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Are Nigerians Generally Unpatriotic?

In America, it is very common to see national flags in front of homes and on cars. The National Anthem means so mcuh to the people of America. Can we say the same of Nigeria?

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That is exactly where the problem is.

If we keep talking about government without examine ourselves as individuals, we are just chasing shadows. This is because those who get into government are chosen from among us and if we are bad those we chose will be bad.

I have seen a lot of so-called young, new generation politicians and all they do is to help themselves to public funds because it is what society expects them to do. Society needs to change attitudes and then we can demand that those who lead us have the right attitude as well.

The patriotism thing is not something that can be measured so it's best not to look in terms of patriotism but in terms of action and attitudes

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I agree. What I mean is I would rather see people who have actually DONE SOMETHING come in to tell me of how patriotic they have been by their actions and the visible changes results. Not continue to have people try to tell me how everyone else is unpatriotic for speaking out against the problems in the country, yet they have nothing to show of why they feel they are suddenly judge of what or who is to be deemed patriotic and who does not qualify.

A problem in Nigeria is that the situation is so bad that small changes rarely yield much because of the way the system continues to exist. You go in to donate money or fix a road today; tomorrow it is bad the way it was before the fix, why? Because the system, and the people work against those who work to change things in that country. You go in to donate computers to school today, tomorrow they are gone. Are you being patriotic then, when you know the machines will be gone with the wind by the next day, but choose to continue donating computers instead of instead changing plans to tackle the main problem which is security? Are you more patriotic if you choose to continue rebuilding roads that each year, come rainy season, will be reduced to portholes and death traps due to lack of good drainage systems? There is patriotism and there is stupidity ooo…

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@Kobo ditto, just a shame people will try to add unecessary complexities to the problem of crime and punishment. However, i don't feel patriotism is what comes after action, i believe if patriotism was really there it is what might be what is necessary in such a country to drive people to act in the first place. If patriotism really was there then won't these actions spoken off about people acting in the best interest of the country and upholding a system that condones corruption and indiscipline have being forced and demanded for? I don't see this patriotism in the first place in the wider Nigeria before we even begin talking about it coming before or after actions.

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Why don’t we at least try it before we condemn it? Why don’t we cause them to vanish first, and then if more looters show up, we take the next step to tackle that problem as well.

Nigerians are the way they are today simply because we have for a long time now had to live in an almost lawless environment. I am certain you would agree that the attitude of the people today can not be compared with the attitude back during Buhari/idiagbon regime. This is simply because of the difference in the government and the way the country was being run back then compared to the way it is today. The people are mainly the problem because we have adopted this “sit back and accept anything” attitude and that has opened the door to what we have today in government. The only way we can deal with it is if we get up and deal with the problem. To assume that the only way to solve issues is for everyone to suddenly become patriotic is, in my opinion, a wrong way to approach the problem. We will always be divided on issues but until we all accept to deal with the one major problem as a people, we will always have division and bad government to continue to fuel that division.

Nigerians encouraging or coercing their friends to loot is no concern of ours. It is ok to encourage someone to loot but the minute that person breaks the law, that is all we need to know of to punish the person. A mother can choose to raise his/her kid to believe crime is good. That is no problem to society. However, the very minute that child does commit crime, it is societies duty to ensure that that child is punished to the full extent of the law. And Society in this case is the government. People who feel it is their place to loot will ALWAYS exist. But in a society where the law is upheld, these individuals will definitely pay for their crime. This is not the case in Nigeria and so crime continues to flourish as we see.

We have fraudsters because we have a system that does not punish them accordingly. You put a system in that rightly sends criminals where they belong and you will definitely see a remarkable change in the people of Nigeria and their beliefs.

Notice I am not in anyway saying you are wrong, but singing the same old “ NIGERIANS WHO COMPLAIN ARE UNPATRIOTIC” song is not going to lead anywhere, for we have yet to see those who claim to be the patriotic bunch jump to change things. So all the mouth service we continue to see on here by many apparently is not producing change. Patriotism is not the solution, action is, Patriotism comes after that.

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@skyblue, no problems. I'll try and make myself clearer in future

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My point all along, in plain English, has been that the problem with Nigeria is not just a small group of people but vast numbers of people called Nigerians. The so-called government is people by Nigerians. If the present crop of leaders were all to vanish from the surface of the earth, Nigeria will still not change in the main. We'll just get a different set of looters becoming what you call, GOVERNMENT.

