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Is Ojukwu A Gen Or Lt. Col?

Dim Emeka Ojukwu has hit out at the Nigerian Army for referring to him as Lt. Col instead of his Bifran Army designation of General during the ceremony for the payment of his gratuity and pensions. He however made a decent point by referring to the American example where General Robert Lee was formally referred to by his Confederate title of General by the victorious Nationalists.

What is the best designation for Ojukwu?

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my guy are you chxta in disguise?

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Dafur,

You said that Ojukwu and the Elders who were his advisers were hasty in declaring Biafran republic with devastating consequences. So I want to ask you.When in your won opinion should have been the right time?

moreso, as MLK said, the greatest enemies of people are not the extremist but those who while sitting on the fence urge for a postponemet of change to an "appriopriate" time.

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Northerners were wicked to the easterners, so there was no reason living in the same country with them; that was why Ojukwu declared Biafra republic.

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The Republic of Biafra was declared as a response to the non comittment of the Nigerian government headed by northerners to stop the progrom in the north

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if the aim wasn't independence, then why declare the republic of biafra??

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Slow down, don't get it muddled up. The aim of ndi Igbo as at that time was neither independence nor to colonisation. There goal was simply to adopt a defensive mechanism that will prevent the Nigerian State from driving them into extinction.

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No bro, you don't attack the north, you attack the heart of the problem - which is the seat of power. . . Lagos

but why attack lagos if ur goal is independence and not colonization?? shouldn't the biafrans have been more concerned with defending their border rather than penetrating deep into the western region. u know damn well the biafran army didnt' have the abilities to sustain such an offensive.

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No bro, you don't attack the north, you attack the heart of the problem - which is the seat of power. . . Lagos

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You have simply expresses your ignorance of military tactics, you have never heard that "attack is the best form of defence?"

then why not attack the north, which was the strongbase of the nigerian army. why annex the midwest, don't ijaws and istekiris(sp) have a right to self-determination 2.

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Ocho cinco,

I am not particularly a fan of Ojukwu or any Nigerian for that matter. I feel it is only right to do the right thing.

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No one is doubting that Igbos were wronged and had a just cause. However the issues were: (i) was secession the only option available to Ojukwu? (ii) Even if secession was the only option, could he have timed it dfferently/delayed till such time as Biafra had fighting capability?

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What about Field Marshal Idi Amin?? Don't people still call him Field Marshal Idi Amin till today??

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@Germannig

Ojukwu is one lucky man o

If he had won the war he would be hailed a hero

he lost the war--he is still hailed a hero

that is a classic case of having your cake and eating it

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What the hell is that? Ojukwu is simply a General, Biafran or Nigerian, does not matter. A General is a General. The argument here has no standing because Ojukwu himself knows he was not a General of the Nigerian Army but a full-blooded one in the Biafran army. Since you cannot refer to ''Biafra'' and Ojukwu's role in it without properly placing him, it goes then that any objective emphasis on ''Biafra'' and ''Ojukwu'' would refer to him as ''General''. That, is the logical perspective.

For e.g.,

On what basis would you say: Former Biafran leader Lt. Col. Ojukwu, blah, blah, blah?

When the right thing is: Former Biafran leader General Ojukwu, blah, blah, blah?

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@M

By which time Igbos would have been completely wiped out by the rampaging hausa/fulani elements, abi?

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@planner,

the elders probably fell for his rhetorics thinking they have what it takes to win the war.if the elders knew what he knew they woulda prolly adviced against it. otherwise, the elders are also guilty as charged.

@lafile,

I’ll like to address him as General Ojukwu too. But this is the Nigerian Army here Addresing him and they see him as a lt col. He was not recognised by the Nigerian army as a general and that’s it. Period. If I go to Europe and they don’t recognise my degree, I’ll simply write their own exam. Na quarrel?

