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Is Nigeria Really This Bad?

Nigeria announces plan to build railline -Noooooo, it is nt necessary, many will become millionaires thru the project, hence it is not necessary

Lagos plans to install CCTV - Noooo - CCTV will never work in a country like Nigeria - it is for develed countries alone.

Lagos plans to build 10 lane expressway - Nooooo - it is not necessary, many people are hungry out there, no need for roads

World Bank plans to invest in project to improve power supply nationwide - Noooo,we dont need it, we want food on the table.

Speaker house of rep buys 4 bullet proof jeeps - Noooo - he is a thief, why des he want four jeeps

Government plans NHS scheme and welfare scheme for the un employed - Nooooo - it is not necessary, it is food we want, we dont want health or welfare

Yar Adua - says why is Nigeria not part of G20 - oh nooo - he is a fool - who does he think he is? We are backwards, so why does he want us invited!

Nigeria launches satelite - Noooooooo- what is satellite for, we havent gotten enough food to eat, we dont need satellite.

Nigeria bids to host comonwealth games - Nooooo - it is a white elephant project, we dont nee to host the world - we need to eat first, we are a bunch of hungry fellows.

We are all hngry fellows, we a all dieing daily due to lack of food, we only need food in this country and nothing more, food, food, food, Yar Adua bring food and nothing else,we dont need good rail system, we dont need welfare, give us food.

Is it this realy bad?

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The Late Fela Anikulapo Kuti as said it all,'suffering snd smiling'

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@linxon

I have enjoyed your posts and arguments in the past even if i do not agree with some of of them, it gets me thinking. But I do not agree with your last response to kobojunkie's comments, it is beneath you. Kobojunkie is a highly respected Nairalander and have made valuable comments on this forum.

If Kobojunkie said a huge majority of the PHDs, Professors and advanced degree holders we have in that country obtained their degrees outside the shores of the country, he is not exactly too far from the truth, he only exaggerated a bit. He should have said " a lot of the PHDs, Professors and advanced degree holders we have in that country obtained their degrees outside the shores of the country" and not a huge majority. Then i am sure you would not argue with that as I am sure you are one of the lot, and a huge majority of your Nigerian friends also fall into that category.

Also kobojunkie never said Nigeria has been independent for 49 years, he was asking what your comment on the Niger Delta has to do current situation in Nigeria and the trend of the last 40 years. ( although I feel a bit uncomfortable with kobojunkie's use of "that country" to designate his country of origin)

So your assertion of " you are nowhere near my level" is totally uncalled for.

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You are obsessed with 'sleeping giant', and by the way do you know anything about literature?

1. 'Sleeping giant', is a a metphorical expression - OKAY, END OF STORY!

2. All the professors with Phds? We know how corrupt the educational system is in Nigeria, and what have these professors done internationally? How many Nigerian Universities are world renowned? Its not about qualifications alone, Richard Branson did not even do A-levels and Bill gates is a dropout, so is the founder of facebook, this did not stop them founding multi billion dollar empires did it?

3.  And you asked why I included the History lesson about Niger-Area, I did so because you need it! I emphasized thje point that your country is seen as a nice piece of land to extract resources and nothing more - a joke! Intellect is thinking outside the box, ouside of the Nigerian norms to reverse this disgracful trend, alright!

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Posted by: Kobojunkie     what I do not understand though is why you believe Nigeria is one of them.

I say read my post Above.

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By the way, you still have yet to explain the phrase “Sleeping Giant” and what context it could be applied to Nigeria. The verb “Sleeping” points to some form of inaction. Nigeria and Nigerians are wide awake and acting; only that most our actions are applied in a manner that continues to negatively affect our future in the world. So how can we be “Sleeping” when we are wide awake and depleting our resources?

