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Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be?

Hi y'all,

Have u ever read a poem and found yourself wondering "WHAT DA HECK WAS DAT

Its people like Archibald McLeish who say ", a poem should not mean but be" we should blame for that!

I write poetry and I feel everything worthy of the name POEM, should mean something of worth - - u know, not just beatiful nonsense!

what say ye?

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I believe a poem cannot just be cos every poetry has an essence or meaning, or seek to at least communicate behind it. so the question whether you understand the meaning or the communication was done.

again bear in mind that poetry is a means of expression of oneself and i may not wish to communicate it to anyone. so the most important thing is that the person writing the poem expresses himself and not that another person understand

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@ Jesussfreak

Brilliant poetry; great philosophy.

Pls keep it up.

@JonAdoga

Hit me up pls. Sms 08060641635 for my email.

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Well, methinks you all are really gifted, but poetry should always makes sense, else it's just ramblings

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sometiimes i hate complex poetry

but i love it when ppple play on words too, does that count?

i wrote ds piece recently and i think its deep though not my everyday style

Lying hearts

So it is true

That when men stoop

Their heads can touch their scrotums

What wisdom exists

In the roundness of a fat fool’s belly

Cannot compare with that of a child

His belly is big and round, yes

Like a fura da nunu pot

Yes instead of milk

There are green algae

Decomposing slowly like a chameleon’s carcass

The same big bellies unite both beings

So it is true

That when a man looks beyond his nose

He sees his forehead

Even clowns dance in a king’s courtyard

Only when he wants to forget the enemies at his gates

So who fools who?

The jester who dances for the king’s money

Or the king who laughs in the face of war

So it is true

That when women go to war

Their bosom milk turns sour

Women who dance like soldiers

And chant the songs of freedom

Only do so for their children

The ones who know them not

The ones who call other women “mother”

When they come home

With the spoils of war

So u hail their victory

Or hiss in shame?

What do we know?

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To Be or Not To Be, that is the question,

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@ BTT

just beautiful - ", nothingness is a meaning in itself. . ." dat's just wonderful

I don't have any links to Mcleish - I just came across his writing and wasn't sooooo pleased. So many writers in the past had written on Ars poetica, but his just went down the wrong way. anyways, I was (self) published by Raider Int'l (NY USA), u can hit me for details.

@ Topic (hey, it's my topic, lol)this discourse is on, still on, TO BE OR TO MEAN?!?! thanx y'all

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Till Nature calls us all up, the issue of the essence of poetry will continue to flog academic literature.

While I would do my best not to be academic at all, i strongly believe that the holistic concept of "art for art sake" is substantial.

Many a persons want to create an art solely for the sake of creating an art. a good example is wen u create for a competition, . . .

Expression in any case, remains the main index of poetry. Therefore, that is the MEANING. As long as the writer has made an expression, it IS, so, it MEANS.

On the other hand, a poem might just be for a particular purpose; The poet takes into account the rules of the game and ensures his work fulfils all righteousness to have an "acceptable'' meaning.

Obviously because society is govern by a set of norms, fulfilling such norms usually attracts credence, and vice-versa. This is the crux of avant guardist artists. . .

Shortly, the sociology of literature remains that every aspect of society is mirrored in literature. Thus, nothingness is a meaning in itself. . .

So, let your poem BE. Create it. Leave the critique and the headache to the critics. That is the only way they can comfortably remain in business! Don't worry, they will help you give it a MEANING.

@ POSTER

I've some works I wish to publish, can you link me with your Archibald Mcleish. +234 01-2195050 or +2348060641635, or bttmonarchs@yahoo.com.

Ciao.

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poems can just be, and still mean just by being.

one classic

" hauling your head

this way and that way

as you clung to the sun

to the last shred of the exploded dawn

-in your fist

That Monday

(hughes, Night ride on Ariel)

And I

Am the Arrow

the dew that flies suicidal

at one with the ride into the red

-Eye, the cauldron of dawn"

(sylvia platt, Ariel)

these are actually 2 poems by the estranged couple. it doesnt seem to mean anything, but by being, it means a lot after sylvia platt died.

"dew that flies suicidal". brilliant.

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Got to Be Mean

Remember the days

When we were young and green

When we had to be told

What every poem should mean.

Trees could never be trees;

Had to be similes

And every clause

Had its own metaphors.

Then we grew up

And discovered hip-hop

Everything had to rhyme

Every day, every time.

In the beginning

Most of us ignored the meaning

'Cause flow was the only way

We had to go.

Now it's full circle again;

The battle of heart and brain

The verse versus the refrain.

Should poems be or mean?

What could a poem ever mean

If it's never been?

Copyright 2008 Winston C. Ikekeonwu

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@zawrita

great poem

mischievous- - - - -I really like

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dude, e be like say u dey shack well well, lol, not bad I'd say

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Way to go Zawrita! that rocks! if u go on writing stuff like this u might be on ur way to the Nobel prize! (ok maybe i'm just psychin' u, lol)

the thing u said about "dazzling" the mind of a reader, I'd say that's the difference between good poetry and regular prose, with poetry there's some room for "beautiful nonsense" while tryin' to convey a message,

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UNLIKE OTHER GENRES ,POETRY MUST BE AND ALSO MEAN. A NEW  REFRESHING FEELING OF REVERIE SHOULD SEIZE THE READER OF A GOOD POEM, HE SHOULD EXPERIENCE THE GREAT FUSION OF HIS SOUL, MIND AND SPIRIT IN THEIR QUEST TO DECIPHER THE MEANING OF THE POEM. I DO NOT SUSCRIBE TO ABSTRACT RUBBISH BUT ALSO A GOOD POEM SHOULD DAZZLE THE MIND OF THE READER AND LINGER IN HIS MIND FOR LONG.  THE POEM MAY USE SIMPLE WORDS BUT IMAGES AND SYMBOLS SHOULD BE ATLEAST CAPTIVATING. Adogas poem has beuty and rhyme . HAVE A BIT OF MINE.

WEB OF LOVE

(For sa’adat)

Didn’t the poet

Wear the sights of saints

To see beyond the face of the sun?

Didn’t the poet

Don the garb of mourning

To dance the kiss of death?

Didn’t the poet

Gulp the drink of madness

And sing the Song of Songs?

All, for the poetess’s sake?

Is that why

He Swaggered

Staggered

Tumbled

Rumbled

And crashed

Into the wilderness as   dust of dusk?

Could it equally be why?

He was slapped

Smashed

Chained

And hanged

Across the seven stakes in the WEB OF LOVE?

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Doyin, I'm glad u weren't alienated for too long! howz construction work doin on ur site!?? just messin with you! I dont see anything wrong with the word in that context,

I wrote this in protest to the school of the "let the poem just be" ,

[center]If thy soul be of the wild and heavy

And your lips on fire with beauty

Take my brace child and hold steady

Here we chant not oft of our wrath

Near lain though to the jar broken

There; alas, a painter, a preacher and law

But sir if all that thy soul wishes

Borders not nigh to the broken pieces

And that these mean not, but just be;

Hang me now on Ars Poetica’s tree! [/center]

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