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Can this be Abuja ? A Canadian friend i met in South Africa earlier this year will be my guest here in Nigeria by next month, July. He is really excited about the trip (His first ever to Nigeria) that he is already researching a lot about the country. He sent me these pictures as some of the places he will like to visit. He says the place is Abuja. I don't really know how, and from where he got these pictures from; but can Nigeria really be this fine ?

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This thread reminds me of "becomerich" when he was still "nigeria1".he was map-crazier then

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The south owns 70% of the landed properties in Abuja, oya militants blow everything sky high lets wait and see who go cry well well.

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Yes, it is Abuja. However, the images have been digitally doctored to look as such! Not as eye-catching as that in reality!

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Of course I noticed that little phrase. But from that one "make we assume", several deep waters flowed. The bottom line is, Nigeria has never been this shaky and your words bore my fears out. It will only be right to cart things away should the worst happen.

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abeg go and re-read my post. make sure you pay attention to where i said "make we assume say na oil dey keep nigeria together". abi you be lawyer wey dey try call white woman pink, or brown woman black?

biko, my challenge to your statement about carting off stuff is still very much valid.

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Therefore, you are agreeing that the country is held together by greed for oil alone. It is no different from what I said earlier (about carting off stuff from Abuja and Lagos), so how come you challenged it?

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you dey mention akinrinade wey get zero influence and power, in terms of causing Nigeria's disintegration.

make we assume say na oil dey keep nigeria together:  how many years you tink say e go take before de oil finish, mind you dem still dey discover oil reservers as we speak?  30years, 40, 50years?  so you see if oil be the glue, as you claim, then disintegration no go happen for at least 50years.

if massive oil reserves are discovered in the north, however, all bets may be off.   na dat time wey disintegration go fit happen with less resistance from the north. 

trust me, ND people no want dat kind intergration because biafrans go come take over ND territories. dem don tell us over and over say ND na part of biafra and ND nairalanders dey fear to challenge the biafrans wey make those pronouncements. dan daudus.

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General Akinrinade and a couple of other powerful Yoruba's are far from the biafran that worry you.

What are these powerful forces holding the country together? Is it not oil? A massive number of Igbo's are unhappy, the North has taken to sharia, the Middle Belt and ND are newly aggravated. . .

The only thing holding us together is oil. Nigerians don't even love each other (it is so easy for them to bay for the blood of their fellows). I could go on and on.

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Thanks for the clarification. i  know say you get sense small.

That Nigeria will break up is the least of my worries. dat one no concern me at all. you see, de powers wey dey keep de country together dey too powerful and i never see any scenario wey go fit wrestle dat power away easily. 

certainly, de mumus wey dey for diaspora dey shout biafra, no fit do am because their own leaders including ojukwu and others, are squarely against a breakup.  de breakup of nigeria exists in de figment of imagination of some nigerians, and that's it.

in addition to the powers that be wey dey hold nigeria together, external forces, china, usa, india and others go make sure say status quo no change too dramatically.

US marines go invade nigeria for oil before any break up - that one worry me pass nigeria breaking up because of some internal problem.   

and, by the way, those pictures na Abuja pictures.

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I get a soft spot and a vested interest for ND, so you no fit blame me. some "biafrans' sef don accuse me of de same ting.

if you disagree with any ting wey i post, make you tell me ya disagreement make we iron am out. no need to dey use phrases like bullshit when you no get superior point. ya statement:

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Without fail, as soon as ND is mentioned, you materialise like a ghost to talk bullshit. Na wa!

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Sometimes one has to put "reason" aside. Some of the responses to the ND crisis are very heartless, ranging from vicious propaganda to ignorant rage.

Witness the blatant protection Ibori is getting from the highest levels. Nobody is blind to the level of FG protection given to Ibori at home and abroad, yet we are told to blame our leaders. Also ND states get their monthly stipend from the FG (like everyone else), therefore they are accountable to the FG alone (when govs embezzle money, it really is FG money), governors are not accountable at state level.

If it isn't the impossible "blame your leaders" task, there is always someone willing to suggest that "Boko Haram" tactics are applied in the ND or even that ND population be exterminated as a sacrifice for the rest of Nigeria. But if oil were to stop flowing today, what would happen to the country?

There are a lot of people who say ND people don't go to school, yet Delta and Edo regularly produce the highest number of JAMB entrants per capita, there are others who say ND people don't want to work or we don't want to clear the oil spills etc; all sorts of crap. So please pardon me if I say, should the nation split, the ND should be allowed to cart off stuff to recoup what it can as recompense for 50+ years of thankless suffering.

It comes across quite vividly that the nation views the ND person as worthless, tolerated only for the value of their land.

