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Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil?

Recently,the Governor of the 19 States in Northern Nigeria issued a statement via the Niger State Governor Dr. Babangida Alihu,saying they dont need Niger Delta oil to survive.How true is this statement?Put more succinctly,can the North(as it is now)live without the Petro-dollar from the Niger Delta oil?Let's get ur objective views on this? plz make constructive critism.

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Suprise surpise, I return to read more diversionary tactics. Go ahead to ignore the fundamental flaws in your weak argument and make the issue about MEND. I am not in the least disappointed, your ethnic chauvinism is as predictable as becomerich's maps and what is worse is your attempt to veil it in cheap and patronising pontifications.

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You only know about cocoa and groundnuts because of tribalism. What about rubber and palm oil?

Do you even realise that Nigeria owes its existence to palm oil? Go find out about the Royal Niger Company, its place in the British Empire and what it traded.

Check articles on Nigeria's history such as this one; 4 references to palm oil and 10 to petroleum and ZERO to cocoa or groundnuts - http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID=plt

Stop manufacturing history out of tribalism. Your counter arguments to "cocoa derivation formula" hold no water. defeated.

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Emphasis was made on cocoa and groundnut as they were the MAJOR exporting commodities and oil palm may not have been regarded as such.Even in todays world,virtually all agricultural produces are still being exported including other non-oil commodities but the impression the government keep giving us is that we are over-depending on oil simply because oil is being traded as the majority commodity.this is not about tribalism at all

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I don't want to detract from the expected whopping you are getting, but you really should attempt to answer that question. You also need to consider other questions like, was there an oil palm trade in the ND, and was it more or as important as cocoa? Cos it looks like history is being manufactured in your replies. . . But its the usual tribalist tinted lenses.

When oil was discovered more than 50 years ago, were you in existence? If not, why do you think you are competent to discuss it by your own warped excuse?

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I don't have anything against the niger delta region but i do have a problem with people that capitalize on a flawed system to rip off the common man in the region.The resource control agitation was given a higher tone by the likes of Victor when he was governor using his influence as chairman of the governors' forum to champion the cause until the present 13% was agreed upon.fine nd better,he went through a good process and he achieved something purposeful.why would MEND kidnapped people and release them after collecting ransome,vandalise oil pipeline and steal crude oil only to claim that it was seeking government intervention by doing so and at the end of the day,they all become rich men while the problems they were agitating against keep piling.

We must be sincere to ourselves if we want the issue of niger delta to be solved and frank opinions may look tribalistic at times.

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And once again your award winning ethnic chauvinism rears its ugly head (as usual it did not take much to bring it out). You immediately assume anyone who does not support the current system is from the Niger Delta. Which region of Nigeria does not have its problems? So why on earth does it become a case of using government corruption (found in every corner of Nigeria) as a justification for stifling the right of people living in a region to fully keep and benefit from the oil taken from their land and decide if they want the oil drilled or not while paying taxes to the federal government (like is done in developed countries)? Why ask them to better behave themselves till you deem it fit to consider raising their 'allowance' which is shared out every month? You don't see such as patronising? Was there any such thing as Cocoa derivation fund? Was Cocoa money shared out for free? If you cannot get the gross insensitivity and insult in your ststement then I cannot help you, keep living in your own world and wonder why people fight against a system that would ignore their voices because they are a minority and then express shock and disdain when you hear they would consider outing from such a union.

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Ok, I genuinely apologise if I offended you, but a lot of your posts (99% of which I ignore) tend to irritate me because you seem to have a myopic and insensitive view that does not accomodate the struggle of other groups in a country you so proudly proclaim (it is a trait that seems to run through most - if not all - of your posts that I actually read). I am not a supporter of MEND and in your quick quest to reply me you failed to see that I was not asking you what they stand for in a metaphorical sense, but what the abbreviation M.E.N.D literally stands for and hence why your question could appear silly in light of that fact. Yes before oil Nigeria earned some of her wealth by trading in commodities with other countries, but how many states were there and I have to repeat, was there any such thing as Cocoa derivation fund? Where are the structures that Cocoa and groundnut money built in other regions that did not have it? Weren't other regions of the country also trading in their own commodities? Were people who did not produce Cocoa handed out Cocoa money for free? Did we have Cocoa and groundnut spills that destroyed livelihoods, farmlands, and affect people's health? So do you see why I lambast such a weak parallel?

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you are looking for cocoa derivation fund ? Lwkmd

see you know about trade,maybe you should find out what and how nigeria was earning her foreign wealth before oil was discovered and the commodities that were traded.fyi,MEND stand for nothing than oil bunkering and militancy.

