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Did Us And Israel Lie About The 1967 Uss Liberty Incident? -by John Crewdson,

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Editor's Note:

This is a special 2-part series on new evidence obtained

by the Chicago Tribune. The second part will be delivered

to you tomorrow. After 40 years, the truth needs to be

revealed.

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Did US and Israel Lie about the 1967 USS Liberty Incident?

-By John Crewdson, Chicago Tribune senior correspondent

Bryce Lockwood, Marine staff sergeant, Russian-language

expert, recipient of the Silver Star for heroism, ordained

Baptist minister, is shouting into the phone.

"I'm angry! I'm seething with anger! Forty years, and I'm

seething with anger!"

Lockwood was aboard the USS Liberty, a super-secret spy

ship on station in the eastern Mediterranean, when four

Israeli fighter jets flew out of the afternoon sun to

strafe and bomb the virtually defenseless vessel on

June 8, 1967, the fourth day of what would become known

as the Six-Day War.

For Lockwood and many other survivors, the anger is mixed

with incredulity: that Israel would attack an important

ally, then attribute the attack to a case of mistaken

identity by Israeli pilots who had confused the U.S.

Navy's most distinctive ship with an Egyptian horse-

cavalry transport that was half its size and had a dis-

similar profile. And they're also incredulous that, for

years, their own government would reject their calls for

a thorough investigation.

"They tried to lie their way out of it!" Lockwood shouts.

"I don't believe that for a minute! You just don't shoot

at a ship at sea without identifying it, making sure of

your target!"

Four decades later, many of the more than two dozen Liberty

survivors located and interviewed by the Tribune cannot

talk about the attack without shouting or weeping.

Their anger has been stoked by the declassification of

government documents and the recollections of former

military personnel, including some quoted in this article

for the first time, which strengthen doubts about the U.S.

National Security Agency's position that it never intercept-

ed the communications of the attacking Israeli pilots --

communications, according to those who remember seeing

them, that showed the Israelis knew they were attacking an

American naval vessel.

The documents also suggest that the U.S. government,

anxious to spare Israel's reputation and preserve its

alliance with the U.S., closed the case with what even

some of its participants now say was a hasty and seriously

flawed investigation.

In declassifying the most recent and largest batch of

materials last June 8, the 40th anniversary of the attack,

the NSA, this country's chief U.S. electronic-intelligence-

gatherer and code-breaker, acknowledged that the attack had

"become the center of considerable controversy and debate."

It was not the agency's intention, it said, "to prove or

disprove any one set of conclusions, many of which can be

drawn from a thorough review of this material," available

at http://www.nsa.gov/liberty .

An Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mark Regev, called

the attack on the Liberty "a tragic and terrible accident,

a case of mistaken identity, for which Israel has official-

ly apologized." Israel also paid reparations of $6.7

million to the injured survivors and the families of those

killed in the attack, and another $6 million for the loss

of the Liberty itself.

But for those who lost their sons and husbands, neither

the Israelis' apology nor the passing of time has lessened

their grief.

One is Pat Blue, who still remembers having her lunch in

Washington's Farragut Square park on "a beautiful June

afternoon" when she was a 22-year-old secretary for a law

firm.

Blue heard somebody's portable radio saying a U.S. Navy

ship had been torpedoed in the eastern Mediterranean. A

few weeks before, Blue's husband of two years, an Arab-

language expert with the NSA, had been hurriedly dispatched

overseas.

As she listened to the news report, "it just all came

together." Soon afterward, the NSA confirmed that Allen

Blue was among the missing.

"I never felt young again," she said.

Aircraft on the horizon

Beginning before dawn on June 8, Israeli aircraft regularly

appeared on the horizon and circled the Liberty.

The Israeli Air Force had gained control of the skies on

the first day of the war by destroying the Egyptian air

force on the ground. America was Israel's ally, and the

Israelis knew the Americans were there. The ship's mission

was to monitor the communications of Israel's Arab enemies

and their Soviet advisers, but not Israeli communications.

The Liberty felt safe.

Then the jets started shooting at the officers and enlisted

men stretched out on the deck for a lunch-hour sun bath.

Theodore Arfsten, a quartermaster, remembered watching a

Jewish officer cry when he saw the blue Star of David on

the planes' fuselages. At first, crew members below decks

had no idea whose planes were shooting at their ship.

Thirty-four died that day, including Blue, the only

civilian casualty. An additional 171 were wounded in the

air and sea assault by Israel, which was about to celebrate

an overwhelming victory over the combined armies of Egypt,

Syria, Jordan, and several other Arab states.