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@Beaf, how is that feasible?. And how did u come about 80% in Lagos?. Nna!

You sounds more reasonable than this, don't allow emotion to becloud ur senses.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

slowpoke listen to yourself talk

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One thing is certain, if 9ja splits, ND must be allowed to loosen [b]everything [/b]in Abuja to sell. The same thing should happen to 80% of Lagos.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

o yee of little faith in your country

go here http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=931208

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I believe the pictures but I don't believe the lights, there is something tricky about them.

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Of course, Abuja is a beautiful place. But it's beauty is centralized as the outskirts are nothing to write home about.

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The question is "why must the summit be in Abuja", why not somewhere in the Niger Delta so that the stakeholders can see the situation one-on-one. Whoever heads it might not really be an issue, but what comes out of it.

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lol its funny at some point this thread was about Abuja, lmao

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We need to start asking the right answers to continue to fuel the stupidity of these people we have in government. The Niger Delta States, regardless of what percentage anyone feels the deserve, already gets so much more money than other states do. What has been done with all that money to date?? What has the area to show it's citizens that the money it does get is being put to good use??

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You haven't finished yet. Please go on.

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Everyone has a grouse to settle with someone. Native Indians can complain to heaven about how Europeans killed them and took their land. In the United States.

In west Africa, We can complain to heavens about how Portuguese and Europeans took our fore fathers and the virile young men as slaves to the plantations of America.

The Japanese can as well sit down and blame America for Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki without looking for a way forward.

From OMPADEC to NDDC we have always looked for a means to appease and make up for the Niger Deltans. At a time maybe a south Eastern man should be V.P they took a core N-Delta man Ijaw man as Vice president. In Jonathan Goodluck and he has a very big chance of becoming number 1 man in Nigeria in 7 years time.

They get 13% derivation, They have NDDC, Oil coys have skill acquisition programmes for them to learn skill. At Escravos I met one guy a plumber who told me he bought UBA shares worth 1.2million from the salaries they pay him at Chevron. He entered via community slot. He lives in GRA at Benin

In Nigeria Universities, we have community scholarships for oil producing areas students. I know of a friend from Ogoni who told me all you have to do to get a job as an Ogoni boy is for the Youth leader to take you to an oil company and use community slot.

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Eziachi,

You did put up a superb argument up there.

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POINT.

Another solid point. . . . . points raised by sane people in the past!!

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Do you realize how useless those pictures are to this debate/argument?? Is it really that hard for you to answer simple questions?? You post space-consuming pictures have have absolutely nothing to do with the question I ask and you expect me to answer what?? Can you please stick to answering the question that I asked you??

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QUOTING Dayokano:

Between May to October 2007, all the North Eastern states of Nigeria (Borno, Yobe, Bauchi, Gombe, Adamawa and taraba) got a total of 67billion Naira as allocation while Rivers State alone got 73billion within this period So what is the screaming about- uNQUOTE

As long as the north continue to make this senseless argument, they are in for a shock one day. They select Niger Delta leaders in their various crooked elections, they decide who get what in a booty that doesn't belong to them. They continue to create useless states govts in the north that can easily be passed for a local govt area, all in the name of revenue formular cheating.  It is the business of Niger Delta people to ask their leaders question when they are in position to elect their own leaders and not the imposed ones like Odilli. There is nothing special about Donald Duke, he is just a silent crook. Come and see his £3.4 million estate in the United Kingdom. It will take Cross River state years to come before they will clear debt on their neck from Duke's white elephant Tinapa shopping centre. When Niger Delta were allowed to elect Ambrose Alli as governor for example, he gave them free education, free medical care etc.  It is not the business of the northern parasites to ask that question that is not theirs in order to justify their strong hold of a wealth that doesn't belong to them.

Even if all the states in the north is to gets 1 Naira, shouldn't they be grateful for that? It is not everyday that you get free money without putting in any labour of some sort and then turn around to ask the owner what he did with his own. What does the governor of Yobe or Gombe for instance do for the whole month other than to wait till the end of the month to collect their free money from Abuja?  And the likes of Nyarko will be dealing it around with his four wives and countless children. These same parasites were quick to enact the sharia laws that forbade the drink of alcohol in their dormain but at the end of each month a state like Zamfara will be the first take a cut from the VAT revenue accrued from alcohol sales, all in the name of hypocritical one Nigeria.

It is time the northern parasite realise that we are sick of them and they should leave us alone. Let them join their real brothers in Mauritania, Niger or Chad. Let see how many bags of groundnut they will sale in a month for the likes of Babangida to build/ran is hill top masion.

