are igbo's really related to jews or israelites? if so, what exactly is the connection?
Whoever is spreading this false information that all igbos are descendants of eri is a big fool.only the nris are eris.other igbos are not.orsu obodo my village is oru.the children of eri in my town are just those that perform rituals in the ancient time.i dont doubt if they are hebrews but we are not thesame with them.their home is in anambra state.
u got the wrong guy homie. . .i aint claiming no-one
if u read my previous,posts on this thread u will see that my point is that since igbos or black ppl came b4 the so called jews of today
and the original hebrews were black,then the igbos are original and come first,so perhaps the jews/hebrews are of igbo lineage and not the other way around
Does it really matter? Afterall, human beings started from one source and one place somewhere called 'rift valley' in Kenya, so they said. I am an Igboman and very very proud to be one. I know that some Igbos have a lot of attitude problems just like some other Nigerians but I also know that it is a priviledge to be an Igboman and not a right.
I AM WHAT I AM!
lol yes oooo
since they say we were Hebrews, Jews, or whatever they claim, i was only making a suggestion. tomorrow now we will be Arabs. KAI!!
many people didnt know that there were Ethiopian Jews in Ethiopia for ages until recently (i saw it on TV) does that mean that these Ethiopians are jews or what?
that is arrant nonsense!!
Igbos are Hebrew. Those who are referred to as Jews are of the family of Judah. In Anambra state, the people of Ozubulu are the descendants of Zebulun which is the Largest of the 12 tribes.
There's a family in Anambra too I believe known as the Eri which it is clearly stipulated in the old testament that only from that family should the priests be made of.
I don't want to argue this because I have my facts. When you see Nigeria's first flag, there was a Star Of David there. Most of us still don't know what it represents. The Catholic Church concentrated on the catholicization and reorientation of the Ibos more than any other group of Nigerian because they were alarmed when they found a people of more than 10 million Hebrews spread across Easter Nigeria to Cameroun.
There is nothing like Jew or Hebrew. It's invalid. And stop pulling history off wiki and your asses
Folks are so pathetic!!! First of all you have to question the validity of the Bible which you all got your ideas of Jews and Hebrews from before you arrive at your conclusion. And no Igbos are not jews, they are Igbos
1. nice concept . . .
2. try to stop using curse words . . .
Trust me it pays in the long run . . .moreover Guys are constantly watching and studying you and your countenance. . .I am a guy and i know that it would profit you in the long run to ignore having to use such words (yes its difficult i would confess but at the end of the day it pays you)
3. You know so much about history, hence why i am suprised as to why you are still choosing to celebrate thanksgiving. . . (actually it has nothing to do with the Bible) don't let the MSM deceive you into thinking it has something to do with it.
1. Be careful you are starting to sound a little religious about DNA this and DNA that . . .
2. Yes you are correct that DNA itself may not lie . . .
3. Nevertheless DNA does not talk and neither does it write . . .
4. Human beings still need to be able to read what the DNA is saying . . .
5. Hence there is still the human factor that ends up reading or ignoring unwanted DNA "information".
6. Hence even though DNA may not lie . . . . . . but those who interprete it do lie sometimes . . .
Please be careful not to put your faith in DNA test reported by Eurocentric individuals. . . one thing i have come to understand is that Europeans are serpentine and are difficult to trust cus they are continually doing things that would give them an advantage (which does not suprise me cus a significant number of them descended from Barbarians)
The recent scandal of global warming fraud showing that scientists were actively cooking up scientific data shows that even though the data itself might not lie . . . nevertheless the scientist is still a human being capable of making the data look like its saying something else . . .
After reading all the thread above, I ve come to realise " I am a Jew". I belong to the lost tribe of Israel, a direct descendant of King Solomon.
Please, can anybody supply me with the direct mobile phone number of the Israeli ambassador to Nigeria, cos I would love to migrate to Israel and be close with my ancestors.
Biko, help a desperate and persecuted Jew for the sake of humanity.
