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Do We Need Another International Airport In Lagos ?

I dont see the use of another  international airport in Lagos that fashola wants to build for the lekki free trade zone,

Why have two international airport, the best idea would be for him to link the current international airport to the free trade zone by a very high class automated sophisticated  rail way transport system and water transport system,

that will be beeter and more meaningful than a new airport,

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Correction there's nothing like "New airbus Dream liner" the Dream liner design is Boeing newest product "B787 Dream liner" while Airbus is the A380 jumbo jet. However, if a B747-800 from British Airways and it cohorts land at MMA everyday, then definitely it can land at MMA with a minor extension to the runway that is if they have space and that is if its necessary. In other words, if MMA has a runway of at least 9,500 ft in length then it can land an A380 and its freighter.

The problem had not always been can an airport land the plane, the question had alway been the cost of associated with landing the plane to the benefit it would provide reason why most U.S. airports had been reluctant to expanding and adjusting their terminal space because of it width and airlines are far more reluctant in buying the plane because how much tickets would you sell on a flight to Break-even on the cost associated with the flight yet make profit?

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I'll prefer another one in Port Harcourt. The PH airport is important. one in Lagos is enough. Each state should have one with or without FG's permission. smaller states can combine and have one together like Benin, Delta can have one in Benin. Ekiti and Ondo can have one. Not international though just local. South can have one Intnl' airport, West one, East one, North one. instead of having someone from Asaba travel to Lagos.

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hello having gone through all your post for and against the the construction of a new airport . i came to realized that most of u guys as never really gotten to understand the whole concept of the project (lekki free trade Zone). it is and integrated new city with all the amenities of a modern city all within the existing Lagos state. look at it as a new Lagos city within the old Lagos city .

it is expect to cater for a potential of 500m people .i.e in-terms of market size across Africa

for this you need world class infrastructure to meet this size .the airport in not meant for the inhabitants of Lagos alone but for all other people from across Africa .now imagine the size when around 10% of the people presently going to Dubai now start coming to Lekki for trade?

there is going to various sectors within the zone that would involve the need for traveling in and out of the country and the importation of raw material and exporting of finished product at a very fast rate .thus the demand for air services will be much and mma can not support.mind u i grew within the MMA environment and i tell u it is getting saturated and limited to the capacity of aircraft it can take .it cannot take the new airbus dream liner.

there will be more cargo flights in and out of the zone at a very rapid rate.

the cost implication to various companies with the New Airport Will make provide some Level of cost Saving

Above all it is a public-private initiative.

there is no need to bother your self you money is not been use.rather the state government is providing enabling enviroment while investors are providing funding.

PLA AS ANY OF YOU BEEN THERE?

cause i have and LET me tell YOU this is very big than what some of you are thinking.

Fashola AS A PLAN

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I'll love an airport on the Island. Chei. moving from the Island to Ikeja to catch a flight

no be small thing.

Usland is like a city on its own and it desrves an airpot. We can start with the local

one

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Lagos does not need another airport just now. The roads need urgent rehabilitation.

Refuse disposal. Drainage. Power supply. Security. Medicals. Education. Beer parlours.

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tunde,

Like i told you still have not told us who is going to build and transfer. your analysis appeals to emotions not factually based. Top Five  Airports in the world and Africa are efficiently owned and managed by government. If you are talking about concession  then its a different ball game.  You dont have all  the facts on ENRON and you are  still arguing about it. You counter arguments with facts not with  emotions. Why do you think that FG is responsible for all Lagos problems? After all Lagos was better managed when it was the capital than the current state of affairs.

However, I was asking about some of these companies pledging millions of dollars. With the exception of Trafigura, the rest seem like Nigeria companies which are fortified with political cronies. One of the companies Telsy Energy Consulting & Investment Limited  has only man as the founder and this is a company that is going to deliver power project. This is another ENRON waiting to happen, cos you are absolving LASG of wasting state's resources on fictitious projects. ENRON's project with LASG was an IPP (Independent Power Project) so saying that Lagos was not supposed to make any money out of it is shear blindness to facts or fallacy.