@planner,

if it pains me that 2.5 million igbos died including women and children and you are more concerned about your hero then I am more igbo than you.

thanks for being polite in your disagreement. This way we can debate issues. Ist of all, armies look at themselves and imagine if they have what it takes.

Hitler had used about 6yrs for re-armament b4 he declared war in Europe and he actually did conguer Europe b4 the US came. He never wanted to fight the US at the time. May be later. But not at that time.

Bush actually destroyed saddam and Afghanistan. But the issue is that he won the war but did not win the peace. So he was deemed a failure. But militarily he won. Infact, the Iraqis were wiser than Ojukwu at some point. When the war came to Baghdad, the defence disappeared and the marines virtually walked in. they changed tactics. Americans controlled the city while they used guerrilla warfare. They knew they were no match for the Americans face-to-face.

Soviet union and even the US knew that each had nuclear capability. Watch the movie I3 days. It’s about the Cuban missile crisis. There you’ll see how much both sides did not want to go to war . . BECAUSE THEY KNEW THE RESULT OF DOING SO.

Yeah, the igbos say that “ejighi ekwo maka mgbagbu ghara i ga agha” (you cant avoid war b/c of the possibility of death) but why, why,why,why in God’s earth, why is it that when the war enters the door steps of the leaders, they surrender or vamoose.why?whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

MLK led the demonstration for the civil rights movts. He had fears of death. Yet he led the demonstrations and eventually got killed.sadly. why do war leaders hide. Hitler was even better, after the war, he did not beg to live. The coward shot himself. Ojukwu did not even shoot himself. He so loved life that he ran away, came back, joined politics, went for a beauty gueen,( young enough to be his daughter even against the advice of her dad, which is very very very un-igbo take note)

And while the innocent igbos were fighting to protect themselves Ojukwu, the hero, ordered the invasion of western Nigeria. The mid-west was overrun by biafran soldiers and they went as far as Ore. Closing in on lagos. Hmmmn open your nose and smell some imperialistic appetite bro

got a lecture to attend.catch ya later. keep the debate free of abuses.

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dafur

I stand to be corrected, I can't remember any of the wars fought in the recent time that the protagonist of the war didn't think that they will triumph, but alas they fail.

Hitler with all his might, panzers, u-boats and Conc. camps believed that he will annihilate the Jews and conquer the world - of course you do not need to be reminded that he failed flat.

The Soviet Union believed so much that they will win the cold war - what happened? Instead they got disintegrated

From the President Bush's projections he told the American people that the Taliban in Afghanistan will be smoked out the caves and summarily finished off in 2 weeks - We know what has happened.

Need we mention Bush colossal failure in the war against terrorism in Iraq? While not forgetting what happened to the Americans in the Vietnam War or the Britons in the Falkland war.

You see dafur, it is so easy to sit in the comfort of you room with the luxury of a PC and be cranking texts over the internet with your distorted perception of events that you never witnessed first hand.

If you are truly Igbo, you know that our people say "ejighi mgbagbu agha ogu" meaning - you can't because someone will be injured or killed avoid a fight.

If ndi Igbo didn't go into the war as they did in 1967, it would have been recorded as the greatest act of cowardice in man's history.

Point to note for gullible minds: ndi Igbo did not go into the war because they think they will win as dafur will want you to believe, they were simply defending themselves from an impending annihilation from the Nigeria State.

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Whatever you call him, the name Ojukwu stands as a great man, unequalled leader, great advocate of equality, freedom and human rights. He is greater than a general, more intelligent than any general the Nigerian army ever produced. Infact Dim Chukwuemeka is a phenomenom,a revolution and a legend.[color=#006600][/color]

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Bloody impostor. AS i have repeated before no Igbo person will write the kind of nonsense you are writing and As expected non igbos are the once giving you kudos. You know what? It does not bother us becuase we know where we are going- to the promised land.

