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Lyrics Vs Rhythm: Which Is More Important?

I think the lyrics are most important but for nigerians its the rhythm that is anything danceable not minding what the person is really saying, like "Nigerian girls like koboko".

Pls help me ask dbanj what that means and a lot of other nonsense he says in his songs.  Wande coal has better words. Anyway he said it in his entertainer track that music does not have a language so anybody can wake up one day and say anything and yet people will buy.

What do you think?

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word! if the rythm is not good, nobody will be attracted to the song. u need to have a good rythm before people will be interested in listening to what u saying.

that's what's killing mode.even the big words are not well conveyed.i wonder if he understands them also.

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They r both important bt IMO rhythm hs an edge over lyrics. Lyrics don't rily make a song 'dat' appealing to listeners the way rhythm does.

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this is what it is

nas is a rap God but financially, he is nowhere near Ferrari F

on d flip side fif is rich but nothin compared 2 nas lyrically. . .get it?

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Pally u r very right,naija peeps listen to rhythm instead of the lyrics n i fink dats y our youths today r not d type dat finks.

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@eldee <br> i was waitin 4 sumone 2 let u knw dat rap is not just music, it is POETRY. Whicheva way u want 2 luk @ it. It is one of the forms of african american literature wiv other forms like oratory, sermon. etc. Talkin about lyrics and rythm is like talkin about content and form of a literary work; they work hand in hand. Though, sum genres like pop and 'tungba' fuji stress d rythm dn d lyrics. In spoken word, real hiphop and classical fuji, ur lyrics nids 2 b workd on thoroughly, and even at dat u need 2 work on rhythm, it is ur style. It is wat seperates m9 and m.i. It is wat makes blakthought and wale sound almost d same. It is wat makes 'tekzilla' of d str8 butta 2 say 'its all in d game, we can write 2geda but neva spit d same'

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The worst thing in the world is an ignorant man with a strong opinion.

Lyrics are definitely more important in the long run and for crying out loud, 2pac was the greatest of them all. I will always respect that guy. . . he set the pace for others to follow.

There are a lot of songs that I love seriously because of the lyrics. When it comes to certain songs, i love them because of their beat. Lil' Wayne's 3 Peat was crazy enough to make me go crazy. Guys like Jay-Z and Nas have really conveyed a lot by their lyrics. . . and that is the respect sets Jay-Z and his counterpart apart from the other wannabe rappers in the industry.

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@a-40 <br> canibus is way overrated here and wen it comes 2 talkin about thought provokin ryms, blackthought kills both nas & canibus. No point in makin an mc luk god-like, vinnie and Allah of mind triks beat canibus, evn 2 agresivnes on d mic.

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@Sauron

Jigga and Nas grammatically challenged? Are you kidding me? seriously this Canibus thingy is getting too far!! are you sure you are not his hypeman? mehn i wouldn't be suprised if Canibus did not understand half of what he spits hence his crappy delivery if you even want to talk about underground lyricists talk about cats like Black Thought of The Roots and not serial failures like Canibus.

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Lyrics is better , but i see both as the same ,

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No beef intended @ d two parties involvd in dis heated argument, but dis one reason nigeria is nt developin. Our elders pik up a topic, they'll argue till they loose focus on d topic and as a result, come up wiv no concrete conclusions. For u 2 have valid arguments, its gd 2 let ppl know its "in my opinion" and dnt make ur subjektiv opinions sound objective; like sumone sayin nas has lost d intelligence in his ryms. None of us is an authority 2 say dis and infakt, in my opinion, dis is wrong. Nas can truly b all mouth, but he's always on point except some few joints. Canibus is anoda intelligent mc who has aggressive and violent ridden lyrics. This sets his style away 4rm nas' all-rakim style. Jack d ripper is canibus' best record but dt doesn't make it best rap record. And indeed, anyone can hav his best effort evn a fool. Alabai beta dn m9! How?

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Rhythm, why ? anybody can compose lyrics but not every lyrics get rhythm,lol! so as long as music is concern i 'll give it up to rhythm.

regards,

Igwe!

