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Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ?

The statistics tell it all, Highest poverty , infant and mortality mortality and illiteracy  rate in Nigeria. When you add religious violence and general unwillingness to cooperate with the rest of the country on matters that could possibly bring about development, one is left to ask what exactly is the purpose of the contraption called Nigeria ?

When major Gideon Okar, a man categorized as northerner split Nigeria into two in his address to the nation after a botched coup attempt back in the 80s, we all celebrated. But would severing all links with these people bring about the final solution ? If we say Nigeria must remain one, can we truly see a change in mindset of a people that appear not to believe in the same values as the rest of the country : education, female emancipation, freedom of religion etc. ?

I'd really like people of hausa extraction to contribute as this will help discussion gain a dimension that's usually lacking.

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My question is simple:

Can the sane Northerners influence their insane brothers (those who wake up in the morning, put chewing stick in their mouth, carry a machete and go looking for a church to burn or a Christian to kill) to stop behaving like savage barbarians?

I know there are well educated and enlightened Northerners, but don't they have any influence on the horde of marauding murderers rampaging Northern Nigeria?

Thank you.

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@citizenY

Take my advice and do something better with your time. Some people have a lot in common with donkeys

Do you know why donkeys are considered stupiid?

Because it is hard to make a donkey do the right thing; it wants to do what IT wants to do. it tries to avoid activities it finds difficult, frightening or painful. Donkeys are very good at being donkeys.

Now who does this donkey remind you of?

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The above is pertaining to the sudanese situation, Nigeria could slip down that road if we don't break up.

[url=http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/12/17/sudan-preparing-for-a-peaceful-southern-secession/]

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate-uk/2009/12/17/sudan-preparing-for-a-peaceful-southern-secession/[/url]

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You are not asking anythig new yourself. Hausa people have a problem, when they begin to see what the rest of us have been seeing for years then you can come back and talk to me. But like the stance that more advanced nations have adopted pertaining to such matters,"I REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS"

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Rephrase ur question- Is it possible for hausa muslims to advance? The answer is NO! Pigs would sooner fly.

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@Mr. Edoyad,

You are not saying anything new and ignoring the crux of the matter. How do we wean you from this fixation

of yours. In communicating with you on this platform, I am trying to understand your mindset but you are just

harping on the same note. Agreed you have a grievance, so do we all, either with ourselves or the system but

do we throw all overboard? No. The first step is to recognise the intrinsic good in any human not just lump him

with everyone, the good the bad and the ugly. Secondly, understand what he stands for and how it differs

your world view. Thereafter you can devise the means of arriving at mutually acceptable rules of engagement .

I am really trying to reach out to you but your anger keeps getting in the way. I feel there must be a way in which

I can really feel your pulse and get you to see what i also feel, only on my part, I have no hard feelings against

your religion or people as a group. In the same vein I have no hard feelings on the views you hold personally.

I feel we have reached a certain position in this discourse where we cannot move forward. This explains comments above.

Can I reach you?

Thank You.

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The age of philosophy has been replaced with real pragmatic approaches based on scientific proof Almajiri Y, so i urge you to shove your fatalistic belief that in time "Allah" will come and deliver you and yours from the rot you've ignorantly opted to remain in.

You tell me progress is being made amongst your people; but all empirical data available controverts that assertion. Millions of school age boys roaming the streets from kaduna to kebbi with plastic containers in arms singing for alms and all your so called elite can present to the nation is the implementation of sharia. Does that border around making progress to rational mind ?

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@edoyad

I might understand your anger because you have experienced the violence and destruction by some Hausas.

But hate and anger is not the answer. it will only continue to feed the vicious cycle until all hell is let loose.

And when it gets to that stage, we never have any winners. Only losers. Everybody is going to lose things that mean a lot to them,

There is always another way, but only if we are willing to work together and find it.

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@Ikeyman00

Hi, man no see ya breaklight before xmas, you and josboy4life and so i had to be at west of mines alone

for d roasted tilapia. I tried to get you but you must have moved to the nrth pole.

Look. make you no try me this year Oh. I go break ya head. see this kaduna man don join you.

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Mr Edoyad

Nobody can deny you your progress but for how long? There is something called manifest destiny and appears that you do

not recognise that each stage of success must have an association with ones immediate environment/circumstance.

In this context, individual advancement without an all-encompassing leap amounts to very little. You cannot be an island and

it is too late to choose your neighbours. Your efforts should be towards detente and bridge building to find lasting solutions to

these matters that you feel very bad about.

