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Jos Killings How Do We Stop This Madness?

The story of the Killings in Jos town is just re-writing itself again, they are out there again and have start another set of Riots, Yeah I support a one Nigeria but what happens when someone comes to your house then brings in his brothers and discovers hes got a larger family then from there he wants to take over your house what will you do? Allow him take over or what? is that how its done? when a Visitor wants to rule you because you were friendly with him and the next thing he wants to claim your property. We have to do something about that and in my own opinion our Visitors are taking us so much for Granted I don't advocate Violence but the Government should stand up to it and spell out things clearly.

We are for Peace but be carefull not to push the goat to the wall, he could develop teeth.

NB: the Point is What do we do to stop the Killing Madness?

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@qoutasystem

you cut the picture of a kid whose parents wasted money sending you to school.

killings happen every where in nigeria because of poverty or how often do you hear of an educated hausa muslim killing in the name of religion?

people in the country are hungry and will use any excuse to vent their anger and just so you should know more hausa muslims were killed in the crisis than the christians.

the problem remains leadership and political will power!

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Ewu awusa without brain, do all Americans and Europeans live in America and Europe despite their places being the best in the world? Senseless question of Yorubas and other nigerian minorities when it comes to Igbos living outside Igboland. Lazy people that can't venture outside their areas to try and make a better living for themselves, but seeing Igbos doing the same thing warrants them to become jealous and start asking their "national anthem" silly questions about why should Igbo immigrate to their areas to surpass them in achievements.

Anumanu, must i be born in 1969 to know what happened before and after then? That's why most of you nigerians are dumb heads. There are historians who can accurately tell you what happened 300 years ago, yet when an Igbo discusses about Biafra, it becomes reason for you idiotic nigerians to question when he was born. I still maintain that the most three names that you nigerians are most afraid of are BIAFRA, IGBO and OJUKWU. Just mention any of these three names and you will notice a nigerian start panicking.

See you mouth, " a Biafra that no one want to join" Has there been anytime that we Igbos wanted you lazy assholes inside our Biafra? You lazy ones,  especially the Yorubas and awusas are the ones that need to depend on Igbos for your daily survival. If not, try and support the agitation for the breaking up of your silly nigeria which 99.9% of Igbos are in support of breaking it. You lost people that are awusa Christians. Seems you are even awusa and claiming niger delta. Now go ahead without shame and tell us which ethnic group you belong to. Ewu awusa.

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I don't doubt that it is speculation that has not been confirmed, but I am inclined to believe Thisday rather than your speculations which are not based on any source.

One more thing to note - Thisday could not verify the FIGURE, meaning the number of people involved is in question. That means there is truth in the report that an armed group was intercepted, the number of people is the unknown quantity.

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@debosky

Only Thisday carried that news and also speculate that it may be a rumour as they can't confirm if it is true. You can read your link again.

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Killing one another cannot help us, Killing innocent citizen in the name they are visitors as he stated it. This is some one who claim to support on Nigeria.Please Tapiya can you give us an explicit definition of the word one Nigeria. This has been an attitude of an average Nigerians even to the top politician in the country. We Preach and confess the gospel of one Nigeria while in our heart of heart all we carries along and proffess is a divided Nigeria.For this reason Nigeria has remained stagnant, no moving forward at worst backward. Even bible said it that 2 can never work together except they agree (from their heart).

Am one of great supporter of one Nigeria but what happens in that country makes me to rethink my stand towards that. i can't imagine were a citizen of the so called one Nigeria being brutalised by some touts, jst because they are in some other part of the same country insearch green pasture.The worst part of it is that even the so called leaders has done absolutely nothing to stop this barbaric acts.

The gravity of ethnic discriminations we have in the so called one Nigeria seems to be greater than the racial discrimination we face outside Nigeria. If Nigeria can't stand or move forward as a nation then i think the leaders of different ethnics should come together in agreement for separation. Let us stop deceiving ourselves.

