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Modern Rap Is Judged Harshly Compared To Other Genres?

I just stormed across an article today on msn, with the rather bold claim that "hip hop is not music".

http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/music/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8456889

It was shock coupled with exasperation that made me open the page only to find out it was a hyperbolic portrayal of my very own point of view.

The writer started by by quoting Oasis' Noel Gallagher who blamed JayZ for one of the biggest rock gigs not selling out. In JayZ's response, he pointed out that other genres try to victimize hiphop. He said and I quote 'We don't play guitars, Noel, but hip-hop has put in its work like any other form of music'

Even if as Nas claims, Hiphop is Dead, does it mean it should be discriminated against? do you feel hiphop is disregarded by lovers of other genres?

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/02/showbiz/music/love-songs/index.html?iref=obinsite

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cnn article on modern R&B music

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Whatever happened to threads lik dis?

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Most people think rap music is to be blamed for the Ills of the black community.

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Lol @ all these Hip-Hop haters. Don't judge something when you only see it from afar. That's all I'm gonna say.

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The mainland African must seriously understand this; You will not see conscious rap music from the west on African TV screens. We question the mentality of the African media machine to allow these videos on to our screens. Do they actually believe that sex / gangster rap videos from the US are going to stimulate positive change in urban Africa? You see, if western reasoning is regarded as GOOD by default then the African mind can be guided in any direction by those who authorise western ethics. Urban Africa should know that there are millions of conscious Africans in the US and Europe who oppose the current form of Rap and R&B music given to the world as NORMAL by the MTV / BET / pay per view machine. We are very keen to have people from the continent of Africa be introduced to this information.

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Rap being harshly criticized compared to other music genres? Capital YES - I believe so.

Apart from those who claim rap has bad influence, I think the average critic also believes rap is not music. He/she believes music is singing accompanied by musical instruments, solfa notes, using music sheets, etc. I differ. If, as Chambers Dictionary puts it, music is "the art of expression in sound, rhythm and melody", rap qualifies as music. Infact, in my ears, it's very good music. It has sound, rhythm and melody.

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Rap indeed is GREAT. If the critics could just pay more attention to the lyrics of rappers who come under the "Poetic Group of Rappers" (talk of Tupac, Nas, Common, Mos' Def, etc.), you would know what I mean. Believe me Naija diva, I used to be like you until I listened to GREAT RAP SONGS from GREAT MINDS like Brenda's Got a Baby, Dear Mama (Tupac - too many to list), No Idea Is Original, One Mic, (and a whole lotta Nas classics), etc. (Aside that, I also love Biggie for his flows but that's for another thread). Some modern-day rappers have spoilt the game, yes but that doesn't make rap a bad style of music at all. It's the DEEPEST form of musical expression - a good rap song goes straight from the rapper's heart to the listener's soul. It touches hearts and makes you reflect about life.

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Not trying to change d point i made earlier.

But 'good'rappers happen to be very intelligent than other practioners of music.

Rap songs are more poetic,entertaining,informative,enlightening and educative when compared to other genres. And it is funny when u keep in mind that most rappers had little or no formal education.

@chiogo,

it is'nt reasonable for 50 cent and others to remain in d 'hood' after making so much 'legal' money. You have to spend ur wealth and live among d high class.and i believe they do this to spite the elitist population.

Even when biggie said,'call my crib,same numba,same hood,its all good',he was'nt living in bedstuy.

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chiogo

so they are doing something unique not so many people could do with their 9th grade education.

you need to re-read my post. I was talking about not being able to have a good educational background, yet they have "out-smarted" folks with better education.

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@ adconline, Jay-z stopped at 9th grade? Where did u get that from?

@topic, am back. Well, I don't think modern rap is being judged harshly or whatnot. There are so many fans of Soulja boy and Lil' Wayne. Aren't they modern rappers?

@Eldee, you made some comment about rappers talking about where they're from in their songs. Sorry, but that's not really true. Half of these rappers didn't experience the poo they rap about. And am talking about modern rappers, we ain't talkin 2pac or biggie here. Am talkin Dj khaled and his whole crew which he always uses in his videos. He keeps yellin 'am so hood' but truth is most of these people don't even live in the hood. They go bout buyin houses in malibu, etc and they come on tv tellin folks they're hood. Now, how are they hood? Even 50, who many people would say is hood doesn't even live in the hood!! Daag!!everyone knows that rappers tend to over-do stuff.(Ice cube even said so in a movie, I forgot d name). Most of these violence stuff u see on tv ain't even real. Yes, some of em carry guns 4 protection(T.I's case shows this), so does high school kids but they don't really go about killing people like they show on tv. Most of d time, they don't rap about their lives, it's just entertainment.