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Rhymes tend to attract one to the song before the lyrics take over.

I've despised certain songs till i listened carefully to the lyrics.

Generally, i'd say lyrics wins it.

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@eldee

whether ur case rests or not . . d point remains dat u have no point

@Ibime

I love to code in the same way i love anything that has to do with poetry. i m crazy abour poetry!!!

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Eldee, I don't agree with your statement.

We all seek mental stimulation in lyrics, no matter how highly educated.

Javalove is a codemaster, yet he seeks stimulation in music.

Even the educated classes prefer to listen to stimulating songsters like Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan, The Beatles etc. Sam Cooke never hit his peak until he recorded 'Change gon' come'. Likewise Marvin Gaye with 'Mercy Me'. Ditto Otis Redding.

When we want to gyrate, that is a different story. Thats where artists like D'Banj, Koffi Olomide, Timbaland etc come into play.

However, it isn't a rappers job to get us dancing, thats the job of the producer.

The rapper is there to spit with cadence and rhythm first, otherwise we wont listen. Then, when he grabs our attention, he can only keep it with stimulating lyrics.

Twista is one of the illest rappers rhythmically. He can catch my attention, but he can't keep it for long cos his lyrics are empty. Same goes for Flo-ridah. Similarly, I am not too fond of rappers who have good lyrics but a stuttering flow - eg: Immortal technique, GZA etc

BTW, I wouldn't read too much into Barrack saying Jay Z is his favourite rapper. He probably doesn't even listen to HipHop. These politicians love to lie. If Jigga was not helping him with his campaign, he'd probably say Puffy is his favourite rapper. And BTW, Jay HAS good lyrics to go with his flow.

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Now that was an eyeful!! Seriously the long and short of it is out of the names that have been mentioned the Ice Cube's,Rakim's Krs-one's,Chuck D's,Big Daddy Kane and Kool G Rap we all know Canibus is the least relevant in the game and has never really been relevant at any point in time so hopefully this would end the argument

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you should listen to jay-z's black album in acapella. no beats just lyrics and it made sense.

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Lyrics definitely, but the truth is neither can really stand with out the other.

A proper fussion of Lyrics and Rhythm is the secret of a classic.

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As for Canibus he is not well acknowledged and respected by his peers i have not seen any foremost rapper give him props or anything which is very telling and shows he didn't do well enough as an MC

Pound for Pound though Canibus is not on Rakim Allah's level and should not even be compared to Rakim abeg

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Hehehehe. . . . what is going on here?

Lemme just say this: Nas' ether diss to Jay Z is only a classic diss in the eyes of the unseasoned observer. I personally thought Ether was trash. Just a bunch of silly lines that had no base in reality. Jay Z's diss to Nas on Blueprint 2 was far superior. The perception that Nas won that battle only came about because people WANTED Nas to win. It was like a fight between commercial HipHop and Underground HipHop and at that moment, people were fed-up with Jay Z because he was all over our TV screens. If you compare Ether to Blueprint 2, Blueprint 2 easily bodies Ether.

As for Canibus, lyrically he is up there as the best in the biz, but as an emcee he falls short because sonically, his music is a dissapointment.

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Me thinks this is a no brainer really.

The reason why it's called Music is cuz it's a sound that has rythm and melody. Not all sound is music. It has to have melody and some sort of rythm.

What makes anything music is the presence of melody and rythm in a sound.

Going by that assertion, the primary ingredients of music are melody and rythm, the rest are just mere additions. Are we to say Jazz, orchestras or blues without vocals aren't "Good Music" ??

Just ask yourself why the great speeches and sayings of this world are not classified as music.

If you have to make sense in your music, by all means do but make no mistake about it, Music doesn't care one way or the other.

U got sound with Rythm and Melody, U got music. U've got sound with Very good Rythm and Melody, U've got Very Good music. U've got sound with Very good Music and Melody with the addition of very good Vocals/Lyrics, u've got Great Music.

