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Should We Call Our Colonial Masters Back?

Sometimes i wonder which is better, being ruled by our colonial masters but we have good roads, education, electricity, water and so on but they will pack all our money and resources to their countries or being ruled by ourselves with no road, education, water, electricity, food and all the rest and our leaders still carry our money to our colonial masters countries.

Since both options involves stealling our money and taking it out of the country at the end, i am begining to think calling the colonial masters back won't be a bad idea, what do you think?

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@nex i totally agree - most foreign governments are controlled by a military industrial complex whose sole objective is to make HUGE profits - in 2005 UK's arms sales to nigeria were valued at £53m - i beleive that figure has increased since then

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/jun/12/uk.hearafrica05

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Some people don't know how the French who were supporting "la revolution de liberte" of the Biafrans were also selling weapons to the Nigerian Government.

People can't explain why the USA is crying out about the killing of Darfuris, yet they are the number one deliverer of weapons to the Sudanese Government, followed by the French, fellowed by the Chinese whom the USA accuse the most.

Anybody that wants to become re-enslaved by the Oyibo people is free. They should just not involve the rest of us. Rumour has it that the life of an average Nigerian is now valued at about N10,000,000 or $65,000. Go ahead.

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kobojunkie

you are wrong to compare Australia and Canada to Nigeria as former colonies that are doing well in contrast to Nigeria because britain's relationship with these countries was and remains completely different from its relationship with Nigeria.

first of all Australia and Canada were founded as settler colonies for whites. In the case of Australia this was where ex convicts who were no longer wanted nor needed in britain were sent. the british massacred or removed most of the indigenous aboriginal population to reservation areas and resettled the dregs of their own society in these countries however these people were still regarded as equal to their british colonial masters and were allowed to run and manage their own affairs very early on in their development by way of what was known as home rule. This is in marked contrast to what happened with Nigeria, the colonialists intentions were purely exploitative - they were not interested in developing the country only pillaging and plundering whatever it had to offer, also the british regarded we the "nigerian" people as heathens and savages and they beleived that they had to "civilize" us by bringing christianity and western education. They treated us as if we were children and self rule was to be granted only if they were allowed to chose and control all subsequent leaders.

The economies of Australia and Canada have flourished due to the fact that Britain's relationship with them is not an exploitative one, both countries enjoy fair and equitable trading and immigration agreements with britain because they(Australians and canadians) are seen as their own people who share a common ancestry - this is definitely NOT the case in terms of the relationship that britain has with nigeria.

your statement about aid is totally wrong - the aid that countries like the US provides us with is a scam - they offer LOANS with what they call conditionalities attached - these conditionalities when complied with cause extreme poverty to ordinary people in the recipient countries and hamper economic growth.

other scams that they engage in which they call aid involve the building of what is known as white elephant projects (expensive unecessary constructions works) at inflated prices with money that they LOAN us - again these are all scams these contracts are usually awarded to their own contractors and therefore the money goes back into their own pockets and these useless projects only benefit the collaborators (FGN) who get kick backs and the donor/contractor (the US).

you refer to private donations made to Nigeria from white men to the tune of $2trillion -i find that highly unlikely, no white man gives you that kind of money without expecting to get his pound of flesh

Amaka is right in stating that the british armed nigeria during the biafran war, as a matter of fact most western countries deliberately arm both sides of a conflict in order to maximise their profits America did this in the first and second world wars as well as Vietnam - this should give you an idea as to the type of people you are holding in high esteem.

