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Should Gay Marriages Be Allowed In Africa?

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http://www.africahangout.com/should-gay-marriages-be-allowed-in-africa-t14.html

I am not sure if i like them either! gay people should not even be allowed to adopt hey!

I would not like my child to be raised by parents of the same sex!

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Just good, hahaha u have so many issues lol!!!

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You are right!

the world should change for the sake of change.

Suggested changes:

*Men/women should start marrying goats

*Kids should have the right to take hard drugs

*Everyone should have the right to steal other people's property

*Men/women should be allowed to beat up one another whenever there are disputes

More changes will follow. . .

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The case of a teenage son is a fairer scenario, in that the primary risk would be either party (gay guy or heterosexual craddle-robber) influencing the sexual orientation of the kid.

A side note is that pedophilia is considered a crime, and thus the society has a formal instrument that is supposed to dissuade people of such orientation, but both orientations suffer from societal rejection.

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wow!!! way to drive it homw gabrywyl!!!! This is the best posting I've seen here tus far. (Not to say there havent been other very good ones!!!) Wow that should say enough!!! Of course I'd leave my child with the gay guy who would love them and give them the same love I would show them!!!! I really think this is the best example thus far! As most people compare the "gays" they speak of as horrible, The ones I know would NEVER hurt ANYONE!! In fact I am more comfortable around them than most people! Perhaps its bc they are sure of themselves and know the good person that they truly are!!!!!!

Thanks again gabrywyl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have not seen a better example on here than the one you have given!!! (for the record I am not gay. I am engaged to the most wonderful man on earth!!!!! However, I have many friends who are, and it hurts me to see people discriminate against them bc of their choice!!!!

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Im not really in favour of all this gay and lesbian thing but however, Im not against it as well. To me, God created Adam and Eve and not Adam and Azo but at the same time God created humans with two legs and two hands to begin with yet you see today some people are born with 3 hands and 3 legs. . .

One of my Naija brotha's told me that thou shall not judge God's servants. . . He said it was stated in the bible.

So you guys shouldnt judge gay and lesbian. God created humans and every single human belongs to God, . . So every single human is free to worship God at anytime and anyday despite of the sins which they have done so please just leave the church for them. . Its their life and if you dont like it, just stick to your church and dont mind about other people and dont judge.

God is great and God has a reason for every single thing on earth so I suggest you guys just let it be. Ok?

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Case scenario

I go to church one day on a Sunday morning. As I entered the church almost all the seats have been taken because I went there a little late. However, there is left with one seat at the back of the church.

I took that seat. I was sitting somewhere in between two people. My left side is a gay guy (everyone knows that he is gay because he is not shamed to admit it) whom happened to have a 3 year relationship with another guy (they both will be heading to Las Vegas the following month to get married and start a new family) and my right side is a father whom is married to his wife for 15 years but he has a deep dark secret where no one knows about this. His deep dark secret is that he Molests his daughter and niece as his everyday hobby.

Now lets say you have no choice but to put your daughter under child care and your only option is to choose the gay guy or the father and you have no choice. . . Lets say you have to choose one and its a compulsory to choose, who would you pick?

The gay guy OR the father?

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It should not be allowed.

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Like I said earlier, you can be gay for all I care. This is not about sharing your life with whomever you desire. In fact, some religious institutions are willing to solemnize the union.

Rather it is about recognizing gay couples as being legally equivalent to heterosexual couples, hereby, being entitled to same provisions under the laws and statutes. This I disagree with as they differ in certain respects, particularly in the potential to procreate.

If they want legal recognition, let them define a new union for them (which exists in certain societies but the gay community wants more)  and let society accord them the concessions as they see fit, but don't try to get under the existing umbrella of marriage, which from the ruckus, most see as heterosexual in nature (their reasons being irrelevant).

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The reason why you cannot provide evidence of their objection is because there isn’t any. Listen clearly; same sex marriage is between two consenting adults, they are not harming anyone. I really don’t see how you can compare them to the criminal act of paedophiles, necrophilia e.t.c

Well are you 100% sure they weren’t born gay? I for one cannot prove whatsoever what ever how they were born, but since all of them say they were born that way, I agree it is the truth from their own point of view.Just because you don't believe it doesn't necessary mean it is not true.

Following your line of thought, I suppose barren people shouldn’t get the “tax deductions”

By the way what tax deductions are this people “reaping ” off from , isn’t tax deduction based on circumstances and status? So what tax deduction exactly are gay people reaping off?

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A preferential truth. How do you know that people are not gay by choice (the fact that they believe so is insignificant in evaluating its veracity)?, or that people that desire to be married to more than one person do so by choice?. Any body could believe in anything, but that does not make it true.