Problem is with Nigerians; Nigerians make up the Nigerian government. It is Nigerians who hail those who have corruptly enriched themselves. It is Nigerians who encourage (and sometimes coerce) their friends and relatives to loot when they have attained a public office. To put blame on successive government is to deny the truth that we have an inherent problem with our psyche.

Why do we have Nigerians hailing frausters? Why do Nigerian masses always defend known fraudsters? How many youngsters in Nigeria now see 419 as a legitimate business?

Have we made any sacrifices with regards to ensuring that we have the right people occupying political office?

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Sorry if i misunderstood where you were coming from, don't take this as an attack but the parts in bold are what led me to draw those conclusions, perhaps some error?

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Let's not get anything twisted.

You said I concluded that Nigerians are patriotic - I did not.

Now you claim you are trying to postulate that I inferred that patriotic Nigerians are in the majority - I did not make any such postulation

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Now this is what i don't get, if according to your postulation those who hold the interest of their ethnic groups way above the interest of the country are in the minority then you are saying "patriotic Nigerians" are in the majority, right? So what sort of patriotism do Nigerians practise that only goes as far as speaking without any genuine or substantial actions or culture of such being displayed? If you agree that genuine patriotism leads one to act patriotic then shouldn't Nigeria be in a different situation as opposed to the precipice it seems to continually face? Just read today about the rumours of an alleged coup that is flying around everywhere. So this patriotism, when is it going to start bearing fruit as opposed to the so called "patriots" being hearers but not doers?

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If you truly believe what you have posted above, then why do you blame the situation with the less fortunate on the economy, and not the actions of the looters in the country? I mean a normal situation, would mean the gap is not as wide but since you state above that an abnormal state exists, and you follow it with the word “looters”, that there should point you to the fact that the economy itself is not to blame but the fact that we have “Looters” in the loop. And these looters happen to exist because of the state of government in the country. Remove the looters and the economy is highly likely to fall to normal state. How do you remove the looters? Deal with the factor that continues to allow their existence in the loop. And what factor will that be? Government.

Corruption exists at all levels because we continue to exist in a next to lawless society. If a nation is built on lawlessness, patriotic citizens are those who continue to exploit that situation. You change the rules, and then we talk of patriotism, else, it is all mouth service that makes no sense at the end of the day.

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One of the main indices for measure the shape of an economy is the condition of the nationals and the average income per head. If you tell me that the Nigerian economy is in good shape, it means we should not complain.

The Nigerian economy is actually in an abnormal state where there is a wide gulf between the looters and the unfortunate.

The last part in bold is the part I absolutely agree with

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ha ha. We are looking at different aspects of this. Tribalists have personal problems and they need to be counselled. . . that's my opinion

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Actually, the Nigerian economy has been recorded to be in good shape for over a decade now. Only that the good never seems to trickle down to the man on the street. I am not certain it has anything to do with the state of the economy but the state of government in that country. With the high cost of oil, we are supposed to be reaping benefits but to this day, because of problems with government, the increase is still not visible. I am sorry but we have been evading this problem for as long as I have been a Nigerian. We need to deal with the problem of government once and for all. Despite tribal differences, that is the only way to a solution for all.

Going around saying " I AM A PATRIOTIC NIGERIANS" is not, I repeat, is not going to solve our problem. Not until we start acting in the right way, are we going to see visible changes.

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I don't get that statement. I hope you aren't equating this special "love" that Nigerians seem to have for the country outside Nigeria which surprisingly, internally does not seem to be able to move past ethnic or tribal affiliations to patriotism. So those who keep on reducing everything to tribalism as has been seen so many times but go outside nigeria and shout "up naija" and show their "national pride", are they patriotic because they practise such outside the country where no one will know the difference between an igbo, yoruba or Nigerian man? Where we all have to be Nigerians? Is that the kind of patriotism you speak of as something worthy of note?

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Of this, I am sure. I have been in this world long enough to know. I know what Nigeria was like when I was younger in the Gowon days etc

Are you saying that Nigeria has/is changing for good at the moment? Are you saying if I go to the ministry of works right now, I wont have to grease palms to do legitimate things?

Is that man in the office and his colleagues/bosses not Nigerians? Are they making sacrifices to help the nation by being that way?