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darfur and maxsiollun have actually analysed this issue completely. Yes the Ibos were wronged. Yes the Ibos were provoked. Profoundly so. Yes at that time (1967) seccesion seemed like the best option.However, time has told us Ojukwu (and his cabinet) were wronged. There was no way he could have won the war. A leader would have unemotionally looked at the situation and bidded his time. War was not the ebst option. He should nahe played the international politics better. He could have forced Nigeria into a loose federation that would have favoured everybody. There would have been no need for all this Niger Delta agitations and militants. He would have gained the respect of all Nigerians and not just some Ibo people (and Frederick Forsyth)

This doesnt take away from the man. He was a brilliant soldier. A charismatic leader.

And (back to the topic) diplomacy demands he be addressed as General whether he was a general in the Nigerian Army or not. The General Lee Example suffices. Lee was not a General in the Union (United States of America) army but Everybody addresses him as General Lee. Ojukwu should be addressed as General.

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Dim Ojukwu did not act alone as some people will want us to believe. There were council of elders in existence then. You can read the book "Ojukwu" by Federick Forsythe. It story is told in details at least from an impartial observer.

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Had it been the reverse was the case that ibos were the ones killing thousands of northerners in the east, and Gowon decided to create an arewa republic leaving the ibos to be on their own and a civil war eventually starts, would anybody or anyone be saying that Gowon was wrong to have gone into war with the east??

You people don't know what happened to the ibos living in the north then thats why you are blaming Ojukwu. Ibos were killed and slaughtered like chicken, goat and ram in all part of the north. And you expect their leader not to protect them by fighting against their enemies??

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dafur

You have an excellent command of English language and appear to also know how to present and express your views. Armed with these skills, how so easy it is to deceive gullible minds reading your apostacy.

The issue of what lead to the war in 1967 have been thoroughly dealt with in other threads, and you knew very well that it is not the topic of this thread. But in your desperate  but failed effort to distort and twist facts and records to discredit Ikemba you cleverly like every saboteur does chose to run when nothing is chasing you.

Whatever your new-informed views in 2008 of what happened in 1967 cannot change the facts and history.

Though like Ogidiboy said, I think you are an impostor

People let's stay on the topic of this thread.

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@ Planner

Don't even waste your time with that fool. Any Igbo man in 2008 still calling himself an "ibo" man and spells Nnamdi Azikiwa as Nnamdi asikiwa is either some Yoruba or awusa fool faking Igbo or some little kid that don't deserve the time or attention.

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Darfur, you have made some excellent posts on this thread which I have also made elsewhere. There is no doubt that Igbos were wronged in 1966 and had a just and righteous cause. However moral righteousness does not win wars. Bombs, fighter jets and tanks do. Biafra didn't have these. Nigeria had lots of these.

Ojukwu was an intelligent man. He should have delayed secession until his people were militarily ready to engage Nigeria in a sustained conflict. Look at Israel, they were promised Independence in the early part of the last century but had to wait till 1948 to get it. Even then they delayed independence till they had an army that could fight the Arabs. They were also pragmatic, settling for less land than they really wanted, in the knowledge that they could build up their army over several years then capture the remaining land from the Arabs when they were strong enough.

Ojukwu should have called Nigeria'sbluff by accepting Decree 8. It would have made him seem remarkably reasonable and would have turned Nigeria into a confederation. Meanwhile he could have stockpiled arms for 5 years, then seceded around 1971. But he went with emotion. The whole secession idea was pure fantasy and was doomed from the start.

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Darfurs comments have prompted a rethink( at least on my part) of the civil war while Planner's just brand him as a fanatic.

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He had a good reason to go into war with Gowon; that's my own.

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you can abuse me, no wahala. perhaps that is the way you abuse anyone who disagrees with you. you cant argue. you have no point to make. but pls learn how to debate.

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Dafur or genocide,

Your  "points" have be made known. You are "smart". However we igbos know that people like you are mere jackals and scum of the earth.  Certianly you have formed your own opinion and i will not argue with you.

