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The Issue Of Female Circumcision: Your Opinion?

The Issue Of Female Circumcision. What Do You Think About It?

Recently,I listened to a radio discussion on female circumcision or "Genital mutilation" as the moderator frequently called it.I was thoroughly amused because,whereas d discussants found it convenient to label female circumcision as GENITAL MUTILATION(of course in a bid to kill it) they simply called the male version "circumcision"and claimed it was for "health reasons".

My position is that there is no such thing as "changing culture",suggesting that we drop certain aspects of our culture in a bid to move with the times.I believe the ancestors in every community have reasons for their cultural practices.If one finds them detestable, I believe the right thing is to abstain.Afterall,it is not compulsory to join any cultural practice.But for those who believe in it,they should be allowed to be!! Rather than people campaigning to abolish such practices.I believe every cultural practice should be allowed to die a natural,rather than a forced death,if indeed it has become increasingly unpopular.

The issue of "mutilation" has to do with quackery.Of course if the wrong people carry out female circumcision,there are bound to be complications,just as would also happen in every other surgical procedure.I have seen male external Instruments badly mutilated in the name of circumcision. Futhermore, there are many women today who had complication free circumcision and they are going about their lives and living them to the fullest.(By the way,I have also seen circumcised females who are nymphomaniacs and on the other hand,uncircumcized females who hate sex).So really,a woman's sexual response is as a result of interplay of many factors,of which circumcision or no circumcision is just one!

I am not an advocate of female circumcision but I think the noise being made against it from some quarters is not only uncalled for but also unfair and an infringement on the fundamental human rights of the practitioners of female circumcision.As I said before,all cultural practices are optional.

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we must move on with the times. the world outside is moving fast. we must move with it. this is our chance. whoever ratifies female circumcision is a callous cannibal. human beings should not be near him. he can eat them. what is wrong if a woman enjoys sexual pleasure? don't men enjoy it? enough of this holier than thou attitude. i enjoy sexual pleasure! i make bold to say it. i can even hazard a guess that the author enjoys it too.

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Just stumbled again into this thread out of curiosity and I see there is still a lot of foolery going on with "distinguished" ladies and gentlemen,carefully and conveniently avoiding to address the real issues as depicted clearly by Fufuking's intelligent input viz:

"Excuse me osisi?

I do not advocate for female circumcision. Rather I advocate that all children, both male and female, should be left whole.

But I also argue that if male circumcision can be considered okay, then it is not much of a stretch to find female circumcision okay as well.

I personally don't like circumcising anybody. It's wrong."

His argument is of course logical and intelligent.Rather than people responding to it,they continue to fool themselves by calling people names.Carry on,if you so desire,but I think people should find better things to do with their time than to fool around at Nairaland.

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If only babies can talk I am pretty sure they will make

their choices clear.[/color][color=#990000][color=#990000][/color]

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People, FGM is hurting.

Women are fearfully and wonderfully made by God and this should be duely respected. Whether she is only a baby or grown up she should be appreciated and not mutilated.

Infact those who practise this THING should ask this big question: why did GOD put it there in the first place? God made Adam fall into DEEP sleep to create Eve because he 'ARARRANGED' her carefully.

Its only IGNORANCE, COMPLEX and WICKEDNESS(of the highest order) that would make anyone mutilate a WOMAN.

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Like I said osisi, Nl is scaring me nowadays

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@ TOH,I went back and read it.

justgood is juststupid

How on earth can he advocate FGM?

saying that no consent is needed to mutilate  girls  because no consent is needed also to wake them up and send them to school.

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I reject daughters in his household.

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My apologies fufuking.

justgood is the on this thread.

I hope he gets a wife that'll amputate his blokoss before he tries to mutilate those precious daughters God may give him.

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Excuse me osisi?

I do not advocate for female circumcision. Rather I advocate that all children, both male and female, should be left whole.

But I also argue that if male circumcision can be considered okay, then it is not much of a stretch to find female circumcision okay as well.

I personally don't like circumcising anybody. It's wrong.

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How did you guys miss that? go to the previous page.

I swear too many lunatics on NairaLand. Im actually becoming very afraid

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the hell is oblokuss?