If Niger Delta is to take full control of their oil, they can now kill themselves if they chooses, as they share what is rightly theirs and then Ijaw noise makers/kidnappers will now discover that the much peaceful Efiks, Annang, Itshekiri are part of Niger Delta and has a voice too.

All the so called hidden crude oil all over Yoruba as been claimed by the Oduduwas inside will now be put to reality, if it's not just theoriy. Just Yorubas in marriage with the north are also major beneficiaries of the lopsided Nigeria system and their gimmick revenue formular.

Let the Igbo man explore whatever resources they claim too that they got. All the big talk about entrepreuship will be put to full test without Niger Delta oil booty.

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Satelite pictures prove nothing here, and have absolutely nothing to do with answering the very simple questions I asked you. Are you able to answer or not?? I mean they are straight forward questions. Anyone can go on google or virtual earth to extract pictures and paste the word proof right next to it. That is not what you are being asked to do here.

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Thanks for the correction on point 1.

I'm not wholly convinced about point two (in highlights). How does the average Nigerian hold his leaders responsible? Can you even hold your local government chairman responsible? Are we sure we voted for them or they were rigged in?

The issue is not whether the ND states would be able to make a difference with 100% resource control . . . the issue is whether the FG has the RIGHT to disburse funds that belong to other states as it deems fit. The non-ND states have not shown us they are any better . . . infact the northern states are much worse than ND states.

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This is inaccurate - states can embark on whatever capital projects they deem fit within their areas of authority, some areas such as the coastline have some Federal component involved, but by and large, states are able to do what they wish with their funds.

The second point is really a poor excuse if you ask me - if you do not hold your locally accessible leaders responsible, how do you want to hold some guys far away in Abuja accountable?

The N-D resources do not belong to the FG for them to be distributing as they wish, but the lack of proper utilisation in the ND cannot be overlooked either. While, in principle, the ND should be able to do as it deems fit with its resources, the current state of affairs there does not indicate that receiving 100% of the revenue would make a difference.

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davidylan , it is difficult for some governor to develop their state, 

Take for example Oyo sate, which from satellite picture have about  the same  population of 3 state put together.  That is one state  with the population same population of 3 state.  I AM NOT MAKING A FALSE STATEMENT WE HAVE PROVE.  While Oyo state have 33  local govt, the state 3 state of with the same population if they are put together has equal one state of oyo state population but this 3 state put together get 105 local govt. Please ask yourself who is bankole representing. Himself or the people. Bankole have refuse to disclose the names of member of the constitution conference 2 month after the senate have presented its list. I think it is time to recall Bankole back to Ogun state. So who is bankole representing, himself or who.

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Perhaps Kobo needs to realise that capital projects need to be routed thru the FEC before any state can implement them.

Lagos IPP, Bar Beach, subway system is a classic example.

Perhaps Kobo also needs to know that the Niger Delta governors owe more of an allegiance to the PDP who rigged them into power than their states.

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Niger-Delta money is not for the Federal Government to distribute as if they are doing Niger-Deltans a favor.

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Just simple answers needed please

1) How much does the Niger delta States get in annual funding from the Federal Government? And What was the money ACTUALLY spent on during the 2007 fiscal year. If you have detailed report, I would like to see it please

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You can see why militia are blowing up the pipeline. They take the money to build abuja, why south remain undeveloped. They believe if the govt can not build thier own place. they why not blow up the pipe so that nobody get the oil.

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I don't know where these ghastly imbeciles obtained this canard about Nigeria depending on cocoa and groundnut money in the past.

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let d people 4rm Niger Delta understand that b4 exporting oil, federal government got her revenue from agriculture (i.e produce 4rm cocoa in west and groundnut from the north) and money from this exportation was shared among the existing states then. So is now the turn of the Niger Delta to contributes their own quota to the development of Nigeria, and they have been favored by giving them the lion shares from their revenue in expense of the other zone. They should go and ask their Governors and Rep Representatives were they keep the money for development of Niger Delta. They also ask the MD of NDDC were the money is. They should allow us to rest.

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When bayelsa state and Rivers were one state, Port Harcourt was vastly more developed than Yenagoa.

The 'capital city' effect in Nigeria cannot be discounted.

We expect more from the Niger Delta governors because their areas are the one needing development the most.

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am not sure that is Abuja, though there are some places in Abuja which are more beautiful, like Maitama, Asokoro and the church gate.

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Whoever said Niger Delta Militants is an

I am from the Niger Delta, and if i was in Nigeria I would go to the South South and kill as many militants as I could.

Rip their heads off and feed it to dogs.

