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Should A Pastor (tunde Bakare) Join To Carry Placards?

I have been worried for Tunde Bakare Lately, I have seen his active participation in Nigerian Politics, the outburst, and open confrontation, I have observed characteristics of his involvements in many issues that affect the Nigerian Leaders and the country

While I think it is a good involvement considering the inhuman treatment of the Nigerian people by a few Politicians who have high jacked power for selfish purposes and brought shame to the Nigerian people

My concern for the cleric is his overbearing manners and untamed outburst both to the government and his fellow “men of God” if he considers them so,

Recently Tunde Bakare joined in a campaign to oust the President of Nigeria who has been hospitalised according to the media in Saudi Arabia

I have been pondering what a man of God will do in the face of a deluge of problems currently ravaging the land

While it is altogether a Nigerian style to protest every unfavourable condition or even kidnap and kill enemies sometimes as we have seen the society reduce to

Will it be right for a Man of God to join in carrying placards to oust an earthly President?

Considering that the world system is controlled by the devil according

2 corint 4;4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

And knowing that true Christians look for a better city according to

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Why would a man of God try to reclaim the government of the world from those under the influence of the god of this world

Should he insist, what will Elijah do to Ahab?

I am also worried that No “Man of God” has insisted on Praying miraculously to heal the president like Isaiah did to Hezekiah

They can bring God’s Glory to using the ever Powerful Name of Jesus to save the sick President and converting him to Christ afterwards

While the mature ones (Men of God) are silenced and perhaps seeking God secretly on the behalf of the president and Nigeria

Some are renowned for using such political inadequacies to seek cheap popularity and decline the assignment of

Mt 10: 7; 8 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand, Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

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DO you know what Jesus did while on earth? Did you read the Bible at All, while on earth, jesus challenged the existing order, brought it down and started a new religion, Christainity, in case you dont know the jews lived by the Law he brought a new other of Living by Grace

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Aisha, Jesus did not start any religion. Christianity isnt even a word in the bible. Christian(s) however appear twice, I think. The first when non-disciples called disciples by the name, which then was supposed to be derisive. So when Peter mentioned it the second time, he said if anyone is called by name Chriatian and suffers or he's persecuted cos it, it should be cos he is a disciple.

It is today that to be called a Christian is in vogue, that's why it has become a religion. But the truth is that Jesus never started a religion. Please, get a concordance and look for the work KINGDOM and you will see the purpose of Jesus' advent.

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@ marvix and poster, I have followed this thread and read all this arguements for every one contributing to it.

Well, I'm sure we all want a better najia and that is the crux of the matter!

You all have a choice, either you sit and pray and do more sitting and complain, even when others who know better begin to act! Or, you pray and act,

Know that FAITH without WORKS is DEAD!

Guys, do well to read ur bible and know and especially your English dictionary dictionary to understand want protest means!

I believe that other pastors should have the courage to join Pastor Tunde Bakare in this campaign instead of telling their people it is well when it keeps going from bad to worse!

to all the men and women who are joining the Pastor in this campaign, I salute u all!

We must Save Nigeria for us, for our children and for our children's children, this is what the poster, marvix and their friends should be looking at! Not who is bearing the touch for the emancipation of the people.

God is using Pastor tunde Bakare to launch this campaign and I totally support him.

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In Nigeria - there are Men of Gold and not Men of God. They are interested in your tithes just as the politicians are interested in your tax. Birds of feather will always flock together

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You cannot change this world, Only Jesus can change the heart of men, If you reject Jesus and his ways as most comments does seems to suggest, NA LIKE DIS WE GO DEY DEY

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@Alxmyr, Truth is Real Christianity makes you like Zombie as you have coined; I wish i were more like Christ that did not defend his right before Pilate whom He Created, Modern Christianity is a departure from True Christianity 1 Corinthian 4;10 “We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.”

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I read the argument for and against and all I can say is that some people think that being a man of God means being silly. They thought the moment you carry the acronym 'man of God', you are now a zombie, whose job is to pray and pray and do nothing but pray.

There is place for prayer. But your action should tell me whether you have faith in your prayers. The problem of Christendom is we pray for one thing and do exact opposite of what we prayed for. Where pray for good governance, but Christian neither vote nor support election.

We pray for peace, but we neither defend justice nor speak against evil.