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Youth searching for alms is part of Islamic culture in Africa. Go amongst the Mandinka, Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri etc, you will find their youth searching for alms, because they go to these Islamic schools where they are expected to live off of charity.

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Well, we are on the same page, I believe.

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I believe the fight has always been for good governance that would better represent the people but I wouldn't argue with your postulation either.

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Do you understand how silly and childish that question sounds? Why not recite to yourself what the abbreviation MEND stands for and it might help. You think even up to half of the bunkering that goes on in the Niger Delta is done by hooligans? It is not every thread you need to comment on just for the sake of it. The flaw in your logic has been called out and as usual you try to change topic. Was there any such thing like cocoa derivation fund? Why do you make it sound as if other regions of Nigeria got Cocoa or Cocoa money for free? Do you actually understand what trade means?

P.S. what happened to the Cocoa fields and groundnut pyramids? Have people all of a sudden forgotten how to farm? Why do we talk of the groundnut pyramids and cocoa fields in past tense?

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Bunch of the oil wealth as at today still goes to the niger delta states,so also for every bunkering that occurred in the region,you find a niger delta directly involved or as a conspircay.why should you blame the north or yoruba for the woes caused by indigenes of the region ? Have you ever seen a yoruba man in MEND ?

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WRONG QUESTION.

Nigeria owns the oil, not Niger-delta. When did they create the word Niger-delta sef? Nigeria was existing before oil was discovered.

As somebody mentioned earlier, the real fight is always between the haves and the have-nots. until people figure that out, there will be no solution. Nigerians will eventually figure this out, just that it may take too much time.

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SO YOU ALSO CLASSIFY ALMS SEEKING AND BEGGING AS SELF EMPLOYMENT

I LAUGH OOOOOOOOOOOO

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Stop sounding so ignorant. Cocoa was bought, it was trade and the traders got paid for their work. I am yet to see in Nigeria structures or cities or government bureaucracies built and run on Cocoa derivation fund. If other regions or Nigeria as a whole can survive without oil then why have we been having this discussion? Rather it is people like you that annoy. Have you seen the devastation oil spills and gas flaring has brought to the Niger Delta region? But as long as it is not in your backyard or affecting you it is fine and people who voice such genuine complaints like environmental degredation and calling for an actual federal structure that makes sense are the ones that are annoying voices to ignore as long as states keep getting their derivation, right?

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the North will definitely find it difficult to cope without oil, because they have refuse to educate their people and that is the only way forward for a region without much resources

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I think the North can survive without oil, because they hardly use the oil wealth they receive to improve their land.

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Yes they can and should be encouraged to stay on their own.

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Every part of Nigeria will fare well without the Niger Delta oil.

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They can't survive ooo cos NIGER DELTA OIL is the national cake u hear

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The day the Oil dries, till that day  b4 nigeria moves ahead.

the truth is that every state in Nigeria can survive alone check around the world

We ve all grown up to think that oil is the lifeline or better still a country has to be naturally endowed b4 it can be run

Imagine if Nigeria runs on tax do u think corruption will be these widespead but because of the petrodollars no body care.Am sure if ur been taxed 25%  we will all monitor thr government but no nigeria is just free

no long thing we will start to build Nigeria when the oil dries

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The day the Oil dries, till that day b4 nigeria moves ahead.

the truth is that every state in Nigeria can survive alone check around the world

We ve all grown up to think that oil is the lifeline or better still a country has to be naturally endowed b4 it can be run

Imagine if Nigeria runs on tax do u think corruption will be these widespead but because of the petrodollars no body care.Am sure if ur been taxed 25% we will all monitor thr government but no nigeria is just free

no long thing we will start to build Nigeria when the oil dries

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It was unfortunate that you mixed up some of your few good statements with you categorical hatred for the south and ended up saying ONE LOVE. I think it should be ONE HATRED. Although this is your  1st post, so it is suspicious, maybe you have contributed on this topic and re-assigned to yourself another name to represent your views, or you just heard about nairaland, common to the north.

When was the last time your were in the south? I mean the actual creeks where this oil sustaining all of us come from? Your so-called billions goes through the machinery detected by the North through the governemnt and sent back to them. You asked why EFCC never tried any Gov. Ofcourse, you knew very well Ibori sponsored Yaradua(notherner) and hence he can't.

You Northerners seem to be very selfish. Did you hold any committee to develop Abuja as it is today with our oil money? That was mere farmland before. why all the conferences and meetings that never developed the niger delta?

For you to say that the struggle of the people who are impoverished over decades as selfish issues shows that you never went to south at all or you are simply one of those notherners who like to dominate why lazying around with government machinery.

In federal system, revenue control from state is legal likewise state police. Now Military is in the south fighting issues of revenue control but They kept quiet in Kano when there is a state police there acting with their islamic instincts. Commissioner of police testified to that.