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I am not exactly what your point is with the above statement.  In the case of America, I would say land and resources came as a result of power, not before.  I believe the same applies to Britain

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wirinet:

First of all I have lived in Lagos myself for 7 years from the early 80s to the late 80s as a teenager, then I returned to England. You are completely wrong when you say:  "the tribalism we experience here is worse than the racism you can ever experience there"; for example, you can learn Yoruba, change your name and nobody would know you are from the Delta - as a result you would experience zero prejudice.  But in England once you are Black that it everything bad is associated with you: AIDs, Crime, dirty, rude, due to institutional racism.  However you are taliking to a member of the already converted club. I have a computer science degree from UCL (in the top 5 best universities in the UK out of 100 universities), and its common knowledge that 9 in 10 applications are declined  for such a place. So you are right there are opportunities beyond ones wildest dreams however, why dose one have to be phenomenal as a black man to succeed? People who have an inferiority complex are defensive and would not give the kind of response I am offering.  On top of all of that I decided to start my own software business and I named it KINIUN (Lion in Yoruba), so if that dose not proove that I DO NOT have an inferiority complex what dose?

Clothes? I think you are wrong, dose the president wear a shirt and trousers? no, it depends on the ethnicity. And who cares where the material is manufactured?

The fact is pretty much everything is manufactured in China nowadays due to their comparative advantage when it comes to labour costs and commercial infrastructure.

Any manufacturer at this present moment in time would relocate to China if that firm wants to maximize profits.

Language? Again I disagree, Most hausa can't speak English and everyone in my family could speak the Yoruba language so you cannot generalize - so gbo nkoti mon so?

Culture? Well, like I said I was born and bred in England but I can still speak my language and I know my History.

Okay, Whats an African? Well thats a tough question (I would be interested to hear your definition), my simplistic answer would be a person with dark brown skin and wooly hair. The fact is North Africans identify themselves as Arabs - and so do I, its just that African leaders are so silly they allow them to be a member of the AU. So, my answer is we have to show the world what an African is by showing that we have our own culture, language, food, music (which is awful nowadays) and RELIGION and TECHNOLOGY - AFRICANISM!

The reason why I say that you have an inferiority complex is because you keep re-enforcing the western lies I hear on BBC and CNN on a daily basis. Slavery lasted for 400 years, but Mental slavery is what exists today. Are you telling me that tommorow if you went to a Millionaire from another ethnic group, and prposed a business plan worth tens of millions of dollars he would say:  "Sorry, You are not from the right ethnic group sorry I don't want to make any more money"? No! he would call you a brother, hug you and say lets do it as quick as possible! So look past other peoples petiness and rise up!  All of the problems in Nigeria are business opportunities like security, food, education, technology, energy etc.  For example look at the billionaires Otedola, Adenuga and Dangote, both have become wealthy through the problems of Nigeria:

Otedola - exploits the lack of Electricity

Adenuga - exploited the lack of communication infrastructure

Dangote - exploits everything! mainly cement

And before you say that Obasanjo helped them - thats the way the world works! Like George Bush started a war and owned shares in bullet and millitary companies that supplied the U.S army, and his vice president Cheney was Chairman of the company that won a multi-billion contract to clean up the mess! All politicians are corrupt, its just that Nigerian politicians are corrupt beyond the nations means. So you should be looking at the opportunities and coming up with solutions, rather than regurgitating the dull predictions of the western media and writers who constantly twist history to the detriment of the African continent. 

Kobojunkie:

You asked: What makes a country a giant of any continent? Does land, resources and population alone alone make the case? Define the phrase "Sleeping Giant"?

No, of course not, but they are the basic ingredients for greatness! B118 emphasized the word "potential" but I think a pessimistic outlook is making that word invisible at present. A high population means chaeper labour and a naturally large Army; but most importantly it means a large supply of the most precious resource on this planet - HUMAN RESOURCES. Natural Resources and land are the finite, scarce factors of production, if a nation has ample supply of both it should be more independent. And lastly, A large population means a large market! For example globalcom has more

The British wanted All the areas around the Niger river (Niger -> Area = Nigeria) to be a nice neat bundle so they could exploit the resources much more easily by dealing with one set of leaders - and to save money after the second world war. Hence, Nigeria to the west is land for extracting raw materials to make them richer, for selfish reasons, Nigerian leaders continue this tradition to enrich themselves and give the oyinbos what they want. For example Globalcom has over 30 million subscribers in Nigeria, this is only possible because of the large population.

