Is the North Xenophobic?. Do they treat foreigners like they do to southerners that are their fellow countrymen?
Is the North Xenophobic?. Do they treat foreigners like they do to southerners that are their fellow countrymen?
We seem to have been agreeing on some issues lately but I'm afraid its time we disagree.
I just have to disagree that an hausa woman wiping a baby's bum will result in her death and others around her. They will not kill the hausa woman or other hausa people around her. Its like killing themselves because one of them did the abominable. They wont do that. A yoruba woman who did the same thing might suffer the same fate as an Igbo person but it all depends on where it happened.
That is not correct again because even though I might not have read in any paper, but there were words of how the former governor of the state I served in the north eliminated his opponent.
The hausas even in their home state don't get too involved in the politics. They believe that those people who govern them are good at it. And that's why sometimes you see them practising what I may call 'blind royalty'. They don't get so much into politics even in their home state so, it will be very strange to see them getting involved in other states.
Again, let me say it that I did not totally agree that it is politicians behind these riots. I have cited examples where riots have nothing to do with politics at all.
Even if the politicians are behind it, does that explain why the riots must result to northerners killing southerners (usually more of IGBOS).
Politicians can use thugs to organize a riot in the south but they cannot succeed in using these thugs to kill people en masse.
That is to say that northerners have the urge to kill southerners in them and thats why its easy for their politicians to stir up that urge in them and put it into action.
I have never disagreed that hiring thugs and assasins are despicable crimes. The only place where we will disagree is that its only politicians that use almajiris and other people that kill during northern riots.
Its possible that politicians might have used them on some riot occassions, we cannot even prove it. But what about the riots that are unconnected with politics like the Koran wiping etc? The fact is that either due to religious or ethnic inclination of the north, these riots are bound to happen.
It is not politicians. Why are politicians down south not using area boys to kill northerners in times of riot.
Just think about it.
so we are agreed that both hiring thugs and hired assasins and paying almajiris to cause trouble are despicable actions right?
lets forget about the difference between the two,do you agree or disagree that both these actions while they might be different actually serve the politicians purpose same way?
you really think either the south east/west politicians will suddenly give up that easily or the northern politicians?
why do you think the north are so behind educationally from the rest of nigeria if not that their so called imams and politicians have systematically held them down just so they will remain ignorant,and illiterate?
im sure you agree that it is easier to control and brainwash an illiterate and less enlightened individual into doing whatever you want than individuals who are educated and that is the power/hold the politicians have over them,that is why you never see anyone admit either publicly ir privately where the underlying reasons are so divert suspicions
None of these people will be set free by any court not to talk of the Almighty himself.
The point here is that the two crimes are unrelated. Why not compare the crime of Jos killing with that of deadly highway armed robbery afterall people die in it too.
You are obviously saying that politically motivated ethnic cleansing and politically motivated assassination is the same nature of crime. And I will like to disagree with you.
Tutsis assasinating a Hutu Rwandan President was not the same thing as the Hutus retaliating and killing hundreds of thousands Tutsi civilians.
The first one was an assasination while the second one was genocide.
Although both crimes have politicians behind them.
However, assassination and genocide was not obviously considered the same kind of crime if not why are the perpetrators of the assasination not being tried in a UN court.
You want me to point out the cause of the problem and thats where I will tell you that the solutions to the two problems are different.
People have to stop being greedy to stop hiring thugs to prove their political point and
Bigots/extremists have to stop listening to everything their religion or leaders tell them.
Now, as you can see,
These two solutions aint gonna follow the same procedure.
I served close to the North, no amount of education or religion can eradicate the nonsense piled up into those nuisances in the north. The same education that has been there over the years, what changes has it made to them? The north are stereotyped into thinking unilaterally. At the least provocation, they are ready to pick their dagger and off they go.
E.g: The most popular car brand of car in the north is the Honda. Even with the vast diversities of cars and knowledge as to how one brand of car differs from another, they are stereotyped into thinking if it is not Honda, they do not have a car yet. With such a stereotype, pray tell me what education or religion in the next ten years can wipe it out of them?
How does taxation correlate to reducing those blood thirsty vampires of the Nigerian North? Which mallam are you going to tax? A mallam who inserts knife into his fellow mallam in order to remove the dirt residing inside his nose?
As far as I care, let the North go. They have been nothing other than trouble, mass violence and high joblessness.
Believe the worst part. Served in a town with only 1 church. Did evangelism in villages where no church has ever dared to visit.