Please note what you know as Europeans today descend from Migrations that have been postulated to have begun about 40,000 + years ago into Europe. The people that went there were Homo sapien much like the people that lived in Africa in the same time frame. THe Europeans had religions, culture and a fairly organized loose structure of civility much like any group of people any where on the planet.
The Hebrew language does not show origins within the interior of Africa or show any affiliations with West African languages, therefore its origins has be placed somewhere between the levant, Mesopotamia, Arabia and East Africa.
As far as features are concerned, all groups that exist around the world today did not look exactly how they did today 40, 000 years ago including the Africans. Isolation in the north brought forth the modern looking European type. To say Modern looking European types were not around or didnot have some sort of culture during ancient egyptian civilizations or Hebrew types is inaccurate. They were there, they were just more isolated and less civilized than their contemporaries
To further insinuate that Europeans cannot be jewish or jews is even more popoustrous knowing that a middle eastern Y male haplogroup J exists in most Ashkenazi Jews and is absent from Scandanavian and Germanic tribes. This haplogroup originates in the levant and exclusive to Middle easterners and north Africans in general.
Igbos are not biological descendants of Middle eastern/North African Hebrews. This does not take away the fact that some Hebrew populations may have been Black/Dark Skinned Africans.
Europe is thought to have been colonized by northwest bound migrants from Central Asia and the Middle East. The expansion is thought to have begun 45,000 years ago and may have taken up to 15,000 years for Europe to be fully colonized. During this time the Neanderthals were slowly being displaced. Because it took so long for Europe to be overrun, it appears that humans and Neanderthals may have been constantly competing for territory. The Neanderthals were larger and had a more robust or heavy built frame which may suggest that they were physically stronger than modern Homo sapiens. Having lived in Europe for 200,000 years they would have been better adapted to the cold weather. The anatomically modern humans known as the Cro-Magnons, however, with superior technology and language would eventually completely displace the Neanderthals, whose last refuge was in the Iberian peninsula. After about 30,000 years ago the fossil record of the Neanderthals ends, indicating that they had become extinct. The last known population lived around a cave system on the remote south-facing coast of Gibraltar from 30,000 to 24,000 years ago.
It is a known fact (at least by educated people), that the mafia was (is) a happy marriage between the Jews and Italians (Sicilians). The Jews bring the wits (pure intelligence), the Sicilians bring the guts (pure taste for blood). The Igbo share about 99% socio-cultural similarity with the Jews (if you really study it, not just be driven by emotions). That similarity comes with consequences, eg. the Igbos and Jews hardly agree among themselves. There is a saying that for every two Jews, there are three Synagogues,and for every Jew, there are two Synagogues. There are many many other similarities. I personally think that the Jews are Igbos, not the other way round.
my friend if u dont know anything about human history then dont start talking
the first modern europeans appeared as romans and greeks around 400bc
thats only 2,400yrs ago,there might have been neanderthals and some homosapiens in europe,but they were cave dwellers and had no organized structure
no govt,no religion nothing,go read the history of rome and greece and then come back
b4 then u had africa,egypt(part of africa),and then the hebrews showed up some 6000 yrs ago around 4,000bc
so u have africans------->egyptians-------->hebrew israelites---------->asians----------------->then europeans
now u claim the white man that came last is hebrew,meanwhile the african and egyptian whom the hebrew are a part of and got most of the culture from has no link with the hebrew
I have no business arguing about the authenticity of The hebrews in Israel today, however if you are asking my opinion or studies of them I will point to the fact that they are a make up of a large chunk of[b] Europeans of middle eastern descent(ashkenazi)[/b], Jewish and Hebrew descendants that have inhabited the Palestinian and levant areas for milennia and never left there(mizrahi), other jewish groups that migrated into North Africa that retained strong hebrew and Jewish ties and lastly converts to the Jewish faith.
Again I don't know how this children of eri can believe or practice traditions (apart from circumcision) that did not exist for them in written form and was introduced only when christianity penetrated eastern Nigeria. Most of the igbos traditions are oral and open to imagination and conjectures much like their gods and history.