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Jayz says "Scar Face Movies did more harm to him than Scar Face music" Its mainstream media. The media would pay hundreds of hours on Anna Nicole Smith, a stripper who became famous for flaunting her sexuality. If Mr and Mrs Smith (Brad Pritt and Angelina Jolie) could brandish guns on bill boards what difference does it make if Jayz talks about guns? Right wingers will attack hip hop and embrace gun makers.

I was surprised to see the CEO of Play Boy Inc talking about big ideas on MSNBC while Hip Hop is always trashed by mainstream media. If we knew where these guys are coming to make it in life, we might have a different approach. I used to hate on Jayz or 5o cent whenever they talk about money, but on a closer look, i found out that making 1000 dollars is very difficult let alone millions, so they are doing something unique not so many people could do with their 9th grade education. The system is structured in a way to keep them from where they were born, but they broke the circle. I would also take Jayz over Hugh Hefner of PlayBoy Inc or the guy of Girls Gone Wild.

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@davidf,

the people who try to link violence and other vices solely to rap music should 'nt be ignorant.

And are OUR WHITE CELEBRITIES living by example ?

britney is already mad,she is probably high on something.

Amy winehouse despite a celebrity status looks like a lagos lunatic.

There are many more examples.and truth is white celebrites live more like perverts.

And who do u think is responsible for d real violence.

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modern rap deserves to be judged harshly. why ? u might want to ask.

i just thank GOD i was born in the 1980's , so i knew what real rap music was like. then rap music was creative, u could see the talent ,the effort and the quality in a rap song just by listening to it. back then, rappers(gangster rappers included) knew the job, they sang about REAL things. even if they sang about violence, drugs and other vices,they were always real with it.

UNLIKE THESE DAYS, where a rapper's song is only limited to d club and women. i dare to say this, modern rap u listen to this days ( lil'wayne, plies, rick ross, etc) is a total deviation from the true meanings of rap music.

i am happy we have people like lupe fiasco and guys like NaS ,scarface, and kanye still making music.

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Rap music is a revolutionary music,it appeals to those that can feel it and only the real can feel it.It is one of the highest selling music in the world right now,of every ten music sold,five or six is hip-hop,it is no longer just black music,but music of the new age,educative,if you are smart enough to get the message.

Of course,money,bitches and violence has always been the theme of the world,so what is diffrent if hip-hop speaks about them.Noel galaher,or what ever his called is crazy,he is a drug freak thug,just like so many other rock and pop stars.

And don't forget music is political and racial too,you got to make your own choice based on what appeals to you,not what they think or say.

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Rap is most def part of the hiphop culture

Infact it's the voice of the culture itself. . .

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Rap is not a culture, HipHop is.

Do I feel rap is being judge harshly - absolutely not.

Am a big fan of rap.

Talib Kweli, Common, Mos Def, The roots, Dead Prez and other artist who represent the roots, struggle and identity of hip hop get nothing.

Alot of Rappers come out with what they term " REALNESS" but whats does that really mean other than another way to catch fantasazing audiences

Talking about cars and blings, guns and weed, cocaine and LovePeddler - more like glorifying evil. The more you hear the more you are predisposed to doing it.

Many listener are ignorant, they want to live the life of the rappers - you can't get a bling on a mcdonald pay check so they rob or sell drugs. calling females bitches - strange how many black american females are starting to feel like one. Real Hiphop  - Rap - is almost dead - the big corporations are corrupting it and stabbing it in the back.

I love conscious music( rap ) - music that make sense.

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Hip hop is always being talked badly. I don't blame anyone

cos hip hop as caused many lives and damages than any other genre of music

It promotes sex, smoking, drinking and a whole lot of bad influences, although it

has it's own good side almost all hip hop video have parental advice tag.

But i will say that hip hop follows the trend and and has stolen the scene

over the last two decades. Hip hop is getting better thn ever as it's not all about hard

core rap anymore, it's now very diversified, most r n b singers want their song remixeed

in hip hop and more and more pop and rock singers too. so i say hip hop is still representing

and i'm so so into it. i love it.

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me i love rap music, though i take their messages with a pinch of salt

the songs are usually all about (ill gotten) wealth, sex, drugs, guns,bad language etc

thank God for Kanye, we are beginnning to see some sensibility in the music

i often feel rap has encouraged a lot of ills but you cant blame those who 'beef' the genre, most rap songs have negative messages you wont want your child to imbibe.

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ok, maybe i will reply appropriately to ur post without getting deleted, but on the second thought i dont think u are worth my time!

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Pastor engineerd,

Nice post ,but it should have been better if you move it to politics. no fighting.

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Rap has always being a gabage right from it's start, promoting violence, drugs, sexual materials and female degrading.