FuFuKing is just mad about male circumsion

JustGood is actually slow enough to compare female circumsion as being important as going to school.

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what were you doing ,talking about oblokoss in 4th grade.

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wasn't he the one who earlier on told us the advantages of fgm?

you diagnosed him as having an extra skin,he should cut that off with the head of his oblokoss.

nonsense

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FuFuKing or you mean JustGood?

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as usual it's a man like that character fufuking that must prove how good female genital mutilation is.

A man who has no female parts.

let him go chop off the crown of his "abunna".

he must be sprinkling something on his fufu

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THIS IS A VERY silly POST!! THAT ANYONE WOULD HINT THAT FEMALE CIRCUMCISION IS IN ANY TINY silly WAY ANYTHING AKIN TO 'GOOD' IS ARRANT MADNESS!!!!

I WILL NOT EVEN BOTHER TO READ THESE CRAP!! FOR THOSE SPEAKING AGAINST IT, THANK YOU, AND FOR THOSE VOMITING OUT THAT IT IS A GOOD THING! I WILL JUST TAKE MYSELF OUT OF THIS THREAD BEFORE I SAY SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN MY CHARACTER!!!!!!!!!

NONSENSE!!!

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In addition to my previous comments, i have stated the risks invoved in this cruel act of circumcision and my personal opinion. However 1 want 2 point some fins out.

(1)This medium MUST not be abused! The act of verbally assulting members HAS TO STOP.

(2) let contributions reflect intelligence,

(3) Internationally, female genital mutillation is unacceptable, its an act of cruelty, and whoever is advocating it MUST be severlly punished according to law.

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JustGood, I think your brain is underneath your shoe. What kind of idiotic comparision is that?

uyai, Thank you, jare.

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@ Poster

It is really sad to see a woman defend one of the greatest sin against women. Women! we are our own worst enemy.

You said it checks infidelity. Now what do you do to check a man's infidelity? You are a brainwashed woman, i hope you don't transmit that virus to the women and girls around you.

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@Justgood: Going to school does not harm a child, does it? And in fact it's compulsory - by law. Female genital mutilation - like facial scarification, and alcoholism - is harmful to children. They should be protected from it.

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I think we should stop compelling children to go to school until they are old enough to decide whether they want to go to school or not.

who feel like it should be allowed to get tortured by forcefully being woken up daily to attend school and being denied the right to play from morning till night.

No child should have to endure such torment as to have to wake up early every weekday to go to school.

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This is a very good topic. I am a circumcised male, even though it was done at infant, i am happy with the fact that i am.

However if i were a female[b] i would probably be raining curses on those who took part in the act till i die[/b].

(1) For a female, the health risks outweighs its cultural merit. apart from the risks of infections, there are greater treats to the female when she begins to have babies.

(2)There is no scientific evidence (as far as i know) to proof that female circumcision increases life span or improves the health of the (victim). I used the word victim because it is such a cruel act done to underage girls without their consent, medical implications put into consideration, as well as the psychological trauma (for those who are already grown and forced).

For a male, PERSONALLY, i would do it for my male child (only at infant) 'for reasons of pain. And this is only because of hygiene reasons, even though there are speculations that circumcised males are at lesser risk of STDs compared to those that are not. However i feel female circumcision can not be justified, and it must stop.

Only grown ups who feel like having it done should be allowed, to[b] spread their female Instruments on a chopping table[/b], awaiting to be sliced. thanks

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Fufu King,

Thanks for teaching me how to cut and paste other people's contributions,although I am yet to get it right but I will try again when I have time to study it well.

Thiefofhearts,

Just take another look at ur contribution quoted below.

"No one cares, Octopus, many other people who have replied to your posts. Forgive me for having a problem with you asking a poster to post each picture and "explain what is wrong with it". You;re a sick person.

anyway ciao!

and please don't have any daughters. Thanks."

I believe one of the ground rules in Nairaland is to discuss issues and not to insult people.Please call urself to order.

Thanks.

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But dr chic, did you not see the study I posted that said that circumcised women are less likely than uncircumcised women to get HIV? Isn't that a "benefit"?