My dear, if we've spent half of the amount we spend in building 1m capacity halls on evangelism and education in the North. In 10 years we would be singing a new song.
i hear and understand you,BUT are any different from each other in a court of law??
let us assume they were both to be judged say by GOD for instance,will the hired killers be set free and the fanatics be condemned?you see the logic of my comments here?
the point here is that these religious fanatics have politicians behind them.
these assasins and thugs have politicians behind them.
in your own opinion,who do you think is the cause of the problem from what i have evaluated?
thanks for sayn im not silly,but if you said i was,well my comments and the rationale for making them is clear for anyone to read and decide if i am making sense or not, i personally will not allow some politicians hiding somewhere dictate my mind set to me or play me and my emotions like playstation
I have tried elsewhere to convince you that hired assasins and group of northern religious bigots are not the same.
Lets look at it this way,
Assasins are different from bigot/extremist. The former kill for money bc the see it as their 'job' but the later kill out of hate.
An assasin will kill almost anyone but these bigots wont kill someone they consider to be in their group.
Stop comparing these things. They make you look silly which i know you are not.
i have always said it anywhere that i am a de tribalised nigerian and i dont have an allegiance to any single tribe as i see myself first and foremost a s nigerian,rather than going off on a tangent i think you should state what you actually disagree with in my comment so that i will have a chance to defend it rather than making unreasonable comments about me being adedibu,nwosu and what not
1.do you agree or disagree with the assertion that there are criminals ,murderers e.t.c amongst all the tribes and not just the hausas, remember bola ige's killers,funso williams e.t.c killers are still walking around free,check the other thread where five little kids were killed in cold blood in ekiti,im sure you are conversant with the ones in oyo state and osun including other south western states,same goes for the east the assasination of the nba chairman and his pregnant wife i cold blood amongst other killings i dnt remember off head
2.as to my second assertion,isnt it obvious that the almajiris/political thugs are being teleguided to do all these stuffs?or dyu think they all just woke up one day and decided to start killing all these people?if you r in nigeria then you will remember the time policemen made a huge discovery of a cache of arms and ammunitions in dangote trailers covered with wheat, it was shown on tv and much ado was made about it but up untill today nothing has been done, if you dont know then i hope you realise that our politicians use religion and ethnicity as a primer to detonate often ignorant,illiterate youths into SinParties of mayhem and destruction, same thing happened in osun state between pdp where about 10-20 ppl were killed last year,same happened intermitently in ibadan which you have read in the news, if hausas were that wicked and hated every other tribe pls answer these questions,
a)how come thousands of ibos ,yorubas and other tribes are not being killed all the time in lagos where they all live,trade and socialise together in harmony?i know there was a riot but that was years ago and a one off.
b)what are the proportion of hausas/northerners who actually have families in abuja or amongst the politicians?what are the proportion of hausas/northerners who have wealthy businessmen/women as families or guardians?
im sure you will agree with me that if you had rich parents or guardians you wont be drinking embalming fluid or getting hish on gutter fumes
Our so-called leaders from southern Nigeria have failed us abeg. There is nothing keeping them from speaking
with one voice demanding these culprits to be held accountable.
There is nothing keeping southern members of the national assembly from holding hearings regarding these killings.
Like I said earlier, the hausa/fulani of the north are taking advantage of the fact that we the people of southern
Nigeria are not united.
When people know they can treat you like shiit and you are going to sit there every time like a lame duck,
they will keep treating you like shiiit !!!
People have called me names but unless one understands the mindset of Islamists,you'll never understand why the culprits are set free through a back door even when captured.
Islam tells them there is no punishment when a muslim believer kills a infidel so they are let go.
Oluwatoyin, the teacher in Gombe was killed for "desecrating a Koran",what happened to the killers?
An Igbo lorry driver was pulled off his vehicle and beaten to death because his lorry blew hot smoke on a Koran and desecrated it while he backed up
Of course they got off free,because even here on nairaland bellotti and the rest of them told us desecrating a Koran is punishable by death
This is a learned fellow who works ina an office in Abuja o
and these are the people we're hoping to reason with?
they are incapable of thinking the way humans with a heart think.
The religion is dipped in blood and killings mean nothing to them.
They easily kill their own kids who leave Islam
They kill their kids for suspision of fornication or molest
They kill women for adultery ,fornication and molest
They kill Christians to propagate Islam
and they believe they are doing the work of Allah
Anyone hoping themm to actively do something knows nothing of what they beleive.
It's not a matter of how but when will the next northern killings start.
That was a thread that told us the almajiris of northern Nigeria are sniffing gutters to get high.
[b]Until those useless parents who send their unwanted kids to a mallam to turn them into jihadists are arrested and dealt with and the mallams that teach them this muslim extremist views are locked up for life,these things would continue.[/b]Almajirism should be outlawed.That's a good place to start.