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What do you think I mean by consent? By consent I meant approval by the two people involved and until animals and dead corpses can talk and give consent your line of argument I insist is very ridiculous.

I am trying to figure out how gay marriage equate to polyandry/polygamy marriages

Putting into consideration that gay people believe they had no choice whatsoever into how they are, they believe they were “born gay” to the personal choices of those that choose to marry more than one spouse

also seen as gay marriage is between two people not three, six , ten e.t.c

I hear this “infringement of right” argument thrown about a lot, please do tell how does a legal marriage approved by the state infringe yours?

In summary, if you don’t believe in gay marriage, don’t practice it but don’t try and deny those that practice it their personal right just because it contradict your own personal morals or religious beliefs.

I don’t see any legal justification for  gay marriage to be prohibited. We all have to deal with our morals our own way

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what a whole load of rubbish!

If we dont want it in Nigeria, take it where it is wanted. Nigerians generally dont want sodomy so why dont you take it to America the home of sodomites?

kini big deal?

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@vanitty

Seems you missed the point.

Who defines an adult, is it not the majority in the society?

Who defines that an animal consents or objects to the act, after all non can communicate to an animal? Same can be said of a corpse.

For your argument of adult consent, maybe we should legally recognize polygamy and polyandry while we are at it?

The society defines what it deems acceptable hence you cannot say it's someone's right or freedom to behave as he deems fit. 'cos when your exercise of your freedom impinges on mine, we will have a problem.

I have no problem with you being gay (and no one should be persecuted for it) , and you can define your union to be whatever you want, but don't tell me that I must accommodate your aberration in my existing definitions, when the majority disapproves.  Accepting gay marriages is a slippery slope, as the aim is beyond just being with a loved one, but rather the legal entitlements that they feel comes with the status. I for one do not want a gay couple adopting kid's.

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firstly, they arent locking tongues

secondly, its his fb profile pic

thirdly, if he knew of all the ignorance being thrown out on here,  he would be all for me standing up for the gay rights, and would have prob told me to send others

thank you

Anyway, since there are so many homophobes on here that are probably about to have a heart attack by looking at it I will remove it, Its a beautiful pic though CTAL!!! YU!!

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@tiffcisco

while i am still totally and utterly against gay marriage,dont you reckon you r invading your friend's privacy by posting an intimate photo of him and his partner locking tongues?

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well I think thats the ONLY way you can determine if its right or wrong!!! Obviously, if you have no morals than its fine. If you are in a religion that prohibits it, it is a sin. My best friend who I've been talking about is agnostic, so obviously he has NO reason to believe being gay is wrong, and I have NO right to tell him otherwise. If he confessed christianity, judaism, islam, or any ohter religion that clearly states it as a sin, then I see no problem with maybe thinking that they should consider their acts wrong. Still, they must decide this on their own, and not made to feel alienated by those who think they have all the answers. I have many friends who are gay, and to my knowledge most are prob agnostic or atheist, so they are not doing ANYTHING wrong withing their religion!!!! And that is the ONLY place that can say they are wrong PERIOD!!! America is considered a christian nation (though we most prob have most every religion present in our country, and I think thats great by the way!) so that is why there is such debate over whether it should be legal or not!!! Also, I see nothing wrong with that picutre!! Its two of the most amazing, established, talented, good hearted people I know who happen to be in love with each other. I was much more offended by the hate comment put up here comparing homosexuals to those who have sex with animals and children, and canibals. That saddend me immensely. However, as I have a protected right to post that picture. These people have a right to say the things they say!!! Its the gift and the curse of living in a land with freedoms. BUT, one I would gladly take ANYDAY over being somewhere where others are made to think for me and then tell me what to believe and how to express it!!!!

Ok I have to and taste this lamb! haha!! Tomorrow is our Pesach Sedar, and the lamb my mother has been cooking all day for it has come out of the oven!!!!!!!!!! yay!!!! This has been a wonderful Passover week and I think its so cool it well on Easter this year!!! (Well rather Easter fell during Passover lol. Pesach is the same week every year, and easter is different, Either way still very cool!!!

So, I shall leave on a good note!! Chag Sameach if you're observing Passover! Happy Easter everyone else!! Hope this pic is better lol!! Its a table set for a Pesach Sedar!!! I cant wait, prob mostly cuz I want a sub and we can only eat matza this week lol!!!