Niger Deltan Militants that fight for their "people" but kidnap toddlers, lay siege to Delta Towns and can't even function as one, but are actually divided into various factions that occasionally fight each other

People say, How can Abuja, be like this, and Warri, looks like that, yet the Militants are supporting people like Alamieseigha (Former Governor of Bayelsa, who looted state funds)

They can direct the blame at the Nigerian State, and say that all the neglect has evidently led to all the woes of the Niger Delta, and to some extent that is true, but it is also true that the Niger Delta has one of the largest concentrations of Governors from the Niger Delta that are more corrupt than corruption itself.

Yes the Whole region is neglected, and the rest of the country isn't? Aren't the slums in Lagos just as bad as the poorest areas of the Niger delta.

Isn't Calabar a city that is being rehabilitated from scratch boast of a few tourism hotspots that are better than facilities elsewhere in the country including Abuja.

The retail facilities in Calabar far exceed that which is currently in Abuja. The only problem is the federal regulations that is preventing things from Operating smoothly.

Yes there is neglect, but the only people innocent are the few Niger Deltans who still remain passive.

And why shouldn't Abuja look good, afterall it is the seat of Government

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NO one is even mentioning the real sufferers

states like Ekiti, Ondo,Kogi and so on

most especially Ekit, that state is really under fire

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I don't know what telecom project you're talking about. . . . . . . .

Damn, u guys just can't see issue.

''Give'' the Delta the same federal financial muscle you ''applied'' to get Abuja to where it is today. Lets see if kidnapping won't stop.

Besides, the real issue on ground transcends ''FG give me this or that''. It's about the ''heritage'' of a people. I have stated this in some of my old posts. I'm not ready to dabble into all that thrash now. I'm just tired and fed up. I just want MEND to blow up everything. . . . . .that's all.

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This state will never prosper or progress as long as this organization (MEND) continues to exist on that land.

I'm sorry!

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This is why I think MEND is only exploiting this opportunity to enrich and empower themselves. I do not think they're truly fighting for their people.

A question for MEND: Yes, we all understand that the government hasn't treated the people from this state appropriately, but with all this fighting, killing and kidnapping, what have you accomplished or what have you done for your people lately?

This is a complete Bullshi t; these folks (MEND) are only looking out for themselves. Believe it or not, MEND is a business; a profitable business for that matter. I will love to see their end of the year statement.

They've been fighting for many years (over 10 years) and the place (Niger Delta) still looks like Baghdad while the people (the local) continue to struggle to survive day after day.

I'm sorry, enough is enough, it's time to try a new strategy that will truly benefit the state and the people.

The Federal Government on the other hand should stand firm and do everything to disable these criminals, who are simply using silly excuses to exploit their own people.

The Fed should not entertain this rubbish, they should immediately come up with a plan to completely disable this organization (MEND).

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It is the Federal Structure that makes them Kidnap babies, and pregnancies,

Oil companies would offer indegenes of Niger delta jobs but they do not want. They have community quotas in Oil company but Those deltans and Bayelsan and Ogoni people would prefer to sell the slots.

Check Eket a lot of indigenes have been employed by Mobil. but when they offer those Deltans and Bayelsans jobs the sell their slots I am close to those Oil coys in PH and Delta they prefer militancy.

I was in Bayelsa in Nembe local govt in 2006 when a road project was on. The indigenes started building shrines and moulding bricks on the path the road

was to take why? So that the contractors would settle them to remove their structures. Imagine. The contractors had to stop the work at a time.

I dont know if he continued later and the road was completed.

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Most well-meaning Nigerians who were sympathetic to their cause now know better.

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@ Ono

You are probably running away from the obvious. 

Can the Niger delta governors please tell US what they have done with the allocation they have been receiving?

What is the attitude of the citizens to development. Many of them have been brain washed to believe that destroying anything is equal to fighting for the Niger delta.

I was opportune to work on some private developmental telecommunications projects across Nigeria some years back, when we commission projects in some  places other that Niger delta, the people of the areas  showers praises, encomiums and gifts on us.

In the Niger delta, it is the opposite. We work with armed protection on project that are supposed to better the life of the people.

They kidnap contractors that are supposed to make roads for them. They kidnap Engineers that are supposed to work on electricity projects. So do you think Niger delta will ever be like Abuja with this uncouth attitude to life?

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Blue boy,

No point joining issues with you. You apparently don't understand the kind of Federal structure we have on ground here in Nigeria - or maybe you know, but you just want to be myopic! Good luck.

I dey wait for better people to respond.

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take a look at the national mosque

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@topic

The pics are indeed Abuja.

1. Chelsea Hotel

2. National Christian Centre

All in the Central Business District of Abuja

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