I see you are using a lot of sophistry to shroud the inherent inconsistencies that abound in your immediate environment but

the rosy picture you are painting is not in existence as your place is no nirvana and is of course no location in heaven. We all know that

environment. You can tell that to other Nairalanders, whose only trip to the north is through the screens of their laptops, ably

supported by doses of vitriol/ commentaries from rabid and prejudicial locals.

I am sure you will give me the credit of accepting that all is not well and that efforts must be made to correct the situation and that is being

done, only it will take time and resources. The same time it took to bring us to where we are today, despite our differences. Things have not

always been like this.

Taunt me anyhow you can but in the final analysis , the future is encapsulated in the womb of time and we know where the aces belong - on

the side of the peacemakers and your stance does not convey you as one.

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@Aisha

So incredible to see an Hausa person online. I thought you people live only in the bush rearing cows.

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Almajiri/Alhaji Y, first of all the temporary glow of this hot head is not subsiding any time soon, that i can you .

The turbanned chief of my village is called the kpop ham, a traditional title that is not a pseudo arabic counterfeit in the manner of an emir or soultan. He has educated children with literate subjects who thank God for making them what they are in their various churches on sunday. None and i repeat nobody from on village is and will ever be a beggar on the streets of any town in Nigeria, can you say the same about your extended family not to mention your village.

Right now in my town are the remnants of children of hausa christian villages from kano state seeking refuge from their persecutors who refused them a decent education till they converted to Islam.

Do you want to deny that pockets of christian villages in hausa state suffer this type of persecution from the almajiri culture ?

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Mr. Edoyad

Have you heard the story of the pot and the handle? All of them are on the fire. i expect you

to be intelligent enough to decode it., unless your irrationality has made you blind.  Criticism

is good and acceptable in good faith but when you do not see good in any person, then

it becomes something else.

I will not stop you from enjoying your temporary glow of being  a hot head and hope with time

you will mellow down and  see more clearly. I refuse to see you and your people ( the cave earlier mentioned)

as inconsequential in the scheme of things and wish you well.  This exuberance will fade away. That is why i referred you

to your chiefs wearing turbans. It is and honest advise.

Your infinite progress is nothing when compared to the progress of your  immediate clan. You

are well advised to extend the living condition of your dog to your hometown.

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Mr. Edoyad

Have you heard the story of the pot and the handle? All of them are on the fire. i expect you

to be intelligent enough to decode it., unless your irrationality has made you blind. Criticism

is good and acceptable in good faith but when you do not see good in any person, then

it becomes something else.

I will not stop you from enjoying your temporary glow of being a hot head and hope with time

you will mellow down and see more clearly. I refuse to see you and your people ( the cave earlier mentioned)

as inconsequential in the scheme of things and wish you well. This exuberance will fade away. That is why i referred you

to your chiefs wearing turbans. It is and honest advise.

Your infinite progress is nothing when compared to the progress of your immediate clan. You

are well advised to extend the living condition of your dog to your hometown.

Your education and enlightenment has not been able to temper base instincts and it

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Thank you mr cold, i hope the subject in question heeds to advice. I will take my leave now so i can rest to resume my campaign tomorrow.

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No u're not spewin diatribes & u have even stated ur case mildly.The state of mind of the average hausa man leaves much to be desired.The idea of the hausa tribe advancing in the true sense of the word is only an exercise in futility,u'll die trying

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So you are also a dumbass that cant answer tough questions. You get big mouth to talk rubbish but are afraid to tackle tough questions

Wily Wily disgraced niger delta terrorist you are now officially in my list of illiterate, big mouth, i wan talk i wan talk posters.

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@cold please tell us more so it doesn't look like one is just spewing tribalistic diatribes without knowing what i speak of.

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I'v not had the time to go thru all the posts here but the problem of the Hausa/fulani can be summed in diz words 'a hopless case'.If u can maq a ram sensible then u can change the mindset of these group of degenerated & retrogressive people.I'v lived  all my life & has transversed the length & breadth of the north & i hav neva seen a people who despise progress like it was a life threatenin disease.They do not want to progress or see others progress.It's truly a hopeless case

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who cares you all are terrorist

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@real4life,

we are pleading, please get out from this forum no one want you here, you are out cast. just get out.

you and your fellow hausa/Fulani desert rats are a disgrace. Go back to your grandfathers homeland in Chad or Niger Rep.