This remind me. you mentioned kenya, Tanzania, etc. How many times have you heard of Islamic fighting of non-muslims over there? The northern muslims dont even want to see other nigerians who are not muslims. You guys will come to power through Constitution and set it aside for Sharia, great hypocrites, i have never found the type.  The countries you mentioned are people takes education serious unlike the nothern nigerians who prefers to have more children/wifes they can cope with, and end up descending on oil money.

It is disheartening for you to come to this forum and rubish us on our pain. Do you know how many fishermen/women who don't have what to do? Do you see how spillage affects our ecosystem? are you with your senses at all?

Can someone come to the North and do to you what you are doing to us in the south? How many oil wells are controlled by the real south? all the so-called developmental agencies are still being controlled by the notherners.

talking about governors sending public money to abroad is general thing not only the southern governors. all should be jailed. tell yaradua your brother, but maybe he needs to re-inburse Ibori, that might be the hurdle.

You said Our struggle has lost steam, you are joking. dont worry very soon you will notice there will not be oil money to fund sharia activities and you guys will be forced to go to school, then, no campaign/public awareness will be needed before you start school.  awareness programmes ko, advertisement ni.

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It would be better to reframe the topic as: Can Nigeria survive without the Niger-Delta oil? I took the pain of reading all the posts here in reply to this particular question. While some individuals made positive and realistic observations, others were bent on onleashing their natural acrimony and in-born hatred for the north, as though the north has been the cause of their misfortune and poverty-stricken lives. To this latter group of people, may I advice you to rescind on your negative opinion which you might have gotten through bad indoctrination.

Now back to business, the north can very much survive , without recourse, if the Niger-Delta oil is severed from them. How many countries of Africa have oil? Those without oil are even well off. Kenya, Tanzania, Mauritius, South Africa, Morocco, name them, and Ghana-which just spudded their oil. "Necessity they say, is the mother of invention". So, no shaking at all. I leave that to your imagination. Yes the north may be backward in education and social development, but as I write now, the region is transforming tremendously through the positive impacts of public campaigns, awareness programmes, and government inducement. when I say 'north' , I mean the far-north because the north-central is well off the hook.

Talking about oil, which region has benefitted more from oil wealth in Nigeria? Ofcourse without any contemplations, it is the South-south especially through their 13% derivation formula. According to a US publication on Niger-Delta in 2006, over 400 billion naira is generated through bunkering activities in the Niger Delta annualy. An evil perpetrated by the so-called elites of the region and the militant groups, in the name of fighting for justice. Ironically, this is the region that is crying loudest for underdevelopment. The report also says that if the proceeds of the stollen oil were ploughed back for economic development and infrastructure, the region would have clearly become a paradise. This suggests that the Niger Delta struggle is basically for self aggrandizement and not for economic freedom. Unknown to this challatans, this struggle has lost steam and popularity. Is it corruption? How many past governors from the oil rich Niger Delta have been indicted by EFCC? We know all those from that region who have built private refineries abroad and carted away billions of naira to foreign land!! So much to say, but with this few points, I have been able to disabuse your little brains, all those who are confused about the subject matter. Leave the north alone!!! Be mindful about how to make Nigeria better. Virtually, all regions have their perculiar problems. Nigeria surfers an epidemic malady and it's wrong to point accusing fingers to one particular region alone. I think what is important for now is how to diversify the economy to reduce over dependence on oil. ONE LOVE.

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Naija cant survive without oil. Not now or sooner. After 6 decades of using d Delta oil dey still need it. If no be oil Lagos no fine and Abuja no go exist. They are still spending oil moneY @ Abuja. They cant survive without oil no deceiving yourselves.banks use oil money whether legal or illegal. Same apply 2 telecoms.

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Can Nigeria flourish without corrupt leadership?

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Naija cant survive without oil. Not for now. After using oil money 4 6 decades, @ high international oil price dey still need oil money 2 continue building Abuja after Lagos. They cant survive without oil-

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nigeria do not really need oil to survive, the leaders needs common sense, but in nigeria case common sense is not common !

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nigeria do not really need oil to survive, the leaders needs common sense, but in nigeria case common sense is not common !

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The real question is can Nigeria survive without oil.

The OP phrased the question as if oil revenues go directly to Northern states exclusively.

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For now it is still the oil we depend on for our income. If 85% of our earnings, as a nation, comes from oil,

then all the so called governors would prove a point if they can refute 85% of their allocation

henceforth and see how they will cope. Then we will truly know The possibility of survival, in the interim,

outside oil.