For most of those who survived the attack, the Six-Day War

has become the defining moment of their lives.

Some mustered out of the Navy as soon as their enlistments

were up. Others stayed in long enough to retire. Several

went on to successful business careers. One became a Secret

Service agent, another a Baltimore policeman.

Several are being treated with therapy and drugs for what

has since been recognized as post-traumatic stress dis-

order. One has undergone more than 30 major operations.

Another suffers seizures caused by a piece of shrapnel

still lodged in his brain.

After Bryce Lockwood left the Marines, he worked construct-

ion, then tried selling insurance. "I'd get a job and get

fired," he said. "I had a hell of a time getting my feet

on the ground."

With his linguistic background, Lockwood could have had a

career with the NSA, the CIA, or the FBI. But he was too

angry at the U.S. government to work for it. "Don't talk

to me about government!" he shouts.

U.S. Navy jets were called back

An Israeli military court of inquiry later acknowledged

that their naval headquarters knew at least three hours

before the attack that the odd-looking ship 13 miles off

the Sinai Peninsula, sprouting more than 40 antennas cap-

able of receiving every kind of radio transmission, was

"an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S.

Navy," a floating electronic vacuum cleaner.

The Israeli inquiry later concluded that that information

had simply gotten lost, never passed along to the ground

controllers who directed the air attack nor to the crews

of the three Israeli torpedo boats who picked up where the

air force left off, strafing the Liberty's decks with their

machine guns and launching a torpedo that blew a 39-foot

hole in its starboard side.

To a man, the survivors interviewed by the Tribune rejected

Israel's explanation.

Nor, the survivors said, did they understand why the

American 6th Fleet, which included the aircraft carriers

America and Saratoga, patrolling 400 miles west of the

Liberty, launched and then recalled at least two squadrons

of Navy fighter-bombers that might have arrived in time to

prevent the torpedo attack -- and save 26 American lives.

J.Q. "Tony" Hart, then a chief petty officer assigned to a

U.S. Navy relay station in Morocco that handled communi-

cations between Washington and the 6th Fleet, remembered

listening as Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, in Washing-

ton, ordered Rear Adm. Lawrence Geis, commander of the

America's carrier battle group, to bring the jets home.

When Geis protested that the Liberty was under attack and

needed help, Hart said, McNamara retorted that "President

[Lyndon] Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an

American ally over a few sailors."

McNamara, who is now 91, told the Tribune he has "absolute-

ly no recollection of what I did that day," except that "I

have a memory that I didn't know at the time what was going

on."

The Johnson administration did not publicly dispute

Israel's claim that the attack had been nothing more than

a disastrous mistake. But internal White House documents

obtained from the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library

show that the Israelis' explanation of how the mistake had

occurred was not believed.

Except for McNamara, most senior administration officials

from Secretary of State Dean Rusk on down privately agreed

with Johnson's intelligence adviser, Clark Clifford, who

was quoted in minutes of a National Security Council staff

meeting as saying it was "inconceivable" that the attack

had been a case of mistaken identity.

The attack "couldn't be anything else but deliberate,"

the NSA's director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told

Congress.

"I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe

it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA

director, said in an interview.

"I just always assumed that the Israeli pilots knew what

they were doing," said Harold Saunders, then a member of

the National Security Council staff and later assistant

secretary of state for Near Eastern and South Asian affairs.

"So for me, the question really is who issued the order to

do that and why? That's the really interesting thing."

The answer, if there is one, will probably never be known.

Gen. Moshe Dayan, then the country's minister of defense;

Levi Eshkol, the Israeli prime minister; and Golda Meir,

his successor, are all dead.

Many of those who believe the Liberty was purposely attack-

ed have suggested that the Israelis feared the ship might

intercept communications revealing its plans to widen the

war, which the U.S. opposed. But no one has ever produced

any solid evidence to support that theory, and the Israelis

dismiss it. The NSA's deputy director, Louis Tordella,

speculated in a recently declassified memo that the attack

"might have been ordered by some senior commander on the

Sinai Peninsula who wrongly suspected that the LIBERTY was

monitoring his activities."

Was the U.S. flag visible?

Though the attack on the Liberty has faded from public

memory, Michael Oren, a historian and senior fellow at The

Shalem Center in Jerusalem, conceded that "the case of the

assault on the Liberty has never been closed."