People open mouth to talk senseless in the name of rapping.

R'N'B is far better than Rap.

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simply a bunch of matured bead busters speaking their mind on rap music precicely,this sh*t kind of reminds me of AHH,

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not all rappers are the same;you'll hate some and you'll love some

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I just have this to say.

Abeg, rap is good. Rap is music. It's culture(d). I mean does anyone listen to what these rappers (usually) say? Bo, I love rap ie biggie, kanye, queen latifah(way back), even P-Diddy. The list should be much richer but I can't think of them right now.

Listen to what they talk about, even if it's just about money, they make sense haba. And they use big big grammar cos if u no no book, u can't flow oo. It just won't rhyme.

Our naija guys are tryin, I dunno if I can call Tuface a rapper but he raps good, also eldee, mode9 and Sasha. I've learnt a lot listening to rap. It helped my way of thinking. It would also help the thinking of all those playa-hating-from-the-sidelines folk. 'Nuff said.

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What I meant was, if a soulstress represents her own environment without calling names, then why was she criticising South guys for not naming their whole album 'ATLANTA'

We've had many overnight popstars in the last decade, no one says nuffin bout them. . .

The problem starts when it comes to rap

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why una dey move this thread up and down

@eldee

asa no be rapper o, rappers must always represent their hood. rap died with big n pac, 50 and kanye na pikin rappers

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how many times is this thread going to move.

if only i knew who she was.

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I believe in keeping it simple, because when one does that you get a true perspective.

At any point in time there will always be good rappers and wack ones, the same way there will always be god films and bad ones, good pop and really soul depressingly cheese pop, the fact is people pick on something they don't understand, and sadly we buy into the crap.

When a lot of rap was about fighting the power, it was pick it on because it gave people a voice.

When rappers realiased that they could make more money by rapping main stream, it was pick it on by people who were afraid that they were begining to make more money than ever before.

To say we have to turn our backs on rap about money and bling because we don't have it is just nonesense.

You don't need to have it to relate, like a good film good rap places that which you haven't seen in your lap.

Question: How many people bad mouthing rap today, said anything about the spice girls, hmm?

You don't need to know anything about the Mona Lisa to buy into the fact that it is an outstanding painting.

It is this simple, if you enjoy a form of music, it is your responsiblity to search for that which is quaility and not bad mouth the whole act form. An act form that as brought and is still bringing so many people joy.

After all anybody can sing, but there will always only going to be a few good ones, this doesn't make singing bad.

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How will you say Modern rap is about new dances?

Now tell me, TIP, Lil Wayne, Rick Ross, and others, which of 'em have brought out dances?

That's the concept of the LP, you can't judge them by their hit tracks. . .

I think they've been given a tag, which is making it hard for us to see how poetic they can be.

Are you kidding me?? They don't represent their culture??

Did Asa have to scream 'Naija' before we know what culture she represents?

Is culture no more about the way of way of life of a group of people?

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That's exactly what I find wrong about the matter

As I said before, all artistes sing about what happens in their environment

not all artistes. you can talk about your "environment", all you want but why diss someone and their environment. that's is why people start hatin on each other. so what if pop, rnb, rock are the same. atlease they don't try to talk negative about anyone or anything in general.

The bling culture didn't just start today, the problem is that 'The South' shifted our focus from 'black on black violence' to the dignified street life.

Is that not what music is about?

Is it not about self expression?

okay, lets' forget about the bling thing cuz everyone talks about it. and bling is not necessarily the issue with rap. yes music of any kind is about self expression and what not. whatever. but when you said that "The South' shifted our focus from 'black on black violence' to the dignified street life. umm, i don't think so. they still in a way talk about black on black violence but maybe not as much or not in the same way as before. southern rappers barely talk about their hometown. you might hear a little "A-town" chant/rep at the end of the song. that's cool. most of their music is nothing but about learning a new dance. who cares.i'm sure everyone is tired of doing the superman dance by soulja boy.

once the dance wears off, what next. but other styles of hip hop are music that may not go out of style. but to be realistic, i'm still going to listen to rap/hip hop regardless because i like listening to music that won't make me fall asleep.

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As I said before, all artistes sing about what happens in their environment

Why don't we attack the R'n'B guys that sing about love all the time?

What of the Pop musicians that always talk about how they want you to feel their bodies?

We don't even want to start with[b] rock[/b]. . .

The bling culture didn't just start today, the problem is that 'The South' shifted our focus from 'black on black violence' to the dignified street life.

Is that not what music is about?

Is it not about self expression?

Why should one expression be winning countless grammys while the other is termed crap?

