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Which Artistes Are Overrated?

I've stumbled upon more than 12 different threads on NL . . . all in respect of underrated artistes . . . mostly rappers . . .

I ain't seen many on the overrated ones.

The few I've seen are mostly indirect . . . mostly passing references to an artiste . . . or asking if an artiste is overrated or not . . . not a thread that wholly seeks to make a long list of overrated acts . . .

This thread seeks to do that.

Now, understand this - an artiste might be actually great . . . but when he/she gets a mark more than is naturally deserved, that's overrating . . .

Example, Artiste XYZ ought to get an 80% pass mark . . . he/she gets anything between 81 and 100, (s)he's being overrated . . .

This ain't about Rap artistes only. Any genre will do.

Mine's a short list . . . and they're rappers: Eminem, 50 Cent, G-Unit . . .

Got any? Post 'em.

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Aww, Ok, thanks. . .I'll check 'em out.

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You're welcome . . . all the listed songs are Pac in his introspective elements . . . I think he's at his best at such moments . . . you'll particularly love the hooks for:

Thug Passion

Heavy In The Game

Happy Home

Wanted Dead or Alive

All About You

Whatz Ya Phone Number

My Block

Ghetto Gospel

Toss It Up

To Live And Die In LA

Smile

Thugz Mansion

Fair Exchange

In The Air Tonite

Nigga Nature

Another one you'll love: Mama's Just A Little Girl.

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eminem is more popular than 2pac can ever be.

bamsyle and a-40 of all people should know that.

eminem is the saviour of the urban white kids. as long as he is white, they want his music.

the whites in america who can afford records are more than the blacks(case closed).

there's no mortal on this planet that does not know eminem(the white rapper).

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Eminem is bigger than Pac. The numbers say so,  No offence to Pac or his fans but those are just the facts.

Besides, I'm not convinced Pac is a better artist than eminem. They just do different things, and Eminem is very very good at what he does, regardless of how juvenile or "unreal" we think it is.

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I'm arguing with Bamsyle, A-40 and Sauron, I don't expect every letter I say to be taken literally, when I mention E!, every knows I'm talking about today's mass-media.

What's the point of restricting the number of people I argue with if I still have to deal with pips that are incapable of thinking outside the box??

@Bamsyle

I'll have to speed up my reply to your last post

1. Proof?? C'mon Bamsyle, sales in different countries, references in popular culture, diversity of concert audiences, and funny as it sounds even Search Engine referrals(Eminem, 50 and Hov have double Pac's Google hits) . . . even personal experiences(You don't need a degree in Music Technology to know who's hot in Nigeria, it's even easier in the UK) . . . do your homework and get back at me (we all know bout your wiki skills)

2. Aight . . . I respect that but did any of Pac's movies sell $242 mill?? And to think Pac was a better actor. This is the power of modern marketing strategies.

3. And I've proven to you that my mass media argument only applies to artistes whose careers started in this generation of music.

Dude . . . please drop these wikipedia yarns, I'm talking about popularity here not talent. Rakim influenced a majority of the 90s rappers, how popular is he??

He's the most talked about dead artiste?? LOL!!! Bamsyle . . . no offence, but you need some cultural exposure up in your life.

4. Eldee's not half the hiphop community . . . hell, Eldee's not even in the hiphop community. I'm talking about the half that said Notorious B.I.G was the better artiste.

Bout that . . . they told them to vote for the best not most popular . . . dig??

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They tend to forget about the origins and just go for what the media presents to them . . . how, for Bleep's sake do you think rappers like 50 and Lil Wayne sell that much in this era of poor albums sales?? two words Media Hype!!!

In the ideal world . . . Pac should be more popular the 50 and Em put together . . . but come on!!!

You just echoed my point . . . people that claim to know rap know Pac, but what of people that couldn't care less bout hiphop . . . that's where Jay-Z and Eminem come in.

Cutting through gender, ethnicity and social class . . . Jay-Z and Eminem did that

Tupac was in an era where he had to battle a moral panic that was constructed against hiphop, modern day rappers reaped the fruits of his labour.

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Bamsyle, Bamsyle, Bamsyle

You and these epistles . . . I'll trade anything to be in one of 'em Drop a line and get out threads

Anyways . . . I'll reply as soon as I get enough time to finish reading

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U have to consider the circumstances surrounding his death.