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Vanity I totally agree with you! On the day of judgement, God will judge those who commited sexual sins right up there with those who judge them, because they are technically both sins,

On another note, lol I would like to post this. It was my best friends status on facebook yesterday,

WIlliam,  is so excited that NY Governor David Patterson will be reintroducing legislation to legalize gay marriage in NY State, and this time to a Democrat controlled Senate, what great moments of equality are happening in the USA, my home, cheers to Iowa and Vermont. It will be wonderful to marry my partner in US and not be forced to do so in Europe, though we love Denmark, thank you!

Hmm,  So ya I know they will get married, but he is from new york and would love to do it in his own state!! I believe he has this right!!

Btw I've attached a very cute pic of them,  Well, I think so anyway!!!

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So your argument is comparing consent between two HUMAN adult to animals, dead people and babies, I hope you see the silliness of your argument.

All I am trying to say at the end of the day is i accept them as people.

I do not have to accept their actions just the same way i do not condone stealing.

It is not for me to judge them start comparing their act to bestiality e.t.c.

I leave all the judgement to God  

Is one sin bigger than the other?

Ain't we all born into sins?

God did not permit you to preach hatred against some set of people,

Didn't God teach love of all?

If you think your route to hapiness is by holding hands or doing whatever with a member of the same sex Good luck to you.

I cannot force my christian belief and morals on everyone

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Its not againt the law for gay people to kiss in public, I've taken a pic of my best friend kissing his boyfriend at a bistro one night. The owner and his wife were there and thought it was cute!! Of course we were friends of the owners and they are not homophobic either. Also, we were in China which is an EASTERN country, but the owners were Icelandic. The races of the people there were varied, but I dont think anyone was offended. Im sure there is no law discriminating against gays kissing in public I think its just wherever PDA is not accepted its not accepted gay or straight.

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@vanitty

The flaw in your counter-argument is the circular reasoning. You implicitly state the acceptance of a gay couples (which is the conclusion), putting them on the same platform as straight couples, and then use that to evaluate their action of showing affection in public. Something is termed indecent exposure because enough people in society find it offensive. Remember the yard stick varies from society to society (try dressing provocatively in certain societies in the middle east!). If gay couples were acceptable in the society, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

A lot of people are homophobic because they cannot relate to it, and only hide under religious tenets to justify their position.

Some people pass comments as if homosexual are fully accepted in the US. I beg to differ, as the issue is still being contested on various fronts.

People that are in support of homosexuals, I wonder what your position is on bestiality, necrophiliacs, and craddle-robbers? After all,

they only have uncommon sexual preferences.

It is unfortunate, but all men will never be 'equal'. Society will always discriminate, and give preferential treatment, based on several factor including who we are.

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the point of all my preamble is simply that there are a lot of actions you can take in the privacy of your home which isnt right,and if the law as majority of us agree with is morally,culturally and sociologically against gay marriage then what exactly is the problem here?no one is saying they cant do anything in the privacy of their homes,what we are saying is that our laws and statutes frown upon such and should be respected as such,i can eat rice and stew with my hands in the privacy of my own home,i can eat my waste in the privacy of my own home but not in public,how much more something that is universally frowned upon

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no one is stopping them coming to church after all how many gay people have you heard being lynched in nigeria?

even the ones that came to the national assembly,were they beaten or lynched?

where i personally draw a line is legalising it or legalising same sex marriage,that is not right and shouldnt be allowed,after all why do they need the acceptance of a religious albeit constitutional law if not for some perverse satisfaction or devilish insecurity.

i mentioned the indescent exposure ting to show abnormal acts which while not hurting anyone is deemed immoral by the general public,however if you want another example,is dogging hurting anyone?after all they are doing it in the privacy of some bus or caravan,so why do they get told off or arrested by the police,what is the difference between that and being gay?

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i am disgusted that no one is talking about the cultural aspect of this issue, for God sake its posted in the culture section,i don't have any problem if anyone choose to become gay or lesbian what am more concerned is the effect this will have on the African society.not all cultural values can be practised in London or even in places like America, if its against their cultural value they will never allow it but why must we Africans always fuss things that are not even in our cultural practises cos you all want freedom?the last time i checked the world is not free that is why you have cultural values which you are not meant to go against.

i forsee some pple will come out one day and say they want a right to sleep with animals cos some pple are doing it in Europe and they have the right to do so as well.i am not against your way of life but you have to mind the effect and what its might have on the society you are.pls and pls i am not anti gay but am a supporter of my culture and heritage and i don't know where it is right for a man to sleep with another man or a woman to sleep with a woman.

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@ Biina

Nope you are not following my reasoning at all.

The same law that applies to straight couples should apply to gay couples.

Would it be indecent exposure if a straight couple displays affection in public? If it isn’t then why should it be for a gay couple?