My issue is that LASG has the same maintenance culture as FG and this well intentioned project will decay once Fashola is out of office

As per Bi-Courtney, they built on existing infrastructure, eg urban planning,MMA1, original architectural and engineering designs. They  built for local airline industries not international. However, power project is not the same thing as  structural engineering. I bet you that companies like Julie Berger may not have expertise on power projects. There is a historical precedent in Nigeria that we have successfully built airports, but no one man company has  ever  built a power company.

Ask deeper questions, U should verify some  of these lies being fed to us by govt.

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ma friend 4rm okitipupa,please dont see it as a contest of words or opinions but likei keep sain on nairaland we are just cross fertilizing ideas and hope to get more info about issue so that we can better our view of things.

I am still sure ure wrong about the enron issue cos lagos state was to subsidise whateva enron is charging and lagos was suppose to get all the generated power from there,but while all those were going on, the FG tru NEPA then started playing politics and am not sure how it all ended but i think even as at last year the FG was still deducting from lagos state monies for wat it wasnt enjoin total benefit.If u decide as a govt to subsidise what ur people use am sure no one can call that a profit making venture cos its a public gesture by the govt.Or u expect the FG to be making monies from petrol when its subsidising it .

Can u pls tell me which airport bi-courtney has managed b4? cos all ur arguments about who build wat is not necessarily right.

Pls get it right,dis airport is not going to be built with lagos monies but lagos will end up being the owner cos its on a BOT arrangement.

One thing i want to tell u is dis ,whether u like m abi u no like am LFTZ will be a success,with or without ur support.chikena

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Your argument lack credibility if you honestly believe say Lagos state government is funding the new airport.

lol @ Lagos is over crowded. so we should stop developing lagos because it's over crowded?

abeg stop the opaks,

But you guys have not provided me with different facts to drive home your argument. Would I  be asking these questions if Dangote wanted to build an airport in Lekki FTZ. I dont know of any major airport in Africa that was not govt funded. Even in the west,  most intl airports are owned and finaced by govt. Dont show me emotion for the love of Lagos, show me some  facts.

Lagos is over crowded, but it needs other things  to be rebuilt not new aiport

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Your argument lack credibility if you honestly believe say Lagos state government is funding the new airport.

lol @ Lagos is over crowded. so we should stop developing lagos because it's over crowded?

abeg stop the opaks,

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tunde,

U still have not answered the question who is going to build the airport if not LASG. What did you mean that ENRON joint venture with LASG was not profit oriented. Its either you are insulated from facts or allergic to them. It was really silly of LASG to investment in ENRON's project without any benefits. Maybe that's why we have follow follow leadership. You sound so clueless on investment. So you mean that LASG just threw millions of dollars into EKO river without anything to show for it? ENRON recouped its investment  by selling it shares and Bola Tinubu and co lost everything.

Would the likes of Trafigura build airport? Its an oil trading company for goodness sake. Do your research and stop feeding us hypes and propaganda. This is a  company that was  responsible for dumping toxic waste in Ivory Coast that killed a lot of people some years ago.

Your analysis of Calabar FTZ is wrong because Lekki is modeled after Dubai which was a dersert before everything came into being, so Calabar offers different alternative to overcrwoded Lagos. Calabar should be a pilot programme for future Naija's FTZs.

Has Telsy Energy Consulting & Investment Limited built a power generating plant before? What's their track record on power plant design and utility?

Does Cornerstone Consultants Limited have any existing power plant in Nigeria? This sounds like another Trancorp and Pentascope in Nigeria.