When Nigerians become more enterprising and realise that they can solve their own problems through their intellect, then the Giant will awaken and mineral extraction will be replaced with Nigerian Hitec multinationals, that make the income generated from mineral extracion look like peanuts.

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So na today u know say nigeria na hopeless country?

Personally i have known nigeria as a sick country right from my senior secondary school.

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@Kobojunkie

Not only land resource and population determine the strength of a country, I stated this earlier, but u cannot deny the importance of these factors, more important is how they are put to use.

Sleeping Giant in this context is simly a country that is seriously underachieving, do take time to read my last post properly then u'll know what I meant.

Wasn't it but a couple of decades ago that the Naira was equal to the Dollar, compare rates of Migration a few decades ago to the present day, Nigeria before and after the oil boom. Nigeria was Never so bad it was just some bad decisions and mismanagement along the way.

If Nigerians can't be enthusiastic about Nigeria we can all go ahead and wallow in hopelessness.

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I an sorry to say that you argument does not hold water and the sooner we all realize the truth the better for us.

Nigeria has, Land, agricultural friendly climate, man-power, mineral resources, potential tourist attractions e.t.c All these in relatively large amounts compared to even some developed coutries of the world, this is what gives it the potential to be powerful. USA for example is dependent on the imports from other countries which is why the financial crisis that started in the USA has spread to the rest of the world because the demand from the major importers has dropped.

I am trying to correct the above impressions held by you and our government.

Countries like England USA fought wars to claim land (history of England and scotland, Texas and mexico wars to claim land, how the man power from the chinese migrant is a vital part of the development of USA e.t.c Even Isreal and palestine were still at it of recent) so don't tell me population or possession of vast Land is not relevant to build-up of power.

People fought to claim land then because land because the economy then was land based - agriculture and mining. So the richest nations were the ones with the largest land (especially fertile land with mineral deposits) and the richest people were the landlords. But i wonder why most people (including our governments) fail to realize that things have changed.

Why do you think that wars are not fought for territory anymore, it is because land size does not matter much anymore.

A good example is Isreal, their land mass is smaller than most states of Nigeria and is mostly desert couple witha population of about 5 million. But the the state of Israel produces over 50 times what we could produce. Also Switzerland - a mainly rocky mountainous landlocked country with horrible weather and a tiny population to match, is much more developed than us with all our so called resources.

From the beginning of the 20th century Human Resources became the wealth of nations and not Land, and not even population per Se, but highly skilled workers in both technological and managerial sectors. US on realizing this fact encouraged and poached skilled workers from Germany, Israel, Europe, Asia, etc. Even today the western nations are bleeding Africa dry of its only true resource, its manpower, such that we have a shortage of qualified doctors in Nigeria.

Our greatest problem is not corruption per se, but sheer incompetence. That is why why our problem is not financial, because financial problems are easy to solve. But managerial incompetence is very difficult to deal with. You will find out that the management of our most successful companies are Europeans, Indians, Chinese and even Lebanese, while the ones with Nigerian management almost always fail in the long run. Why? - incompetence. Incompetence pervades all sectors, aviation, power, Engineering, Education (heard of the Kwara exams tests for primary school teachers?) etc.

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What makes a country a giant of any continent?  Does land, resources and population alone alone make the case? Define the phrase "Sleeping Giant"?

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@ wirinet

You seem to be atguing for the sake of winning the arguement so that you're completely missing my point,

i did not describe management and technology as potentials, I'm saying that a country with potential to be powerful just needs good management in order to harness its resources and intellect to develop technologically and in other sense, in the process become powerful.

Countries like England USA fought wars to claim land (history of England and scotland, Texas and mexico wars to claim land, how the man power from the chinese migrant is a vital part of the development of USA e.t.c Even Isreal and palestine were still at it of recent) so don't tell me population or possession of vast Land is not relevant to build-up of power.

Nigeria has, Land, agricultural friendly climate, man-power, mineral resources, potential tourist attractions e.t.c All these in relatively large amounts compared to even some developed coutries of the world, this is what gives it the potential to be powerful. USA for example is dependent on the imports from other countries which is why the financial crisis that started in the USA has spread to the rest of the world because the demand from the major importers has dropped. Ever heard the saying "when the USA coughs, the rest of the world sneezes".