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I tired oh, a known person from my church was shoot 4 times, but we thank God that his not dead.

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did you notice that those "500 men" intercepted by the police did not even have any type of gun on them save for a few walking sticks. They have probably been released to go and escort their cattle to greener pastures.

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Where did you get the notion that the Hausa Muslims are more in number in Jos North?. I was born in Jos and I grew all my life in Jos - from my primary to my university level and can confidently tell you that there is no truth in that statement. These people are only concentrated in a small part of the local government-  Angwan Rogo, Some part of Nasarawa, Angwan Rimi, Some part of Alikazure, some part of Gangere and a few others.  You know why the king of Jos is called the Gbom Gwom Jos?

Please dont try to lay claims here. What you should be talking of is how this kind of situation can be averted in future. Unfortunately its the main indigenes that suffer the consequences of this riots. The hausas can always go back to there home town, the igbos and yorubas aswell but not for this people.

And please no one should talk of One Nigeria until I can go to Kano and live without the fear of being killed because I mentioned Mohammed or touched a book called Koran. Mind you this is what usually cause a revenge mission in the south.

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http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=129535&printer_friendly=1

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major paper reporting it doesnt confirm that Nigeria Police can arrest 500 men at a time.

They will need about 5 amoured personnel carrier with a threat to shoot on any sign of movement from the suspects.

Have you seen policemen arrest people in a group like that?

Unless you are telling me that those mallams are too silly to know when to run.

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I haven't seen any major paper report this, please post a link so i can confirm this

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The police have arrested 500 individuals with weapons. Check your facts and stop misleading readers. Emotional arguments not based on facts lie beneath many of the current crises we are facing in Nigeria. Your present attitude will only contribute to the problem

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Are you currently living in Delta state? What are all those Hausa and Yoruba people doing in PH? Nigerians have the right to live wherever they like without intimidation.

If this mayhem happened in PH, everyone would say Ijaw militants again but these Hausa militants have killed and plundered a town and no single arrest was made. SHAME!!!  

When 12 policemen were killed in ODI, that blood thirsty tribalist (Danjuma) sent soldiers to go and kill everybody in Odi; now Policemen and soldiers were attacked in Jos and no one is sending battalions to go and kill all those scoundrels in Jos. No commandoes were sent To Molest, maim and kill the remaining people in the town.This injustice will end one day!!!!

How can Hausa people be free to live in Lagos and PH without stress but go crazy when they see Non Hausa people?

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How to stop the madness is by shoot-at-sight.

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Well,

For those who think Biafra will be a failed state without the oil of the ND,

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-186168.128.html#msg3026190

You can also read the whole thread and see the achievements of ours, without ND oil.

PS: The G7 Nations are not oil dependent economies. Biafrans are business/technology oriented.

Obrigado.

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@ quotasystem

I am from Delta State and i can never be ashamed to say it, But you igbos feel like the world cannot do without you people, If you get your own Biafra Country would you live in it, If you would tell me what you where looking for in jos and not one of your states, live the people alone and stop pointing fingers and talking about the silly biafra that has no head or tail and nobody wants to join you in your silly biafra movement,

I am not justifying what was done in jos, but for you to open your silly smelling nonsense racist and non thinking mouth to talk trash about me must mean your brain doesn't really function well, and you would ever remain a fool,

Those that were killed in jos were not only igbos or whateva you think, i lost people that were hausa christians and i mean christians not muslims, So my friend it's not all bout you being igbo,

SORRY TO SAY BUT THEY ARE JUST SO SHALLOW MINDED, and the day you show us that you can think for others and not just yourself would be the day biafra might just be ready to work, and this message is for quotasystems, i repeat you are a fool, and you were not even born in 1966 thinking you know it all,

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in one wierd way i agree with u.