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@darfur

nice argument you got there.

@Planner

At least TRY and avoid sounding dumb. reply to ONE of the issues darfur raises instead of reverting to the same tired insults

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and 2.5 million people died from the war, Oga wisdom.

i believe you did mathematics in school. 30,000 vs 2.5 million. even if you didnt go to school at least you have common sense.

i'm ibo, it may have been a good idea to break up that time. but at what cost? if we had the weaponry and their was some parity in military strength, then it may be worth the risk. but how can you send kids with "sticks and stones" to face tankers and bombers? that is not war. that is suicide. infact, the nigerian army in I967 must have been made up of dumb generals b/c they could have won that war in 2 weeks. Nnamdi asikiwe knew this. that was why he was somehow apprehensive about the war. he had his reservations. ojukwu was

You cannot an igbo man and be writing such nonsense. If you are, then you are one of those that beneficted immesnely form the suffering of the igbo people like Arthur Nzeribe.

Dafur you are fool as i have repeated.

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and 2.5 million people died from the war, Oga wisdom.

i believe you did mathematics in school. 30,000 vs 2.5 million. even if you didnt go to school at least you have common sense.

i'm ibo, it may have been a good idea to break up that time. but at what cost? if we had the weaponry and their was some parity in military strength, then it may be worth the risk. but how can you send kids with "sticks and stones" to face tankers and bombers? that is not war. that is suicide. infact, the nigerian army in I967 must have been made up of dumb generals b/c they could have won that war in 2 weeks. Nnamdi asikiwe knew this. that was why he was somehow apprehensive about the war. he had his reservations. ojukwu was just plain mad.

not only did 2.5 million people die, also there was total infrastructural destruction from which ibos are yet to recover. . . 38yrs after the war.

B4 u act, check your chances and the cost. do a risk assessment and take professional decisions and not necessarily popular decisions. did ojukwu do that? no. the result? 2.5 million dead.

did he have options? he could have manipulated the moral advantage. he wont achieve much, i agree, but surely the fed govt would have been under some pressure to at least rehabilitate the area. at least, if nothing else, 2.5 million people would not have died. one life saved, is a great achievement. ask the surgeons.

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You are a very big fool. Close to 30,000 igbo died in the riots of 1966 (including my close relatives) in the northern part of the country and you are saying that it is a silly act for the igbos including Dim OJukwu to opt for succession citing threat of lives and property in Nigeria. YOU MUST BE A BIG FOOL.

Ojukwu is a Igbo people and he will contoinue to be.

The only regret is that this country did not break up as it should be. Dim Ojukwu is one one the greatest Nigerian dead or Alive.

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Well said Darfur. Nigerians choose strange heroes.

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He was a Lt. col prior to the civil war, and made himself a Gen when he declared his own Biafran republic. He did not serve as a General in the Nigerian Army, but in the Biafran Army he was a General.

Idi Amin is still referred to as Field Marshal Idi Amin, though he imposed the rank on himself and many countries refused to recognise him as a Field Marshal; but he is still referred to as Field Marshal Idi Amin if reference is made about him. Ojukwu too should be referred to as General Ojukwu. Countries like France recognised him then as a General during the civil war.

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In the spirit of reconciliation and the' No Victor No vanquish' slogan , he should be addressed as a General.

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What ever he was, he is now in the past.

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this is nonsense. And this is not the issue. The issue was that General robert Lee was a general in the Confederate Army not in the Union army, yet he was still called a General. And did you say Ojukwu was not smart enough? Really? So how "smart" was General Lee?

And was not distinguished? At least he is better than Olusegun Obasanjo!

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Lt col Ojukwu can never be a general in the nigerian army. He did not serve nigeria in that Capacity and command.

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Ojukwu is a general with the defunct biafran army but a Lt.Col in the nigerian army. he wasn't a distinguished or smart commander by robert lee.

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