Also, to be fair, female circumcision has not been investigated and studied all that much to determine any advantages. And we also need to remember there are several different types of female circumcision. I don't think anyone can argue that infibulation has any advantages, but removal of the female prepuce and labia could.

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Dear Octopus,

Kindly forgive us for being so emotional,illogical and unintelligent in our argument.

You see, for some of us yours truly in particular, it is difficult to separate these issues. If

we cannot be as objective as you are because for we had a very close friend and roommate who cried daily because it was impossible for her to find sexual fulfillment with her husband to be and she worried about what the relationship would be like someday. TOO personal for you? Ok, what about as a young medical student, seeing her first circumcised perineum and wondering,what is wrong with this woman?

Is it not enough of an argument when it is said that there are NO advantages to FGM, meanwhile there even MIGHT be some advantage to male? Any argument contrary to yours is viewed as double standard or emotional or illogical even unintelligent.

Abeg eh, forgive us. You started this thread so please feel free to end it. We are sorry for our stupidity.

Goodbye and stay happy and logical.

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No problem.

When you hit reply, scroll down and look at the topic summary. Look at the message you want to quote, and then look to the right and click on the "Insert Quote" link.

Then it will insert the quote for you.

Or, if you want to do it manually, just use the code [QU*OTE] [/QU*OTE] (Without the asteriks)

You put the original posters message in between the two codes like this

[QU*OTE] Your mother sells coconuts on the street [/QU*OTE]

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Fufu King,

Please b4 I sign out,could u teach me step by step,how to cut portions of other people's contribution and paste them in a boxed form in your own discussion.Like u did for ThiefOf Hearts.

I will surely appreciate this favour.

Many thanks

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Fufu King,

I think you may wish to continue this discussion on this thread.As for me I am outa here!! When I introduced this thread,I was honestly expecting to get some intelligent argument against female circumcision,but I am afraid I have been disappointed.Until I see somebody contribute something really logical and intelligent against female circumcision I am not likely to join in again.

As for Seun.In insulting me he has shown how pathetic he is.His emotional outburst(same also as Thiefofhearts)has shown his level of immaturity.

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Well, you're acting as if you don't know.

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No, Im not.

teach me sah.

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Are you unfamiliar with comparison as a technique of argument and persuasion?

Because that is why male circumcision is being brought up.

We are saying if it is okay to cut males, why is it not okay to cut females? That is a valid technique of making an argument.

Are you unfamiliar with comparision?

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still talking about males in a thread about femle circumcision.

If you boys have/had a problem with yours, why dont you start a crusade or help line like the others?

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This is false.

Circumcisions done at any age are risky.

In a hospital setting, I'd argue that they're safer when the boy is older. An older boy will get anesthesia and pain medicine. Many infants get nothing more than a rag soaked in a sugar solution. Also, as an infant, the baby is in a diaper and he urinates and defecates on an OPEN WOUND, which often leads to meatal stenosis, because the foreskin isn't there to protect the glans.

Also read the links I posted, most of the boys who died were babies and the boy who had the head of his joystick chopped off was a baby.

And even when done by medical practicioners, things go wrong and complications occur! All of the stories I posted, except the South African one, were circumcisions done by experienced doctors.

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As for never hearing of circumcisions gone bad, allow me to expand your horizons:

-Glans of baby boy's joystick amputated

http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/695147.php?contentType=4&contentId=700283

-Canadian baby dies after complications from circumcision

http://www.canada.com/cityguides/ottawa/story.html?id=cb3b8281-4134-46ba-85d3-b076072bda75&k=25810

-Pakistani baby dies during circumcision

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C07%5C02%5Cstory_2-7-2007_pg11_7

-South African boy found dead after botched circumcision

http://www.sabcnews.com/south_africa/crime1justice/0,2172,151431,00.html

And I'd like to point out, that much like female circumcision, many cases of injury and death related to circumcision go unreported.

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Personally, I think men should be allowed to make the decision to be circumcised or not.

But it's hard to convince parents not to do it because the bible makes it seem compulsory.

So it's a battle I'd rather not fight since I'm yet to hear of one case that ended badly.

The best way to settle this issue is to ask a qualified medical doctor to circumcise your baby.