I bring up genetic middle eastern markers and East AFrican markers to attest to studies of some sort of gene inheritance from the regions Hebrews are thought to be from and Jewish populations around the world. There is still no known evidence of this.for Igbos.
As far as cultural infusion. There is a possibility because culture in of itself is dynamic. If you say igbos adopted Jewish or hebrew traditions from one traveling ancestorwho immigrated back to Igbo land I could conceed that point however if you say it is inherited biologically as in common ancestoral descent. I see no evidence of that. The descent would be of a cultural and not a biological one.
i would like to know if you believe that those germans that now inhabit israel were actually the hebrews?
if you noticed,i wrote about my people and not all igbos because of how complex igbo as a group is.some igbos especially the eris believe that they are children of eri in the bible.they were the ones that influenced other igbos with jewish culture.my own kindred trace our roots to oru which is either extinct or swallowed up by igbo and ijaw.we are not jews.
many people found in present day nigeria were either related to jews or egyptians.for the igbos where i come from they are not jews but refer to themselves as umuoru meaning children of ''oru'' .again we say ''oru'' and ''igbo'' are brothers.different people make up the village some are aros,idus,orus,umunri,igara,abam and more.of all these groups,it is the nris or eris who believe they came from israel and were descendants of garth.from my own view they might actually be from israel.the eris might not be up to 5% of igbos but they are widespread and perform the traditional rituals.
The second point of Europeans being non existent is false. Jewish history is 5-10, 000 years old. the repopulation of Europe is 40,000 years old.
On the third point. There is no genetic evidence of gene flow from what we know as the levant area to any parts of West Africa including the Igobs. The only traces are found in tribes who range across north Africa as several Jewish sephardic populations wondered these parts. Middle easterners are the closed genetic reference to populations that existed in those areas going way back.
Sinmilarities in culture to not denote any relationship necessarily with one another.
There are similare vocal performances and dances that are practiced by people who inhabit the sahel region in Africa to some indian religious dances and song format. Does not mean they are any how related culturally, religiously or genetically for that matter.
This matter on Igbo Jews holds no merit what so ever.
And to add to that anyone that believes in the story of Shem , ham or Japhet repopulating the earth should not cross this data with science. They are incompatible.
you took the words right out of my mouth,the only thing i have to add is that the word JEW is an european construct
the ancient dark skinned nomads that wrote the old testament referred to themselves as hebrews,not jews
the term jew comes from the word JEWELRY,these were people in europe who were good in being GOLDSMITHS and so on
thats why a lot of jews are named,goldstein and so on
EUROPEAN JEWS u see in israel today are NOT,i repeat NOT the ones that wrote the old testament back then,these people were dark and by the way back then europeans were either cave dwelling or non existent
one last thing,the Question should be ARE igbos descended from the ANCIENT HEBREWS?
and there are enuff similarities in both cultures to say that some hebrews probably wandered and settled in present day eastern nigeria and mixed up with the people there to become igbos
Bamboozele me? Ol boy I hope say your head correct sha?
people have cracked very difficult topics on this forum without any noise as per IQ or whatever.
You came in here and sounded a warning on the minimum IQ required to participate here and assumed you meet the cut-off mark you set.
If in the remotest sense your postulations are correct, that does not really reflect IQ, it most likely will mean you have better access to historical records. Dont come here harassing people about IQ.
In line with what you said on OZUBULUS being the largest jewish group in the world now , I will humbly ask
1. What is the source of this your proncouncements?
2. What is the population of the ozubulus?
3. Are the ozubulus igbos? If No then where are the generality of igbos from? If yes why did you not categorically state that all Igbos are jews.?
4. which part of Nigeria do the "eris" reside in?
I will stop here for now in this my quest to increase my IQ geometrically by your "grace".