It was in the wake of East Coast/West Coast beef. If Jigga was killed during the Nas/Jay-Z beef?? What do you think woulda happened??

And thatz even playing it mild in comparison to the battle of the Coasts!!!

I can say this about 20 other Rappers out there.

50 cent is a global brand outside America. Eminem might nick it in America.

Google-hit count would determins who's more famous, innit??

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Saucekid. . . .is he really the "african ambassador of rap music"?

***runs out b4 the ogba boys tear my head off**

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am tired with ur wahala guy and am not ready for it anymore

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Put your brain cells to use once in a while.

2Pac's career spanned from 92 till date(with over 12 different albums)

How can you compare such a long career to 50 cent?? Album sales and Popularity does not necessarily coexist.

Eminem has sold more than 2Pac but 2Pac is more popular.

Make use of the internet more. . . . .

'The Massacre' album alone sold 2 million copies in India as at late 2005.

Then u have to add the sales of Get Rich. . .(Album and the movie soundtrack) and 'Curtis' to those figures.

Are u kidding me??

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is 50cent is more popular than tupac why cant he sell more than him?

and u shud like show us link where u saw 50 selling 8 million records in india

8 million my Bottom

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It seems you function on a single digit IQ.

Eminem has sold 80 million records worldwide so what has album sales gotta do with it??

All y'all guguru and groundnut music pundits on Nairaland should tape it shut.

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Tupac Amaru Shakur (June 16, 1971 – September 13, 1996), also known by his stage names 2Pac and Makaveli, was an American rap artist, actor, activist, and poet. He was listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the best-selling rap/hip-hop artist ever, having sold over 73 million albums worldwide[2], including over 44.5 million sales in the United States alone. [3] Most of Shakur's songs are about growing up around violence and hardship in ghettos, racism, and sometimes his feuds with fellow rappers. Tupac is known for the political, economic, and racial equality messages in a lot of his work. He has been ranked by many fans, critics, and industry insiders as the greatest rapper ever.

bamsyle i think u shud ignore replying this clown who cant even state facts in here most of them are just newbies wen its comes to rap music.

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yeah, interesting, how the opinions change as i scroll down the page. At first there were people who were giving pac love but as i went down the page i’m like damn! I mean it’s almost as if ya’ll hate the man! yall shud name four nas albums, illmatic’s the only good one there and stillmatic’s kind of ok. I love pac, I love nas, ice cube, eminem, dr. dre, public enemy, wutang, of course Run DMC, and the list goes on. But Pac is the only one an my opinion who can make me feel, or complement my feelings at any given moment perfectly. Sure you got DMX or Ice Cube’s snarling rap, you got dr dre’s solid chunky beats, eminem’s witand the skillful rhyme play of the old school pioneers; but with pac, I mean when I’m angry, he’s got hit em up or komrads, when I’m feeling proud i just put in all eyez on me, when I wanna make an entrance it’s hailmary, and so on. I mean the man, had yes simple word play, but since when did someone care about the wrapping instead of the actual present. You get what I’m saying, his rhymes were simple, but efficient, i mean it’s still rhythm and poetry. when did it become a rule that rappers should have the most da vinci-esque rhymes ever composed? I reckon the man should be well among the top 10. And for all those who are in blissful ignorance, pac was at his prime in ‘96, his death not exalt his status as an already capable rapper. He has achieved a legendary status since his death, but that is because so many more songs have also been released since his death, and they still keep coming out. As for lil wayne, the jackass can’t rap, and he isn’t even dirt on Pac’s boots, so how is he to comment on pac, and ya’ll just take that retards word for granted, nodding your heads in agreement like dumb aristocrats. Peace out boys

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Cats would know 50Cent before 2pac? Good Grief!! Please save your clowning skills the Ringling Bros are still hiring 2pac was a worldwide cult figure as far back as 1995-1996 Bleep internet there was cable tv

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I have always disagreed with ibime about his rap music tastes and now I know why, when faced with the question, "is Tupac overrated?", even

considering it is ridiculous. Listen to any of Tupac's music (particularly the music he released while alive, which is really what he should be judged on) and

you weep when faced with how terrible most rappers are today. He is nearly in a league nearly by himself.