By the way why is it so hard to accept that Nigeria is indeed the giant of Africa (though asleep). Like the other poster suggested, is it the inferiority complex, or just years of brain washing that the western world is superior.

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@ Linxon

You allegation that i complain is not founded on facts, on reading my posts i have not seen where i have made even one complaint.

Now I reside in Lagos and Lagos is my home, had been for the last 30 yrs (save from the yrs i spent in university and a brief sojourn in London). Although both my parents were from riverine villages right at the heart of the Niger Delta. I cannot point to the villages on the map even if it is enlarged to the size of a stadium. So most likely i will live and die in Lagos.

Having said that i have very close cousins who lives in London, some have been there for over 40 yrs, some married oyinbo, while some married other blacks - Africans and Caribbeans, and have made London their home. The possibility of them or their children ever coming to reside in the Niger Delta (where their father is from) is very remote.

You said I have inferiority complex, but the reverse is the case. It is you that have inferiority complex. Given that there is some racism in London, there is racism everywhere. In fact the tribalism we experience here is worse than the racism you can ever experience there. In England racism is often restricted to individuals. but in Nigeria it is a National Policy, both Federal and State. You are admitted into a university not just because you score high in JAMB, but also by your state of origin and who you know. In state universities "non indigenes are made to pay up to 3 times what indigenes pay.

You have limitless opportunities in London, the society has developed to a state where merit is recognized and rewarded. So do not feel intimidated by white skins, you can do better than all of them if you go beyond your complexes. You can be mayor of London or even Prime Minister.

People keep howling " YOU ARE AN AFRICAN", without defining who an African is?

Is it about Dark skin color? - Arabs are also Africans, or are they not?

Is is about Cloths? We were mainly shirt & trousers, Even the fabrics of the so called traditional cloths are made in Europe or China .

Is it about religion? - we worship white Gods and white messiahs.

Is it Language? - most 21 century African children cannot speak their mother tongue.

Is it culture? I am sure your children speak with an English accent, init?

Please define AN AFRICAN.

@B118

I did not miss out on the word potential. From your explanation of the word potential, every country on earth has the same potential. But the most important potential is the one we lack - Management and Technological Man power.

It was Management and Technological man power that USA was able to employ to escape colonization by Britain and surpassed her, to become the no 1 nation on earth.

It was Management and Technological Resources that Israel used to turn an open desert into an agricultural exporting country.

It was Management and Technological Resource that made Japan an world industrial power Less that 20 yrs after a devastating war. Same for Germany.

So your use of potentially powerful nation is too general

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@ post, Nigeria is not that bad. Its just tough, sometimes! Esp. for those that don't have kudi!

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Mr linxon,

Please read the post carefully. If you say London is not your home then London is not your home, and i will suggest GO HOME and take your children with you if you have some.

But from my memory of history, the English people are a mixture of races from Angles, Saxony, Germany, Vikings, Normandy and lately Jamaica. even the monarchy trace their roots to Germany. So if you cannot make London your home then go home, but i can tell you that the English Society treats you far better than you would be treated by the Nigerian society outside your village.

@ B118

Please stop that propaganda, What makes Nigeria a powerful country?

Is it military power?

Is it economic power?

Do not let that Giant of Africa slogan get into your head. Power is not measured by population or the Arabs nations would be deemed more powerful than Israel. Most powerful societies in history were very small in terms of population and physical size. Rome was a village, even Britain that conquered half the world is a very small place.

POWER IS MEASURED BY TECHNOLOGICAL AND INTELLECTUAL STRENGTH AND NOT BY LAND MASS OR POPULATION OR EVEN MINERAL RESOURCES.

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Nigeria isn't that bad. The sad thing is, Nigeria is a potentially powerful country cripled by mismanagement/stupidity/cruelty/greed, of its leaders (and citizens to some extent). Nigeria isn't "this bad" but it should be better than this. She's a giant lying dormant.

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@Linxon, No. Home is where you are at and what you make it.