Kobojunkie one mistake you make is that you tar every nigerian with the same brush by assuming that we are all corrupt by the statement: " If not the British, then whom? Nigerians? The same ones that have reduced the nation to a laughing stock in less than a century?" - that statement shows a lack of understanding and a beleif that we as a nation are completely inept - the northern elite are not the nigerian people - i beleive that there are honest people in Nigeria who are capable of leading this country.

finally i totally agree with Amaka on the biafran war issue - the british colluded with their northern lap dogs to decimate the igbos - FACT, Kobojunkie can you please explain to me how igbos brought the genocide of their own people on themselves? can you explain why 30,000 igbos (including men, women and children) were slaughtered by screaming lynch mobs in the north for the simple reason that they were prosperous and ambitious, can you explain to me why igbo males over the age of 10 were lined up against the wall in asaba and shot in the head by nigerian soldiers, can you explain why pregnant igbo women had their stomachs cut open by nigerian soldiers? i dont think you know what you are talking about.

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Nevermind that 90% of Africa have been and are currently living as slaves in their own Fatherland, all courtesy or the black man !!!

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Abeg, anybody wey wan go back to slavery, it has now been privatized. You can sell yourself to any Oyibo of your choice at a price of $65,000. Thank God for democracy and freewill.

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@Amaka, I am just saying that at some point in this cycle, we need to stop and admit that no one else has failed us. We have failed our ownselves and no one is going to come rescuse us, but then assure us the same freedom we have had to loot and pillage in our own.

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Hahahaha, i woke up just now ,

and the winner is kobojunkie,

hahahaha,

Pathetic

GOD BLESS ME. GOD BLESS NIGERIA

HAHAHA, Amaka, i like your ps; (i will marry a nigerian man, ). MARRY ME, hahahaha, Adios

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Stop with the pretence already. Before the white man came, where do you think villages got their weapons when they wanted to go out to attack far away enemies or even their next door neighbour? Ofcourse from other villages. Is this NEW? Ofcourse not.

You don't want to ever see it again, maybe you ought to do your homework then, and learn what truly happened so you can better p-revent it from happening again, rather than sitting here blaming everyone else for mistakes made by all sides, including the so called biafrans, that brought about the murdering of so many lives.

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either way it goes!! . . .

i dont want to see this again.

i dont even mind the tales of the war but why would someone supply weapons to a nation that is on the brinks of a civil war? its just not right.

they are obviously going to be used to kill.

i just dont want to EVER see this happen again, never.

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Amaka, you know how they say there are always many sides to a story? Well, there are many sides to this Biafran tale, so do not presume you have the facts right just from hearing from what has been told you from the one side.

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then please explain to me what its like because i really want to know.

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@AMAKA

its not like that; there is always something behind somethings

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and the reason why i came across as angry at the british because i will never get over the biafra war.

yeah people will say "she was born and raised in the US, neither was she alive in the 60's. what does she know?"

but i will never get over how CRUEL they were to us when they supplied the north with weapons to basically KILL OFF all the igbos or the southern nigerians.

they knew that if we became our own nation, they wouldnt have so much control over the oil.

they basically sent in arms to kill off all the southern nigerians.

that was a divide and conquer situation.

and im still upset about that. even though i wasnt alive, nor do i know anyone who fought in the biafra war, it still hurts on why they would do something so inhumane, all because of OIL!!

the northerners are just as heartless for what they did too.

i would never want this again.

but anyway . . . i  understand your point.

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My point is, those wanting Colonial Masters, those wanting a Biafra/Arewa/Yoruba/Boko Haram nation etc are essentially all doing the same thing. Only that we know for a fact that the British can actually handle the job, but we have no proof that any of the other groups will work out since they are going to, in the end be headed by Nigerians, yes the same who have run a whole country into the ground in less than 50 years . roflmao!!

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Like I said earlier, there are those who are bent on tearing your Nigeria apart as well. None of them has valid answers to offer now, but they are right when they state that things are so messed up. Just that they are convinced that bringing change to the group ruling is the way to go.

I never told you anything about me having TOO MUCH FAITH In the British. You may need to read my post again. I simply stated that for you trying to trash the British here is not helping your cause considering you are unable to prove that we have been able to do a better job than the BRITISH.

