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Obama Would Fair Better As Vice President?

In continuation of a recent post here "Obama for President?" I looked at this situation and come to realize that it is best Obama enters as a vice-president. WHY you might ask??

If Obama were to be nominated:

Do you seriously think that America is ready for a black president?

Do you seriously think that Obama would be able to edge out John Mccain (my probable nominee from Republicans), Mitt Romney, or Mike Huckabee?

Who would become Obama's vice, Clinton?? NO WAY; Edwards?? Would be greatest mistake of Obama.

Bill Clinton's support for Obama would be zilch (zero), and that would make it even more difficult for him to win.

The truth of the matter is that Obama for president sounds good on paper, but I so much believe that he is best suited as the Vice president, by so doing, himself and Hillary would form a formidable force, and would have the votes of Independents and youths, whom I believe would play a vital role in who becomes president. Besides they would offer a stiffer opposition for the Republicans. I want the Democrats to win, and the only way is Clinton for President, Obama for vice.

What do you think?

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@WoleIsrael,

I feel your passion about all this change issue, but your question

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I strongly disagree with you. based on this reason

OBAMA has we've seen in the couple of months has proven beyond reasonable doubt that he will be better off Hillary or Edwards.

i think what we need now is change, and when we talking about change it does not mean bringing back the old politicians.

equally, i think America is ready for a black president,

SUGGESTION , I THINK HILLARY WOULD BE BETTER AS VICE PRESIDENT !!!

WHAT DO U THINK ABOUT THAT

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Mckren and others it is great to be American supporters but unless you have the rights to vote in the USA it is no benefit to the obama team.

Yes i am a supporter of the changes that have being clearly exposed in the US presidential election because it clearly demonstrates that the Us equality gap is even more narrow and a significant monopoly influence to the rest of the world beyond Africa and America.

this debate is pointless unless we discuss the advancements of the fantastic results in the US and what this is saying about the Americans and what it would say about the rest of the world tomorrow.

we should be thinking about the implications this will have towards our treatment of race equality as both Africans and Caribbean, talking about the presidential election is only news of today but old news tomorrow, what will be in effect is what it means for the future of our race.

We cling to much of influential figures such as obama and martin luther king yet carry on the continuous voice for change, majority of the bridging the gap has being that of the white race.

i am not saying that we don't help ourselves to an extend but rather that we hide in the shadows of such figures still the next influential figures motivates us again.

regardless of anything progress is a continuous struggle as a race is that we as a community not of that of individuals

this would be a more interesting topic if title 'Does obama's success in significant voting results mark a new error of progress for equality'

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@MCKren,

Like I said, I am an Obama supporter. Does it make sense for him to get to the pinnacle of it all and then loose out.

This is my take:

- If Obama is nominated, Edwards would probably become his Vice, and guess what they would loose. (Hillary has too much ego to settle for Vice).

- If Hillary is nominated, and someone else other than Obama is her vice, she would loose the election to the republicans (particularly McCain) because she doesn't appeal to the Independents and to the Youths who would most likely determine the outcome of the election.

- The only formidable combination is Hillary for President, Obama for Vice. That combination would defeat any republican representative. This would give Obama the much needed publicity to the whole world of what he can do, and prepare him for the next election.

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Well Obama will not accept that advise from you because his campaign is based on the politics of hope and rejecting the politics of fear. He believes he can not win if he is afraid of loosing it.

But most importantly, if he starts thinking of being VP, he may not even get it because it is not entirely up to him to decide who becomes VP.

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@ McKren,

Absolutely right. You made wonderful points.

But then there are some things that are best taught over time. Hillary has spent much more time in politics and government than has Obama. That really may not mean much, but then it is something worth noting.

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Just have 2 points to make

1. Nobody runs for Vice President though looks like John Edwards is positioning himself as Obama's vice, but legally nobody does

2. Nobody is experienced to be President except they had been President before.

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Who controles the democrats and the Republican  party ??.    THE FEDERAL RESERVE CONTROL BOTH.

Your vote will not prevent you from debt to the banking cartels.

IF you vote for a presidential canidate and still be in debt,  then your problem is not solve but you have been deceived again,    

If you want to remain a slave to the banks and all so pay for your slavery,  go ahead and VOTE

(MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE )

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@ Vigasimple,

So you mean to tell me that you sincerely believe that Obama can become the president of AMERICA, I mean AMERICA?? I am not very sure about that. Winning Democratic nominee may not be unachievable, but if he does winning the white house I think is a feat,

But as you rightfully said, only time would tell. So lets wait and see.

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@ Vigasimple,

So you mean to tell me that you sincerely believe that Obama can become the president of AMERICA, I mean AMERICA?? I am not very sure about that. Winning Democratic nominee may not be unachievable, but if he does winning the white house I think is a feat,

But as you rightfully said, only time would tell. So lets wait and see.

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Once the super Tuesday comes and go, Hilary clinton( if she wins) and Bill clinton are pragmatic politicians and would look at the demographics.

