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2pac: A Perfect Example of Hiphop's Exaggerated Gangsterism??

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Na gangster we go chop? What's so cool about getting Molested in jail? With all this love you have for gangsters I'm sure you would hate to be impregnated by one.

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Whether he was gangsta or not ain't my concern. But for someone whose mother was pregnant with him while in jail, he sure is a gangsta to me. And the craziest thing about him is that he talked about his death in many of his songs; it's like he knew he was going to die. Now, that's what I call a G!

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He was the closest thing to a gangster he lived what he rapped unlike most people that where in the game

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See how my man has been dead for 13 years yet his name wont stop coming out your fat lips lol. When you say the GOAT, it should mean greatest overall,  with that in mind i would say that as far as hip hop is concerned, Pac has had the most impact so he deserves that crown.

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tupac was ill man! d realest of da illest no doubt, but sometimes, i cant help but ask if truly he wasnt overrated. the world seems to react to sorrow related issues when it comes to hiphop.u doubt me? listen to bonethugs crossroads original version, no death, normal track. but the dj uneek remix that was done after eazy e died was no1 on charts for months!!!!!!!!. lostboyz -the LB4 life album sold more than anticipated because freaky tahrik died just b4 its release. 50 cent? who would have imagined that he would blow up? but no, the guy declined in making sense, started making dumb tracks and mixed it up with being shot, what do we get? superstar! even tuface used it. relevance? ask yourself if tupac would have had this much importance is he had been alive, i honestly doubt it.his best track dear mama was based on sentiments and even at that was released when he was alive.dont get me wrong peeps, tupac remains tha illest but he's not what people see him to be

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well dnt know much to talk about but what i can say is i[b] think 2pac is missunderstood![/b] he might be blahblah, but them badman comes on different form, i guess, he made it clear, im not a murder, i dnt wana commit murder, i think hes a soildier,

remember this tune-my definition of a thug nigger

so poster get ur head straight

he is a true soldier, and i think it takes a lot of courage to say what he said and even being on his shoes i think

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Fact is the whole gangster, thuglife thing with Tupac was not real, it was just business simple. Given that he was still young when he died, I think it was just a passing phase.

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The fact that sum people still see Pac as the embodiment of 'ghetto life' is amazing

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@eldee

I was not referring to his gangsta repertoire or whatever i was simply referring to his rap besides who doesn't know that these rappers do more shootings with their mouths than their hands

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@A-40, Bamsyle and Sauron

Y'all should try to see what the OP was talking about

He pointed out that the whole 'Street' image Tupac gave us was exaggerated in his death

Yeah, Pac was rolling wiv the realest gangster we'll prolly ever hear of, but you have to remember that this bruv went to school while Biggie was hustling

Tupac made it appear like he was sum badman before he came into music, when it's obviously the opposite

That's what's over-rated, not his talent.

He's prolly the greatest rapper that ever walked on this soil, but he wasn't close to the Godfather image he gave us

You call sumone fake and the next thing everyone goes 'Pac's the realest' when this dude's first offence was jaywalking

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Still i Rise that Song was classic even his Outlaw pals sounded good on it.

Pac was good though one of my favorite lines of his was H.to da.O.to da.M.to da.I.to da.E i am down till the E.N.D

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YO who gives a Bleep why yaw hatin on him, Hes the best fuckin rapper ever,

They ain't nobody like Pac B.I.G. n Big L they the best of all time I miss them, They spit the truth, about real poo,

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2pac is not really overrated. . . . . .That Nigga hurled lyrics. . . . .

Funny enough, my favourite 2pac's album is 7 day theory(Makaveli) and Still I Rise. . . . .

If u want it raw, hardcore and raw anger. . . .One can't go wrong with those albums.

Nigga was defly superior. . . .

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First and Foremost Pac is dead and two he was not over-rated he has had a better career dead than most rappers will ever have in their lifetime he is the greatest ever Period

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Well, overrated or not, d guy is immortal jst lyk biggie is 2. For many pple and rappers to talk abt d guy almost 11yrs after his death says it all.