In a case if a straight couple start having sex in public then it is indecent exposure same goes for homosexuals. In everything we do there should be a level of decency and decorum

I do however agree with you though about how society changes. But for a change to happen, people have to take actions. I hope there comes a time when people stop being prejudiced against gay people based on religious beliefs alone.

No i am not gay neither am i a gay supporter; I am much more interested that no one should be discriminated upon just because of who they are

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The truth is that what society finds acceptable is an ever changing repertoire. A few centuries ago slavery was acceptable, but now it is abominable. Similar is the notion of monarchy, democracy and equal rights.

Discussions like this will never make headway as it is never white or black, but more of shades of gray. You can exhibit your freedom by becoming an homosexual, but we will have issues when your freedom starts to impinge on mine.

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I rest my case.

What I have realised is that this homophobic people can’t come up with any reason why they see the act as abnormal.

Comparing a homosexual person to a cannibal! Will a gay person ever skin you alive, salt you and start eating you?!

If you going to be so against a practice so you might as well have good reasons than comparing them to indecent exposure

Indecent exposure does harm people. It causes distress to some, might be frightening to others. What two adults do in the privacy of their own home cannot be of any harm to nobody.

Besides, if you decide to kill your friend and eat him, not only will you be classified as a cannibal but it is actually against the law. Read more about “assisted suicide”.

And who is to know if the mental state of your late friend was very disturbed when he asked you to kill him? You see laws are there for a reason.

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Gosh this gay people keep getting stronger.homosexuality is wrong and God hates you for it.must we bury everything under human right.it's insane

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you are sick if you think indecent exposure in a public environment is similar to a sexual act in privacy.

I wonder if you nuts consider oral and BehindBased sex "abnormal". Missionary style seems to be the only positions you holy rollers approve.

I thought it was Segun and Bola, funny how the first humans have European names. hmm

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if you dont get it by now then google the german couple who agreed that one of them should be killed and eaten,the victim was filmed saying he was in total agreement and of sound mind bla bla bla, the question is that if being gay is perfectly normal because they are not hurting anyone,then it stands to reason that these guys are normal as well,if you dont get it by now,im sorry i cant help you better than this!!!!!!!

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Gay marriages,gay couples,gays,gays,gays.Let's talk about gays

(1)The only reason gay marriages were legitimized in developed countries is because of politics.It's for the same reason why women have the upper hand in America.If you are running for the senate in a country where you have free and fair elections (Nigeria not included) AND on your agenda, you are advocating for gay rights?You will definitely have a lot of gay "supporters" and American being a "free" country where you can do "anything",gays are at least 30% or more of the population (including bisexuals).Now, that's a lot of supporters.You'd definitely get the votes.

(2)"Gay hood" spells a break down of the natural order of things.Personally, i call it cowardice.I definitely don't believe all the crap excuses gays (lesbians included) give about bring born "that way".For a guy, he's either been to scared to bond with a female and the only "candidate" he happened across was gay thus the rebellion against the opposite sex.Let me ask something, why do gays have "males" and "females" amongst them?Why do lesbians have a dominant and subordinate?Why do the dominant lesbians dress like men,act like men and wear dildos for intercourse?Why must a Love Machine be there?I thought they were comfortable with their tongues and fingers?Why do they need something to remind them of a man?Ehhn?Lesbians, i dey ask una.

(3)In the bible (Old testament), the punishment for being gay was death by stoning.It's still being practiced in Israel today AND they are an advanced country.Any gay guy thinking of visiting there should think twice.If you look man yansh too much, na death by firing squad.You can Google for gay executions in Jerusalem.

(4)Gay adoption?That is utterly selfish.Kids follow after their parents at a tender age and if they are brought up in a gay "family",then tend to think that is normal and when start getting to their teens and make advances at the same sex, they are ostracized and they wonder why.Secondly,when the get a lil more older, they start wondering why their family is different from others.FOR GOODNESS SAKE, EVEN INSECTS DON'T DO IT.Years ago, an experiment was carried out with lab rats (Gay issues).They dusted a male rat with female scents and all that and another male rat mated with it.After the act, the over 20 rats in the cage descended on the two "actors" and bit them to pieces.What does that tell you?Even rats know it's forbidden.

Enough said.

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sweetie, murder and canibalism IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!

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the reason why im comparing gays to wankers in public is simply because of the over used excuse you gay supporters use,which is that they are adults and are not hurting anybody,so i was giving you different instances of people going about their business but still hurting ppl,if gay ppl are not breaking any laws then technically speaking if i and my friend decide one of us has to be killed and eaten by the other,and do a video saying we r in mutual agreement,surely going by your premise we are not breaking any laws neither are we doing anything abnormal,right?