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What makes you think that we are not making changes? I mean are we somehow supposed to continue turning a blind eye to crux of the problem in that country for how much longer? How can you expect change when you we do not rally to deal with the MAIN problem? How can success be attained if we somehow feel the way to solve the problem is continue to brush it under the carpet without realizing that the best and  only solution, is the one we have yet to try, which is facing the problem head on and finding a lasting solution for the good of all?

But more than likely the man who is in office demanding bribes before fetching files is only able to do that because he sees that those over him do it and allow it. Can you seriously tell me you can walk into a police office somewhere in America and be asked to pay “bribe” before the clerk gets a file for you? I mean how long do you think that clerk will last as a clerk at that police office after such?

All well and good but until we stand up and deal with the real problems, we are all preaching to the choir here.  If you really want to be patriotic, start dealing with the government. If you do not, you are as unpatriotic as the next man or accept that all are patriots no matter what.

It makes no use trying to re-define patriotism because you have issues with people complaining about government in Nigeria. Government is the problem and until one of you actually steps up to deal directly with the problem, no amount of mouth service is going to make anyone a patriot.

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@skyblue, I agree with you.

We are either engaged in corruption or always celebrating corrupt people and we blame everyone else for our problems.

Nigerians are patriotic but it's not moving the nation forward because they are not doing the right things to move Nigeria forward

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The Government is made up of Nigerians and you have just said that Nigerians are hardworking - make your own deductions.

Almost every new politician that has come into the fore has been corrupt. Does that not tell you something about us? Let's look at yourselves before pointing

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@kobojunkie, I am disappointed in you for that response. Which Nigerians is willing to make tangible and meaningful; sacrifices to see things move forward? Going through hardships as a result of the state of the economy is NO SACRIFICE. That's a situation which they cant do anything about. We need to move beyond that point and start to make changes to our ways which make us the way we are.

Can you tell me the man in an office demanding bribes before fetching files is making any contribution to the growth of the Nation? Now, you tell me how many Nigerians are willing to do what they should do honestly without seeking gratification.

Enduring hardship and making sacrifices are not the same

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that's blind patriotism , let's not get sensational here.

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So you mean I should start constructing good roads for myself, producing portable water and generate electricity for people?

Government should simply wake up to their responsibilities. Nigerians are hardworking people and I still don't know what you people means by saying we should contribute to Nigeria. People are working hard already but those at the corridors of powers continue to embezzle and loot treasury .Let the government utilise our money to provides social infrastructures. Environment determine how best you can put in to your country.

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What contributions have these unpatriotic Nigerians made? Answer: None

You can't expect Nigeria to be like America when all we do is nothing. Every one has a part to play in Nigeria's development.

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Should Indians be patriotic when they produce more graduates than the whole of Africa and yet one of the poorest nation in the world?

Should any Chinese be patriotic when they cannot harness the millions of graduates each year?

My point is Indians and Chinese are some of the most patriotic people on earth, they never gave up on their country. See how the dividends are paying now in China.

Don't give up on your country for Rome was not built in a day. Their are dynamics that makes us poorer than Malaysia even though we got independence the same year.

Don't always ask what Nigeria can do for you, sometimes ask yourself what you can do for Nigeria.

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The irony is that usually the ones who are unpatriotic are the ones who've been out of the country for like a year or less.

First to defend other countries when it comes to theirs they are also the first to run their mouths yarning dust

It's amusing really. hilariously sad.

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So, the hardship Nigerians currently endure today, in the millions, is what?? If enduring hardship is all it takes to be patriotic, then I say all Nigerians, especially the over 100 million, living today in Nigeria are patriotic Nigerias and deserve a medal each for their hardwork.

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Think about any great country and find out if their forefathers never had to endure hardness before briniging them to their greatness. The problem is that NONE of us is willing to endure hardship in order for the country to get ahead. no one is willing to sacrifice to see the country move forward.

I dont get it. . . No one wants to sacrifice but everyone wants to enjoy. No one wants to sow any seed but everyone wants to reap plentifully: no wonder we are mostly very corrupt and fraudulent

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I believe patriotism comes with a price. The country must have paid a price to demand that her citizens be patriotic to her. Tell me how I will be patriotic to a country whose government is not alive to its social responsibilities. How will I be patriotic to a country that has continually watched its economic situation move from one level of decadence to another. How will I be proud to associate myself with a Flag that now stands as the global symbol for corruption and 419 e-mail scams. Please, in all honesty, patriotism is the last thing the government should be asking of its citizens at this time. Maybe when we stop practicing gluttony as a system of government and start practicing democracy, I will consider being patriotic.