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Ok, it appears that our transient society based upon what have you done for me lately has decide to question the noteriety associated with Tu-Pac. Saying that he was over-rated and I guess they were also attempting to imply that he was not a genius or a creative power during his time. Well lets take a look at other misunderstood white icons that society tends to look over their travesties and embellish their contributions to epic proportions. Edgar Allan Poe was an alcoholic, Albert Einstein operated in a childhood state until the age of 25! Oppenheimer was a questionable member of German loyalist? I could continue on and discuss others from earlier eras such as the bi-sexual Julius Cesar or the adulterous whoremongering Alexander the Great. No, I will not take the muck road instead I will only ask that we examine Tu-Pacs' impact on the rap genre in another 2 decades and lets see how future generations view him as overrated or do they see him as a prolific speaker of his time?

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there's a difference between pac being overrated and medias making pac overrated, will there ever be a hip hop artist who will say pac didn't play an unplaceble role in hip hop music??

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no one has brought more talent or pure musical genius to the hip hop world. no one ever ( common and R are a distant 2nd )

pac *IS* the rating system,

because of who he is, what he had to say, and the reasons he was an artist, he didnt make filler.

dont question pac, it makes you look silly as a music critic. especially a hip hop critic, you shouldn't have thought twice about this. You should have saw it in blender, laughed and walked away.

I didn't really believe Nas until now, but maybe hip hop is dead if we have true music fans questioning the truest legacy to ever live in this game.

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You are obviously deluded. . . . . how can you take your moral compass from a paranoid, loud-mouthed Arrow like 2Pac. . . . is there anything 2Pac said that made sense?. . . . . from rapping about Brenda's baby to making videos where he is Erupting champagne on Coverless strippers. . . . to initiating a thug life movement which corrupted a lot of yound heads. . . . what a contradictory buffoon. . . . he had no message. . . . what message?. . . . Kanye has a better message than Pac because Kanye showed that it is alright to be 'straight and narrow' and still be HipHop. . . . if we wanna talk about anyone with a neo-black message, we would be talking about Common, Roots, Mos Def, Talib etc, not confused buffoons like 2Pac who spit primary school raps and justify it by saying the 'meaning is deep'. . . . you are a shame to the educated classes, justifying the tomfoolery 2Pac spit on the excuse that 'it made sense'. . . . everything 2Pac spit was axiomatic wisdom, not something that made me sit back and say "whoa, thats deep!". . .

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Two words,

                        LIL WAYNE

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Bamsyle, shut the hell up. You are suffering from analysis paralysis. 2Pac is the most overrated motha that ever lived. You can take that to the bank. If not for borrowing beats from Dre & Daz, hooks from Dave Hollister, Zapp & Roger and so on, 2Pac is straight wack. His acting is better than his rapping. . . . .and he aint even a top 100 actor.

All my niggas can you heeeeeeeeeeeaaar meeeeeeee/

I think niggas is tryna kiiiiiiiill meeeeeeeeeeee/

Picture me pissed, hollow points when they driiiiiiill me/

What kind of primary school raps are these?

Bombaclaaart!

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It will be all well and groovy if everyones opinion, is treated as such, . . . . . . . an opinion, read and then move on!!

If u have something of great input to add, it even makes it all the more intresting,  . . . . .  .i will read peoples opinion, the intelligent ones,

i agree wid an add ma two cents as well!!

What good would going before any rapper do??. . . .do they feed me?? Do i work for Rolling Stone?? Or VIBE??

there are magazines, biographies, and even movies that attest to this . . . . . .  .

even more importantly the work he left behind, an it is from this people are able to critic and formulate their own views and judgements so to speak!!

This isn't Ini Edo's Wedding pictures thread. . . .where we see pics and comment!!

It is an artiste who left behind half a legacy. . . .and is still being blown way outta propotion today. . . .thats is so so wrong!!

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The first person who comes to mind, Lil' Wayne. I just don't see why he's called a "lyrical genius".

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Tupac was good in everything till his heart stopped beating. He's just the epitome of everything solid

His style today has influenced many of the rappers and I dare anyone to go and repeat the fact that he's overrated to any rapper alive and see what they say.

One man's food is another man's poison.

Everyone is Elvis these days. . . Tupac, and recently as eldee mentioned, Jay-Z. who else is our wonderful Elvis likened to?

Only on NL do I hear things like this and it's a good thing everyone has their own opinion.

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Oh gosh! Not again!

Firstly, who are those shouting M.I. is overrated? Y'all are just a bunch of haters. I think he's one of the best in Nigeria and because he's fresh, he has a lot of hype around him. You jealous people should leave M.I alone to his newly found success.

