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The Battered Wife Syndrome?

Was reading on the net about one convicted killer, she was arrested for killing her husband

Fine, there's nothing new bout sumn like that, but the funny part is the fact that she claimed it was 'self defence'

This is kinda strange given the fact that she shot her husband in his sleep

He was defenceless, at his weakest, posing no threat to her safety at that exact moment

Her defence lawyer claimed she was suffering from the after-effect of consistent abuse, he pled the battered woman syndrome

My question is Is this 'syndrome' not just another attempt by the law to leave a loophole for criminals to escape?

Since it has been proven that every killer does so for a reason, why should women be allowed to kill because of fear'

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we have a common ground there.i rest my case

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What's ordinary in being abused?

Of course she's not herself anymore. Woman don create another world for herself . . . . . .inside her mind

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thats the poinjt am driving at, developing rage could take her from the simple to the catatonic stage of schizo.no ordinary dude will pick up a gun to the pop of her kids

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Schizo kini?

She was being abused! Of course she'll develop rage for him.

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she sure must have inhibited the rge for dat man overtime, and perhaps and more likely,she is schizophrenic

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No all women are strong enough to just step aside and find the right escape route.

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Is it also easy killing the father of your kids?

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She had the guts to shoot? Why didn't she use that same guts to simply walk out of the relationship?

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I love the idea of this syndrome. I believe it really exists because it's a deep psychological state of mind.

However, this will be the reason i'll use when i finally shoot HIM

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For self defense, you can kill someone in their sleep but you will have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that not doing so will definitely put your own life at risk, including violent death.

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Do you know his size, his strength?

Do you know her motif for killing him while he was asleep?

Don't you think she feared him overpowering her while he's awake?

Some women are psychos, no matter how much a man abuse them, they'll always feel for him.

Maybe she attempted to kill him before, but he sweet talked her out of it, she loved him too much to kill him while he was "finally" admiring her.

She couldn't take it anymore! Had to kill him while he was sleeping, when he couldn't move or do anything about it!

I've watched such cases on CrimeTv, it may be just a TV show, but it's cases that can actually happen. Which I think it's same as the case you brought up on your thread.

~you're not the only one nodding off here, I must take my nap now. bodi dey tire, ya know. laterz~

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Haba . . . I'm nodding off already

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Maybe the lady feared being abused when he wakes?

She was defending herself from future abuse

You don't even know the whole story behind it all.

Maybe he threaten to kill her later on, who knows?

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Clemency Granted to 25 Women Convicted for Assault or Murder for 'Battered Spouse Syndrome

This was in Ohio as far back as 1990

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IMO. . . . "Battered Wife Syndrome" is a meanz of justifying a woman for killin her huzband. . .

based on the fact that she haz really suffered long-term violence in marriage.

I don't think iz a kind of attempt by d law to leave loophole for criminals 2 escape!

As such women would be convicted of a lesser offence like Manslaughter rather than Murder.!!!

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dreeldee as far as he was breathing he posed a threat as far as she is concerened. This is why it is always best to leave the first time he slaps you or shoves you. It only gets to this point after a long history of physical and mental abuse.

I think what the judges need to start doing is looking at the history of the relationship. If she had a chance to get out and CHOSE not to then she contributed to the abuse. I know it sounds harsh but you do have control over things like this.

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what is she defending herself against in sleep?

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I agree with her lawyer. It was defense.

If a woman has been abused countless times, she'll do anything to get out of that situation, esp. if she fears his next abuse.

Depends on what the abuse is. Well, abuse is abuse sha! The man deserved it. Atleast it was painless, me I would have suffocated him or strangled him.

Poor woman, her actions must have been the effect of fear, who could blame her?

As to your question, why should women be allowed to kill because of fear?

SINCE you men still consider women as fragile creatures, then women will continue to be looked upon as innocent and defenseless. Even some women that should be put to jail, they'll be allowed to roam free, awaiting their next prey.

This is why we're telling y'al it's time for equality, but nooo!!

Moreover, Why should men be allowed to abuse their wife? What is the catalyst that drives them to such action? Sometimes human beings baffles me!

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i haven't met one. but which life is better, living with a beast at home or spending the rest of your life in jail or ending your life pre maturely (death sentence)?

pc guru,

that was why i said no matter what happened ABSOLUTELY no one has the right to KILL another person. whether it was true or a calculated act , she is GUILTY, PERIOD.

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Well i read it again, and it doesn't say that the wife was battered by her husband, so i really dont understand, pa-pa dim and onyinye, she only said she was battered by her husband, which was her cover-up.

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She should have kept his testicles as a trophy!

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yea u answered with have i ever met a woman. but what does that have to do with . . . .

ur excuse is she's insane, right?

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no matter the provocation, no one has the right to kill another human. she is guilty.

WHY?

cos she did not act in self defence. the guy was asleep for christ sake. anyway the husband deserves what he got.

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The news doesn't even specify that the husband does actually beat her, it says she said she was battered by her husband, obviously she's lying, yet we turning this to a Battle of the Sexes topic.

