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Does America Earn The Right To Police The World? Is it a Divine Duty?

Does America earn the right to police the world?

If you think so, what is the UN doing for us all then?

Do you think the UN has become irrelevant?

I have a political science friend who told me America is fulfilling a moral and political role in pursuing the fights they have in Iraq and other places.

He sees it as a fight against the anti christ. That America is carrying out a devine duty.

Well I don't see much of what they are doing except bullying oil rich nations and imposing puppet regimes on them.

Is America really saving the world from a relentless onslaught of terrorists from the middle east or they a just an oil hungry nation of smart alecs.

What or who gave America the right to save us from terrorists?

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TayoD,

Alright. We'll do it later.

Have a good day. Smile.

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Dru,

We'll chat more about this some other time as I've got to run.

In any case, who is the Bible refering to in Psalm 82? I'm surprised by the way you condemn people to hell despite the fact that they are beilievers in Christ.

Just to let you know I disagree with you as I believe the Lord's return is in two stages. the first is the coming for the church and the second is when He comes to judge.

Fianlly, someone gave us the opportunity to discuss religion on a political forum by bringing God into this topic.

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4play,

Kindly look at the topic title again. It's about where politics and religion.

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TayoD,

Psalm 82 never mentions any human beings as god, at all. The fact that you think it calls "people", lil gods -- even though it never mentions humans as gods. Just shows how it could be possible that you are being led by interpretations of the bible, rather than what the scriptures ACTUALLY SAY.

It happens to all of us. So don't feel bad about it. Be determined to defeat it and hear from God more clearly about what the bible REALLY SAYS.

Outside of the church, the Holy Spirit is on the earth and is not dependent on human beings to accomplish the Will of God. Read Genesis Chapter 1.

Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Clearly no humans and clearly the Spirit of God was here on Earth.

Because this world age ends at the same time as Jesus returns for His church.

I know you believe a lot of things that are contrary to this like a 7 year tribulation where Jews are saved and given their land. But their beliefs of your religion and not what the bible teaches.

You probably are going to be surprised by this because apparently you have not dug that deep into what the bible actually says.

But dispensationalism has been considered a false tenet of Christianity for a very long time.

Some rather old and widely loved and proven world famous Christians have denounced dispensationalists as people on their way to hell.

Sorry. I know how shocking this must be to you.

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Dru,

I think you need to slow down a little bit. I really don't understand how you link up this issue with the scripture that claims all of God's children are gods (Psalm 82). Besides, I have no problem calling myself what the Bible calls me. That is my understanding of humility - subjecting my thoughts and ideas to the Bible.

You talk about the Holy Spirit doing the job alone. Can you please tell us how else the Holy spirit works on earth without the involvement of His Church? And how come there is a taking away of the church when this event happens?

There is a dispensational requirement that makes it mandatory for the church to be outta here before the anti-christ can be fully manifest. In that sense, the church also restrains his appearing. But what do I know?

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@Easyy

There is nothing like a shrinking US market unless u mean that US exports are growing slower than exports but that is mainly because the US has fewer trade restrictions than most countries in the world.In other words it is easier to import into the US than for the US to export to other countries.Remeber that the US economy has grown from a GDP of 1 trilion dollars in 1979 to 11.4 trillion dollars at present and rising.

Don't forget that there has been a massive drawdown of US troops prescence in foreign countries since the end of the cold war that helped foster the 90s booom because of the cost saving .Has US economic influence softened since then ?No.

An influx of proffesionals is beneficial for the US economy ,since like any developed economy,its greatest resource is human resource unlike commodity dependent economies in Africa such as Nigeria.For the US human resource is to it what oill is to Nigeria.It is stated US policy to attract professionals,hence the Green Card policy.

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TayoD,

There is no support for such thinking in the Book of Thessolonians.

The idea comes from pure speculation of christians.

And as I said on the religious board, when me and somebody (I don't remember who) discussed the idea.