If anything, Oren said, "the accusations leveled against

Israel have grown sharper with time." Oren said in an

interview that he believed a formal investigation by the

U.S., even 40 years later, would be useful if only because

it would finally establish Israel's innocence.

Questions about what happened to the Liberty have been

kept alive by survivors' groups and their Web sites,

a half-dozen books, magazine articles and television

documentaries, scholarly papers published in academic

journals, and Internet chat groups where amateur sleuths

debate arcane points of photo interpretation and torpedo

running depth.

Meantime, the Liberty's survivors and their supporters,

including a distinguished constellation of retired admirals

and generals, have persisted in asking Congress for a full-

scale formal investigation.

"We deserve to have the truth," Pat Blue said.

For all its apparent complexity, the attack on the Liberty

can be reduced to a single question: Was the ship flying

the American flag at the time of the attack, and was that

flag visible from the air?

The survivors interviewed by the Tribune uniformly agree

that the Liberty was flying the Stars and Stripes before,

during and after the attack, except for a brief period in

which one flag that had been shot down was replaced with

another, larger flag -- the ship's "holiday colors" -- that

measured 13 feet long.

Concludes one of the declassified NSA documents: "Every

official interview of numerous Liberty crewmen gave

consistent evidence that indeed the Liberty was flying an

American flag -- and, further, the weather conditions were

ideal to ensure its easy observance and identification."

The Israeli court of inquiry that examined the attack, and

absolved the Israeli military of criminal culpability, came

to precisely the opposite conclusion.

"Throughout the contact," it declared, "no American or any

other flag appeared on the ship."

The attack, the court said, had been prompted by a report,

which later proved erroneous, that a ship was shelling

Israeli-held positions in the Sinai Peninsula. The Liberty

had no guns capable of shelling the shore, but the court

concluded that the U.S. ship had been mistakenly identified

as the source of the shelling.

Yiftah Spector, the first Israeli pilot to attack the ship,

told the Jerusalem Post in 2003 that when he first spotted

the Liberty, "I circled it twice and it did not fire on me.

My assumption was that it was likely to open fire at me

and nevertheless I slowed down and I looked and there was

positively no flag."

But the Liberty crewmen interviewed by the Tribune said the

Israeli jets simply appeared and began shooting. They also

said the Liberty did not open fire on the planes because it

was armed only with four .50-caliber machine guns intended

to repel boarders.

"I can't identify it, but in any case it's a military

ship," Spector radioed his ground controller, according

to a transcript of the Israeli air-to-ground communications

published by the Jerusalem Post in 2004.

That transcript, made by a Post reporter who was allowed

to listen to what the Israeli Air Force said were tapes

of the attacking pilots' communications, contained only

two references to "American" or "Americans," one at the

beginning and the other at the end of the attack.

The first reference occurred at 1:54 p.m. local time, two

minutes before the Israeli jets began their first strafing

run.

In the Post transcript, a weapons system officer on the

ground suddenly blurted out, "What is this? Americans?"

"Where are Americans?" replied one of the air controllers.

The question went unanswered, and it was not asked again.

Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit

repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from

the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-

bombers, the controller directing the attack asked his

chief in Tel Aviv to which country the target vessel

belonged.

"Apparently American," the chief controller replied.

Fourteen minutes later the Liberty was struck amidships by

a torpedo from an Israeli boat, killing 26 of the 100 or

so NSA technicians and specialists in Russian and Arabic

who were working in restricted compartments below the

ship's waterline.

Analyst: Israelis wanted it sunk

The transcript published by the Jerusalem Post bore scant

resemblance to the one that in 1967 rolled off the tele-

type machine behind the sealed vault door at Offutt Air

Force Base in Omaha, where Steve Forslund worked as an

intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance

Technical Wing, then the highest-level strategic planning

office in the Air Force.

"The ground control station stated that the target was

American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund

recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the

target as American, by the American flag.

"The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack

and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."

Forslund said he clearly recalled "the obvious frustration

of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink

the target quickly and completely."

"He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and

was frustrated with the pilots' responses that it didn't

sink."

Nor, Forslund said, was he the only member of his unit to

have read the transcripts. "Everybody saw these," said

Forslund, now retired after 26 years in the military.

Forslund's recollections are supported by those of two

other Air Force intelligence specialists, working in widely

separate locations, who say they also saw the transcripts

of the attacking Israeli pilots' communications.