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You two are just making up lame excuses. I'm the first person to talk against abuse and all but shooting in the sleep is garbage

If it was done while the abuse was happening fine, Im all for it. Infcat I'd probably be her lawyer but anyhing other than that is bullshit

and yes she could leave and as for pushing family away, so what? If she runs back to the family, I highly doubt they'd kick her out. If anything they will thank GOD that she finally woke up.

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And what makes you think that the mentality of men change depending on where you live. I don't care how many laws there are to protect people from abuse. IF they gona beat you, they gona beat you.

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This is not Nigeria where women dont have any hope.

She could easily get a restraining order. They are plenty of things that can be done. Even mafia wives can escape.

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Naw, I doubt she would have lived to see the day he would let her walk away. She would be running for her life everyday of her life. I'm talking about dangerous men here.

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[qoute]According to trial testimony, on November 9, 1990, Peggy Sue Saiz used a pistol obtained from her boyfriend to shoot her husband, George, four times, killing him. Then, in order to simulate a burglary, Peggy Sue collected items from their home and took them to her mother's house and boyfriend's residence.

Witnesses said that after Peggy Sue shot her husband she went to a bar with her sister. There she met and danced with another man and later the trio went for a late-night snack. After which her sister called 911 from the Saiz home while Peggy Sue faked hysteria in the background.

When police arrived Peggy Sue first told police a burglar had killed her husband. When that story didn't stand up, she admitted shooting her husband but then claimed she was a battered wife and had killed him in self defense.

But, in addition to her infidelity, Peggy Sue had taken out large insurance policies on her husband before killing him.

Dr. Kathy Morall, a forensic psychiatrist, testified during Peggy Sue's trial that the defendant was not suffering from battered woman's syndrome or post traumatic stress disorder at the time she shot her husband.

During the trial Peggy Sue's attorney, Walter Gerash, attempted to call as witnesses two public defenders to challenge Dr. Morall's credibility, but the trial court denied that request. As an aside, it is usually only possible to call attorneys as witnesses under special circumstances, and apparently the defense attorney's request did not meet those conditions under Colorado law.

Peggy Sue Saiz was then sentenced to life in prison for the cold-blooded, premeditated murder of her husband.

Mrs. Saiz's case was appealed all the way to the Colorado Supreme Court and was denied. Then her case was appealed to Federal court. According to the July 23, 2001, edition of the Denver Post (p. 2B) US. District Judge Wiley Daniel granted Mrs. Saiz a new trial based on the trial court's refusal to allow the public defenders to be called as witnesses as to the "character and reputation for truthfulness of government witness Dr. Kathy Morrall."

Mrs. Saiz's second trial was scheduled for January 7, 2002, in Adams County District Court. But according to the Wednesday, July 24, 2002, edition of the Denver Post (p. 3B) the Colorado Court of Appeals upheld her previous conviction, ruling that although the trial court should have allowed the testimony, the error was harmless, and overturned the Federal court ruling requiring a new trial.[quote][/quote]

i don,t see any serious link to wife battering.from my point of view i think the wife is so guilty, forget what i said about breaking point,cuz obliviously this is a planned work.

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OR she could leave and make him pay alimony for the rest of his life which is a better punishment

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Harmless while asleep but a ogre while awake. Perfect opportunity to kill the bastard that beats the hell out of you every day.

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Lol they'll be too hopped up on Vicodin.

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no justification for killing the man, she should be made to face the law, no hiding under the guise of insanity or anything

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She's saying they all aren't sane so we should send them to professional centers where they can kill more people.

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But a woman that killed a man in his sleep should escape?

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And they attacked innocent people. This woman killed the man that was abusing her.

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so people now lay claim to insanity to justify the untold pains they inflict on others

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Or the kids in High School that go spraying pple because of 'bullying'?

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Are you defending the fact that she shot him oyinye?

It would have made more sense if she shot him DURING the abuse, but instead she waited til he was alseep?

That's garbage and can only work in the UK.

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That's some BS. She's going to jail. Self defense should only be used when you are being attacked at that moment and you fought back and "unfortunately" killed the attacker.

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Yall don't know how hard it is to walk out of an abusive relationship. You want to leave but you can't. He controls. From what you think about to what you do. You don't see yourself worthy of any man because your man killed your self esteem. There are nights you just dream that you will wake up in a different bed in a different world. But wake up to see your tamer lying right beside you. I can only imagine what that lady was thinking when she brought her heat and coped a bullet in his head.

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You would be suprised how many are getting of the hook.

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and how many has actually gotten off the hook?

jury eh? hmm. what a surprise.

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Would it have been any better to kill him when he had his eyes open and looking str8 at her? Do you think her chances of living would have been good? If this was the only time that was safe to defend herself and her life depended on it, hey, got to do what you go to do.

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he posed no threat, he was asleep

@post i think she deserves to be shot while in an unconscious state

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It works mostly when the lawyers ask for a jury, instead of the sole judge

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Killing out of fear sounds like self defense.

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