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This is like asking which is more important to a car! Your brakes or your clutch? Of course they are both important as a matter of fact its a fine mix of both it depends on the mood of the listener trust me there are times when the last thing that would matter is lyrics so i would rather have a mix of both.I don't look all out for big words and the so-called scientific terms i also attach importance to street smart lyrics that actually apply to real world scenarios but good beats are what would probably attract you to the track in the first place

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I’m not only having a laugh. I’m having a fit . . .

I got my formal education from proper institutions. Not from Rap.

I got, and still get my informal education from colleagues, media, church, music (Rap inclusive).

Formal education taught me about Science/Tech, Computers, Law, etc.

Informal education taught, and still teaches me about Interpersonal Relationship, Business, Trust, Love, etc.

Rap encourages me to do certain things that Education decries. For example, Rap encourages me to use foul language. It encourages me to use words like “” when arguing with people. But Education says not to. So I struck a balance. I chose not to . . .

@Eldee

I’m not 100% into your “controversial theory”. I do not agree with you saying that the sole reason lyrical content is important to the critical reception of hiphop is because "half the artists and listeners are uneducated anyways”. An educated black man would listen to KRS-One and still get more educated.

Why? One - As a human race, our reading culture is fast declining. Worse still, we do not even know. That’s why a full-fledged graduate can declare that rap music teaches him more than what University taught him. Peops would rather sit down all day - watchin’ TV, listening to the radio, fiddling with computers. As such, a black but educated man might prefer to listen to Rap Music and get educated instead of reading up on issues. He might not read what Voltaire, Hippocrates, Rene Descartes or Montaigne wrote on Philosophy or Political Science but he would listen to what KRS or Nas said on the same subjects . . .

Two, rap fans love wordplay, witty sayings, rhymes, quotable quotes et al (all in one package plus information). CNN’s not into all that. CNN just gives information.

Three, with Rap comes creativity. Rap also atimes can give you very vivid and graphic imageries that even the visual details of CNN cannot give. As such, instead of watching CNN telling us ‘bout Charles Darwin’s theories on DNAs, we might prefer to hear Nas tell us in a more creative way like he hinted in his “New World”.

Four, an educated mind seeks more education. And he would seek such education from any source - books, media, music . . .

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Do you want me to quote Nas here??

Oh, now Nas does not care about lyrics??

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^^^

People who say things like "take it back to the streets" or "street cred" actually don't care about lyrics, they care about the beat. Using that logic, those who care about the beat are the illiterate ones and those who care about the lyrics are the smart ones. Case Closed.

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Personally, I'll go for lyrics any day, anytime. I think a song is meaningless if the lyrics makes no sense. A fine rhythm is somewhat necessary but you don't compromise that for sound lyrics.

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No disrespect bro but while this is the most controversial thing you ever said, it also happens to be the dumbest thing I've ever read. I've never heard anyone call Common black man's CNN and the last time I checked, a lot of hip-hop heads still regarded KRS-One as a crazy conspiracy theorist. I listen to music for entertainment but I also want to get the feeling that the musician is creative with his lyrics. The extra points come if the musician is socially conscious, not because I'm not educated but because I love some substance.

To disprove your point completely, I'll point out that the uneducated people who listen to hiphop don't listen to KRS-one or Common, they listen to Soulja Boy.

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I know this might be the most controversial thing I've ever spewed on this forum, but, fact is, there is only one reason why lyrical content is important to the critical reception of hiphop.

It's because half the artists and listeners are uneducated anyways. Kinda like the proverbial city of blind men.

This is the reason why people are praised for spewing what another person already learnt from reading books and watching CNN.

Why do y'all think Common's called Black Man's CNN?? Because the black man will refuse to go to school in order to understand CNN, but then he'll come back and listen to KRS-One and claim he's deep.

Nas comes out to scream Hiphop Is Dead and errone goes, 'damn, this is soo deep' . . . fcukin hell, in the educated circles, it's called the incorporation of subcultures by the ruling class and they've sure predicted it since God knows when.