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Hmmmm, You are in complete self denial, stop fooling yourself! You know damn well that you are Nigerian and it has to be fixed! You will find out where you are from when you have been bound and gagged and dumped on the first availble flight to Nigeria. If you reside in the west and you have black skin you will be victimized you know it! Obama is a coconut who has been chosen by the democratic party to prevent the Clintons from taking power. He has not mentioned Africa Once and he never will - it dose'nt get votes. When he talks about his American forefathers you know he's bonkers!

All the places Nigerians are running to were built based on self sacrifice and determination, I think that this forum exemplifies the reason Nigeria has not developed. There seems to be a waste of energy over petty issues and a huge lack of self belief! If Nigerian people are the problem - then Nigerian people are the solution.

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The above statement is not only try, it is what in mathematics you describe as an IDENTITY. Humans are very migratory in nature, they migrate to areas of better food, water, shelter, opportunities. that was why man was able to leave africa and populate the whole world.

Mr. I-Laugh, home is wherever you have settled and have been accepted by the people you meet there. And i must add that, it is that your concept of home that have created the settler / indigene dichotomy that is ruining the country, and it is also a great contributor to our corruption (it is acceptable for an indigene to embezzle, after all it is our money).

Can anyone in this thread tell me that their present so called home is the home of their great grand father. Do they not know that one of their fore fathers left their home and settled somewhere else. Do you know where your great grand children will decide to settle.

This settler indigene problem was started by some earlier settler to exclude others from money or position or political allocations, when Nigeria adopted the method of sharing or Federal Character.

Finally, Most of the people that claim the US as home today had grand parents from elsewhere. Obama's father is from Kenya, but Obama's home is the US of A.

HOME IS WHERE YOU ARE AT.

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@RichyBlack

No wonder you are in Somalia.

Who took your bread o - abeg, no extra tooth for sale on NairaLand - if you bark and loose you tooth, no one to help you o.

If you pack 10,000 Nigerian youths to other places like you said, in one year, that country would have been spoilt, go to South Africa, go to Ghana, your youths are the ones spoiling the place - what are you talking about?

Home is home? Nonsense talk! Man's home is the planet earth! Anywhere a man is on this planet is home. After all, many Nigerians are treated much better in places outside Nigeria than in their purported "home".

Hmmm - this statement can never be true even if you become president of your town.

All the things you said about Nigera happens in worse scales in other countries - you are simply barking without saying anything new.

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Nigeria is not bad!!! She is just sick.

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Is Nigeria Really This Bad? YES!

The Nigerian government is probably the most useless government our universe has ever witnessed in her 14 billion years of existence!

If I had the means, I'll relocate 10,000 Nigerian youths per annum to places where they can develop themselves instead of being allowed to rot in the most shameless kleptocracy man has ever devised!

Home is home? Nonsense talk! Man's home is the planet earth! Anywhere a man is on this planet is home. After all, many Nigerians are treated much better in places outside Nigeria than in their purported "home".

In Nigeria, the murderers in uniform can kill a Nigerian and label him an armed robber. Their would be zero consequence and the perpetrator would do it again. In many other countries, such a crime would be investigated and the lowlife brought to book. But never in Nigeria! The Nigerian Customs Service, extortionists par excellence, steal money from Nigerians importing goods into the country and even stoop as low as stealing mails mailed into the country! No investigation, nothing! The Nigerian Army, go around killing, Molesting and maiming civilians, and nothing, absolutely nothing is done to stop the carnage and bring the soldiers who commit these barbaric actions to book - Odi, Tarkw Bay, etc.

While the kleptocrats in government divert funds to their private accounts and enable their cronies in the phantom private sector, many Nigerians are dying from curable diseases every minute. Meanwhile the brainless goons in flowing dashiki travel abroad for headaches and foot massages. Their is nothing homely about being treated that way. The Nigerian government is utterly useless!

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what makes PDP a credible opposition?

what and what have you seen to make you conclude that APGA fabricated the story?

if its true the story was fabricated, why hasnt the person credited with making such claims come out to rebuke what was credited to him?

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Who in his right senses will say such a thing in public? Even if they say it privately or think about it, how will they say that to the press? That’s just not right.

I won’t be surprised if the State Government which is in APGA fabricated it to discredit the PDP afterall PDP’s the only credible opposition for them in this upcoming election.