You should have known that LASG's investment into ECONET is under investigation by EFCC and London Metropolitan Police

Nigeria: (March) Enron's shares in Lagos power plant is sold to AES after government accuses Enron of secrecy and bad faith in contractual obligations. World Bank provides concessional loan to Lagos power plant. World Bank approves loan to privatize Nigeria's power, telecoms, air transport, and Lagos water sectors.

http://www.newswatchngr.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1348&Itemid=42

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=2278

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-79491511.html

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Can someone answer this questions please

1. What is an airport

2. What is an airline

3. Does FG or Lagos State goverments have airlines.

4. Lagos State wants to build another airport because the current one belongs to the FG, is it ok for the FCT Abuja to build its own airport since the current one the Nnmadi Azikwe Airport also belongs to the FG.

5. If No to question 3, why does Lagos State goverment want to build another airport when the current one is under utilised. Secondly who will fly to this airport.

My take is except Lagos State have a lot of planes that will be ferrying passengers all over the place for pea nuts then they can build another airport. I dont see how British Airways, Virgin Atlantic , Arik, Lufthansa, KLM , Air France,  and a host of other airlines increasing their slot from one flight a day to Lagos to 2 a day, one a day each from MM and Lekki Airport. Some of the flights mentioned here even with the one a day slot are still  empty when travelling back to their home destination except for the direct ones.

If 2 slots of direct flights are giving to British Airways , Arik , and Virgin Atlantic I dont think lagos has the financial clout to sustain the passenger levels for 2 direct flights a day knowing that direct flights cost a lot more than indirect flights.

Abuja is able to sustain a direct flight to London because of the large number of high net individuals who travel first and bussiness class. A British Airways flight to London with only about 100 passengers from Abuja with 20 or 25 first class passenger each paying between £5,000 and £7,000 and busines class passenger paying between £1,200 and 1,800 is more profitable than a jumbo with 250 passengers paying £350 or N116,000.00 per passengers from lagos. 

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ma friend 4rm okitipupa is a confuse person,pls can someone help me explain to him what private investment means nd pls how do u make area boys accountable when you didnt appoint them in the first place.

Maybe u have a problem with the man himself abi cos all u have been saying is against the lagos state govt nd not against the or in support of the topic in question.Pls before anyone says anything else on this thread i think they shld know dis has nothing to do with lagos monies.

Maybe you should tell us what private investment means since Fashola is championing this project. Your posted link does not in any way mention that those said companies would pick  up the tab. I think your problem is selective amnesia. Any evidence to show that LASG investments outperformed FG's.  Another  New York wannabe mentality. LASG is  having trouble figuring how to recover its investment in Econet wireless.  Can you tell me how much LASG invested in ENRON and how much it recouped. What happens when Fashola is out of office in next few year?

What  is your understanding of MOU? What is happening in TINAPA? West Africa accounts for only 14% of Africa's air traffic and you can the imagine what's Lagos share of that 14%. MMA is just 7th busiest airport in Africa and handles just above 1/4 of Joburg Aiport air traffic

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Who is them? Must you you guys repeat the same bogus statement?

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how much is tinapa generating at the moment Forza Free trade zone Forza PPPnaija style Hurray Tinapa!

how much is the INTERNATIONAL CARGO IN KWARA/OGUN/GOMBE GENERATING?

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why is it in you in this 21st century?, pls work on your state government if you are too worried about the developments taking place in Lagos. Am not surprised again, that Nigeria has not developed beyond this level, because there are lots and lots of pple and your type that always pull down the wheel of developments in the so called Nigeria entity. Please reduce the font size of your nauseating words.

And the guy that said 3 flights in 6 hours at MMA in Lagos is a bloody liar and am not sure this guy has ever been to MMA or any airports in the world not to talk of boarding a flight in his lifetime. What a fake human being.

we definitely need the new airport in Lagos and link up train and facilities as it is with LHR/LGW. What a source of good revenue to the state.