For you lot, when you're inclined towards intellect, you listen to rap, for other people, they read wide, watch educative stuff, and sumtimes GO TO SCHOOL and then listen to hiphop as a form of entertainment.

Yeah, Obama's best musician is Jay-Z, but nope, he didn't get his silky communication abilities and encyclopedic brains from Hov, he got it from freaking Havard Law School.

So when next you think you're on sum 'high intellectual level' cus you're listening to Thugz Mansion, ask yourself if you've gotten any smarter than all those CEOs of multimillion dollar companies that will rather listen to Jazz.

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I have always been a Bis fan. . . . .

The reason i'd rate Eminem above him is cos Eminem's beats are better and the production is top draw.

However, lyrics versus lyrics. . . . . . . .There's no one iller than Canibus.

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A very good question . Good music comes with your ability to balance the script , the rite lyrics with the rite rythms else you wont make the sales cut . having said that i would go for LYRICS anyday cuz thats what keeps your song relevant and timeless. 1lov

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I prefer rhythm, if i need lyrics, then i will be reading poems.

rhymth touches my soul and makes me want to hold my head.

but lyrics, just feel like "yea, thats true" or "i like that flow"

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God bless u and ur parents !!!! You spat me mind!!!

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Nas is beta lyrically than Jay-Z, but Jay-Z got beta rhythm n more fan acceptance, 2pac lyrically is beta than biggie but i prefer the rhythm of Biggie, game is lyrically beta than lil wanye but lil wanye is more accpted for his silly rhythms.

Lyrics is for peeps more inclined to music on the intellectual levels but for normal average peeps rhythm is wat they looking for. Ask RuggedMan or just listen to his rugged baba track.

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The lyrics of Enigma gets my goat anyday , they are deep.

Return to innocence

Sadeness ( pronounced as sadness )

Gravity of love

Turn around

Silence must be heard

TNT for the brain

Beyond the invisible

I love you , I'll kill you

Modern crusaders

Shadows in silence

These songs are just tight . For the more conventional listeners , Lighthouse family and Madonna would do just fine

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@ every1

I'm of the opinion it is a choice btw lyrics and rhythm regardless of the genre of music , I wonder how this turned to a hip hop debating thread.Whatever happened to R&B , New age ( ma favourite ) , ethnic , jazz , rock , metallic and a host of others.

If a music doesn't have vocals it doesn't mean it has no lyrics.Some tunes are played to suggest certain sceneries like pastoral music which suggest green fields and a calm atmosphere.

Overall I would choose lyrics to rhythm anyday, ( if it is possibble to seperate the two ) because it keeps you addicted to the music for a long time unlike rhythm which fades each time you listen to it.

Please this post is not subject to debate as it is my own view.

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sometimes,we just to dance

to dance.yes, exercise.

sometimes,to dance away our sorrow

or whatever.

Well,everyone one knows what is good when seen/heard

I listen to any type of song depending on the mood/condition

i am in at a particular point in time.

there are songs I listen to when unwinding or

I reall wanna think, Country songs,reggea songs,Soul Songs, etc

still ring a bell?

Hip Hop and the rest are always when I dont wanna

think,but to just dance.

Every song with its effect and usage as termed/recognised by individuals.

When it comes to naija,

My unwinding songs come from

Apala Singers,Asa,Juju Singers(Ebenezer Obey)

Lagabaja,Some fuji(some might be too rough)

and others.

But to just make noise and dance,

then D`banj,P-Square,Timaya and company will do that!!!

Do u know what its meant by evergreen songs?

Songs that gat good lyrics!!!

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Lyrics should be first considered

before the rhythm.

why most musicians sing junks

these days is because they dont

take their time to write good lyrics,

they just hopped into the studio

without being well prepared though

with good voices.

let ur lyrics determine you awesome rhythm

because there could be problem when ur

rhythm has to usher ur lyrics in.

first of all,find ur beat,

Country?Hiphop?Afrobeat?Juju?Fuji?R&B?