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yes , we nigerians are "generally" unpatriotic, nobody wants to die for the nation or the president, watch airforce 1 and see what I mean, imagine an igbo man jumping to block a bullet from hiting yardua, lol

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I want you to know that by merely working or doing bussiness in Nigeria we are already contributing to the nation. I don't think you expect me to have billions of naira in my pocket so I can build roads all in the name that I am contributing to the developments of Nigeria, those are the basic functions of government. The functions of govenment are to provide basic amenities and protection to their citizens. Let them perform their own roles and that will enable us to perform our own roles. There is enough money to build this country but they siphon it to the pockets.

Even by merely working or doing bussiness in this country simply means we are putting in our best as citizens. I don't know what you want from people before you can know they are contributing, you want them to cut their heads?

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That's a good point, how can you be patriotic to a country that can not serve you better. You want to be patriotic because they are carrying public fund in their pockets.

I barely see electric light in my house and you want me to remember one useless green-white-green flag

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It is not a sin to be patriotic neither does it take anything away from anyone to be patriotic. Each to their own.

However, those who are saying that Nigeria does not protect them and that Nigeria does not have electricity whereas America has such etc etc need to think well. Who makes things happen in America? Who ensures that merican citizens around the world are well protected and regarded?

When we start realising that we are contributing to our own problems in various ways, we'll stop pointing at expectations from everyone else. What exactly have we contributed to the entity called Nigeria that we expect so much from? Americans generally love their country and try to do things not to damage their Nation. Same cannot be said of the generality of the Nigerian population yet we are expecting the same Nation to give us everything and to provide manna for us.

If you dont love Nigeria, it's your prerogative but for you to start condemning Nigeria for not providing for you when you have contributed nothing to the nation is tantamount to expecting manna from heaven.

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I'll even wear Nigerian boxers once the come in the desig.

I love Nigeria..

If you've grown up in Nigeria without being fiercly patriotic you must have your head examined- I swear.

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I hope this thread isn't reducing patriotism to flagwaving.

There are all manner of indices for measuring patriotism

and I am sure Nigerians will do well in some of these.

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@Poster, the Americans have so many reasons to fly their flag and proudly too. What reasons do Nigerians have to fly theirs? And no “phantom reasons” are not reasons. Just because a person’s believes that some time in the distant future, a miracle will happen and all Nigeria will become like Eden is not reason enough to fly a flag. There is more to flying a flag in America than just hanging cloth on a pole outside of your house, car etc. If you have ever bothered to speak to some of those that fly the American flag, you will learn they have stories to tell you of why they believe it is a country with a flag that is worth flying. Can you say same of Nigeria? Flying a flag does not make anyone patriotic, it could make you seem but does not make you.

Patriotism is not about just being able to fly a flag or claim you are from Nigeria, hence Nigeria is a great country. NO, that is just nothing but mouth service and last I checked, that has nada to do with being patriotic. Come on, you have to at least have something more than just words to show for your claim of being more patriotic than the next man.

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Am sure the flag is the least of our problems. We are a hungry nation, and we are angry!

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Why do you want Nigeria to follow another's customs when it comes to being patriotic? Why can't we come up with our own ways? Why must we be like the US and hang flags on our houses and put bumper stickers on our car? Aren't there alternatives?

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nuzo God will continue to bless you. That useless flag will be the last thing l will hang in front of my house. Times without number, I have been insulted in the airport simply for presenting that useless Nigeria passport.

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The last patriotic Nigerian died in the civil war, his name - Mr Common Man

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Patriotic my arrssss. Have you asked if your rubbish country nigeria can serve it's citizens well as USA does which drives US citizens to their patriotism? You think US citizens just woke up one day and start being patriotic without reasons? Do they operate QUOTA SYSTEM in USA? Some of you don't think at all.

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please refrain from kicking the sleeping giant

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On the other hand, most Igbos, a few N/Deltans and maybe a few Yorubas still feel that they are not Nigerians.

Take the case of the Bakassi indegines; i wonder how patriotic you will want those guys to be after being betrayed by their beloved country for selfish purposes.

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