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Here's the link to the story on the "FTZ"

http://odili.net/news/source/2009/oct/12/213.html

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Its quite appalling that some posters on this thread do not understand that State Governments have no jurisdiction over the Federal Government property. MMA is being run by the Federal Govt. The Lasg cannot put toilet paper in the toilet because it is Federal Govt Property. Secondly Lasg is not building this new Airport, it is going to be built and run by a private company with expertise in the required area. The state govt will only provide a conducive environment for the Airport to be built. An agreement will be made between the State govt and the private company to run the Airport for a number of years after which it be will be handed over back to the Govt.

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It beast me why some of you are still talking about the dirty old and useless MMA.

The rotten airport doesn't belong to the state gov' and they have zero jurisdiction to mess with it.

MMA belongs to the federal government and the place is a poo hole for a reason and the reason is, it belongs to the federal government of Nigeria.

One more time, stop repeating the same useless argument about Fashola wasting money, it's his job to seek investments and jobs for his state, he took an oath to do just that.

He's not spending the state's money on any of these projects.

One more time for the slow people, by law,  he can not re-paint MMA talk less renovate it and MMA is non of his business.

We didn't elect him to cater to federal government's neglects and lousy infrastructures, we elect him to move the state forward, not backward.

Lastly, don't access the new airport if you no like, no be by force.

We need a new airport for a whole lot of reasons and weda you like or you no like, we're getting it.

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Why not simply expand MMA?

Perhaps create another runway, expand the terminal building

and include an integrated transport system for ferrying passengers

from the airport to their final destinations.

I'm sure this would be more cost effective.

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Ditto

I was trying to figure out a polite way to ask @Theblessed to resize her font. FYI it is actually considered rude and insulting to use BOLD. Large Fonts or Vibrant colours in a talk or discussion forum. It is just like YELLING while having a conversation

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let them fix the existing one

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Let all those who are in doubt check out this link from Thisday of today 12-10-2009 and maybe they will understand how dis whole stuff will work.Atlast something good from lagos on behalf of Nigeria

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=156825

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After being a victim of the crass incompetence of the staff at the international airport coupled with the shameful way the airport looks I would really support the buildin gof another one. especially as its a public privae partnership.

As long as FAAN manages the MMIA there is no way it will come up to standard. (No functional air conditioners, no trolleys even after paying for them and then waiting for an hour to collect bags.

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The Blessed,

First, could you please use the same font (color and size) that everyone is using? Your current font is annoyingly distracting and does not add to your substantive arguments. Why don't you get this simple analysis. While private investors with expertise in airport management would be using their resources for the proposed airport, it by no means affect any other govt. initiatives such as fair housing, among others; and your proposition about using the money to construct affordable housing is irrational because you cannot commandeer private investors on how to spend their money. Also it is not a feasible alternative to have govt-run housing-- private developers would do a better job. In prior years, govt. run housing such as the low-cost housing estates constructed during the Jakande regime failed woefully for obvious reasons: they were aesthetically incapacitated, terribly maintained, and circumstances surrounding those low cost buildings help to breed crime.

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ma friend 4rm okitipupa is a confuse person,pls can someone help me explain to him what private investment means nd pls how do u make area boys accountable when you didnt appoint them in the first place.

Maybe u have a problem with the man himself abi cos all u have been saying is against the lagos state govt nd not against the or in support of the topic in question.Pls before anyone says anything else on this thread i think they shld know dis has nothing to do with lagos monies.

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We need the airport, simples

@Theblessed, can you please be a blessing to me by reducing your font size and colour, i would still be able to get your views on the proposed airport

Thank you

But, people saying things about the state needing roads, education etc

The underlying factor here is the Private sector financing this project therefore it does not affect Government coffers,

infact it would even increase Government's revenue through taxes(individual & corporation) which can then be used on education etc

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@poster, I guess you have never been to MMIA at any time in your life that is why you are a dumb Bottom. Don't you think Governor Fashola made a good proposition when he talked about building a standard international airport in Lagos and in the Lekki axis? This will create more job opportunities especially when it is done on a B.O.T basis (Build, Operate and Transfer for your dumb skull), instead of assigning FAAN to upgrade the substandard airports which have been renovated many times.