Secondly, those who are talking about Will Smith . . . in fact, I have nothing to say cos he's not even rated at all (under or over).

Lastly, who opens their mouth to say 2pac is overrated? As in what kind of cotton wool do you need to remove from your ears to hear his words? I feel like those who do not have the capacity to understand his lyrics would not know how to give him the proper respect he deserves. I am tired of arguing about this. I feel like this was settled on other threads. . . I can't shout.

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Toyosi,

Oya come inside now. Enuff of this fight, Have you completed your assignment?

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Dude you got a couple of lines on that verse wrong period! i don't do azlyrics.com its strictly ohhla.com (original hip hop lyrics archive) for me i pulled out a line that if Nas had spat you would leave Chinua Achebe and Wole Soyinka scampering for a dictionary with the superlatives you would use to describe that line which clearly shows your bias for Kanye

Now don't get me wrong i like Kanye and prefer him to Fiddy and most of the rappers out there but some of the words you have embellished on him are getting me nauseous as Bamsyle has rightly pointed out he has dumbed down and lets not forget for a rapper who has made 60-70% of his hits with samples (he was even subtly dissed to his face with it on an old Nick Cannon "Wild and out" show) its not out of place to say he's over-rated infact i won't be wrong if i called him America's answer to Olu and Tolu Maintain

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So Many Tears just might be my fav Tupac song

As much as I like Biggie and all, that's what he liked. He didnt have that many thought provoking songs and they both died at 25. Take from that what you will

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dude comparing Eminem's "dumbing down" to Kanye's new path is insulting and unnecessary.

Encore was Eminem's lowest point and that's cos it was so bloody juvenile and just plain terrible and waste of good beats. Comparing that Kanye's sheer change of direction for the moment is just malicious.

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U tripping his 808's album was the best album of 2008.

I played it repeatedly on my flight to lagos.

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Kanye is wack abeg. . . . . . . How can you even put Kanye in the category of lyrical gods in the rap industry.

Cheese n Rice. . . . . .Kanye who?? He is a beneficiary of a sound production crew and top draw marketing.

If we concentrate on his lyrical skills, i am not sure he is better than 'The Game'

Kanye ma WHITE Bottom.

His best work was 'College Dropout' with 'Jesus Walks', 'Two Words', 'Never Let Me Down(featuring Jay-Z).

'Late Registration' was a disaster. The rap album that finally convinced me that Hip Hop was dead.

It was majorly garbage. The only track worth listening to was 'Slow Down' and Diamonds(re-mix) featuring Jay-Z.

Graduation was overhyped. . . . . .I told 50 would eclipse that irritant in the long run and i have been vindicated.

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I see Bamsyle is Erupting over 2Pac again. The mans life story far overshadows his rap skills.

Kanye is also wack, no question about that.

I expect better from so-called emcees like Eldee and Bamsyle. Since when did emcees become rap journalists that they must tow the populist line, showering platitudes at every successful rapper.

When you ask most of the greats who they grew up listening to, they would tell you Kool G Rap, Rakim etc.

Anybody that grew up listening to 2Pac is a WACK rapper now. There is nothing you can learn from 2Pac lyrically. Just go and ask Master P, Lil Zane, Crazy etc who grew up listening to 2Pac. Similar thing for Kanye. I am sure the Soulja boy generation grew up listening to Kanye and the likes.

Yes, they are very good sonically, but there is nothing an up-and-coming rapper should be learning from them except how to write choruses and make beats.

Any good rapper of namadays should be looking more to Pun, Saigon, Jadakiss, Big L etc for inspiration, not Kanye or 2Pac.

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He's consistently creative and that's all that matters. Dude refuses to be caged by you people

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Let's just agree that Wayne's verse was the worst, then again it wasnt English

Bloody troll

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Awwwww. . . .i know u are a big fan of his, thats cool tho, Nahhhhh. . . .i'll never put Biggie in the same category wid Pac!!

For moi its like mixing oil an water, and it isn't done,

Awwww. . . yet anutha loyal fan, like i said thats cool too, cos I'll stand up for Jay Z as well,

I see u into violent lyrics, he didn't have to be a BLACK rapper, he had all that he needed, one word, DRE!!

And why the hiatus, wasn't it for like 4 or 5 years??

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It took him just one album to attain 2Pac's level. . . . .

That alone puts BIGGIE in the hall of fame. . . . . . . We all know how grinding a brilliant sophomore album after a brilliant debut is always tough.

