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Succubus/incubus: Is It Real?

Hey pips. Listen to this, I was asleep n suddenly this thing ( i dunno what it is) comes n stays on toppa me n it refuses to go. i can't talk, cant call for help and, jeez!!! the experience was horrible. Does any1 has any idea what causes this? How can it be stopped. IDEAS

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The spiritual realm is more real than the physical, there is more to what your eyes can see. I was reading a poster from,Somebody, he was saying that he did not believe metaphysical power can hinder him. The problem with some people is that, they want to proove everything scientifically, before they believe. Too bad, well, you cannot understand everything, too much knowledge lead to the weariness of the soul. If you acquire all knowledge in this world, but you do not have knowledge about spiritual warfare, you do not have knowledge about the spiritual battle of life, (because simply put, life is a battle field ) then you are making yourself a mincemeat for power of darkness. I have exprienced it before, it is not new. The solution is to be under shadow of the almighty God. Then , they will never come near you. Be wise. God bless you.God2man.

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Wonders shall never end.

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@Aladura

That's a typical case of demonic attack.

But were u there to witness?

Thats the same way someone posesed can have a convulsion due to the demonic pressure from within.

But not so for all cases, is it?

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Dearie that was no incubus. That was a classic witch out to take a piece of u. Incubus/succubus are water demons but their attacks are usually sexual in nature. U need to start praying a lot more.

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Wham, at least, lets thank the white man for bringing us Christianity to destroy the traditional bondage that had oppressed us for so many years. Like the killing of twins, which was eradicated by Mary Slessor. Tell me, why would we still fault the white man for bringing in colonialism when we were in perpetual bondage?

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Crystal clear

Thanx a mill

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@nanaboi

If u read my first post u would see that I mentioned the fact that I'm not denying that spiritual influences cannot be involved in some people's sleep paralysis. The term sleep paralysis is not "SCIENTIFIC" in that sense. Its just the term used for that phenonmenon cos u feel paralized while half awake.

Read my first post well to get me right. My problem is that people are too fast to conclude "ITS SPIRITUAL!, ITS SPIRITUAL!!!! " without objectively putting in an effort to try to observe it or find out more

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I never intended 2 dismiss ur "sleep paralysis"

My intention is that u do not dismiss the mystery people associate it with on the basis of "superstition" simply because it does not fit into the confinement of ur "sleep paralysis" completely. Certain things happen that cannot wholly be classified as natural/physical/scientific phenomena

It can be induced

Hypnosis can be induced

But does that rule out the possibility of something mysterious being responsible 4 some cases of hyphonsis?

Unless u're of the opinion that there is no such thing as supernatural then I'll understand you better.

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I've never experienced that thing and i hope i never experience it.

I have dreams, but whether it is bad or good, i've never had to struggle to wake up.

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SLEEP PARALYSIS

Sleep paralysis is a condition characterized by temporary paralysis of the body shortly after waking up (known as hypnopompic paralysis) or, less often, shortly before falling asleep (known as hypnagogic paralysis).[1]

Physiologically, it is closely related to the paralysis that occurs as a natural part of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, which is known as REM atonia. Sleep paralysis occurs when the brain awakes from a REM state, but the bodily paralysis persists. This leaves the person fully aware, but unable to move. In addition, the state may be accompanied by hypnagogic hallucinations.

More often than not, sleep paralysis is believed by the person affected by it to be no more than a dream. This explains many dream recountings which describe the person lying frozen and unable to move. The hallucinatory element to sleep paralysis makes it even more likely that someone will interpret the experience as a dream, since completely fanciful, or dream-like, objects may appear in the room alongside one's normal vision.

Possible causes

Sleep paralysis occurs during REM sleep in order to prevent the body from manifesting movements made in the subject's dreams. Very little is known about the physiology of sleep paralysis. However, some have suggested that it may be linked to post-synaptic inhibition of motor neurons in the pons region of the brain. In particular, low levels of melatonin may stop the depolarization current in the nerves, which prevents the stimulation of the muscles, to prevent the body from enacting the dreamt activity (e.g. preventing a sleeper from flailing his legs when dreaming about running).

Many people who commonly enter sleep paralysis also suffer from narcolepsy. However, various studies suggest that many or most people will experience sleep paralysis at least once or twice in their lives.

Some reports read that various factors increase the likelihood of both paralysis and hallucinations. These include: [4]

Sleeping in a supine position (facing upwards)

Irregular sleeping schedules; naps, sleeping in, sleep deprivation

Increased stress

Sudden environmental/lifestyle changes

A lucid dream that immediately precedes the episode. Also conscious induction of sleep paralysis is a common technique to enter a state of lucid dreams, also known as WILD[1] .