If she win's and didn't draft OBAMA for VP, she may have a battle in her hands against the GOP.

In any event the process is still ON, and nobody believes that OBAMA will give Hilary run for her money, even she and Bill thinks it will be a stroll in the park. that is why Bill Clinton started to attack OBAMA as 'fairy tale'. why didn't he wait for him and his wife to have a bruise nose in NH before even Hillary talking down on the accomplishment of Martin luther king jr. It is a sly on black race in a way as bellitling what MLK did and what OBAMA can do.

She is still in the race because of 'teary eyes' appealing to women voters 'the go girly thing' appealling to them to say this is the women time. she was on the brink of losing NH and then the race maybe over for her because she was going to pull out of Nevada and S.C to concentrate on Super duper tuesday which is Guiallni tactics which as we all know is now backfiring badly and he RUDY might go empty handed.

I think RACE is still a clear dividing line in America so that may affect OBAMA. For example in NEVADA even the Latino and Hispanics are voting against African American because of 'ethinic competition' Richardson their man didn't get anything more than 5%

Also very interesting despite OBAMA loosing the popular vote in NEVADA, he won 1 more delegate than Hilary, and the winnning margin is 51% to 45% and 5% for Edwards that says a lot for a man who was about 20% behind just 5 weks ago.

OBAMA may pull this off and if he does, even the independents and Republicans will vote for him.

TIME AS THEY SAY WILL TELL.

OBAMA ALL THE WAY, CHANGE WE CAN BELEIVE IN, FIRED UP AND READY TO GO.

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and so?

Assuming your "highly placed" source of information is correct, pray tell me why it should make any

difference strategically for Obama to withdraw now?

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Hiliary will win the nomination and guess what - she would not even consider obama for VP. it would be btw Gen Wesley Clark and Sen Evan Bayh.

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why waste time. Hillary would not be president of the USA. Why waste vote. I have nothing against her.  Look if Democratic present hillary. The republical would win the white house. That is my prediction. You need a white male on the democratic party side. I am been honest, nothing against women. They would tear her apart. The Republical machine is too powerful for a woman.

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By The Way,

Nigeria is playing Ivory Coast as we write, still 0-0

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LMAO,

hehe, Edwards is a figure-head - that's why he's perfect for Obama! lol. Someone who can bring in not a huge crowd but just enough votes/support for Obama to win.

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@Iyke D

You are absolutely right. Nothing to loose, but everything to gain. And of course, now is not a time for Obama to throw in the towel. Give Hillary a run of her life and money. At least they would know that just because they are the "Clintons" doesnt guarantee anything for them.

And what do you think though about the mention of John Kerry for vice. Do you think he would take it. Remember he endorsed Obama for president.

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What is the use of making a deal now? Its not like its a living contract that can be enforced in a

court of law.

The best thing Obama can do is do what he his doing now. If in the end, Hillary emerges, then

Obama makes himself even more valuable than before as it will be obvious to all that he his what

is needed to pull in those voters that are not fans of Hillary - the moderates, independents, young

voters, etc. Obama has everything to gain and nothing lose - why not milk it!

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@JeSeoul,

I don't now it can happen that edwards and Obama would win. See my previous post. But now that you mentioned Kerry. That may be a very intersting name to fly around,

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 It's hard to say. If he gets the dem nomination he'll need a very influential person becos he cannot win against the Reps riding on his own charisma and draw alone. I think he'll stand a much better chance with Edwards vs Richardson.

 or maybe he'll fish out John Kerry to join him - since kerry has already given him his support. Now that would be intresting to see!

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this is politics, i tell you, if it remain the way it is going republical would return to power. Obama would win the democratic ticket but it is a diffeent story with the white house. John Edward would beat the republical. If I am Obama, I would make a deal with Edward. and give my delegate vote to him and run as vice president. This way democratic would win. I still believe that the USA is not ready for a black president or a female president. may be next time. There is too much wahala in the USA govt now, that I think they are not ready. The best for black people in the USA is try to get 20 senator in congress to reflect population. Obama is a wonderful man but some time in politics race may have his advantage and disadvantage . With Iraq and iran can a woman handle the mistake, too much. too much wahala, I am not saying Obama would not win. I may be wrong. He look good winning the Democratic. I do not see anything stopping him , not even clinton. Even in Nevada , he lead her in delegate. Number of vote do not matter. it is the delegate that those. remember Al Gore case, Edward/obama would beat any of the Republic candidate with Obama vice president

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@DayoKanu,

Now you made a very intersting point. I support your notion, but does America support it?

The way I see it, Obama is intellectual, needless to say that he realistic plans. His plan on healthcare for instance is more realistic and feasible in my books. He plans to spend $60B while Edwards and Clinton plans on $100B on a plan that doesn't seem realistic to me. And like you righfully said, the Clinton's are playing dirty politics. But let us not forget how influential the CLinton's are. I really hope am wrong and that you are right but think about it my broda.