This will also bring revenue and increased trade to the country and empower Lasgidi to become a hub for airlines in the West African axis. This will be

welcomed by many Lagosians. Let's pray that BTF's plan to incorporate rail into Lagos will come to pass.

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Abi o, How many people travel use MMA, how many people travel by Air in nigeria even

What happened to overpopulation? How are we sure the so called Free trade zone will be successful and why do they need an airport, will the workers there fly to flats in ogba?

how about 4 new bridges tolled to generate revenue and ease traffic.

the state govt should partner neighbouring state govt and private sector for a high speed trains

I really pity the people moving to lekki area, in the near future their neighbourhood will be turned into an overpopulated commercial area with construction and plane noise all over the place

where is the PPP train thats supposed to be operational by 2011 again?

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to ma friend in okitipupa,the lekki free trade zone is not a lagos state funded affair,dat is why u need to shield it from PDP ppl,nd u need to come nd see the stadium the lagos state govt has here in surulere.WORLD CLASS.

and at redsun, there is nobody to put heads together with in Nigeria except average citizens and am sure so many ppl that oppose this development approach re not living in Nigeria that is why your comments have been dis way.Se na yaradull u wan put your head togeda with abi na im vice wey no get portfolio

You still have not answered the question. Who is going to manage this airport when fashola is gone? The LASG  that could not account for  its investment in Econet or the same LASG that cannot hold area boys accountable. LASG is not Fashola. State owned investments do not outperform FG investments.  How much income does LASG stadium generate? By the way who is going to fund this airport if not for the govt?

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I don't have enough information to make an informed judgement on this issue, The question is why do we need a new international Airport in Lagos??

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It gives some of us jobs, abeg.

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IGNORANT OF is the fact that Texas is almost twice the size of California so I said "Half a dozen and you said NO its six". Get your facts together. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area

Back to the topic, Most cities with more than one airport are facilitating Thousands of flights a day. MMA can barely handle 20 international flights a day not because of the size of the airport but because of the Incompetence of the Airport Staff and lack of Structural Maintainance of the facility. So do you think building another airport that will be built with inferior materials (cos the bulk of the money will end up in politicians pockets) will fix the problem?? NO! all you will have is another poorly maintained airport with incompetent staff AGAIN!!

Solution: Upgrade and maintain the one we have till we Maximize its potential.

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From the way things are going the MMA is not going to be enough. Most cities in the USA have more than 5 airports so the issue of creating additional airport for Lagos is not to be misunderstood because for many years, Lagos has proved to be an international centre for trade and business.

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I didnt do more than B.Sc but i sure do understand dis issue more than so many ppl here.

The lagos state govt isnt using ur money to build a new airport,but monies from private establishment nd yet ppl go on saying govt shld focus on other things,atleast they re focusing on sometin.

They say d airport is for the free trade zone nd u guys re asking for a subway,subway to the uk or wat? If wat u mean is a means of transportation to nd from the airport then i say YES ! but the govt already has a rail project from badagry to CMS and maybe to the new airport,nt MMA (PDP/BICOURTNEY)owned am sure of dat afta GAT

Let all those sayin its not necessay tell me how they will deal with an FG dat sees everytin good as politics nd a cheap way of being noticed.pls if u dont reside in Nigeria dont waste ur time cos u will miss it, u guys dont understand the politics of development in Nigeria.

Ask prof utomi about his rail project from LAGOS TO CALABAR that has been hanging for years becos of abuja politicians.

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Government of the elites,by the elites and for the elites. I think I should hear him talk about, PSP for the Educational sector,Health Sector, Infrastructures (its only the flowers that are drinking water) Those Fashola Loyalist don't know how much Lagos state is making compare to his "lets shout" projects. (Clearance of oshodi has been the major achievement) Decay in the Educational sector can be stopped,water can be provided in this Aqua State. We are not asking for too much,let there be Vocational centers for the less privilege ,let celebrate the 900 days or what next with smiles on the faces of less privileges. affordable housing can be achieved.