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The madness has almost stopped. The Christians and so called non indigenes are getting wiser. They should as much as possible reside close to each other and have enough ammunition stored up for the rainy day. When those miscreants and hooligans decide to go on rampage, they will remember the number of their people that died the last time to think again. The issue of rigging is a non factor; all over Nigeria elections are rigged. If you feel so strongly then the courts are open. In summary only a balance of force can stop this madness.

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Your Niger Delta people like OBJ rightly pointed is full of lazy people, igbos wont even take if there is going to be biafra because u will self destruct in a short period.

lazy morons.

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Stop blabbing about n/d and proffer your supposed solution. Kill more Igbos because there's no punishment for that in nigeria?

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its a pity.i thot we wanted to delibrate abt the killings in jos.instead we are at war with words of our mouth.i wonder when this tribalism rubbish will end,majority and minority is all nonsense,the truth is tht we all need each other to survive.some are even talking abt biafra,imagine,BIAFRA is long dead and gone,it only lives in the mind of few.even if biafra was establish,without the nigerdelta region it will b a wasted effort.and without our region the whole nation will b in trouble.am frm the nigerdelta,proud to b and always will b.LETS RENEW OUR MIND AND LIVE IN PEACE WITH OURSELVES IN RESPECTIVE OF OUR TRIBES.COS ITS ALL VANITY UPON VANITY

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Long meaningless story.

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VIOLENCE does not in anyway justify a course of action no matter how valid the basis for the action may be. Considering the fact that I am not privileged to have first hand information on the genesis of the crises, I will go by what I have read on pages of papers and heard on the electronic media. From what I have gathered so far, protests by some youths in condemnation of unhealthy practices which brought about suspicion of perceived rigging by the election officials during the course of collating election results in Jos North LGA formed the genesis of the whole fracas. In as much as the reports didn't state that the protests were carried out in a violent manner, the security agents in an attempt to disperse the crowd  gathered to ensure that their votes were protected at the collating center in Gada biyu provoked the crowd into reacting which resulted in the shooting of an individual by the police. All accounts clearly state that the Plateau State Independent Electoral Commission moved the collation of the results to three different locations for reasons best known to them at times when the collation were almost nearing conclusion and after the ANPP candidate was said to have surpassed the votes of the PDP candidate by about 30,000 votes. This formed the basis for suspicion of a conceived motive to rig the election. Moreover, majority of the Victims who lost their lives were adjudged to have sustained bullet wounds following the shoot at sight order as directed by the state governor after the whole thing assumed a serious dimension for reasons best known to him.  

From my understanding, the security agents were working on prior instructions to disperse the crowd at all cost irrespective of their motive for being present at the collation center. This was what actually incited the waiting crowd who to the best of their knowledge didn't adopt any illegal means prior to the attack on them by the police. They saw the action of the police as un-justjust and un-called for with a premeditated-meditated attempt to ensure safe passage of the election officials who they believed were bent on rendering their mandates insignificant. Lets face it, both the PLASIEC and the security agents share a vast portion of the blame for creating a suspicious environment in the first place. Had the collation been conducted transparently enough, the results would not have prompted for the breakdown of law and order. The major cause in simple terms is absolute disregard for the mandate of the people and the imposition of an unpopular candidate by the authority at all cost. If I remember clearly, the same instance almost took place in Kano during the 2003 governorship elections between Rabiu Kwankwaso of the PDP and Ibrahim Shekarau of the ANPP when it was glaringly obvious that the entirety of Kano wanted the PDP booted out of office. It took the serious intervention of community leaders and royal fathers to call off any attempts by the PDP being the ruling party as at that time to impose the unpopular candidate upon the people. The decision to allow the will of the people to prevail saved the populace from a mayhem that could have been adjudged the most bloody in the history of Nigerian politics.

THE WAY OUT: LET THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE PREVAIL AT ALL TIMES!!!

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Men i really dont understand how people can kill for religion it just doesnt make sense to me at all.

I really hope and pray this thing stops as soon as possible.

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ha this thread can as well be closed

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Dude, how do you know? From your safe distance in Canada? When you raise a false logic, it tends to confuse the issue on the ground.