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For now it is still the oil we depend on for our income. If 85% of our earnings, as a nation, comes from oil,

then all the so called governors would prove a point if they can refute 85% of their allocation

henceforth and see how they will cope. Then we will truly know The possibility of survival, in the interim,

outside oil.

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The topic statement is unfair to the north because in truth you can include the west and east to that category. They are equally unproductive to the Nigerian Economy.

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The Northern part of Nigeria  can survive without Niger Delta oil. Were they not surviving before oil was discovered in the Niger Delta?

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The Northern part of Nigeria can survive without Niger Delta oil. Were they not surviving before oil was discovered in the Niger Delta?

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Japan, is one of the best country you can think of. No single drop of oil there as a major revenue. None. Many country succeeds without oil. It might interest you to check out their technology base and see why they survive.

But the question here is can the Northern part of Nigeria succeed without oil? The answer is NO. They can examplify by not drawing the proceeds of oil from Federation account, then, we are here to see how magical that will be.

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oil has made us intellectually lazy as a nation. there are many countries who don't

have oil and are doing very well economically. what we need to do is have the

political will to explore this other sources of revenue besides oil.

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yes, there is more oil in the human mind than there is ever outer, whatsoever the human mind can conceive and believe it can achieve, if they can conceive and believe it they can achieve it.For God is no respecter of any person.

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We can all do without the oil,atleast we did in the past.I keep telling people that i went to one of the best universities in Nigeria and that the money used in building the school came by through sheer hardworking.TELL ME HOW MANY UNIVERSITIES HAVE WE USED OIL MONEY TO BUILD?

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Father lord, i'm here in your presence seeking your face, please lord, I want the oil in nigeria to dry up naturally or humanly before the end of this year. This oil has been a curse in Nigeria and the more it's around, the more the curse penetrates. Dear lord, I will be so grateful to you if my request is granted and I won't mind to give 50% of my yearly income to the real people that needs help.

Prayer from a concerned son of the soil.

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Father lord, i'm here in your presence seeking your face, please lord, I want the oil in nigeria to dry up naturally or humanly before the end of this year. This oil has been a curse in Nigeria and the more it's around, the more the curse penetrates. Dear lord, I will be so grateful to you if my request is granted and I won't mind to give 50% of my yearly income to the real people that needs help.

Prayer from a concerned son of the soil.

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@@@@ post

big no

the reality on ground is the average northern is so improverished nevertheless their so called heavily ilegally aquired-rich elites!!

do they really care about their citizen wey no even wan go school

big no;

let them stop fooling themselves and face stone in accordance to shaira

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echezz (m) You said it all dude. - Delete pls

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echezz (m) You said it all dude.

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Nigeria depends heavily on Oil to operate. If there is no Niger-Delta, Nigeria will be poor. The banks will all go down as well. Just like in the US, it is all about credit. If people are not borrowing money, the economy slows down leading to depression which then leads to lay-off.

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I think the worst or rather the most unrealistic post so far.

Do you think nuclear energy is a day job? Where in the North do you see the signs? Oh, you believe by deposit, benefit can be calculated, then, you are totoally wrong. My delta state should be heaven by now, due to oil deposits. The last time I checked out on Nuclear energy, IT IS STILL NOT THE TOTAL SOLUTION BUT JUST A COMPLIMENTARY ONE LIKE ALL OTHER SOURCES OF ENERGY. How do you think that will put the North in sirvival? What is the mathematics?

I only agree with you that it is north a war of south and north. it is a leadership problem,  Poverty anywhere is a threat everywhere.

Nuclear energy Requires:

1. A huge, I mean, very huge capital running into billions of dollars to kickstart. Does the north have that?

2.A very much larger reserve/working capital cost because of emergency, containment, etc

3. Organised and maintained radioactive waste and storage systems due to explosion control;;;;;;;;;ehmm, bomb very close to energy here.;;;;; oh my Naija.

4. A  long-term  resolution high level waste storage must be in place, ofcourse you know about nuclear waste management, the cost, and environment implications

5  Obama will keep an eye in the North due to Potential nuclear proliferation issue. You may also consider sharia with it.

Please, i think it will be more realsitic if you can tell us how the north will surivive without oil money. I tell you(1000x) they will not survive as at today.

Go to east, you will see elcetrical transformers, community roads, town halls, small schools, etc built by contributions from sons of the soil. But in the north, it is either governemnt or nothing.  The human development is so low. You even beg them to go to school.

Let us not talk about attitude to work here. it is another thing entirely.

Please concentrate on how this Ba-turanchi people will survive without oil and not one form of nuclear reactor or rocket science.

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best post so far

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ofcourse they would survive & they already are cos the oil money is distributed among the elite.

it does not trickle down to the common northerner & thats why are the least educated & the poorest.

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