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The one we have is yet to be maintained in the world class. . . doing good job lately, but more can still be done.

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yes we need another airport in Lagos; the idea of a speed train from the zone to lekki will create more problem than building an airport, because the land for the airport is already available but for the train, we need to bring down several buildings creating another need for compensation; costing the state more money. We need an airport with duty free facility.

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.As big as Lagos is,there should be at least two Airport.It going to help in developing Lagos the more and to really meet up with International standard i.e Lagos itself.Please if you dont agree with this,"tell me how many Airports are in New York city or Singapore?"those are the places we have to be comparing Lagos with not with baby state which just started developing yesterday.Although I'm not from Lagos but Lagos is like the capital city of Yoruba land.Eko oni baje o.

Some people think from their Bottom sha, u have one flight every 4 or 5 hours in the night yet u want build another airport, looks like if Fashola wants to build poo holes akala style some people here would still praise him yet Akala is the butt of all jokes.

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So many Nigerians does not really know what they want.As big as Lagos is,there should be at least two Airport.It going to help in developing Lagos the more and to really meet up with International standard i.e Lagos itself.Please if you dont agree with this,"tell me how many Airports are in New York city or Singapore?"those are the places we have to be comparing Lagos with not with baby state which just started developing yesterday.Although I'm not from Lagos but Lagos is like the capital city of Yoruba land.Eko oni baje o.

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This is not necessity this money can be used on other things if this new airport is not necessary as it appears to be.

Let Government focus all their attention on Education, Road and Security with these three points, we can move forward, not new airport(Although not bad Idea if is what Graduates, common man in the street needs) .

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Every major city has an intercity airport and another one on the side, Lagos shoudl definetely have another airport, but not inside the city. E.g Heathrow is on the outskirts of London, here is the Newark airport near New York.

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Yes of course. Am tired of the pilot's announcement: " we are number 6 for landing please be patient".

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Hello All,

With the current craze to build airports by lagos state government, this article below will serve as a timely warning. If a near-developed country like South Korea can make these mistakes, we are clearly not immune.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8055957.stm

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Hey @jingoma  Nigeria is about twice the size of California and not the size of Texas, pls do not

post what you are not sure of again

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This Nigerian disease will never be cured - corruption.  You see, Nigerians like new things - new car, new trains, new buildings, new shopping malls and the list goes on. And now, a new Airport alongside an old one, how funny! Yet, Nigerians are poor at maintaining any thing.  Maintaining equally efficient facilities they have is a no, no to them! What is wrong in modernising and maintaining what we already have when the West do it all the time?  Tell me, how is that wrong?  Because, corruption is so embedded under their skin, they are too clever at come up with these crazy ideas - a strategy to un-focus our attentions and divert money where we did not ask them usually, into their own private interests. What a country!!! We are no fools!  You can make fools of us every day but one day will be ours!

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Igbo this, Igbo that.

@ topic,

Has the environmental problems in Lagos, been solved yet? Why add more complications to the already existing and numerous environmental problems in Lagos State. The Lagos State Ministry of Environment surely do not know their onions.

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to ma friend in okitipupa,the lekki free trade zone is not a lagos state funded affair,dat is why u need to shield it from PDP ppl,nd u need to come nd see the stadium the lagos state govt has here in surulere.WORLD CLASS.

and at redsun, there is nobody to put heads together with in Nigeria except average citizens and am sure so many ppl that oppose this development approach re not living in Nigeria that is why ur comments have been dis way.Se na yaradull u wan put ur head togeda with abi na im vice wey no get portfolio

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Even so, I understand brother but I say give the under dog a chance because, Lagos is not the only city we have!

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It is the poor countries like nigeria as always that will suffer more from climate changes and degradations.We should be thinking more towards the slow side of the bleeping jet and fast age and sensibly curtail our green house gases emissions.

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