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2 Pac,like many deceased celebs,became the subject of exagerated glorification.When people die,the tendency is to paint them in the best liight possible.

However,when he was alive,he was one of the best

Nowadays,my best rappers are Nas,Bishop Lamont,Llyod Banks,Termanology,50 Cents

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Im not a rap artiste per say in that i dont have an y album out but i think i can beat my chest and say that although pac is a very good rapper , but compared to someone like biggy , naaaa biggy was by miles better. my own view though although u have to understand that all musicians have their own style which might work 4 them

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2pac is a legend. Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Now my screen's covered in purple.

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I was right, u're trippin' off dat cali green.

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Just leave these clowns alone to keep listening to Black Face and their Rugged Man. I don't waste my time discussing with em cos they're allergic to researching stuffs and if you try shown em things their inferiority complex kicks in and they get emotional.

I'm out!

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I guess I'm arguing under the wrong topic but the funny thing is the argument about him being what he portrayed has come up a lot lately in other forums I check and with my friends. So I guess my argument doesn't really flow with the topic

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R u KIDDING me? Tupac wasn't placed where everyone was placed? C'mon now. I thought u said u saw resurrection? I hate this argument because I love 2pac but all I've been trying to make ppl see was tupac was no thug or gangsta. Did u see him in jail? He looked like a scared puppy. There are even rumors going around he was Molested in there (not saying its true) but if he was such a badass that won't even come up. 2pac was a lot of things but not that thug image he was trying to portray. I know a guy that can live and die for 2pac, in fact his nickname is Shakur because ppl have lied to him he looks like pac (he's my very close friend so no beef). Anyway even he said it that the whole thug image thing was nonsense. That is someone that wakes up with Pac and goes to bed with him. He was even the one that told me about the whole jail molest b4 I checked on the internet (he was sure it happened by the way). The whole thug image was one of the attributes 2pac possessed that made him have such a huge following.

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2pac Is The Most Overrated Rapper Alive

silly me I thought he was dead, ah what do I know.

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Thank u jö adetife, i think dblock's trippin' off some early mornin' chronic.

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Eminem maybe, Nas No!!.

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what do u mean i screwed the thread up? I was simply giving a situation whereby his childish aggression made a girl change her number. Obviously girls loved him doesn't mean every girl. You actually screwed it up, the only two women u could come up with for a whole 2Pac is Madonna & Patra.

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Please what history did he make in jail? Yeah you're right he was childish and a nuisance in many cases. Thats the reason Janet Jackson changed her number after they did poetic justice together. Whatever you don't understand in my post lemme know. Hope u've sobered up tho'

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Yes The game, respect the name

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Some folks here, don't know what rap is. Tupac Shakur was the begining of Modern rap. His only competition was Bad Boy(Puff Daddy and his crew) and Biggie smalls. Before Tupac's style of rapping, it was all old school(NWA and poo), Tupac created the Rap that we know today. Else we would still be listening to RUN DMC, NWA style rap. Fitey Cent isn't a Tupac. The greatest rappers ever are Tupac, Biggie smalls, Dr Dre and The Game. Good rap isn't speed or skill, it's a combination of both. Fitey cent is close, but isn't at that level. Bones Thugz n harmony, have got speed but there's no soul in their music, the Same goes for Twista, Busta Rhymes, Ludacris, Jadkiss etc. Tupac is to Rap as George washington is to the states. Listen to Dr Dre, Pac and Game and you'll understand.

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@Ibdat, I see.

@ topic,

About gangstarism & crime in biggie's case. Common did crime & went to jail in the past, that didn't qualify him as a gangsta, so that street cred stuff isn't about how much drugs u slinged b4, its about here and now, lets see how much drama u can pop NOW. Dig? But like i said, forget about d gangstarism, matta'fact, forget about pac & big, *they're gone* get it?