Artificial sleeping aids, ADD medications and/or antihistamines

Recent use of hallucinogenic drugs

Treatment

During paralysis episodes, patients may be advised to try moving the facial muscles and moving eyes from one side to the other. This may hasten the termination of the attack.

Copied from Wikipedia (Article: Sleep Paralysis)

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I used to have those experiences. We Africans like to jump to the conclusion of "It's spiritual" without taking our time to study the phenonmenon.

I have taken a little time to observe mine. I noticed it happened more frequently while I was serving (NYSC) in Kebbi during the Hot season. Kebbi state can be extreamly hot. The sleep paralysis didnt occur through out the Rainy season and Harmattan. But I observed that the very second day when heat began to creep back to Kebbi in february, it happened again.

That was after my P.O.P. I just happened to be chillin around a while. But because of the sleep paralysis reoccurence, I packed all my stuff and left kebbi state two days later because I hate the experince.

Now, since I got back to Abuja, it has never happened to me again. The weather is much different from Kebbi here. Its much cooler.

Now I'm not trying to say, "Hey! Its caused by heat". But  this was my my own experience and observation.  It could be that the heat dehydrated my body  and it had some temporary body motor coordination issues as a result.

I believe you should be able to get more professional explanation or point of view on sleep Paralysis on the net.

At the same time this occurence could be tied to some paranormal activities in some peoples cases. I don't know about yours.

Though, We would naturally enter a state of fear/shock during and after such an experince even if it was merely a natural occurence, Dont just jump to the conclusion of spiritual attack. Try to do some research and also observe yourself. You could even observe other people who have it regularly (find a Guinea pig).

The same way we are jumping at the simplest explanation of "IT IS SPIRITUAL ATTACK", that is how our fore-fathers jumped to the conclusion then that twins were evil. "OF COUSE THEY WERE", they must have said, "HOW CAN TWO BABYS COME OUT OF ON PREGNANCY". The birth of a Superstition (An irrational Belief).

You have a convulsion, they say its spiritual attack.

You have a Migraine, they say its the evil spirits are at work.

You have a cold, they say its spiritual attack.

You sleep for long, they say its spiritual attack.

you go to poo, they say its spiritual attack.

I'm not denying that the devil and his cohorts are not at work causing havok, fear and confussion. They could as well have a hand in almost all mishaps.

But ask yourself, WHY DONT You THINK OF A CONVULSION AS A SPIRITUAL ATTACK? (How can a sain person just start jerking and stiffening and bringing out foam from their mouths with eyes almost poped out)

Cause we are aware of proven medical conditions and hereditary issues that cause it

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yes there exist in the spirit world being that are called principalities ,powers spiritual wickedness in high plces ,demonic spirits this are heirling and messingers to satan itself they seek to kil stealand destroy whatever they are commanded to do by dia master .

do not be decieved they truly exist and have being known to revel in our ignorance that they are not in exixstence

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All these explanation probably wont convince the minds of people set in associating sciences with every spiritual problems encountered by people. Truth is the devil is real, but fortunately, he was Defeated by Jesus Christ on the Cross. Always invoke the Name of Jesus Christ when you are being attacked, and the spirit, no matter how 'powerful' it is, would yield to the Name Above All Names, Jesus Christ.

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Why do people insist on wallowing in superstition? It is a perfectly natural phenomena

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2. There is no solution for this problem (yet) only an explanation

3. He shouldn't be afraid of the experience, it's only a very vivid dream

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As to why it happens, that's an open question that is definitely not going to be answered by postulating supernatural forces that don't have a shred of evidence in their favor.

2. There are no encounters, except in the imagination of the person experiencing it. Those experiences can even be induced through direct neurological stimulation

3. The research is open to falsification, why don't you try to falsify it properly instead of glibly dismissing it out of hand

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Sorry but your "scientific explanation" - according to your previous post especially - only tells us how it 'normally' happens, cites a few examples of those it happened to, advises one to move a finger/the eye or wateva; it fails completely to tell us why it happens - u get my point now?

It also fails to note that people are different and that one person's research could be jibberish as far as a different person's encounter is involved. U got that?

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nferyn

what are u trying to point out? That its normal or it has scientific explanation? For what l know is that something that can hypnotise u and make u feel powerless even with ur eyes open, u cant help urself but to strugle to come to out is something from the supernatural.

freezy is going through something which is not normal and prefer solutions or suggestions as to how to get the situation under control.