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They killed 3 innocent people in cold fighting for their oil, your own people go to peoples land and want to kill and steal what is not their own in the name of Allah.

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you wish! useless oil terrorist you better come and kidnap me if you are tired of hearing the truth.

how much did they pay you after killing three innocent people in cold blood

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Wilywily you just take your time before i start with you too this evening, some people have touched the wrong nerve on me i swear.

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Edoyad,  highly commended how you disowned those dirty stinking Hausa/Fulani desert Rats,

@real4life, Desert Rate no one want to have anything to do with you people. better for you to just get out from this forum, outcast.

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In the first place I didn't want to response to this thread, being not a Hausa, only having regional and political affiliation with the people that are called Hausa, untill I discovered the Poster himself seems to be from the same region with the Hausa people, and which I am sure, he speaks Hausa more fluently than he speaks his" Mother Tongue".

Having said that, with all due respect to the poster, I do not think, any person from Africa, black Africa, have the guts to open his mouths and say the that Hausa people will never advance, let alone a person who shares backyard with the Hausa people. While an average educated Nigerian, considers such comments, if made by a white man or an Asian as racist, he sees them as the truth nothing but the truth, when they think and say such to thinks about a Hausa man.

Personally I dont subscribe to superiority of race, let a lone superiority of tribal affliation, but it is a norm here, and if a person is not careful, if he has slight emotional attachment to his ethnic nationality, he will be drawn into the arguement.

To the Poster, your thoughts, understanding and your discription, will not matter in big scheme of things. Instead of dwelling with hatred, you should direct your passion towards seeing what should be done about the general problem afflicting the Nation.

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I'm actually from an off shoot of nok known as ham or jaba. The riot in the 90s was actually done by the kataf people when the enemies tried to impose themselves on the poor people, they had to react to their evil scheme.

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The people of Southern Kaduna and Plateau state have always suffered when the seasonal almajiri madness grips their Hausa / Fulani neighbours.

The Hausa / Fulani are Nigeria's problem. bleeping terrorists.

Edoyad, are you Kataf?

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For the hausa tribe to advance is like a pregnant camel passing through the eye of the needle!

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Amen so next time you see your kaduna brother killing someone make sure you stop him

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Wilywily this is not a matter of wrong or right, how can nonentities just attack people on their own land like unchained wild dogs ? And then they have the effrontery to come here and talk crap ? I am done condoning anything they have to say.

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News flash: Wily Wily your brothers have released your hostages while you are busy making noise on nairaland. Have they paid you?

Abducted Britons and Colombian freed in Nigeria

Three Britons and a Colombian kidnapped a week ago in Nigeria's Delta region have been freed, police have said.

Gunmen snatched the group, who were working for oil giant Shell, near the city of Port Harcourt last Tuesday, killing a Nigerian guard.

A police spokeswoman told AFP news agency all four had been released and were "looking ok".

The oil-producing region is notorious for kidnappings by militants, who demand a greater share of its wealth.

But the Delta has been relatively calm since most major militant groups agreed to lay down their arms last year after the government offered an amnesty.

Shot dead

This is the first violent attack on foreigners in the region for many months.

The Nigerian gunmen snatched the four workers last Tuesday morning as they made their way to work at a power plant, police said.

Their police escort was shot dead and the driver was also believed to have been shot.

A police search in and around the town of Aba, some 30 miles (50km) north-east of Port Harcourt, followed.

At the time, Shell expressed concern for the safety of its contractor staff.

The Foreign Office said it was aware of the reports the men had been freed and it was making inquiries.

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edoyad you are right,

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I don't need to answer any of your questions mr. All the answers you seek are already available to you people; live like normal human beings or keep isolating yourselves from the rest of the world that already consider you a pariah.

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Well right now you guys are all the same to southerners so stop bitchin, cause no one wants to hear it.

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Again instead of answering questions asked, you choose to abuse your fellow citizens  to show the world you are better than everyone else.

You clearly live in a very small world. i have satisfied myself that you are not worth wasting time on so i am leaving you here to try to show the world the wise foo.l you are.

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Haha, now you're denying your fellow uma mr sjeezy ? You actually think i'm stu.p¡d enough to bow my head to a black box in mecca or dubai ? Even if i wanted to worship a God i'd atleast worship one older than my civilization.

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If those southern kaduna "friends" of yours are stu.p¡d then i'm not. A relative of mine in 2000 thought his gateman who had been in that position for years was his friend until the riots came, i'm sure He's regretting that decision now in the heavens.