I remembered vividly that in 2003 general election, which was widely rigged and flawed with massive irregularities, Obj called an arraign of Men of God to his inauguration service. It was only Pastor Tunde Bakare that came out openly to condemn the actions of these Men of God in validating open fraud and theft of ballot.

I sincerely commend the actions of Pastor Bakare. I believe in what he believes. He is a voice that can never be ignore anywhere in Nigeria. And we know where he stands not only on politics but also on the issue of commercialisation of churches by these cowardly Men of God, who would rather fraternise with Government while people are being killed in front of their University, and yet can not tell their so called friends in government to take security of lives serious.

Pastor Tunde March on

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In forums like these, it is very common to expect responses from different experiences and I dare say, most of the responses are very intelligent as they address the issues headlong, I must say that a man is restricted to the level of information that he has acquired over the years and that does not even impose his understanding on others whose strength of experience far outweighs his little mind.

When it comes to the issues of the bible and those who are guides, the bible speak for it and the information is better understood by a man in whose heart God is

Sometimes is interesting when circular deduction is made or logical reasoning imposed to dictates a right action or wrong action which relates to a person of God as has been done by most respondents

I have seen reference to Moses, and all sort, the Kingdom of God at this time requires that a Christian must allow some form of cheating to be done to them

“ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Mattew 5;38-39 this is what Jesus brought as one of the life in the kingdom,

Let me also remind those who do not know that Isaiah 53;7 said of Jesus “He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.” 1 peter 2;23 also said, “Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:”

We should not follow a type of xtianity by assumption that all actions are acceptable before God

“Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me”. Matt 4; 8-9

It behoves on us to let God fight his cause and not try to help him in suggesting that the God of heaven is weak like most people do

Does god regard distance?

I king 17;1 talks of a man of Authority not a Placard carrier “And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.”

Let us not limit God by carnal wisdom, If we have no business being a man of God, then be a lawyer or whatever

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In forums like these, it is very common to expect responses from different experiences and I dare say, most of the responses are very intelligent as they address the issues headlong, I must say that a man is restricted to the level of information that he has acquired over the years and that does not even impose his understanding on others whose strength of experience far outweighs his little mind.

When it comes to the issues of the bible and those who are guides, the bible speak for it and the information is better understood by a man in whose heart God is

Sometimes is interesting when circular deduction is made or logical reasoning imposed to dictates a right action or wrong action which relates to a person of God as has been done by most respondents

I have seen reference to Moses, and all sort, the Kingdom of God at this time requires that a Christian must allow some form of cheating to be done to them

“ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Mattew 5;38-39 this is what Jesus brought as one of the life in the kingdom,

Let me also remind those who do not know that Isaiah 53;7 said of Jesus “He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.” 1 peter 2;23 also said, “Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:”

We should not follow a type of xtianity by assumption that all actions are acceptable before God

“Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me”. Matt 4; 8-9

It behoves on us to let God fight his cause and not try to help him in suggesting that the God of heaven is weak like most people do

Does god regard distance?

I king 17;1 talks of a man of Authority not a Placard carrier “And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.”

Let us not limit God by carnal wisdom, If we have no business being a man of God, then be a lawyer or whatever

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True dat to some of your stance.  Medium of communication is dynamic, what obtained in the Biblical period may not be applicable today. But the message is the same:

speaking out against injustice.   I have not been following Desmond Tutu for now, I am sure he is still active on some issues.

I agree that pastors have no business with political affliations. Like I said earlier, their primary role is to shepherd, period.

But we cannot ignore their influence in our society.

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Pastor or no pastor,  He is first and foresmost a citizen., a lawyer and therefore has every rightto protest and carry placards. He is doing his civic duties to protest a dubious government.

And, only a Pastor who does not harbour Stealing executhieves can do that, and that is the future of Nigeria. Yo should also read his presentation in the punch newspapers. He was going to do a Live Radio broadcast before NBC cancel the event and he preached it in his church.

I think our brothers up North are just like YAR A'CLUELESS, they have no clue and don't care or see the need to have it since to them development is a priviledge and not a right of citizen.

They are Not interested in development neither do they want the South to develop. Infact, if the OIL from the South South is in the North, they will introduce Sharia Law for the south to accept.

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True dat to some of your stance.  Medium of communication is dynamic, what obtained in the Biblical period may not be applicable today. But the message is the same:

speaking out against injustice.   I have not been following Desmond Tutu for now, I am sure he is still active on some issues.