All u could do is keep qouting other persons suggestion and make contradiction.what is ur own explanation and what is ur own prefer solution? Since it is like normal to u with scientific reasons

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It used to happen to me when I was younger, very scary. some people say it's demonic attack but I don't believe it at the sametime there's no scientific explanation for it.

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Freezy,

l could imagine and understand what u went 2ru.

I know many persons and authurs may want to define and explain it scientifically but the fact still remains the same that it is satanic and l think the only way out is to draw nearer to GOD and make prayers be the last thing u do b4 u sleep because so many things go on at night.we realy dont know the battle that goes on while we sleep.

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Freezy,

l could imagine and understand what u went 2ru.

I know many persons and authurs may want to define and explain it scientifically but the fact still remains the same that it is satanic and l think the only way out is to draw nearer to GOD and make prayers be the last thing u do b4 u sleep because so many things go on at night.we realy dont know the battle that goes on while we sleep.

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It's not enuff that u think u know wat it is: "sleep paralysis" and that it's natural.

Wat causes it? - that's the question u didn't answer.

It's not about giving instances of who has had b/4.

@ BlackMamba

Guy, even the westerners know about these things. The fact that they don't fret over it like we do abround here does not mean they don't know such stuff exists.

Once upon a time, they were as superstitious as we are now, or even much more. 2day, majority of them are not, but these things are real - even in their land - regardless of who believes in them and who doesn't.

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its real, only too real for you to be imagining it,

ur best bet out is to pray before bedtime and make sure your bible is the last thing u read before u sleep, its a spiritual thing, a metaphysical manifestation of wicked entities just out to take advantage of your helpless and prone human spirit, pray and cover your urself with the blood of Jesus,

me., i was raised an african boyz and have seen stuff you couldn't even imagine, you deny it? what about pple devoted to the cult of lilith and co.

wise up man

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Naijacutee, hands down, you got that right. I have always maintained that some of the spritual problems we have in Africa is tied down to ancestral worship. Look at the rites involved in a trado marriage back home, like in my culture. Even today, certain parts of my tribe still insist on the sacrifice of an animal to an idol, to appease it, because of the belief that girls, prior to being born were 'married' to them in the spirit world. Nna, when my sisters get married, I know, those condemnable practises wont be holding. And that's final! I once attended a wedding in the Church, and during the reception, one of the elders poured libation. For what reason? In the same vein, I have observed that African Americans, most especially, some of them are so desperate to get intouch with their lost heritage, that they take some of their practises to the extremes. While some of us have gradually disassociated ourselves from those traditions, some AA have fervently adopted the practise of pouring libation, etc, etc. Maybe, the problems of witchcraft, once secluded (for the most part) in Africa might make its way to another land. As for me, no association with any fetish beliefs!

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Thank you, Barrackboy. As Africans, our lives a little more complicated than most Westerners, because of the amount of idol /devil worship practised by our ancestors. These things remain in our foundations and sometimes still do affect us. Most Westerners can easily take their "freedom" for granted because their ancestors created good foundations for them, foundations mostly based on Christianity. The tables are now turning and we are turning to the Bible and they are turning away. . . Let's see what the future holds for our descendants.

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These are simply the experiences that go with sleep paralysis. No need to look for a supernatural explanation, there's a convincing natural explanation (emphasismine):

sources:

http://www.csicop.org/si/9805/abduction.html

http://www.csicop.org/doubtandabout/sleep/

http://www.csicop.org/sb/9512/i-files.html

http://skepdic.com/sleepparalysis.html

http://skepdic.com/satan.html#incubus

http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P2.html

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Freezy, please go to your pastor for deliverance or attend the deliverance service of any good church around.  Good luck.

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Your mind is playing tricks on you. You are only fully alert once you wake up and your dream obviously stops. All the struggle and the "thing" keeping you from waking are part of the plot in your bad dream. People often dream about winning a lottery and never wake up to whine, but once they dream about some weired stuff they're quick to freak out.

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How do you explain it sir, when the "thing" keeps you from waking up? You are fully alert, you are even struggling, but you can't wake up?

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You were sleeping, and when you sleep you often engage in a human subconscious action called "dreaming", which sometimes are not sweet, ie nightmares. And because you're asleep, you feel helpless. Often when you wake up you feel just fine. If you don't go freaking out like some people do over bad dreams. And that's also why no one ever wakes up to confront the "thing" that was threatening them when they were sound asleep.

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This "thing" used to happen to my housemate. She used to have bad dreams as well. What have you done about it? Have you ever prayed to God about it?

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