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Omo did u read my post? I used yo post to highlight the flaw in his own post!!

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@ibdat, na me u dey call mugu or d other guy? Or 2 of us?

@topic, me i don't care about gangstarism(i'm not a gangsta), all i know is that both in themes & rhymes &  even delivery, pac is good, u don't like him, please bend over & nibble on ur fkuccin jacobs!!

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@ibdat, na me u dey call mugu or d other guy? Or 2 of us?

@topic, me i don't care about gangstarism(i'm not a gangsta), all i know is that both in themes & rhymes &  even delivery, pac is good, u don't like him, please bend over & nibble on ur fkuccin jacobs!!

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@ibdat, na me u dey call mugu or d other guy? Or 2 of us?

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not just the media, his songs, his demeanor, his prancing around the courtroom, his mis-yarns, beating ppl up in public, and so on. He wanted to portray a gangsta and the media ate it up.

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Wasn't comparing 2pac to Biggie, b4 Biggie made it with Puffy you do realise he toured with Pac right? Anywayz, all i'm saying is whatever image you might claim that Pac portrayed, you might wanna check that as he never claimed to be a gangstar or killer! the media has a way portraying certain images about people and it's this image that you are falling victims of. Forgetting all media reports, he had issues with certain rappers and aired them on his songs and interviews - does that make him a gangstar? Apart from that what else?

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@topic, rof-lmao, mr-me too:

*nods head*. I totally agree. Dude's like way way overrated. Each time i mention this, i get heavily criticized by them 2pac loyalists and nut-suckers.

I've always maintained a position - that the true gangsta can't make a true musician and a true musician can't make a true gangsta. Truth is, most of the images we see are only propagated by the media as they act as catalysts. Studio gangstas, so to say, are nothing but media manipulators. However, this doesn't deny 2pac's musical abilities. But one thing's for sure : without the backing of Suge Knight and them Deathrow mofos, Pac was a lone figure. It was those behind him that were the "Strong men".

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@IBDat

This is not a thread for comparing 2pac and Biggie, there are millions of that already. Biggie trained under 2pac? Where? How? When? Please stop that. My argument was that 2pac's thug image was as fake as the designer brands that come out of Aba. Biggie confronted him after the show (no confusion here), keyword "confronted" not asked politely. Go check biggie and Pac's history and then u'll actually know who is the true gangsta between two of them. Don't let 2pac's noise and swagger fool you that is what its supposed to do and I see its working. I never said anything bad about his songs, personally I think they are great.

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@topic, rof-lmao, mr-me too:

*nods head*. I totally agree. Dude's like way way overrated. Each time i mention this, i get heavily criticized by them 2pac loyalists and nut-suckers.

I've always maintained a position - that the true gangsta can't make a true musician and a true musician can't make a true gangsta. Truth is, most of the images we see are only propagated by the media as they act as catalysts. Studio gangstas, so to say, are nothing but media manipulators. However, this doesn't deny 2pac's musical abilities. But one thing's for sure : without the backing of Suge Knight and them Deathrow mofos, Pac was a lone figure. It was those behind him that were the "Strong men".

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Read before u post - mugu!

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Go watch "Resurrection" by 2pac. He narrated most of the whole story. He said most of these things with his own mouth

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so 2 pac is alive now? goats.

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Most overated rapper 'alive'?

1. 2pac is NOT alive.

2. How true do we know these 'facts' are?- Cos if u say 2pac's fans are taking his gangstarism claims hook, line & sinker, we can also say u 2pac haters are taking these so-called 'facts' hook, line & sinker too.

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I don't know whether to make you next Nigerian President or give you a Nobel Prize for your "contribution and research in rap music". I've given up discussing with these Pac zombies cos it's jus a wate of time now. They're like Al Quaeda suicide bombers. They're just too slow to do use their common sense to asses the facts staring them in the face!

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Don't worry your money would be fine.

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