I agree that pastors have no business with political affliations. Like I said earlier, their primary role is to shepherd, period.

But we cannot ignore their influence in our society.

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I would rather have a Bakare who speaks and act against the stealing politicians

Than a Daddy GO who would host the thieves at his dining table and plan how to exploit the country

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@eyesonyou yes christians yes the pastors can encourage their members when Nathan went to David did he mobilise people to go and question the king he sought his audience got it and passed across Gods message nd left that's d pastors role pray for peace in the land Bishop Desmond Tutu fought against apartheid then all southafricans and indeed africans fought against it but after independence has Desmond been in the news pushin for reforms or can u tell me the Bishops political party? I'm sure that at election time all contestants can approach him for blessings

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I didn't say parents should spare the rod I said they should be neutral that is they should be like Judges in court are not expected to take sides God didn't take sides with Abel he pronounced judgement just like he did in the case of Adam nd Eve in the garden of eden. Paul didn't atleast lead a political protest nd did I say a pastor should not have a political view all I said was that in my opinion it was not right for him to be on the street protesting in a political protest. About elderstatesmen not just anybody assumes dat role take a look at Mandela wen the issue of Mbeki vs Zuma came up can u tell me as a matter of fact on whose side Mandela was. He stood for Justice

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A pastor can speak out against injustice.  Slavery ended because Christians denounced it soundly. William Wilberforce (though not a pastor) single handedly

fought the British parliament to enact law banning slavery.

Carrying placards is everyone's responsibility.  Many famous pastors not only carried placards but demonstrated against injustice. Rev MLK,  Bishop Desmond Tutu

are notable ones. As a matter of fact, the more they speak out, the better for Nigeria. The Bible is replete with many examples, Jeremiah, John the Baptist that was beheaded

for speaking out against Herod, and Nathan who confronted David for his affair with Bathsheba.

Having said that, the primary role of a pastor is to shepherd his flock and instill righteousness into his ward.

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That is NOT always the case. There is NO LAW against Parents taking sides, especially when it patterns to justice. Why in the world do you think the bible advises we SPARE NOT THE ROD? When a child is wrong, a child is wrong. A Parent would be doing the other child harm if he/she chooses not to discipline the child that has erred just because. Look at the story of Cain and Abel and how God took sides almost immediately.

Read your Bible, Paul held a political view and he shared it.

About the elder statement comment, why aren’t you one? How about YOU step you and be one since you seem to know what standards you would want of them and all that?

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@kobo if a parent takes sides in their children squabbles its wrong it doesn't matter if we all do it but it is wrong bicos d child who is wrong wil find it dificult to take correction also Paul didn't hold a political view strong enough to hav made him record in the bible pls don't bring that in pastors should realise their position in the society. Has it never occured to u that we really don't have elder statesmen in this country nd dat maybe at the root of our problems in this country

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Parents are not neutral. Kids know their parents are just like them in all ways . . . . Even with urges.

I don’t think you are being fair in your assessment here since you are holding them to levels even the bible does not. Even Paul had some political ideas of his own to share in the same book.

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@kobo its not abt rules or verses in the bible it is abt decorum nd understandin ur role in a society they are shepherds to us the flock as spiritual leaders so it would not make sense for a shepherd to join a group of its flock against another group of its flock. Pastors are also like parents in a home they are supposed to be neutral so that they can mediate sometimes this mayb dificult but it stil wil not take away d fact that a good parent should remain neutral

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Yes, why not? MLK was a Reverend gentleman. It is on record that his protests were not-violent and they achieved the desired results. I had wanted to quote Edmund Burke too to prove that point but someone had beaten me to it.

Christians are supposed to be agents of change and pastors are leaders, yes God ordained leaders. It is indeed glorious and delightful when they lead the path to restoration.

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Where do you get these RULES FOR PASTORS AND SISTERS? Show me the particular verse in the Bible that says Pastors SHOULD rise above politics? See me see wahala ooo!!! Where are these rules written?

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All of u hav spoken well but dat does not mak the pastors action right cos they are supposed to act as the Red Cross in a war situation they are supposed to rise above the level of politics and above all are supposed to be spiritual leaders and interceed even for the man that is not around or was it our protest that removed Abacha? Let's face it God has a purpose for this nation or would it be alright for a pastor to make love to a sister to help her conceive after prayin for her in the name of faith without work. Pastor Niemoller didn't need anyone to talk for him all he had to do was call God for his deliverance so that quote is not necessary

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This singular act has made Tunde bakare my favourite Nigerian Pastor unlike other GOats who have special seats for Looters in their church. Go to Redemption Camp and all the aLOOTer governors have special seats.