In fact you come off as someone who harbors some bitterness against the British, and it does not help make whatever point it is you are trying to make here. Mind you, you are not the only one. If you go to convince people of anything, you do not go there bad mouthing your opponent and feeling that sort of validates your point.

All you have done is claim the British are responsible for all your problems but there is not one proof to show that is the case. We know that Nigerians demanded freedom from the British, which they got back then too. Sure, they supplied guns and ammunitions to the Nigerian Government, what has the use to do with the British when it was your own government that used those guns against its own people? Your government signed deals with the British that they gained from. What has that to do with the British when it was your government that signed those deals, knowing full well that the other side was bound to gain from it as well?

You have an incompetent lot in government who continue try to sell you to the highest bidder and you think your enemy is the man who bids the highest for you?

As long as we continue to delude ourselves that THEY are always to blame for OUR own faults and issues, we are bound to remain on the path we have been on since independence and it seems in the end, our own neighbors might come to save us from our own selves.

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EXACTLY!! neither can nigeria do anything for us.

so are you so sure the british will do the same?

i understand its my opinion and your opinion but some people are just so WILLING to have the british back, for what?

either way it goes i think Nigeria is stuck.

it seems you have TOO MUCH FAITH in the british, and somehow you want to BELIEVE they can do something for us.

please, either way it goes, i feel nothing will be done.

and calling the colonial masters back? how does anyone know they want to rule us anyway?

if it isnt for the oil and their own selfish needs, WHAT ELSE?

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my whole point is!!

people shouldnt have so much faith in the british.

did the british even make promises?

people are too willing to accept them back.

and yes you said PRIVATE donations from the white man.

and there is still a difference between making deals with the british and asking them to rule.

after all, are they not the ones who instigated the biafra war? arent they the ones supplying northern nigeria with all its weapons to then KILL many southern nigerians.

abeg, stop all this.

me being clothed from head to toe and living in the US does not have anything to do with whether or not the BRITISH should CONTROL Nigeria.

wtf? many people in nigeria are being clothed by the white man, and what does that mean?

NOTHING.

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Before Obama became a Senator i have been talking about change cos i see that's what nigeria leadership lacks, you guys have made me contribute today.i hardly contribute, i just sit and read and laugh out my Bottom, Good Night all, I need to DREAM OF A CHANGED NIGERIA, hahaha.

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i beleive everyone knows that the british will not even accept to come back cos we have moved from that era, some people are talking about racial discrimination, what about tribal discrimination, sometimes i think we should look at the individual instead of the colour or tribe, if we say the white discriminate against us racially then what about the one we do with ourselves, ghana was willing to change, singapore was willing to change, malaysia was willing to change, why have nigerian leaders refused to change and not willing to change, ALL WE NEED IS CHANGE MY PPL, LET THE CHANGE BEGIN IN YOU AND I, GOD BLESS.

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@cap28

few Nigerians are still as intelligent as you. Go through the threads and see what your people are saying about themselves.

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@Amaka, i think you should come back to nigeria, you cant leave your Bottom in the states and expect to understand femmmy and kobojunkie, they are talking from experience, i am one of the few that will never leave this country to stay somewhere else cos i see alot of potential in terms of my capacity but if the silly leaders could just help a little like give the crumb of the bread like femmmy suggested then thing will be much better. nigerians are asking for little but they are not even getting anything, i have being to over 20  countries around the world and i know what is obtainable, i think you should come back and live with the noise of this generators all over and let's see if you wont run back in 2 weeks, i have a neighbour whose parent just threw down to nigeria from the usa, he cries everyday cos nothing seem to work, 3/4 of my friends already run out of the country, i took 2 for a conference in malaysia 2 years ago and they vanished into thin air, imagine someone that own a house in nigeria telling me he prefers to stay in malaysia with little or nothing to do than coming back to this lost country, i could only track him down 1 year after and he was vomitting all this trash, we got independent before malaysia, same time with singapore, why have they changed and why did nigeria refuse to change, come back home amaka and feel the rythme of femmy and kobojunkie, thanks,

All the same GOD BLESS NIGERIA

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i dont think there's any need for us to bring back the colonialists as they never left in the first place!! all that happened was a changing of the guard whereby the british passed the keys to the kingdom across to their Nigerian stooges for safe keeping - the northern elite.

the reason we continue to suffer as a race of people is because we are incapable of critical thinking - years of brainwashing by way of western education and christianity ensured the complete destruction of our ability to think and act in our own best interest. We talk about how we are educated - but my question is educated to do what? to follow and agree with everything the white master tells us?.

