like to know if there is any girl in this forum that has committed an abortion and is bold enough to say so?

its illegal in some countries and maybe legal in some (not sure) and in nigeria i realy do not know of the law concerning abortion if there is any lets put the law aside for a minute

i know of a woman who took in an househelp form her village they came to lagos and one night she got lost and when they found her she had been Molested now i have never heard of someone been Molested and getting pregnant but believe it or not a month later they found out she was pregnant with out even thinking twice this lady took the girl for an abortion ..........God forbid this happen to you can i ear an Amen to that........ but if u did get Molested(God forbid) and got pregnant would you abort or if it happened to someone you know would tell the person to abort that pregnancy

or a normal sittuation husband and wife 5 children litle income they make a mistake the wife gets pregnant she aborts is that wrong

or young girl gets pregnant for her boyfriend put yourself in that situation would you abort

and finally guys your girl gets pregnant dont tell me you use condom we know sometimes this thing can fail .would u tell your pregnant girl friend to abort?

i think i would post my opinion later today

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I agree with factorchic.

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Well if  that 5% could have a decent life, is that not better then killing them. Also, 5% may seem small in percentage (even though not accurate) but lets say 100,000 drug babies are born a month throughout the world about  5,000 will have a good/decent life. Is that not worth it?

Believe me, i do understand where you are coming from, obviously you work with them, which is a beautiful job, so you know miles more than me about what they suffer but remember even if it is low, they have hope in their lives, as it has been proven by survivors.

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@ softee

Yipeeeeeeeeee we have a new drugbaby this week it's in icu now and when the baby is well enough to leave the hospital socialservice will take the baby and that baby will stay under the care off them till he is eightheen and put him on the street cause that"s the way the system works.And u know what that boy will use drugs cause he doesn't know nothing else.Or he will be a love-vendor making woman sell there body for him and if hey don't make enough beat the hell out off them.It's only 5% off these drugbaby"s will have a good life.I don't think it"s worthed to do this to children.And believe me i know what i am talking about cause am around them everyday.

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I would give it up for adoption to a loving family without taking a single glance at the child. But yes i do agree that it is easier said when you have never expirienced such creulty. However i do believe that would be the correct thing to do.

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I f u are impregnated by a member of your family would u have the baby

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No matter what you go through in it. Life is much too precious to miss out on.

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You are missing the point. It does not matter what the person went through all that matters is that they are well now. We all go through situations, illnessess, whatever it may be to make us who we are in life. Drug-babies have the right to live just as anybody else has. Some drug-babies may recover, some may not, however that does not mean they should be killed off. They should be given a chance in life just as anybody else.

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@SOFTEE

Thanks for your sweet lovely easier said than talk, were you there when she was going through all what she had to go through in life in the name of your hope or whatever, please lets be real , do you know how many like her are on the streets as we are talking right now with no hope according to you, how many have you picked up from the streets on your way home from work because you are hopeful, this is one thing about Nigerians you read too much more than what you are taught, the white man wont tell you anything about hope even though he taught you the word `HOPE`but you always take word from what they mean on the surface, but you fail to remember that the word hope might mean in this context that you are not supposed to give yourself room to be in a position to be waiting on the word HOPE according to you because you must have had all opportunity to have avoided been in this position of waiting on hope and giving your child the name HOPE, hope you got my drift,

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I disagree totally. When a woman conceives, her body is no longer hers. It is the babys, afterall the baby did not ask to be concieved. I have seen a lot of programmes on drug-babies and i have seen the harsh reality of life but may i remind you that even mothers that are not on drugs have sick babies. IT IS LIFE. Abortion cannot be justified FULL STOP!!

PS. I live in london and right now they are showing american idol. One of the singers was a drug baby and she looks pretty good to me with a beautiful voice. Its called HOPE my dear, with hope anybody can get through anything. Abortion is murder, an easy way out!

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After reading all the reply's i want to put my comment.I work with drug-addict's so i know what am talking about am for abortion cause it's a private decision u can't tell a woman what to do with her body.

Why i'm bringing drug-addicts into this topic is because i see that even if they're pregnant they still use drugs.Has any one of u taken care of a drug baby before, well let me tell u it's a horrible work those children will suffer for life so if one of my clients is pregnant i wont force her but i will give her that option cause that child didn't ask to come to this world to suffer.