OBJ who was the Thief in Chief preaches on the Pulpit, Ask me about Cecilia Ibru and Erastus lead the 40-40 Millionaires club.

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Again, please revisit the Bible to understand that a pastor is SIMPLY a human being like you and I, only he has the gift of teaching BUT he/she is no god, and can walk away from that anytime. A Pastor bleeds blood when you cut him; a pastor has opinions and a mind apart from God’s just like you and I. A Pastor can commit SIN, yes; they can commit even the worst of SINS. A Pastor can have an opinion, even a political one. A pastor VOTES with every other citizen during elections, and yes, a pastor like everyone else can carry placards. So, I see no reason why we should have this question in the first place.

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Am I 2react 2ur outburst?sori 2burst ur waterproof.I'm jst 2polishd 2do dat.

Try next door.

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Am I 2react 2ur outburst?sori 2burst ur waterproof.I'm jst 2polishd 2do dat.

Try next door.

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The fellow i was replying to had been insisting that men of God must not carry placards since Jesus did not do so. In other words, insinuating that men of God should restrict themselves to what Jesus did. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy in his words.

Not my fault if you lack the brainpower to understand what i was driving at.

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It is true that Jesus didn't carry Placard, But he certainly go against the law of the land anytime the law of the land/ law of men contradict the law of God.

So I don't see what is wrong in carry placard. in as much as is a peaceful demostration.

Ride on Pastor Tunde Bakare

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I think he did what is right, a man of God that cares for his nation.

Kudos to him.

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If the good Pastor feels so strong about the cause, then I dont see why not. Please let us not digress from the main issue, which remains that Nigeria is a very sick nation and needs all our help, no matter what.

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NLanderz u guys r jst awesome!

What has thithes got 2do wt Tunde &Placards?

Why r u digressing

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How many times did Jesus demand his followers to pay tithes to him and to 'sow seed'?

That hasn't stopped Nigerian pastors from gladly carrying out this practice, hasn't it?

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Its terribly sad and fearful when I read how twisted some peoples comments here as concernning Tunde Bakare's involvement in this protest.

Nigerian clergy and their followers are the major problem affecting the emancipation of the country at large.When ur Pastors brainwash to the point that you can not question ur pastor in the light of their failed and wrong doing that simply is the hight of religion.

Its only an uninformed Christian would be expecting me to quote the bible or history of christian leaders involvement in bringing sanity to their variuos country.Even if it means the death of such christian leaders that in itself would ultimately bring the deliverance and salvation the people yearns for.

John the Baptist was beheaded because of his opposition against the King,,,also Martin Luther King,,,,Martin Luther Kings death is now celebrated in the USA,,,,on Monday January 18th is now a Public holiday in the USA in honour of Reverend Martin Luther King,,,

I have always said ,,,,and I will continue to say,,,,Pastor Tunde Bakare is probably about the only Pastor I respect in Nigeria!!!!

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why not if not? he must practice what he preaches. some of us in the church when we hear pastor preach about the nation or express his conviction and belief about our motherland, we conclude their is still hope. he is a man of God that i will be forever grateful to God for. He has opened nmy eyes to several things that were left for the "unbelievers" Today, am happy that the struggle to reclaim our lost glory is on course and my dear pastor is not just talking but acting simultaneously. carry on pastor Tunde. we will surely get there. nigeria will flourish again

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What we should be doing is to support Bakare for convening this SAVE NIGERIA GROUP. We should also work with them to ensure that it doesn't end with protests or making Jonathan President but also ensuring that we have a free and fair election come 2010/2011.

I am tired of hearing people say ''if God did not wan Yaradua he won't be president''. That is the kind of mentality that is killing us slowly, when we begin to ascribe our weaknesses and wickedness to God. In the Bible, when the people rejected Samuel and asked for a king, God, even though it wasn't what He wanted for the people, He still gave them what they wanted. That is because as God's people, He has promised us that when we asked, we shall receive.