I really meant it. Look at it this way: If Ken Nnamani took bribes from Obasanjo and supported the third term bid, do you think he could not have rallied other senators in support? He could have accepted huge Ghana -Must-Gos and shared them among the senators and third term would have happened. He didn't and not only that, he gave the most insightful leadership speech I've ever heard to scuttle the third term bid. How can we forget so quickly? I think he would have succeeded in buying over the other senators, and I think he would still be the senate president today. He sacrificed his political future for integrity. Yes, he stopped Obasanjo! For that by the way, he lost out and Igbos lost out too! And I'm proud of him!
He is Ezigbo nwa!
This discussion is not for idiots. Please those of you who know that you IQ is double digit or less, just stay off.
Let me begin by saying that humanity originated in Africa and as Africans. Shem, Ham and Japheth were all Africans so I really don't know how Ham or Canaan could have been cursed to become African all over again. Please for those of you who have only heard rumours about the curse placed on Ham and his descendants, please, read the entire Genesis Chapter 9 and be rid of your ignorance.
The people who claim to be Jews today, are actually Germans who adopted Judaism in the 17th century and later grew to become the largest group of people who adopted Judaism in Europe so after Hitler they became entitled to Palestine.
Compile a list of about 100 surnames of Jews in Israel today and check for the origin of most of those names, you will find they are German.
The largest tribe of Jews as reported in the Bible are now claimed by these European impostors as "lost tribes of Israel" yet they are there; the Ozubulu.
Someone said the Jews are like the Fulani, nomadic, always moving from place to place. I ask : what Jews? What Fulani? There are several Jews but the Shephardic Jews roam around with animals, just like the nomadic Fulani trek their cattle. There are other Fulani groups who don't even know the first thing about cattle.
Anyway, it was written, my people perish for lack of knowledge.
Jews are originally from Africa and the largest group of jews in the world are a group in Nigeria called the Ozubulu. The most respected group of Jews in the world which is the only set of Jews which must produce Priests is the Eri which also are located in Nigeria.
I can now see the main purpose of your thread. Sad for you!
I don't know about "blacks being cursed" but I know about Igbos and I know we are NOT CURSED!
Far from it!
How can a tribe that produced the likes of Philip Emeagwali (Africa's greatest computer genuis), Chike Obi ( Africa's greatest mathematician), Chinua Achebe (who wrote the most popular African prose), Chimamanda Adichie (an emerging literature genuis), Chukwuma Soludo (an economics wizard), Ngozi Okonjo Iweala (world bank MD), Kenechukwu Nnamani (the man who single handedly stopped Obasanjo's third term bid), Emeka Odumegwu Ojukwu (the young man who saw the future and created a nation) and many more like them, be cursed? These are people whose actions helped shape the history of the black race and the world; whose actions are still influencing the history of the world in science, literature, finance, economics and management and politics.
Igbo could easily be the most blessed tribe in Africa!
So, next time you want to count cursed black people, please count Igbos out! Thank you!
first of all, you have to realize that ancient egyptians lived over 3000 yrs ago, almost a millenium before christ. They diluted and mixed up so their original race is lost, that tanned brown that they had is no longer found anywhere. How can you connect them to igbos,they have nothing to do with igbos honestly! igbos belong to the niger-congo racial group, the ancient egyptians were afro-asiatic with strong semitic presence in their gene pool. so as you can see they are two distinct groups of people!! and dont even have cultural ties with each other!!
Let me ask you this, if blacks are not cursed and if the curse "you shall be the servants of servants" doesnt apply to blacks then why have blacks been enslaved by persians,arabs and europeans? the persians and arabs enslaved east africans, the europeans enslaved west africans!! why is africa so poor and why are their leaders so evil if not a curse upon the fact that there are many resources capable of making africa rich,the people have not been blessed with adequate intellect to help themselves hence the exploitation over and over again. you answer this. blacks are a cursed people whether you believe it or not, their condition speaks for itself. or prove me otherwise!
Since you live in America try going to a Jew tomorrow and telling him you're a Jew yourself. Watch him laugh in your face. Living in a civilized world like America many people expect you to return and educate those you left behind about the stupidity of the above. Its inferiority complex that made Ibo's think they are what they are not. The Igbos are just one of many African tribes. The link to Jews is only through Christianity and nothing more.