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yes it's murder,to me

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after that i went to get my son and i'm breasfeeding him and looking into his eyes,thankful to God for helping me make the best decision ever!I love him even more(didnt know that was possible).Please Dont have an Abortion, EVER!you will surely regret it

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I consider abortion a serious sin.Think about it,in this day and age if Mary(mother of Jesus)said she concieved immaculately, they would say she is lying and probably make her get an abortion.It is not for us to determine which child lives or dies.It is murder no matter how we try to sugar coat it,it is the prevention of a beings continuity and coming into the world.If you were silly enough to get preggers(not in the case of molest though),them you have to face the consequences, I did!!!.I got unexpectedly pregnant last year(my final year in Uni and had the choice of an abortion but it was never an option.All the people that looked down on me then love my child to bits.If he(my son)is a mistake,he is the best and most fabulous mistake i've ever made.The father at the time was very upset and tried to push me to abort but now he loves our son to bits and says he cant imagine life without him.When i look into his eyes i just think of what i would be missing if i had aborted him now that i know him.

My friend got pregers with twins not long after i had my babay and she had an aborttion despite my pleas.These children didnt ask us to have sex without protection so whatever happens is our problem and fault not theirs.In the case of molest,what i think is that you can get the best out of the worst,come out and say although i've been through this horrible experience at least i came out with a wonderful gift.I think i'll love the child more if anything(i guess i cant really say cause it has not and will not happen to me in Jesus name,Amen).I want to even start a delegation/campaign against abortions,it is MURDER!

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@Grizzly, *snuggles in for a big squeeze*

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@ Softee, i couldnt believe she could write a thing like that, but its ok, ,@ 2cantango, u got it (Gives her a bear hug)

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Grizzly,

No, No, please do not stoop to her level. It is not worth it. Now you yourself are getting angry. Quite frankly this girl has no respect for others so let her keep on cussing people out that don't share her opinion. God will deal with her.

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Softee,

Yeah thanks so much Softee, one thing Gotutripin dont understand is that is true that God forgives but HE dont forgive an intentionally commited sin. Let her say whatever she likes, I will still stand on my point that "aborting is a sin and whoever aborts is a murderer"

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Gotutripin,

Why are you starting trouble with innocent people that think abortion is murder? May i remind you that this forum was not made for you but for opinions on abortion and if thats lateefah's opinion, whats that got to do with you? Your acting like a 10 year old now. Yes God forgives but that language is not nice

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yoo biatchh kiss my Bottom, god forgives people for mistakes that are made, and im not a murderer ur a d u m b kunt!! =)

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According to the holy books (Quran & Bible), it is a great sin to abort. And for me i dont think there's anything like unwanted pregnancy. Finally, anyone who abort is a murderer except for special cases.[size=8pt][/size]

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well lets put it this way, if i have this baby i hafta move out of my house, which i dont have money to do that or a place to move to, it jus wouldnt work out, i also have different opinions about the pill, also at this moment i havnt taken the pills yet and am not schedueled to be taking them till saturday but i think right now i am going through a miscarriage which is scaring me cause im having heavy blood come out of me, this is too much stress, i will never put myself in this situation ever again

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Gotutripin,

I'm sorry if you think that all comments here are directed at you, this thread is about abortion, it's not about you personally. I'm also sorry that if you think I'm being condesending in any way, I just don't understand why parents or family would support their daughter/relative taking RU 486 when it is known to be a dangerous drug. Women have died from taking RU 486, then there are others who have had major health problems later in life, and some who can't ever get pregnant again, just from taking this drug. I know you must feel like there is no one here who understands you or the situation you are in, and maybe that's because we don't know all the facts. I don't 'personally' see that your age should be a factor in your decision. That is just my opinion. Just like Softee, I'm not against women who have abortions, nor do I hate anyone. I'm just doing my part to speak out against what happens to those without a voice. It is my 'opinion' that from the moment of conception, the fetus is human. It will become human, not anything else, if left alone. A potential human has as much right to life as every human walking on this earth. Once again, just my opinion.

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Gotutripin,

I understand you but you have got to understand that the pictures was not directed at you. I just put them there for people to see the cruelness of abortion. My friend recently had an abortion. I would never put her down or any one in the same situation because i love her and care for her. But the fact of the matter is im not against the people who have abortions, infact im not against anyone, i just feel sorry for the lives that are gone.

I wish you all the best in future and remember that God luvz u!

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Nah dont get it wrong people, i do have support around me, my parents are there for me 100% and so are all my friends, i have everybody important their for me helpin me with what to do, im from New York im NOT from the south, i know probally half of you are from the south, am i right? your the ones who have alot to say about this, sorry im not going through 9 months of pregnancy with a guy who doesnt even want the baby, im only a week pregnant, its not even a baby yet, thats why im doing this early, 2 months pregnant and yeah then i completely agree with you, but when its 4 balls of cells its not similiar AT ALL to the pictures your showing me, you wanna go talk to a girl 2 or 3 months pregnant when the baby is actually a baby, then go ahead do ya thing i completely support you on that, but when i went to get the ultrasound and they couldnt even see anything yet, thats how early it is, i dont think im a murderer, my family is with me 100% on this and that doesnt make them bad, that makes them supportive and good people in my favor, i appreciate your condesending and ignorant comments people, but im NOT a bad person and you need to realize how far along i am in this pregnancy before you make your comments, i will never put myself in this situation EVER again, unless im married, and i learned from it big time, and im going to be scarred from it, so thanks for being understanding to the people who are being understanding but for the people who are tryin to be smart about something they dont even know what the hell their fukin talking bout, thanks to you too

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I was too scared to watch the video clip 2cantango. I get really emotinal sometimes and I know watching might make me unable to sleep for sometime.