Just to show you how dire our situation is we have completely forgotten the damage that was done to our people by way of slavery and colonialism: the genocide and subsequent dehumanisation of our people which continues today particularly in north america and europe although now under a different name: institutionalised racism.

the white man really did a job on us because he knew that if he could control how we think he wouldnt have to work too hard in order to control the way we act, i look at the way we think and its all about being like him and he knows this. This is why he can use the northern elite against us because he knows as a people we lack self love and are totally in awe of him, he knows we find it difficult to think for ourselves and he knows that we cherish him more than we cherish and love each other, so what he does is pit us against each other.

look at how docile and malleable we are - why after centuries of brutalisation by him would we even think of asking this question

how can we look at nigeria today in its current state of decay and beleive that we are honestly an independent nation - its a fallacy to even think that we are. Everything that has happened to this country since independence has been orchestrated and teleguided by the west.

do you think that the northern oligarchy attained their position of power fair and square without any help from their british friends?

the western countries have only one objective and it is the complete subjugation of africa, its people and its natural resources therefore to ask for these same people (who never left by the way) to come back and save us is a bit like a nazi holocaust survivor asking a former nazi concentration camp guard for assistance on how to recover from post traumatic stress disorder!

The west has always and will always want what is best for them and not what is best for us and any relationship that they have with us will be based on fulfilling that interest and that interest alone therefore - people lets stop making fools of ourselves and wake up to the reality of the world we live in.

Nigeria does not exist in a vacuum - the west needs our natural resources - they are cunning - they will resort to all manner of underhand means in order to achieve their goals including using our own people against us - theyve been doing if for centuries how do you think they were able to conquer the world!

for some reason this simple truism doesnt seem to register with most nigerians and again and again i keep hearing the same arguments: " its still our fault because this northern elite should know better than to exploit their own people and " we have allowed them to get away with it and therefore we deserve what we get"

my answer to the first statement is - the northern elite do not see themselves as brothers and sisters of southerners - they allign themselves more to their muslim brothers and sisters in north africa and the arab world as is evidenced by the fact that nigeria is now a member nation of the OIC and the D8, their relationship with the south is purely an exploitative one (just like their puppet masters relationship with them).

my answer to the second statement is - we are completely divided along ethnic lines and until we can overcome our petty differences and unite, any attempts to face down the common enemy will be nothing more than a fantasy.

if you look at a country like Haiti, the first black republic - it has continually had to pay the price for emancipating itself from slavery - america imposed a 60 year trade embargo on them and they were ordered to pay reparations to their former slave masters (the french) which crippled their economy. this was their punishment for having the guts to stand up to white oppression, the country was then invaded and a puppet dictator was installed, recently in 2004 america invaded the country again under the pretext of peace keeping and removed a democratically elected president (Jean Bertrand Aristide) who won by an overwhelming landslide and had him deported to south africa!

when the people came out to demand the return of their democratically elected president they were massacred by UN "peace keeping" troops and US trained paramilitary death squads.

a puppet administration was then installed (quite similar to Nigeria's) and now the country has signed up to various IMF and world bank loans that are causing extreme hardship to its people (just like Nigeria), the Haitians being a courageous people are still protesting and still being massacred but no main stream western media is carrying the story because of the embarrassment that it will cause to their governments.

i refer to Haiti because it demonstrates that getting rid of an unpopular administration is not the end of the problem but the beginning as you then have the Puppet master to contend with.

in my opinion bringing back the slave (puppet) master will mark the beginning of the end for us - the way forward as a nation is to UNITE - against the common enemy - the northern oligarchy and the West - that is the only chance that we will have to defeat the current tyranny that we are under and the tyranny that is yet to come.