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@ chiogo

i understand what you are trying to say cuz the whole southern movements is something that i am still getting used to because i not used to their style of music. i grew up listening to mostly rappers from new york and/or west coast. artist from the north, yes rap in a more modern way but the style/message of whatever is kinda of the same. southern rappers like literally rap about crap.

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is this the same eldee extra large of rythm fm

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i'll take from errone that has posted. truth is, Hiphop is heavily criticized, i daresay the most particular reason that being is because the artists themselves don't do their music with instruents and other organs unlike other genres. apart from that, i also think it's because the artistes don't do vocals and poo, we rapheads rhyme over beats. get that into ya thick skulls hatas!

PS: them new cats killing Hiphop slowly mayne. . .errbody don't wana think no more, theyjust wana talk about a glorified lifestyle that in the end is BS.

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Okay, maybe i didn't answer that as i wanted to:-P

On a more serious note, i think modern hiphop is the same as before . The whole idea of mc-ing is still there. You can't expect rappers to be chanting the same storylines about their boring lives. Lol. I second LD on this matter. 'It's all good.'

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I HONESTLY THINK THAT RAP HAS GOT TOO MANY UNNEEDED HATERS. Okay, humans were all created with that urge to blame someone else for their own mistakes and as such, they blame rap for all the mishaps they've encountered. Otherwise, we won't have people debating whether or not rap should be banned/disallowed.

But it's all good tho, it gives hiphop as a whole a particular hype

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I think the problem with modern rap/hip hop is that most of these new artistes are giving a different phase to the music. A phase that was not known with this kind of music in the past. You can say hip hop is violent and I'll agree with you but, it is still one of the genre of music that give hope to the poor, talk about the societal ills and how they can be corrected.

I still believe there are still a lot of 'real' hip hop artistes. The problem is just that majority of them think of the crowd they want to win, the money they want to make thereby, making them lose concentration on representing what they claim very well.

@topic

I think rap (modern or old school) has never been really judged well. Even if Hip hop is 'revived', there will always be critics.

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it is about being real. that's why they have a large audience because its about realness.

and that's what starts the beef. where i live, peole fight over the stupidest thing because they want to represent. we live in the same freaking neighborhood but i live on this street and you live up the street. what's the point. people get shot randomly just because someone knows you belong to this hood that they don't like. doesn;t make sense. why not rep about the black race as a whole in oppose who's from where.

and that is why those two are big and are known world wide. all these other rappers with silly funny names are usually one hit wonders.

i never said i relate to rock. i do like rock. i try not to limit my self to just one type of music. i listened to most american music and musics outside of america.

not all. it depends on which kind. like heavy metal rock is quite violent but punk rock and pop rock aren't that bad.

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i still like hip hop, i just don't like what they talk about about. hip hop back in the day wasn't as bad as it is now. back then, they rapped about things that you can relate to. i can't relate to someone who talks about getting with someone at a club cuz that's not what i do. i can't relate with someone who talks about bling all day, cuz i don't own expensive jewelry and neither do they, most of them rent the cars and jewelry that they rock in their videos or that they wear period. if you look at other genres of music, you will see that its relatable to normal people and that is why certain people are drawn to certain music. rap doesn;t necessarily draw a crowd who can relate but those who just feel like listening to fast pace music. i know i like fast pace music of any genre including hip hop. so if they are lacking in beats, then i ain't listening to it.

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@naija-diva

I knew sumone would say sumn like this, let's remember the fact that hiphop has been the most creative and innovative music for the last two decades.

It has brought in such a diversity that we haven't seen since Mozart.

Hiphop evolved from the golden ageof the Public Enemys and Rakims to the Nas and Pacs and now to the Kanyes and TIs

Each of those artistic ages have provided nothing less than headnodding and soulfilling pleasure

Even in Hiphop's darkest Days (Death of Pac to the Birth of Eminem), we still had the artists that laid a foundation for this generation, like Big L

R'n'B has been singing 'I love you till death' and 'you broke my heart' since the days of Luther Vandross and Lionel Richie

No one complains, hiphop has had our 'One Mic', 'Homecomming' and the modern day crunk and everyone's beefing

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Good point there. . .

But you have to admit that hiphop is about being real

Every hiphop artiste relates to the hood he represents

And think of it, is that not what happens over there?

We have Kanye West who relates to his own educated world, his mum is a prof. . .

Nas relates to a world of political rivalry, he was born in an era when blacks weren't allowed to vote

Every rapper has his influence, and that's just the way it is. . .we have to respect their ability to paint their lives with words

And you said you relate to other types of music

Please how do you relate to rock?

Believe me rock is far more violent than Hiphop. . .

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do i think rap is judged harsly? nope. because now all they talk about is the same ole thing that doesn't make sense. i used to love rap like i don't know what when they used to rap about reasonable things. now they rap about nothing, just making noise.

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