My belief that the Holy Spirit, Period, not through the church, stops the AntiChrist, is in fact what Christians have always believed for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Adding "through the church" is new.

It was added to go along with the new prosperity gospel idea that in fact "Christians are little gods."

A belief that is AntiChrist.

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@Drusilla,

Before you run away and give your meaning to what I said, please kindly sit down and re-read my post which has a scriptural backing in the Book of Thessalonians.

The emphasis in my statement is the Holy Spirit and not the Church. The Church (as in Christians) is the temple of the Holy Spirit who restrains the evil one. The Bible says when he that letteth is taken out of the way (a reference to the rapture) then we shall see the anti-christ's full manifestation. If you have contrary biblical understanding of this, please share it. I am still a student, and not a teacher of the Bible.

Though this is a political forum, I had no choice but to go "religious" because of the accusation made at Christians here.

@Easyy,

I agree a little bit with your views but have you spoken to any real Economist who have analysed the economic impact on other nations of the withdrawal of U.S. into her borders? With respect to trade, the shortfall will be on other countries and not the U.S. With respect to Professionals, the U.S. is actually short of them right now. This much I can tell you 'cos I'm in that field and we experience the negative effect of that shortfall on an on-going basis.

Where did you get the impresion that the American market is shrinking? Get your facts right, it is growing. The greatest ambassador of American culture today is not its military, it is Hollywood. So your argument is totally baseless.

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It is not common sense. It is economic sense. If those guys are not abroad, less people will be exposed to American ways of life and less people will desire American produce with the resutant implication being that the already shrinking American market will shrink further.

It is also not just about the imbalance(deficit) in trade but what it generates for the economy. It is not what it imports but what flows into the US economy in total, including skilled immigrants like you and I.

An influx of professionals does not necessarily become beneficial because what's likely to happen is a situation in which you have under-employed skill sets. Talk to any proper economist.

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Ibexy,

I have highlighted the words, I would not agree with.

This idea that Christians are here saving the world instead of Christ, is a rather new belief and it generally only exists amongst pentacostals. (prosperity gospel folks)

Only such a babylonian/laodician church would even mock God by claiming that they are spiritually holding the antiChrist back.

When it is so obvious to others, that in fact the antiChrist is mostly who you meet in these churches.

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Lewa,

Yes, I see a similarity.

America has discovered that they do not even need a stable government in these third world countries to extract the goods. Somalia, Iraq, Korea, Vietnam.

Angola, Liberia, Rwanda, the list goes on and on.

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@Tayo D and Drusilla

You people should take your theological debates somewherelse

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Yes i forgot Somalia?

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Propaganda can never wash!Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq?Any one seeing the flow please?Similarities?

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Gaby,

Be careful to listen to my rhetoric. I specified that no "outside" force could take America down.

Like the terrorists, I understand, you will have to actually come into America, or be here already, to be a threat to her.

Americans understand this as well, that is why they have put Hispanics on notice, that they are about to be marched out of this country. They know you have to really be an "insider", to bring America down.

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I wasnt suprised at this at all, i am still wondering what DRUSILLA really is, sometimes i think she's a real blondie, Never read anything from her that made any sense all around this forum,

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@Ibexy,

@Easyy,

2) North Korea will test its next nuclear weapon on the streets of South Korea

3) The U.S. military personnel will have more than ample opportunties to contribute to the economy.  I have colleagues who are serving now in Iraq.  They are engineers whose services we are in dire need of at home.

4) If the military is unproductive as you claim, at least the tax dollars needed to provide them with welfare at home will not be as great as it's taking now abroad. And that means a surplus budget.

5) Perhaps, speaking hpothetically, the outsourcing of cheap labour to China will no longer be necessary since there'll be more than enough hands at home to do the job.  Another economic impact for some other nation.

Someone also said America only goes to countries with oil.  Can you please tell us how much oil reserves is available in Somalia?