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Jos boy am from Jos north Anaguta by tribe I grew up In Jos and So I know Jos in and out, they could be the single most populated Ethnic group but do not forget that there are other tribes that when they add up will be much more in Population to the Hausas.

So stop having the nortion that becos there are more of them in the LGA that they should win the Election, I took you up on the fact that even Jang was a member of the ANPP before 2007 So the ANPP does not only comprise of the Hausas and the same thing with the PDP so Lets not stand and try to Justify their actions cos thats what you are trying to do.

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You did not answer my question, but thanks Sir.

I asked you who are the majority in Jos North LGA, go ahead say the ethnic group?

FYI I am very much against the acts that the Hausa's carried out in my beloved Plateau St.

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What terms are you talking about? Religious or Ethnic?

if its Religious then there are more Christians In Jos than the Muslims, Like I highlighted to you the other time where we have a very good Christian Population and where we have more Muslims.

And for Christ's Sake cos the was an allegation that the election was rigged should not have been a reason for you to start burnng Houses and Churches, you could have simply go to the courts of Law thats all and pursue your case. if you so much believe that it was supposed to be in your favour.

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Hey JosBoy what's up, I had to come to this site after hearing the horrible news from home, I hope none of your folks was affected.

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Tapiya, who are the majority in Jos North LGA? Be honest and sincere.

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you all know I started this thread and what I asked for was how we were going to stop the madness, we must admit that its madness, yeah hatred played a part in my starting post, cos I did not see a reason why someone should come to your house beat you and then wants to stop you from crying. but the Issue was how do we stop it? and no one except tpia that has said something close to what could go as a solution, but the problem with Nigeria is when you talk about Legistlations there you remember that Nigeria is never too go at follwing the law, that is a problem.

So what do we do?

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lol. . .i guess that is why I always seem to catch rotting fish

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I really agree with the elimination of the almajiri culture, i has cost this country alot even in the past

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there's human beings and there's animals.

i'm not sure onye ugbu is human enough to warrant any response, really.

interesting points however.

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blacks own is too much.

Other races fight wars, destroy themselves and move on afterwards.

Blacks find it hard to implement the "move on" part. Their own violence is too cyclic, and thats why they dont progress. the little progress they manage to have, they still destroy if care isnt taken.

instead you'll find them everywhere blaming one outside party or the other or their problems.

Does mpele need to bring his big mouth here to remind people how it goes.

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we are Nigerians and we must face our problems in the original Naija way. the solution to prevent this kind of occurance is POWER SHARING. I believe if we understand that starting from our home and extending it to the national level, it will help avert crisis like this. this occurance can happen anywhere. it can happen when a particular group or region is pushed to the wall.

lets us save our face from the international communities by avoiding any action that could lead to violence.

let us learn to see each other like brothers.

To The Northeners, you fellow brothers (even almajiris) are living freely across the southern part of this country even when we have our own crisis.

Josboy, you sound as if u lost the election. take heart and encourage ur group to try again

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Short term: Tougher legislature and law enforcement to prevent such massive loss of life when chaos like this ensue

Medium term: Convocation of an SNC and other talkshops to restructure our polity with the ultimate emergence of a true Nigerian constitution by Nigerians for Nigerians which considers all aspects of our diversity.

Long term: Elimination of the almajiri culture and provision of Universal basic education for all with adequate civics instruction to provide a true national orientation.

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You are right tpia, though I do disagree with the references to the black race as the Irish were fighting and detonating bombs not so long ago due to differences between Catholicsm and Protestantism while Sarajevo is also fresh in the memory and what of the Sunnis and shites in iraq, Kurds in Turkey e.t.c.

Small mindednes if you ask me, hence Jonanthan Swift's depiction of the Lilliputians going to war over whether to break an egg from the small end or the big end.

The Homo Sapiens specie does have a tendency to self destruction but it is not specific to those characterised by the abundance of melanin pigmentation in the skin, to believe otherwise is to swallow some bigoted caucasian's belief of them being a superior race.