One is James Gotcher, now an attorney in California, who

was then serving with the Air Force Security Service's

6924th Security Squadron, an adjunct of the NSA, at Son

Tra, Vietnam.

"It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored

directly at USS Liberty," Gotcher recalled in an e-mail.

"Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call,

the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to

'complete the job' and get out of there."

Six thousand miles from Omaha, on the Mediterranean island

of Crete, Air Force Capt. Richard Block was commanding an

intelligence wing of more than 100 analysts and crypt-

ologists monitoring Middle Eastern communications.

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oh ok , I didn't know that at all, I was just going to ask him about life over there after the discussion the other day about Nigeria and Dubai and oil.!!

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@ kobo,

Dont blame chidichris for being on the defensive, its not the first time someone has come here claiming he is not in Dubai.

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uuummmm, dude, no need to feel attacked by my simple question there, I asked out of curiousity cause I had a question about the place I wanted to ask but since you are this way about your domain, I will say forget I asked.

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kobo,

are there information you have been looking for in dubai?

have u seen mamajama in the usa?

is bush still the president of usa?

was clinton the last president b4 bush?

did obj rig 2007 election?

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enugu man, u must be like that but as long as u remain in nigeria, u are a blind man and the best thing that will happen to ur life is exposure

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Oh no! Just when I thought you were improving in the the way you write you just went back to your old style.

In any case, as usual your rambling is incoherent and as long as it remains so you shall get nothing.

If after travelling far and wide and your thought process is as bad as this and your written english is as fantastic as this then by all means come back home, farming or bus driving will pay you well.

I should challenge you on any of your posts? No, thanks. You don't even understand yourself let alone someone else. I would rather you continued to swim in the ocean of ignorance than make any attempt to help you.

Advice: I understand pidgin english, feel free to use it because you are ridiculing yourself. Learn to communicate in a language you are comfortable with.

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I applied my advice and that is why I did not attack anyone's personality. What part of my post didn't you understand?

afam, you wrote the above and i would want to call ur attention to international copyright laws so if you can, withdraw the statement because the posts isn't urs. since when has copied works become the works of the people who transfered them here from their inbox.

i have told you many times and i want to tell u again, there are a lot of differences between been popular and been notorious.

my brother, if you don't have something that will keep u busy, try getting urself busy withlocal news as u automatically has no points to back your copy works and as u can see the brains here are too big for this ur nursery school copy and paste activitives.

we want to see u active, think out things and let us digest them here.

many have travelled to different parts of the world to see and believe that the egypt we hear, iran we hear, isreal and other countries of the world we hear are real so it is time u get out of imaginations and stop leaving of illusions.

this is a time of realities. how long do u want to remain in the dark and teach people who are better than u in their exposures.

what sense does it make when a blind man says he is not ready to be awake tonight when we cannot different him while sleeping.

pls, am not interested in ur fights but the white truth is that u are lacking behind. it does not take away ur pride if you discuss things u know and u can defend.

if u look back, i have challanged u many times to pick any of my posts here and come up with as many questions as possible and i will digest them but u will always resort to insults whenever questions come from ur topics. pls wake up

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You made ur conclusions that the US and Isreal chose to "mislead" the public? Based on what facts? Sometimes i just wonder how you reason . . .

Your arrogance is nauseating. You have no idea what you posted above as you are simply clueless of the simple facts that predate the incident you reference in ur article.

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I shall not go the extent of breaking things down for you. You should be able to put in more effort in analyzing issues.

According to you the title is misleading. That is your own opinion based on your own level of reasoning (maybe high, maybe low, you decide).

There was an incident and both Israel and the US have decided to mislead the public for different reasons. The writer is asking if they lied about the incident and from the information here and on the link someone posted - whatreallyhappened.com it is very clear that Israel lied and the US chose to follow the lies even when witnesses and survivors have made statements that contradict the official version.

My honest opinion, either you didn't read the article on the website someone posted a link to or you didn't understand the article on the site. However, that is still not an excuse for you.

Mind you I will not respond to your posts on this thread if you do not meet a reasonable level of comprehension as I won't be wasting time trying to make simple things simpler.

Facts remain facts whether you believe them or not. Always remember this.

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Here is another "overwhelming" fact you have failed to see which i think is the MOST IMPORTANT clue.

The bombing of the ship took place during the 6 day war, the US Naval ship was in waters used by arab nations to surround Isreal, doesnt it make sense that it may have been an accident since the Isrealis claim they mistook it for an Egyptian vessel (considering Egypt was the chief aggressor in that war)?