If it's a boy, he will do it. If it's a girl, he will definitely not do it because he knows it's wrong.

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So am I to presume that you are against circumcising infant baby boys?

That's the double-standard that Octopus and I are talking about. To denounce the practice of female circumcision and its harmful effects and the lack of consent of the girl, only to turn around and circumcise your 7-day-old son is hypocritical. If you are anti-female circumcision because it can result in disfiguration and is done without the child's permission, that same protection should be afforded to little boys.

Let men and women both decide when they are older if they want to be circumcised.

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Some things (like murder, pedophilia, and genital mutilation) cannot be discussed 'rationally'.

If someone is pointing a gun at your baby, how do you discuss it 'rationally'?

Just because your privates have been destroyed, you want to share the pain with others.

Bring your womanliness and let me cut it for you. Nonsense. Let me mutilate you 'rationally'.

On a more rational note: when the girls grow up, let them decide on whether they want it.

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Octupus,

They don't want to go down this argument because they know that the evidence is not in their favor.

They also want to ignore the fact that there are many circumcised women who LIKE being circumcised and are happy to have been. Much like many circumcised men say the same thing. But they are only interested in launching personal insults against you, rather than intellectually and truly debating the topic.

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ojoboyo. please ignore Octopus.

Dont even think of posting those pics. Disgusting.

and why are you bringing up male circusmision in the first place, isnt this thread about female's?

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Why must circumcision be done?Is there any known medical benefit attached to it?if not,what is the point.Oh,evolution,yet to catch up.Putting children in unnecessary agony.

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Ojobayo,

I have seen the pictures.

Can you tell me what is making you cry about those genitals? Kindly explain to us in this forum,what has been done to those females.If possible,picture by picture.I want to be sure that you know what you are talking about.I want to be sure that you are not one of those "sensationalists" who have joined the band wagon without having a clue about what it is all about.That you are not one of those who readily site female circumcision as another atrocity and act of oppression by the male gender against the female gender.Please do it clearly and precisely.Many thanks in anticipation.

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dr chic,

What about the facts pointing out the MALE genital cutting as harmful? Are they not clear enough for you to advocate its ban? Logic demands that since both practices can be harmful,the campaign should be all encompassing and not preferential.That's the point,my dear.Its shear hypocrisy to campaign against one and leave the other.

Secondly,what do you think is the incidence of complications in FGC in Nigeria? I tell you it is less than one in a hundred.That is,for every complicated case,there would have been 99 others done complication free.

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Whoa, don't know the impact of this practice, OMG,

http://www.geocities.com/restoremaine/pics/fgm/fgm_pics.htm

Here are pics. If it does not make u cry, u are not human. Anyone that does this should be jailed.

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Someone needs to apply a razor-blade to her private area, otherwise she won't understand anything.

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obviously not.

perhaps you should break it down even more for her. Some people are just "special"

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But the truth is that no campaign on any issue will ever get the legislative nod except it is based on "clear,precise and logical reasons"

And the FACTS that point out Female Genital Cutting as a HARMFUL cultural practice are not clear, precise and logical

enough for you?

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dr chic,

I am glad u have finally admitted the inevitable-that all campaigns against female circumcision are based on emotions,sentiments and sensation.That's ok and that's the female thing.Everybody knows that women,except with a few exceptions,HONESTLY base their arguments on sentiments.That's the way God created them and all men have to accept that.

No need getting personal.I mean talking about my family.I already have one but I am not going to comment on our private matters.But the truth is that no campaign on any issue will ever get the legislative nod except it is based on "clear,precise and logical reasons" I am sorry,that's the way it goes(The law is never based on sentiments).Until that happens I am afraid we just have to stick to the status quo.

And please dont argue any further if you dont have a any other choice but to get "insultive".It is not a war.We are just discussing issues to the best of our abilities and knowledge.

Nice chatting with u and do have a nice day.

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Tradition is dynamic,we got to refine and create traditions that suits our everyday life in the 21st century.Some times i wonder why african girls are not easily sexually excited?They just see sex as one big deal,meanwhile it is just like eating food.

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Macutie, are you drunk?

I suggest you put the crackpipe down.

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