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really?.

no wonder you are still chasing a man with beard and an AK47 about the caves

yea thats why you are always quivering when north korea test their bombs

yea tell that to the millions of children in africa, evading rebels and militias

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Hell no America has no right whatsoever to police the world and its no divine duty, i wonder why religious inclination has to be a yard stick for proving to be a bully,

Divine from what auspicies, if it's divinely ordained by the God of the the Christians or he Bibile,why wouldnt the muslims or muslim countries not have the same divine ordination?

It is become become obvious that American Democracy is not meant for every country or people of the world and shouldnt be imposed or any one country as a model for good governance, what has happened to live and let live, I wonder why The U.S thinks they can successfully impose their model of democracy in the Middle-east if no sinister motive was intended, it is apparently obvious even to the blind that these are just a different people who's way of life and model of governance is different from what America preaches as the best form of Governance,

All these are borne out of sheer greed and arrogance and America's sworn enemies have simply refused to say no to the bullyings and are prepared to go to any lenght to prove that they will refuse to be cajoled into accepting a way of life that is contrary to their own ways,

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Here goes a typical American mentality and meanwhile a great deal of her citizens are so ignorant of the happenings outside their country,

So funny where was your America when 4 aircrafts were hijacked and slammed into her landmarks by folks who have no big empires or nuclear weapons, spare me those rhetorics my friend,

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Ibexy,

The question is kinda of an oxymoron. America of course controls the UN.

Here is the cold hard facts about America being the policeman of the world.

We spend 400 times more on defense than all 7 of the next most powerful countries, put together.

Nobody else has 40,000 or so Nuclear bombs. Whatever.

We have troops in 2/3rds of the world's countries.

The American Empire is so big and far reaching.

You can sleep well at night.

America will never be taken down from the outside world, the rest of the world is too militarily weak.

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even more bullshit. What has saying that invading and occupying Iraq was complete lunancy got to do with Patriotism or who should be the next world power. And Allie nations wanting America to stay is not news or a revelation, its why they are our bleeping Allies. Noone sees EVERYTHING America does in a bad light. But make no mistake, when it comes to foreign policy in the last 150 years, America has the WORST RECORD on the planet. It has toppled more governments and influenced more countries and supported and proped up more brutal dictators than any other nation combined all across the world. Its the expert at political assasinations. And its only just war was when we where attacked in world war ii and we responded (the one time our military DEFENDED the country, its the defense department remember?).

And sure America invaded iraq to save the people. Just like Vietnam. Half of the tiny Bottom country called vietnam was turning communist while across the boarder 1 BILLION Chinese turned communist. And yet we invaded the country with a couple million Commies and just let the 1 billion chinese carry along. And half a century later those Commie Chinese are our biggest financial and bussiness partners. SO MUCH FOR THE COMMUNIST THREAT.

Read up on American history my friend before spewing bullshit rhetoric about the United States. Americans are the most brainwashed and warped people on the planet. How else do you explain a nation who used the atomic bomb twice and has a nuclear arsenal of every other naton combined times a 1000 telling another nation they will not stand for a nation to build a nuclear reactor for power in the midst of open inspections and enforce treaty regulations. How about we open up our nuclear facilities for inspections? Oh wait, the world doesnt even know where half of our arsenal even is. But we are the good guys right? RIGHT?

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Buchio, what real human rights records does America have except that of ensuring that the middle class white majority is respected while the black people can be trodden upon. The fact that you have never been subjected to inhuman treatment is not to say it does not exist. Is this not the same America which castigated a journalist for publishing the atrocities of it's soldiers in Iraq?

what we get to hear are the negative things about Nations which are not particularly friendly to America.