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oya tufia tpia tell us how to prevent it.

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isnt this typically Nigerian.

still no valid discussion on the causes and prevention of this type of madness which makes blacks in general and Nigerians in particular prone to kill each other over any flimsy excuse.

Instead we're here debating anything but the real issues.

na today?

bunch of lemmings.

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What has Igbos wanting their own country got to do with your own ethnic group also wanting your own country so that you can manage yourselves on your own very way? Do we stop you from developing at your own pace? Why do you so much want to live in the same county with the Igbos? All you nigerians want is to stall the Igbo people's development in the name of living together in one country while calling Igbo's push for secession a greed. Does that not sound silly and idiotic?

Stop pointing fingers when your masters are killing Igbo on daily bases through religious riots. Yorubas are crying now because it have affected them this time around. I know none of your ethnic person have ever falling victim to this awusa gworo madness, so that's why it must be business as usual for you just as it was for the Yorubas earlier on. Ewu awusa tell us which ethnic group you belong.

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if that is how u bait, then your not just a waste of time, you are a bad fisher too.

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dis thing isn't nu 2 me, i'm a full blooded christian and hav seen hw d bible is interpreted and reinterpreted by many preachers,

d problem isn't islam its d wicked and cold hearted people who use it to incite people and control their minds to do such acts of wickedness jus lyk in Jos and Mumbai,

d brainwashing had been going on for many years all it needed was a torch to blow it up and that is what d election did, to set up another round of ethnic and religious cleansing jus like it happened in yugoslavia and most of africa, it only shows the wickedness of our elders who call themselves our leaders and their backwardness, also i blame those fighting whether northern or eastern who are tagging this as a religious war or whatever, i felt nigerians were more fun loving and easy going people than to be allowing themselves to be used for another man's vendetta against some set of people for some reasons best known to them,

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The govt should be held responsible. Take the instance of Edo verdict,there were enough security men, why wasnt that the case here. Yes you can say it local govt but does it matter, and to hear that the signs were already there is painful. May God grant the souls of those lost(innocent ones) peace and the Families as well, especially that of the corps member. I also feel that thing called NYSC should be scraped. I cant imagin the lives of those ladies, a sight that  will always reoccur in their lives.

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EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSE!!

dnt implies runnin around with knives in massin;killin people!!

doesnt warrant burnin churches

till people like IBB, useless and parastic emirs and co comes out to condem these attrocites, i foresee another massacre pending

lets stop foolin ourselves, the north got a very very big huge massive enormous problem!!

even the niger-delta aint as fuc  ked as these vampires are?

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Not at all, after all the old USSR was created by Stalin and scattered by Gorbachev. My point is that there are a lot of stakeholders in this project called Nigeria and that an individual's opinion might become totally irrelevant or ridiculous if rigidly adhered to without giving room to hear other opinions. I was only requesting that my dear Redhotchic ponder awhile before going totally gung-ho on the idea of splitting up Nigeria. Even if we are going to break up, I would prefer a peaceful and negotiated breakup.

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I believe the Fight is Over now and Nigeria is still United, Once in a while you must have ethnic or religious violence but not forgetting the fact that Nigeria is still a peaceful nation, I am from the south and happen to have travelled a lot around the country and i must not fail to point out the fact that as much as the easternerns have always desired to have their own country, it is totally unfair to the rest of the Nation, Greed has eaten up with every 1 of the geo-political zones and nobody is innocent, Stop pointing fingers and lets look for a solution, People here talking about what happened in 1966 don't even know what happened, all they know is they would have had their own, GREED ALL OVER AGAIN, Stop the HATE,

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This is absolutely silly and senseless, what point are this hoodlums trying to get across by killing innocent people?

it's actually true that illiteracy is a decease and I still believe we need a dynamic and proactive action to liberate this nation.

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so because some people created something, no one can split it again? even if it was badly created?

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