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@ Asha

Well I don’t know about that but I wont be surprised if its true.

The fact is that the Governor’s naturally stingy and of course people will always complain. But that’s not even relevant. If the Governor’s doing what he’s supposed to do, then I don’t think people’s complaints will count. The man’s a business man and over the years it has become obvious that while he’s not embezzling the public funds, he’s enriching his business with it. That way he makes his gain and leaves other people hanging.

As far as I’m concerned, they are all one and the same thing.

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are you saying source of the story was the anambra state govt and not the PDP chieftain?

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any woman who writes anything further on and about Anambra State on this thread has thus accepted my invitation to have my pen is, di ck, pric k inserted in their pus sy for public show here on NairaLand.

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What is funny about this statement?

@Ujujoan

Are people(politicians) in anambra angry because he is not sharing money?

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Like I said, don’t believe everything you read/hear. If there’s any government who uses the media for the sole purpose of spreading ‘tales’, its Anambra State Govt.

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Same governor who announced that the Niger Bridge was going to collapse if the federal government did not come in to do something about it. lol

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isnt that the same state some people(polistealtians) were complaining/whinging/crying that the governor isnt including them and the opposition in his running of the state. by appointing them to run local government so they too can eat?http://www.vanguardngr.com/content/view/33096/45/

dem don confuse person pass wetin organic chemistry fit do. kai.

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Well, when Ngige was the Governor, people thought Obi will do better because Ngige’s was a stolen mandate and Obi claimed to be the redemption of the State. But now 3 years after he took the seat from Ngige, people are wishing Ngige back because Peter Obi is not the person they thought he would be.

Politics in Anambra very complicated. Don’t believe everything you hear. The present Government is full of propaganda. Ngige might not be a saint, but he wasn’t nearly as bad as this.

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I go slap all of una - dem tell you say this thread is for Anambra State?

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Sometimes i wonder what is the true situation of things in anambra.I keep hearing very divergent views.

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VIPit Toilet no longer considered Accomplishment ?? Roflmao!!!

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I agree with you. But the devil you know is better than the angel you dont know. I think Anambarians learnt thar lesson with Peter Obi.

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The people calling for the return of Ngige in my own opinion are short sighted and do not know the real Ngige.

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NEPA BRING ON THE LIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NEPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED LIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Nigeria is bad, yes!! Even worse than you described.

But you are not right. People don’t say no to sustainable development and ask for ‘food’ instead. True, the illiterate minority might mention food anytime you try to find out that they need, but I think Nigeria has come to a point whereby people don’t care how much you embezzle as far as you get the job done.

In Anambra State today, people are calling for the return of Chris Ngige because in the 34 months he spent as the Governor of the State, he was able to construct good roads in the State. The fact that a he made himself and a lot of other people rich in the process is irrelevant. Gov. Obi on the other hand who’ s busy saving money, investing money and returning balance of Government allocation is considered a failure. Why? Because the physical and infrastructural development is just not there.

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i see people are getting along here

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ElRufai

Thanks very well.

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El Rufai

I have lost your point sir. You are in advertedly agreeing with me.

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pot-hole is the few one u see in oversea

the ones in nigeria na pot-belly holes= killer hole

slowpoke wise up i laugh

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El Rufai

I have always said it, the problem with Nigeria is with Nigerians.

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Ikey

Only a slowpoke can say there are bot belly on Nigerian roads -it is called pot holes and not pot belly.

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Exchange Nigerians with the citizens of those countries you mentioned, and see how those countries will turn for the worse in three months, and how Nigeria wll turn out for the good in exactly those three months.

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Once again you are missing the point.

You know, you really are displaying that Naija mentality I am talking about.

Nigeria have good things and good side, however the bad eggs spoils the good ones is the popular saying.

Once again, I put this question to you - Do you really not see anything wrong with how Nigeria haven't progressed much in over 40years? Malaysia had their independence around the same time as us, yet they have done more than we can ever dream off. How come they can achieve this and we some how cant?

Besides, twisting my words is a bit weak and lame on your part, you know.

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ElRufai

And your point is? that Nigeria is all that bad? ok - noted. You have said, no good thing can ever come out of Nigeria - u r noted.

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