You mentioned bullying by China. China has not done a hundredth of the bullying that America does to the rest of the world

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It is pure and unadulterated that if U.S interests are in any country they protect it with every necessary tool available to them, the same way nigeria protected its interests in oil in sao tome and principe. , so why begrudge them that? it is wat happend in iraq (first and second war) and happened in vietnam(at a calamitous cost)

I agree also with4play that americas intervention does not automatically translate to success or saving of lives e.g. iraq,vietnam but it has helped to maintain a balance of power between nations so as to forestall a country being overrun by despots e.g. south korea vs north korea

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the same china that has been bullying taiwan to merge with it? the same china that has one of the worst human rights records in the world? I dont know which china you mean my brother but if it the numero uno china i knw,then forget abt being better than america.

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America has earned the right to police the world by promoting their interests everywhere. It is not a divine duty; infact some bible scholars have predicted that in the end times, America will suddenly become irrelevant in world affairs and become isolated. But till then let them enjoy. At least they are better than Nigeria who spends more in other countries only for those people to slap us in the face time and time again.

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Who is selling Iraqi oil? Al Sadr?Al Maliki? Big OIL?

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@IBEXY

You have to be gullibe to believe  outright what the Palestinians had to say about a private conversation with President Bush.Strangely there is no record of President Bush ever telling anyone,not even members of his local church,that God commanded him to invade nations.Off alll the people he had to tell,it was a group of Palestinian muslims.

 

@Sango

The point is not that people will automatically stop dying when American troops come into their country.The point is that the world will not be a better place if American troops pull out from everywhere.The places I mentioned will not be  better places if American troops were to pull out.Why do you think that in Iraq,South Korea and Japan,their respective govts all want American troops to stay.Do u have a better grasp of these countries security interests than their policy makers.

The fact of the matter is that their is knee jerk anti-Americanism which is popular in the modern world.A tendency to see everything America does in a bad light,especially the Bush adminstration.People who think that China will be a better superpower have not heard of Tibet,Uighur muslims,the Falun Gong.In China you can not worship God freely,no democracy,freedom of speech or anything like the various liberties that Nigerians aspire for.   

P.S-America invaded Iraq for oil-A regular accusation I have heard.Can anyone give me a knowledgeable and plausible explanation of how American oil interests are furthered by the invasion.

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Thanks Shango.

4play has been fed too much American propaganda

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every single point you made is bullshit

people do not stop killing themselves and conflicts do not resolve just because the US has military bases in the country. Look at Iraq. We have military bases there and people are getting killed by the thousands.

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4Play, thanks.

Before American forces got to Afghanistan, it was a country run by the Taleban, not that it was properly run but it did not disturb anybody else. BTW I was not initially against American invasion of Afghanistan, I now feel disturbed by it.

What will happen if South East Asia, Korea and Japan go nuclear and how do you know that's what will happen? Anyone could have argued in the past that America will also turn the world into a chaotic ground if it possessed nuclear weapons (it's actually doing so now).

I am beginning to think China as a super power might be better than America which bullies everyone and uses it's media and public relations mechanism to spread false propaganda. A propaganda in which any opposing view is seen as terrorist or part of the axis of evil as concocted by war monger Bush

If America never destroyed every infrastructure in Iraq in order to send it's personnel there, there will be no such fiasco in Iraq.

Why are American troops not in Congo and other African countries plagued by conflicts? Perhaps, they do not have economic benefits to George Bush's America

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@4play

in as much as i understand there point of view but they just havent understood the implication if america isnt playing its policing role.

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@Easy

If America withdrew all of its forces from abroad it will be disastrous for the world.

In South East Asia,Japan and South Korea will go nuclear as the only thing keeping them from doing so is the security guarantees that they have from the United States.So also will Taiwan.

In Afghanistan,the Taleban will take over and turn the country into a terrorist sanctuary where gruops like Al-Qaeda will have the freedom to operate.

In Iraq,the Govt of Noura Al-Maliki will collapse and the country will descend faster into genoicidal ethnic conflict resembling Burundi and Rwanda in the mid 90s

In Kosovo and Bosnia,the fragile peace btw the various ethnic groups will severely tested

In summary,any withdrawal of US forces around the world will precipitate disaster on a scale never seen before.Even a movement in the US towards isolationism will be detrimental to world peace

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If you hav followed my write up,u wld remember me saying that i felt the invasion of iraq was rash and foolhardy which the republicans r paying for now in the local politics.