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The fact that this discussion is taking place is enough evidence of their abnormality.

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@ lucabrasi

Your reasons are so off the mark

If you go through your post once more you will realise not once did you mention what makes gay people abnormal.

All you did was compare them with wankers in public places, cannibals.

You see those reasons you made are against the law. It is wrong.

Being a gay man/woman is not breking the law in ANY way.

Funny how people condemn it, yet they can't back up their claims apart from referencing the bible

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GOD made Adam for Eve and not for Steve !

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um I guess, but I dont think gays should be compared to lawbreakers and canibals, Thats a bit harsh

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these examples are SICK!! In what country would this be legal??

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gay people are abnormal because they are doing stuffs which isnt normal in every sense of the word,the fact that white people having accepted it as the norm and then using all their resources media power e.t.c to push it down our throats doesnt make it normal neither.

here is a scenario for you as well, i am free to walk Unclad and then stand in front  of everybody both old and young and then proceed to self-service off,why should i be arrested?after all its my body you get it?

i can have sex in a public place,even if a primary school happens to be there or children happen to be looking at us,its got nothing to do with me, and i am free to do what i like after all im an adult right??

if i and my partner,either male or female agree to kill one of us in cold blood and fry the meat and one of us consumes it,surely by your reasoning and assertion that is totally legal and the living one eating the dead partner's meat is within his/her right??

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Lol keep avoiding the question

Must be really tough for you when you can't think for yourself.

Can you think of any reason why a gay person is abnormal?

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ohhhh typical name that is called everyone who disagrees with sodomy. . . homophobic

They are sodomites!

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typical reply . . . didn't expect anything better

I asked you to back up your claims that gay people are abnormal, you said "sodomites"

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Just tell me how a sodomite is normal and I'll let you see that those in Aro will also be normal by your standards.

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@ Justgood

How are gay people abnormal?

Mad people are sent to yaba because they are dangerous

How are gay people a menace to the society?

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I'm yet to see anyone claim that its alright to fornicate here.

There is no problem with what anybody practices. . . why does anyone have to try and force people to accept abnormal people as normal people?

Why do we send mad people to Yaba left?

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THANK YOU!!!!! Selah!!!!

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There is nothing such as grave sin as it is we humans that classify sin, God doesn't. Sin is sin.

Most if not all the people shouting no and judging and condeming left, right and centre are having sex before marraige, extra-marital affairs and would gladly rob a bank if they knew they could get away with it so please,

Lets be very careful as God says we should not judge. End of, and its the same mouth we use to condemn others we shall be judged. How can you say they should be killed and stoned to death, does the bible you read promote violence and hatred? Only God knows and he is completely fair, that's all I can say.

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Why shouldn't they be allowed to marry each other. It is a free world. If you don't like it you can jump off the bridge

The same people shouting abominaton, it is a sin! are the ones fornicating, committing adultery e.t.c

Read your bible very well, no sin pass another

Bloody hypocrites.

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we are yet unable to deal with the effects of the excesses brought from the west. excessive rights, excessive immorality, excessive body exposure, excessive love of everything that is wanton.

We dont have the resources to deal with the fallout of such nonsense

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Oh no sweetie, Im sure he would never move to Nigeria. Hes a New York fashion designer! loL! I just wanted to know how it is VIEWED in Nigeria. My boyfriends family while Christian and doesnt practice this themselves, have had a lot of experience with other countries/cultures and ways of thinking. SO they are are not homophobic, and would never say the horrible things that have been written in here. Though I may never practice this I think its absolutely wrong to write hate mail about a person. This is what bothered me. In my country you could be taken to court for writing such horrible things. While we are all entitled to freedom of speech, if we discriminate against someone its just not taken sitting down. My thing is that I am a christian, and I think we are required to love everyone regardless. This has been an amazing testimony to this guy who has met many "so called" Christians who profess to be followers of Yeshua and act like the devil himself in their speech and the way they deal with those who are in a different place. Thank you!

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@post

A DEAFENING,DEFINITE EARTH SHATTERING,RESOUNDING "NO" DEFINITELY NOT AND HELL TO DA NAW,it is not nigerian neither is it natural and has no place in our culture or society so let the western world keep that part of their sexuality,we r still dealing with the effects of the skimpy outfits,tatoos e.t.c

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@tiffcisco, please dont come to nigeria with sodomites o. And we dont need people like you to come and destroy whatever we have left, if you are coming to try and tell us that it is alright to be a sodomite.

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