But don't get me wrong, there might be hope for your people if you choose to abandon ignorance and move into the modernity and I hope the tots in your extended family have been immunized against polio.

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@edoyad,

Good you are separating your people from dirty Stinking Hausa/Fulani.

Your people shouldn't have any thing to do with those dirty stinking desert Rats.

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you are even worse than i thought, so you can defame your people just to achieve a personal objective. once again i have to ask you to search your soul (or what is left of it) and try to forgive yourself for wasting your life.

I have so many friends from southern kaduna and they are not like you, that is why i apologized.

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Mr tisya come out and say you're a hausa man and controvert anything I've said that is false. All this talk that you're yarning about not being hausa but you want to defend them is kindergarten crap. Nobody, and i mean nobody will accept the rubbish your friends have done this time, they've gone too far this time.

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Why would you apologise to your natural enemies, you as well as i know There's no where on earth you can find a man who detests the hausa man as much southern kaduna. I was in school when your people tried the rubbish they're doing now jos around some southern kaduna towns which ended in General Lekwot and his people slaughtering you people like dogs you are- the only language you understand isn't it ?

To us you're just like the swine you profess not to eat(i guess it would be cannibalism for you to do so), we pork well in my place so you're no problem for us.

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By the way, I did not intend to insult chongai people because of one silly pig. i apologize to them

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^

Any [b]peaceful [/b]group will "fit".

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edoyad or whatever your name is, you really have serious ego problems and i feel sorry for you. You have been trying for the past two days to portray yourself as better, more educated and richer than hausa people. Why do you have to try so hard to paint yourself as anything else but the skunk you are. Sadly for you, that bad smell you are trying so hard to wash off yourself is not going anywhere, it is natural so learn to live with it.

If by any chance, you happen to be better than anybody, then why try so hard to prove your point? it should be the other person trying to show he is better than you. So you think hausa cannot develop? Okay fine then let them live in their misery afterall you hate them so much.

By the way are you chongai or what? so you honestly think you can fit or be accepted by your "saviours" if you help them conquer the hausa people? well goodluck to you mr man, but please take a break and do some soul searching and take a long look at yourself in the mirror.

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why not? theres many hausas who attend uni in england,abuja,scottland so . . . . if the majority of hausas can have someone tell them the truth and educate them then they are no different then any southerner.

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^ atleast we know Niger is poor because of adversity as a landlocked and being virtually a desert. But what excuse does the hausa man have ? Abacha ruled till he died between the thighs of a ho.oker and now Yaradua is in power but still the poverty and illiteracy level keep increasing at a frightening rate. Every year thousands of corps members are sent to these areas but the story is still the same, the level of literacy keeps dropping while population is increasing. The one annoying thing i can't understand is why a baby who should be with his mother is sent out with plastic cups to beg for alms to survive in the name of religion, are they the only muslims in the world ? Don't Tunisia and Ghana have muslims too ? And then their elite still have the gall to come out and defend the crap that keeps churning out a myriad of futureless, illiterate bigots.

@citizen Y i don't understand the crap you're saying but i nobody even slightly related to me has ever and will ever grow up on the street begging , can you say so of yourself ?

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It's absolutely impossible, it's not part of their make up. The North is basically lucky to be part of Nigeria. Without Nigeria, the North is nothing but another Chad or Niger republic.

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if nay curse you curse me let it come back to you.

But real4life, what is wrong with your dirty Stinking Hausa/Fulani brothers, why killing innocent Christains every time.

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Mr. Edoyad,

Facts are sacred and there is no point belabouring the issue of low education in the north. In the same vein,

as i have always believed, the fault is entirely that of our elite in all domains. While efforts are being made, I

am not satisfied with the speed and depth/spread. Ditto for other social aspects of northern society which ,whether

we like it or not ,must be reformed and you must admit that these fundamental changes take time and it is also a fact

that our society is not what it was 20 years ago.I want to suppose that your post is aimed at correction. Please continue

with your crusade as it will make our leaders sit up and do the right thing.

Having said that, we all know the cave from whence we came and when the chips are down, we will realise that the distance

from there to where we are to day is not that far. The foundation of where we are today was laid by institutions and persons,

whose level of enlightenment is a far cry from ours and that is progress. You know what I mean? If you do not know, go home

and ask your chefs who are wearing turbans.

Please say hello to your dog.

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