Nigerians have constantly asked for wicked leaders and that's why we keep getting them. Gani after losing out in the 2003 elections said, ''the people deserve the government they get''. And thats the truth. We ask for wicked leaders by sitting down and doing nothing. We ask for wicked leaders when we fold our hands and allow mediocres rig elections. We ask for wicked leaders when we are afraid to speak out the truth at the pulpit. We ask for wicked leaders when at the time we should be screaming ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, we sit on our behinds and condemn those who are in the fore front of change.

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EVIL TRIUMPHS WHEN MEN OF GOODWILL KEEP QUIET IN TIMES OF CRISES,EDMUND BURKE,ONCE OBSERVED.

THE PARTICIPATION OF CLERGYMEN  IN PROTESTS AND DEMONSTRATION IS NOT NOVEL IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD WHERE THE STRUGGLE FOR EMACIPATION REACHED ITS CRESCENDO.FEW EXAMPLES WILL SUFFICE HERE:MARTIN LUTHER KING ,JESSE JACKSON IN AMERICA,JANAN LUWUM IN UGANDA DURING IDI-AMIN'S DESPOTIC REGIME,JAIME SIN IN THE PHILIPINES,DESMOND TUTU OF SOUTH AFICA,SO MUCH SO HE WON THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR PEACE IN 1984 WHEN APARTHEID WAS THE ORDER OF THE DAY.

On a final note,I think Bakare should be commended for his efforts because he can choose to stay in his[b] COMFORT ZONE.[/b]

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NLanderz u guys r jst awesome!

What has thithes got 2do wt Tunde &Placards?

Why r u digressing

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It is a lot more disturbing that other pastors have not joined in the struggle for freedom!

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I leave you marvis with this quote:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out.

--- Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

Maybe Christians should keep quiet and let the injustice continue. The day they (the thieving politicians) come for us, there will be noone to speak out.

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I am not a xtian, but the action of Tunde Bakare has endeared me to the xtian faith. If there are many of his likes in xtianity and islam,our country will be a lot better for it.

Our so called men of God will prefer to wine and dine with the politicians as long as they stand to benefit from waivers and contracts from government. We know how many pastors were rushing to Aso Rock then to pray for OBJ, if yaradua were a xtian, you would have seen them praying and fasting for his speedy recovery. The other joker pastor that wanted to contest the Presidency, the other time, where does he stand on this or he is no longer in Nigeria?

Pastor Tunde Bakare, I salute your courage to stand up against corruption and tyranny, may the Lord continue to strengthen you.

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What is true Christianity without living it - Tunde Bakare Heaven backs you - Evil prevails when the righteous remain quiet . All this two faced Nigerians sef. One minute you are labelled docile, cowards and praying to much . Now you stand for your right they still complain.

I maintain " The movement of change does not require many but a few who are dedicated , united against bad goverance. "

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Its high time we all get tired of sending our prayers to the clouds; lets make a positive impact in our own little corner by doing the right thing.

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@poster,

i would want remind us of the other pastors who dine and wine with aso rock occupants in the name of praying for them and the country.

most of our pastors have their daily bread provided by these same politicians who have left the major part of this population in abject hunger and poverty and from this, we will accept the fact that we have two categories of pastors here so the question can be changed to; which of the camps is better for bakare and the ppl of nigeria.

on issues like this, one has to consider whose interest the pastor is protecting.

the pastor is not insisting on removing the pastor rather he is insisting on the use of the constitution.

we must not forget that bakare is a lawyer by profession.

if he is not a pastor, i think he would have been a human right activist.

he is speaking the minds of majority of nigerians and he has been the voice of the voiceless masses even from the days of the military.

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Taht is exactly what Bakare is doing, Speaking out the truth, standing for the truth, fighting for the truth and dying for the truth. What is the truth in the present Nigerian situation today? That a man whom we all Know is incapacitated to lead the country refused to hand over power to the able bodied men. He left country to take care of his health, but failed to do the proper thing stated by the constitution for such departure. Thereby creating a power Vaccum, leaving country without a leader for almost 60days now. So i dont see anythin wrong in a man of God going on the street speaking out the truth and demanding the right thing to be done. If you think otherwise then u are nothing but a hypocrites christ talked abt.

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na only 'who wants to be a millionaire' sermon they preach.

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all these prayer,prayer talk all over the place is nauseating.

have you not heard that faith without works is dead?

there comes a time that even to pray is a sin.

there comes a time when a man must get up from his bended knees and stand.

stand for truth.

stand against tyranny.

stand against docility.

stand against rascality and deceit.

the time is now.

the time for only prayer has past.

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