Again this is not absolute fact but a way of looking at things from a different angle - an angle that is not just merely looking for just about any tiny reason to blame global warming and the Darfur crisis on the US and Isreal.

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What "overwhelming facts"? Besides the mere regurgitation of a questionable article, what other "facts" buttress your point?

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Sure, I got business interests in the US. I guess that proves I have a right to talk about what it does.

Bt don't bother trying to divert attention to other issues as the facts on this issue are so overwhelming that any diversion would be welcome by you.

Stick to the issue or take a hike, your choice but stop worrying too much about what you think people should think or do as you don't think for others.

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Thanks for the link.

The information contained on that site goes to support the view that indeed Israel deliberately attacked USS Liberty and those in charge of the operation were pissed off that they could not sink the vessel.

Truth is supreme, there is no option to it.

Advice to those interested in research for other issues like Dele Giwa and co

This is a public forum. You are allowed to start a new thread on any major category or sub category and it is free, money no dey change hand so no fear.

You need to know where two buttons are located for you to successfully start a thread on what catches your fancy.

1. New Topic (if you know your way around)

2. Help button (if you cannot figure out how to use the forum).

There are topics I never bother to read, in fact I don't visit sections outside Politics, Programming, Technology, Web masters and very infrequently Business.

So, it is not compulsory for one to visit all the sections and it is not compulsory for one to reply to any thread.

I can't figure out how person go dey purge for wetin another person chop, na wah oo.

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@ texazzpete

I already know about Africa tribal wars such as Biafra, Congo, Rwanda, Durfar, and many more that prompted me interesting to learn all Africa history since my childhood, only thing bothers me why the world hate Africa like Nigeria so much so far.

It broke my heart. I never give up doing my research on Nigeria as well as never believe on western media after my grandfather's death. The more my heart bleed when USA banned the factual world history books late 1970s-early 1980s.

Only my God-fearing grandfather taught me lot about racism and religious wars that I never understand why it cause so much pains hurting God's precious children. I wish to forget the past and move on---STOP CARRYING BAGGAGES!!!!

It is harder to educate everyone on history to be corrected.  Too much lies, corruptions,  cover-ups and other negative factors.

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Where has this belief ever been publicly expressed as a reason for their right defend themselves?

Rachel Corie was only murdered in the eyes of hypocrites and conspiracy theorists. She was killed by accident; here's a question you should ask yourself . . .Rachel Corie's death was filmed by her friends, why didnt these people save her rather than choose to film?

Not really, Isreal has no extra ordinary policies beyond ensuring that they can survive the barrage of suicide bombers and qassam rockets. Isnt it amazing that you cant even mention one of these "policies" you keep crying about?

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Have you thought about the wisdom (or lack thereof) for a Nigerian to go about 'researching' things that happened many years ago in another country while his own country smoulders around him? have YOU ever done any research into what happens in Darfur, or what caused the massacres in Rwanda? Misplaced priorities. . .

There are also many, many 'unresolved conspiracy issues' concerning Nigeria. I wonder why this fascination with the US. AFAIK, Dele Giwa's death still counts as an 'unresolved conspiracy issue'.

You learned something from an unverified, unsubstantiated article? Do you even know who the article writer is? Why?

Unless something is proven and backed up with unassailable facts, it pretty much remains an allegation and somewhat defamatory. Why 'enjoy greatly' something that quite possibly may be false?

I think the statement 'Israel's Arrogance and pride' is over used. If Nigeria and Nigerians had to live in as much adversity as Israel has had to, we'd be more sympathetic. Just sayin'

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Afam,

Thanks for the post. I enjoyed it greatly and learned one or two things.

This shows that Israel's arrogance and pride, stemming from some belief that they are the chosen, knows no bounds. I remember in 2003 when the Israelis murdered an American woman - Rachel Corrie (http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Palestine/031603_american_woman_peace_activist_ki.htm) while she was exercising her right to peaceful demonstration (a theocracy that pretends to be a democracy, like Israel, will understandably be intolerant of non-violent demonstrations), and the Bush White House (a puppet of the AIPAC) did nothing.

I just pray that more Americans would see that Israel's policies only makes their country look very bad.

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It is even more curious that one (yes only one) individual keeps copying and pasting conspiracy emails about America, Israel, or the West in the Middle East on the Nigerian politics board. I think it is even more interesting that about 95% of these so called pro-US and pro-Arab arguments are also started by this same individual.