Hello Gotutripin, I dont think it was softees intention to make you feel bad. I think he did well sharing the info and pics with us all. I now have an entirely different view about all this. If you read my earlier posts, you'll see that I have even gone with a friend when she went to get an abortion, though I wouldnt do it, I wasnt entirely agaisnt it. I never knew it was so gory. Since youve made your decision to go ahead with it, may God see you through and I hope you come out of this unharmed.

Anyway, now youve learnt alot from this experience and I know you'll make better choices next time. Do take care of yourself and God bless.

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*Sniffs and dabs at teary eyes*.,.,that was touching

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My intention was not to make you feel bad or put you down. My intension was to prevent another life being taken away. I'm warning others who think abortion is right. Im sorry if i upset you. But i think that the truth about abortion needs to come out. If nobody saw these pictures people will not know the horrific truth about abortion. The truth of the matter is, it can save a life, wouldn't that be better?

I am also a born-again christian and putting you down will be the last thing i will want to do. I can understand why you called me a mean person because that is what it seems like to you but you have totally got it wrong. If a mother that is going to abort sees these pictures and decides she is not going to abort and shows all her friends and they share similar opinions and so on, this can save MANY MANY lives.

Once again my full appologies for making you feel bad. Only God understands what you are going through and he will surely bless you after the darkness.

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Listen i dont know you and honestly i wouldnt ever wanna, your a horrible person, you really are, i went to the clinic to go sign papers and their were people like you outside, they didnt know my situation and they didnt know me how many days old i was pregnant, and you know what i did to them i went back at them and gave them my opinion on how i felt, because do they have nothin better to do then make other people feel like poo, like seriously your a horribly mean person inside, if i was 3 months pregnant i would completely agree with you head on, im against surgical abortion to a certain extent of the month a girl is in in her pregnancy, im literally a couple of days pregnant, and i have gone over it with my mom, and even my mom said im making the right decision because of the stage im in in the pregnancy, im catholic and i know God will forgive me and if you seriously live your life trying to put down people and searching on the internet for pictures to make people feel horrible about themselves, then you need serious therapy because you have issues, i know im not a bad person and your not goona make me or anyone in my situation feel like a bad person, you dont know what its like that im going through right now, emotional and mental poo, i dont fuckin need you tryin to make me feel even more worse about this, i made a mistake, and i am making up for it every morning i wake up, you have every right to your opinion but dont push pictures like that in peoples faces, thats something YOU shouldnt be forgiven for

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Wether these pictures are real or not (which they are). That is what abortion looks like. You also seem to be missing my point here. Even if a feotus is only developed into 4 bunched up cells, aborting it you are still killing something that could have been a bouncy baby. My argument is that if you don't know what life is, who are you to make the choice wether a life lives or dies.

And you cannot tell me THESE pictures are not real! (I'm sorry everyone for the unpleasant pictures but this is real life)

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It's not because those fetuses look like children (and mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if they were faked: a 10 week old fetus hand doesn't look like that) that they are children. they are neurologically less developed than a chicken, but of course appeals to emotion are always striking a chord.

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wow softee, after seeing those pics I take back everything I said. Abortion is Murder!

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As for the first example, the woman should keep the child and give it up for adoption to a childless couple. As for the second example, the woman did not just fall pregnant, she had sex to fall pregnant! and she should have thought about her cirmcumstances when she was having sex, same as the retarted woman. The single woman should go to the job center! and claim benefits for her child and the slow woman should either get help for her and her child or give it up for adoption. These examples are not excuse for abortion.

How can you say that before 23 weeks a fetoes is not a life. Do you know what life is? Do scientists know what life is? My best friend was born just after 23 weeks and it sickens me that she could have been aborted. These 46 million babies that are aborted each year could have been people, so what if they couldn't survive outside the womb if they were born, the fact is that they were doing quite well in the womb when the doctors interfered and sucked them out of their mother!

Are these not lives?

Shouldn't every growing fetoes have the chance of life like this cute baby?

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For an insightful debate on the topic where the two opposing positions are very eloquently explained:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=88699

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Nferyn, if you had power to either let something insignificant grow to become siginificant OR let it fizzle out. Which would you rather do?