@ easy

ur destination like always is just to state dat american big business will lose profits if the war ends so dont keep asking me wat will happen,

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America as the sole superpower has a unique role in international affairs.It provides 20 percent of UN funding,80 percent of world humanitarian food aid and 22 percent of the Global economy.

I prefer having the United States as the sole superpower than any other country.Would you rather have China?

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what would happen if America recalls all of it's military personnel stationed abroad?

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@nilla

we will just be going back and forth on this argument. I will just end this by saying this, america has a right to defend itself and its interests just d same way naija defended its interest in sao tome. 3000 + lives(INNOCENT LIVES)was lost in 9/11 courtesy of radicals who felt they had to prove a point the same way north korea is going abt proving its point by testing nuclear weapon. I shudder if the arsenal of these terrorist goes to handling wmds too.

I also have reservations on how some policies especially under this administration is carried out but that does nt change the fact that there r some countries run by despots who r incapable of reasoning positively. They shd be curtailed frm amassing these weapons(i.e. despotic regimes.

which country do u feel enjoys losing soldiers to war? definitely nt america

why shdnt i talk abt there intervention? the acted in world war II because dey believed they were going to be next target if britain n other allies fell to d germans,

@nilla

I dont have iraq on the list because saddam who was the central theme behind iraqs invation is no longer a factor .

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Buchio,

The fact that America lost a lot of money executing the Iraq war is a lot of bollocks. The loss was mainly in terms of weaponry and military amunition. The loss is not a real loss as the govt's loss is internal and being fed upon by american private companies. That's not particularly a loss. It is a shift of wealth from Govt to private hands within the same economy.

You should answer the question, what would happen if America recalls all of it's military personnel stationed abroad? What would happen if America's military industry was to be made redundant in the event of worldwide peace?

Back to the topic on thread, it appears that America has set a precedent, if Iran becomes the most powerful nation in the world at some point later, it will also attack all nations who are seen as it's economic and political opponents.

Bullying is the American way of doing things. NOW, dont remind me about any benefit of the WW becos that should not be the justification for killing innocent people worldwide.

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interesting point Easyy

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All of una thank you.

I strongly believe the American economy will crumble if there was peace in the world hence the need for them to beat drums of war. The military is the biggest industry in America. If there is no war to fight or prepare for, there will be nothing for several hundreds of thousands of Americans to feed on.

Think about it, if America was to recall every one of it's military personnel serving abroad, what would they be able to do productively?

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You believe deep down in you that the invasion of Iraq was a ruse to settle whaetever scores US had with Iraq. Recent events have revealed the claim of Weapons of Mass dectruction was delibrately drummed up to seek justification.

How can a lying, bullying nation get moral justification to fight evil.

The UN can play the same role if US would give 100% support as is meant to be. Or dont u think?

Why was the UN set up? Who is the greatest threat to the existence of UN today? Maybe its America once again.

If America would throw their weight behind the UN instead of pursuing solo, selfish exploits, dont u think the UN would for once live up to expectation.

The same America will be the first to defy and even challenge this same institution they helped set up to profer world peace.

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yes they have assumed a self induced sense of moral compass , blahh, blah, blah but dont forget that dey have managed in a lot of way to aid in checking a lot of distasteful stuff that has gone on in the world,

noone my broda but who else do u think that can fight them? or who do u feel has d will to embark on same?

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Some christian fanatics think its divine intervention since they have concluded that the antichrist will come from the middle east.

President Bush frequently uses this false claim to good advantage. Trust a politician.

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Are you surprised.

They have always needed an enemy number one.

Without one they are nothing.

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No they don't but its reality because they have alot of power, what happened to the good old days when Russia threatened their power? lol Let's face it, we are in a Unipolar world

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