Pehaps he is trying to spread his ideology? Very curious indeed.

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all am saying is it is pointless picking up a fight with a fellow Nigerian because of any foreign nation.

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@McKren

You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till the chief abuser pops round for his usual release.

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The most curious thing I have seen on nairaland is how some of us have simply alligned themsleves as pro-US or pro-Arab and then throw abuses to their supposedly compatriots no matter the topic of discussion.

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lol facts, truth, reality and what happened indeed! Is pulling conspiracy theories out of your inbox a way of dealing with facts?

coming from the person who has been crying the loudest about multiple IDs?

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@Afam

I read the whole article from the inbox. I do not have issues with any attempt to revisit, discuss, and analyse historical events, especially if it has a potential to affect us a people.

By the same token, I'm only saying that there are also some unresolved "conspiracy" issues concerning the US and others.

For example, if the FBI spied on MLK and his wife as peace-loving as they were, who knows what they might do next?

Also, I'll understand if your bias is Israel/Middle east.

@uspry1

Excellent link for those unfamiliar with the Liberty incident.

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@ poster (Afam)

The answer is Israel claimed the USS Liberty was mistaken for the out-of-service Egyptian horse carrier El Quseir.

Pictures and video displayed at below.

source cite:  http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html

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I applied my advice and that is why I did not attack anyone's personality. What part of my post didn't you understand?

Have you read the article as pasted here before? If no, then others may not mind reading it.

I did not do any article on this, maybe you missed the "from my inbox" line above. In any case, what would be the purpose of doing an article on FBI spying on MLK/his wife?

Other topics like JF Kennedy assasination or invasion of the Bay of pigs or what?

What a person thinks on any issue to me is immaterial, what I consider supreme is reality, what happened, facts, truth etc.

I never bother myself with what individuals think on certain issues. I prefer to focus on the issues and not the personalities discussing them, that is what I have been preaching and practicing and I hope you do same.

This thread has a particular title. If you don't like the title or the content you ignore it, asking someone to research something that bothers you is funny and out of place.

You don't think for people. Research what you want to research, start a thread on what catches your fancy. Stop trying to make people do what you think, it causes a lot of headache.

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@uspry1

I second you.

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Have you thought about researching on the largest unsolved cases of all innocent Black prisoners who did not commit the crimes back 1960s but all their evidences and witnesses destroyed and never been put them for trials (violated their rights to seek for trials or speak out for themself) by white law enforcements/lawyers in the past?

For example one story about a black lady back 1960s were murdered, accused to black man who killed her, 40 years later, one retired white cop confessed to frame a black innocent man(prisoner). The real 4 white cops killed a black innocent lady who walked on the street carrying her grocery store back to home alone at late night as hate-crime to make fun of black people. (no witness at that time).

This is good example that is how lot of state courts are allowing to reopen unsolved cases to be re-investigate all over 200 innocent black prisoners. 150 were released based on found fake cases/prison records. Left 50 still unsolved.

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The 1967 USS Liberty incident remains an emotionally charged and politically divisive topics in US/Israeli relationship- no doubt.

But, what is the purpose of bringing in it up at this time?

Ever thought of doing an article on other unanswered US incidents, such as JF. Kennedy assasination, FBI spying on MLK/his wife, and Invasion of the Bay of pigs?

I like to know what you think about other topics.

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You give a lot of advice but your biggest problem is applying same to yourself.

Here is an example:

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The right you believe you have to ask me to do the following

is the same right that I have to ask people to enjoy an article so it becomes pure double standard for you complain as reproduced below

The world is in a mess today because many believe they have a right to do one thing and at the same time believe others don't have rights to do same thing or in the extreme they believe others shouldn't have rights at all.

I only wish we stop and ask ourselves why there is usually a disconnect between what we preach and what we practice.

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Not to attack personalities or anything, but why are we constantly urged notr to believe anything we hear on CNN or other western media, yet we're now being spoon-fed articles by unknown people?

Your article indicates a cover-up of the whole incident by the US to avoid a public row with their Middle East Ally (Israel). so why post a misleading title, insinuating that the US had foreknowledge of the attack?

Make attempts to verify your 'inbox' stories before you post 'em.

If you really claim to be unbiased, please kindly refrain from asking us to 'enjoy' the contents of your articles before they are verified.

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I stopped reading the article when i came across the period in question: the ship was bombed during the 6 day war, clearly a case of mistaken identity considering the fact that the ship was in waters controlled by her arab enemies.

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