Biggie achieved that with style n grace having featured on many tracks and pushing his weight around.

2 albums, 2 classics(forget sales).

Need i say more??

He is not overrated at all. He is a LEGEND.

Rappers were creaming themselves all over to have a duet with him.

His biggest error was not pre-recording his lyrics. He really didn't have a lot to leave as his legacy after his death.

2Pac triumphed with over 120 songs he pre-recorded.

Eminem is talented. He just didn't want to come out as a black rapper.

Talking about Blings, Whips, Caviar and 50 bedroom mansion woulda been his down fall.

He had to switch styles, give the audience what's never been done before and that is speaking explicitly without fear. . . .Afterall, this is AMERICA!!!

Eminem rocks!!!

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His vocoder thing is getting rather annoying especially in that track he did with Alariwo of America (DJ Khaled) he needs to re-up fast and drop some real rap right now he is pretty much on the over rated list his Chi-town Compadres Lupe is the one not getting rated high enough

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And I'm still tryna figure out since when auto-tune is used in rapping. Y'all are going to say it's because of his mother's death(may her soul rest in peace) and the whole heart break album but he used this thingy in Jeezy's "put on". So abegii, he needs to quit that crap, I'd rather listen to T-pain use it as he can't do any better. As for Kanye, I just don't get it but me no likey.

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That's why he's the UNTOUCHABLE?? He dropped a classic so he should be G.O.A.T?? C'mon

We all know the 'Rags to Riches' story only sells once, the 'Look at me now, I'm rich' maybe twice . . . and c'est fini, everyone gets bored.

Biggie would have made maybe one more good album, and then lost relevance

Hiphop fans get bored easily . . . Nas proved that

And you mentioned Dre . . . how many Top 5 lists is Dre sure of holding down??

My point is, death boosts your street cred exponentially, death during a beef astronomically, B.I.G might have gained a little from the whole thing . . . even Diddy knows

Forget the shooter, hiphop fans respect who got shot . . . I wonder what woulda happened if Nas got shot immediately after Illmatic

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Are u bleeping kidding me?? How can Biggie be overrated??

He came out in a period when Dr Dre/Snoop and Deathrow Records were shitting on the industry. The East Coast could only stand and admire.

They needed a touch bearer and Biggie delivered with the most classic rap album ever.

With his looks and appearance, you have to admit he had to work extra hard to get there. I cannot say the same about 'Pac or Kanye.

I could say that about Dr. Dre too. Biggie woulda been too successful without his demise.

Look at all his collabo. . . . . .With Michael Jackson, R.Kelly, Da Brat, 112, Faith Evans, etc.

He could flip with any soundtrack and turn it to gold. Rap music lost a prodigious talent on March 9th.

He woulda been a producer. . . . . .Get 3 other Biggie clones and make em rip SoundScan to shreds.

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@TOH

C'mon, it has to be Ready to Die

His first-person description of the Rags To Riches story is next only to Nas

Kanye is prolly the most underrated rapper of our time

I don't get ths thing about 'hiphop heads' discriminating against people that speak middle-class English

He's prolly the only rapper I'll be able to relate one-on-one with, if we met this evening

Besides, his bravery is out-of-this world . . . started the whole respectable gentleman thingy in hiphop

For once rappers didn't have to put the whole costume up to drop bars, his creativity?? damn . . . another day's topic

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Notorious B.I.G

I'm not saying he's anything less than what he is, but c'mon . . .

This dude was/is the luckiest rapper ever, one 5-star album, one other album and voila, he gets a post-humous movie, collections of artistes swapping collabos on his songs, and Diddy milking millions from his 'legacy'.

Ever imagined what would have happened if he lived long enough to release 8-10 albums like Hov and Nas??

Or have you ever imagined the level Eminem woulda been placed if we were only to judge him on his best two albums??

I'm very sure of one thing though, if he'd been alive today, he'd prolly be one of the 'legends' that only come on TV to frown about the 'state of modern hiphop'.

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Lil wayne

50 Cent

Jim Jones

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Will Smith

Mode 9

Vanilla ice.

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ruggedman he is highly overated, he shud be selling cars its seems he knows more about cars than hiphop

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olu maintain

tony tetuila

mode9

seun kuti

puff daddy (or whatever he calls himself now)

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I don't miss the show. . . . .

The top rated MC battler got to the final, didn't he??

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