Blues?Rock&Roll?

ur beat metamorhose into rhythm/melody

U might not have a strong lyric when u want

ur rhythm to come first.

Well in music industry,we have,

Performers, D`banj, Timaya and the rest

mimers lipsyncing, well, u can count urself among

Musicians, Asa,Lagbaja,Femi Kuti,Fuji Musicians(K1,Pasuma,Osupa)

instrumentalists, Lagbaja,Ara,Asa,Agboola,Femi

where do u belong?

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U can enjoy a song i dont understand the lyrics (eg makossa) but there is no way you can enjoy a song that dont rhyme.

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Rhythm catches your attention first before lyrics

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I disagree with that.

The only reason Eminem is rated higher than Canibus is DR. DRE.

Canibus was unfortunate he never worked with a clever beatmaker and as potent his lyrics are. . . .the production was crap.

The only time he worked with Jedi(The enemy of mankind). . . .His album was critically acclaimed as the best drop in the whole of 2003.

Besides that. . . . .The lack of promotion was obvious. . . .

He got lil radio airplay, posters and commercials were rare so a lot of people didn't even know him.

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@Bamsyle

I'm not telling you to get off the fence, I just want you to agree that in this 'Lyrics Vs Rhythm' argument;

One of them is what coined the term 'hiphop'

One of 'em is the reason why we recognise hot ish

One of 'em is responsible for the careers of 8 out of people we rank top 10

One of them is the reason why Hiphop is a multi-million dollar industry

One of them is what makes hiphop music

Hell . . . one of them is the reason why music is a universal language!!!

You think Hiphop is dead?? Hiphop will be confined to the streets of Brooklyn if it were not for the rhythm.

Do you know hiphop, like grime originated from parties??

I read of how sum smart bloke just started mixing words over beats praising the DJ

Listen to my argument first bro, I said, the only reason Eminem is rated higher than Canibus is because Em's delivery is superior, c'est fini

Prove me wrong!!!

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@Bamsyle

Maannnn I love sage oooooooooo. I , crazy about the guy. The to me na more of poet sha. He did good jobs on Green Passport, and Things Fall Apart tracks with modenine,

because m flourish and i'm green,

u choose to be mean/

why can i see what u have seen/

why can i not go where my heart is beat/

white being . . .i m just a green being/

. . . .

give me more than facebook and myspace/

the green in ur eyes is making me blue/

its cruel/

trating me like a fool/

Am i strange. . .?/

Do i look like a yellow dog, ?/

Or a strange horse . . .?

An orange man perhaps/

dark soul, rough skin . .

why can u not see the rainbow within . .?

Life is not just black and white?

Let me see the grey area . . ?

IS IT because I M NIGERIAN, U CALL ME AN ALIEN?

Cant remember tha last word but i really gbadun the guy!!!

and things fall apart too

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Things fall apart like a pack of cards/

Like waterloo on napoleon Bonaparte/

Line hompidompti on a war/

. . and so on

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the things fall aprt track was fly too

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lyrics-more important than rhythm, wen u flow with the lyrics u automatically flow with rythm regardless of how it goes

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It goes both ways. I believe eldee has said most if not all of what i'd like to say. it's more or less mutual. One can't do without the other.

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its funny arguing which is more improtant rythym or lyrics, who is more important, ur mother or ur father

what do u tink differentiates a rapper from a poet, the beat, the beat holds the rythym, and helps the rapper weave his lyrics within that rythym, most times at least,

its not even a tie, they r not two options to choose from,

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I am a fan of N.E.R.D. (Pharrell Williams band)

I think the beat/rhythm is more important because it brings you into the song/lyrics

a good song is nothin without a good beat/rhythm

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@ Sauron

U's a Biz fan now?Lol!!! Always get ur facts right, It's aight.

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Both are important but sometimes, the lyrics might not make sense but with a good rythm. So i think Lyrics is more important.

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While going through your weave, i got penchant the way you sinuous but find it difficult to believe you supedal. Next time, try and heat it where it huts

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