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I give up men, but just dont go about preaching that, ok?

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Before 23 weeks a fetus doesn't even have the neural capacity to carry stimuli within the body. What separates us humans from the other animals is our big and powerful brain. If you take neural develoment as a criterium, a lizzard is much closer to a human than a 23 week old fetus. The fetus has the potential to become human, but it is not human yet. All the sperm that men carry in their body also has the potential to become human. Do you cry wolf every time your Fluid does not fertilise your wife or girlfriend? And what about those thousands of sperm cells that don't fertilise an egg?

Use your rational thought instead of making these misplaced emotional appeals. Or why don't you go to the other abortion thread (http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-2149.0.html). Everything has already been said there.

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@ nferyn, oh yeah, maybe if u was aborted urself u wont be up here talking all that crap, dont let the Aborted Babies Council over the other side hear u oh?

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Some people here seem to be all convinced that abortion is killing no matter what the stage the pregnancy is in. What are your grounds for making such statements? A fertislised egg is not a person.

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Its very simple: if a girl commits an abortion, she has killed, and she 'MUST' pay for it during the course of her lifetime, even if she repents, trust me on that one

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Abortion is wrong!

I mean, who are we (as women) to decide wether a individual lives or dies?

Do we as human even know wat LIFE is? Can a scientist answer that? NO

So when we go around aborting innocent babies that didn't ASK to be created, do we know what we are getting ourselves into?

You say a feotus is a bunch of cells? But isn't it going to develop into something? a life?

I have never had an abortion and never will because i have strong views about it. If a woman gets Molested, the woman should give her baby up to a person/couple who can't have children. and if she cannot handle going through her pregnancy, can't she not take the morning after pill? (even though i don't agree with it its better than waiting till the baby is more developed).

The abortion limit in london is 24 weeks, my best friend was born at 24 weeks, shes a perfectly normal, cocky young girl but it disturbs me that she could have been aborted!

Abortion is also cruel in the way in which they do it

1) They can give you a pill which blocks nutrients going through your babies cord so it will be starved of oxygen and food and will die

Now pleasseee tell me that isn't creul? That is heartless

2.) They can give you some medicine that burns the baby and turns it a black colour

3.) They can take the baby out using foreceps which often causes the baby to come out in bits (head, arms, legs, )

4.) Lastly they can give you a pill that will make you contract early and give birth to the baby, then they dispose of it.

This is sickening and cruel, in other countries the abortion limit is higher than 24 weeks and abortions get carried out more horribly, we as a society have got to stop this, it is wrong and evil.

God bless you all that read this,

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Abortion is wrong, no matter what. Though it's the killing of a small foetus but killing is killing.

I know someone that had an abortion. I got to know of it after she did it. She came to wake me up in the middle of the night to tell me she had an abortion the previous day and she was now scared that she's going to die. She said she couldn't sleep and was feeling something in her tummy. I couldn't understand how she was feeling so I took the position of prayer warrior and asked her to let us pray together. We sha prayed for forgiveness and asked God to save her so that she won't die.

She was not Molested though, the pregnancy was for her boyfriend.

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Yes it was and believe me I don't want to read it again. Oh now I see your modification. Well, youre initial comment which I reacted to is still quoted in my own post.

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It wasn't. Read it again. I only added the word "some" which should have been obvious to you. Nobody honestly believes that all Christians are the same. When I say "Christians" I only mean "many" or "most".

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Sorry about that and believe me its no sport. Just had to have my say cause your comment was a little too extreme.

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You have taken the sport of Seun-bashing to a new level.

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Oh no nferyn, I quite understand where youre coming from. Though I am a christian,and I wouldnt have an abortion and would also not advise a friend to have one, I don't consider abortion as murder. As per the unborn innocent child part, lets not really dwell on that, I didnt mean it in that way. Just used it to support my argument on the deathrow issue.

Though my religion does not support it, I think abortion is a personal issue. I wouldnt advise a friend to have an abortion but I definately wont judge her for it. I have actually gone with a friend for her to go get an abortion. I stayed with her through it all till she recovered, I saw what she went through and I always wander if it was worth it. She had her reasons, which were good enough for her and though I didnt share her view, I understood her predicament. To me abortion is wrong, but lets try and listen to the reasons why people have abortions.

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seun that was a very lame comment. What do you mean christians authorised their president to bombs arabs? Sometimes you sound so silly I really wander about you.In what way do you mean? Personally, I don't consider abortion murder and all that , I beleive its the woman's business and she should deal with the consequences but how can you compare an unborn innocent child to someone on deathrow and then bring christianity in it? Youre really something else, you feel you can go all over the forum making snid remarks cause its your forum, well you definately reap what you sow.

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