In as much as this guys blows my mind off with what he says and how he plans to accomplish all his goals, I really don't think he has the same effect on the INNER CAUCUS - the real rulers of America.

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@Wordsmith

In as much as you are right, would America be ready 4 to 8 years from now for a black president, one thing for sure is he would have more experience than where he stands now.

In addition, Obama is smart, he would take it upon himself to do "stuff" that would show that he is capable and competent. More than anything else, Obama's color is what puts him at a disadvantage, but in addition is the fact that he has no "experience". Over time he would overvcome the "experience issue, he would still have to deal with his race, but guess what that may not really come into play at that time.

This is just my opinion, I may be wrong.

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I don't doubt you at all, but like I said anything can happen and it is possible. Obama was written

off and then he won Iowa (not really a place where you find that many non-whites). I may be wrong but

I believe why Clinton may have won the popular vote in Nevada, Obama won the delegates which is still

the key.

Even at that, the margin of victory for Clinton in the last few elections is nothing to be proud of. It will eventually boil down to what will happen in the much bigger states (super Tuesday). The first turning point

for Obama was winning Iowa as that signaled to the "establishment" that he is electable.

Sure, there are die-hard racists out there, but the minute the "establishment" is ready to carry a candidate, then the actions of those few won't really amount to much because as you know the "establishment" will

not only support a candidate financially, but will use its vast resources to begin to shape opinions about their

candidate.

I am not saying it will be a cakewalk, but the ruling party has made such a mess of things that its going to be hard for some people to walk away from this intelligent guy with a can-do attitude simply because of the color of his skin. There have been a few black mayors and governors - most of them didn't get there by relying solely on the black voters. Finally, don't underestimate the hatred the republicans have for Hillary.

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@Seguntx,

If Obama can not win the presidency its not Clinton to tell. Hilary hardly talks about her plans for America rather its always about Obama. Now Clinton who I so much respect is now into this too. What a shame. Instead Obama takes it in a more matured way despite the two way attack on her Bill and Hilary even went as far as making reference to Obama's race and the fact that he used drugs as a youth what is all that for?

SegunTX,

Obama did not contest Michigan because of the Democratic party ruling.

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. . .and in that 4-8 years time, will America be ready for a black president?

Food for thought. . .

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@DayoKanu

In as much as I detest the behavior of the Clinton's, the reality that we live in or that we have to face is the fact that Obama if he wins the nomination can never win the white house by himself. America still get that thing for their blood way be say they would never allow it. Let us not forget that whites make up a significant amount of the American population. America is better ready for a female white president than a black male president.

As Jesoul put it, I really think Obama's best bet is to take vice presidency now, and come back 8 years from now for presidenccy. Then he would have gained enough "experience" plus he is still young.

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@IykeD

Really don't know if winning Iowa really meant that much. Hillary has won three in a row now - New Hampshire, Detroit and Nevada. E go hard for Obama to be nominated, abi you don't think so?

And ttrust me the moment wey Obama becomes nominated, then you would know that there are some die hard whites who would never allow a black president.

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I have always been a Clinton supporter (Bill first) and defended him against references to his womanizing in his life, but now I look at his behavior in this campaign

and am thoroughly disgusted. Ihave met people who when they become disgusted with the Clintons, there is no way of changing their minds and I am beginning to

understand their feelings. If Barack is not the candidate, I will really have second thoughts of voting for Hillary and I am a life-long Democrat. Their behavior, when

faced with a serious challenger, is almost sick. And for a former president to behave in such classless behavior is revolting. Why do they (as a couple) feel pre-ordained

to occupy the White House again. And what role will he take as First Man if he is so heavy-handed in the campaign. Bring back Dennis Thatcher (Margaret's husband) who

never uttered a word and let her govern. They now don't go out to campaign again but just to malign Obama and achieve victory at all cost. If Clinton should win

Dem ticket, then McCain can as well stroll to the presidency. Instead of Clinton going out to campaign they taught Obama would just come there to make up the number

After Iowa when she lost woefully they now started playing dirty and Slinging mud at the Illinois senator,

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@Iyke D

I like your analysis on Obama. Nice choice of Word too - "Electable". And that is exactly a truth statement. He has proven that he can win, and has been neck and neck with Clinton all the way, lets just see what happens.

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@ Jesoul,

Who do you suppose Obama would pick for vice president (supposing he is nominated)? I am trying to think but I no sabi.

Another thing way cross my mind be say Clinton may not want to use Obama, but rather decide to use Bill Richardson in a desperate attempt to secure Hispanic votes.

I really wanna know who you think go be vice for Obama though?

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Experience?

How much experience did the current occupant of the office have before being elected?

I think Obama is more than adequately qualified for the job just like Hillary. Folks, don't

confuse Bill Clinton for Hillary Clinton!

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I used to think like that, but then Iowa happened and I realized that just may be it might happen. There

is always a first time for everything. If he wins the nomination, then half of the work is done and it

is very POSSIBLE.

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