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Some Africans limit themselves inside a mental box due to a mindset developed by the western society. This mindset is often referred to as "the slave mentality."  Those that accept the mentality easily find satisfaction in providing service to/for those in power, and give trust and respect to the "slave masters" instinctively. As for their own African people, they view them as inferior, and often less deserving, in contrast to those who are served. Every aspiration and desire belonging to the slave was not manifested by his self, but was given to , instructed and/or imitated from his master. The slave mentality's strength and foundation lie in the replacement of five key elements: history, language, religion, and family name. With the absence of these elements, the people are forced to adopt a new perspective on who they are and where they stand in society. Now that we have access to our true history, we can begin to escape this mindset.  By understanding our accomplishments before European  domination, we can re root our motivations as well as intentions and find  an overstanding which will lead to solutions to our plights.

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@AMAKA,

I was just joking with that one of going to Abuja, i dont blv in Abuja handing over things to me, i blv in doing my own thing to be what i wanna be

and after that, i can now wanna look for ways to make my good being and environs to wanna extend to my immediate surroundings

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basically!!!! the nigerian government needs to fix where the people are living at their own home.

no one should have to run to abuja. why cant the people in the niger delta get what the people in abuja are getting?

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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there is a problem in your statement.

does everyone have the opportunity to go to abuja?

the people in the south need for their land to be BETTER!!!

why should they run somewhere else to recieve something they should be getting at home?

they need to fix their area and stop doing the people of the niger delta so shadily (is that even a word??)

anyway you get my point, i hope.

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Tell them where to go to in Abuja and i am sure many will do that.

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there is a problem in your statement.

does everyone have the opportunity to go to abuja?

the people in the south need for their land to be BETTER!!!

why should they run somewhere else to recieve something they should be getting at home?

they need to fix their area and stop doing the people of the niger delta so shadily (is that even a word??)

anyway you get my point, i hope.

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Those of you that are claiming that the North is using the wealth of the South, you too, stroll to Abuja and collect your rightful ration.

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Walk there and collect what they owe you now.

They owe u so much and yet millions of us are living in the nation, many Nigerians are sleeping at the doors of the colonial master every night and yet we said they have done us so much damages and bad.

We do all they do, and all our kids are dying to go and serve them at will in their own shore, could they have been that bad?

We sold ourself into slavery and all the nonsense of them owing us is enuf

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The questions asked are not about the WHITE man coming to rule but questions for those who do NOT already know that if the WHITE MAN/BLACK MAN/BLUE MAN/GREEN MAN gets to a place/ any place, be it Africa, Bangladesh, Panama, Ouagadougou, He will first and foremost look out for NUMERO UNO i.e SELF.

Just that when I hear people WHINING about how the WHITE MAN has yet to PAMPER him/her to his SPECIFICATION, I wonder if these same ever know that they would so exactly the same if they were in the same shoes considering it is human nature to look out for SELF at all times and it is up to the other party to do same.

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@Kobojunkie

you're here again to come and chastise us again ba?

We were not expecting the Brutish to come babysit us. We hardly even knew who they were or if really they existed when they came down on us with their guns and canons to fulfil their God bestowed "white man's burden". So don't get confused when some Africans complain that the "white man" offloaded this burden which no one begged him to bear after making a couple trillion Pounds Sterling off Africans.

In as much as I'm not among those calling for the Brutes to return with their barbaric slavery, I have to state here that THEY OWE US.

Little Italy that didn't do much in Libya is already paying billions of dollars in reparation for their wealth stolen during colonization.

Rather than Nigerians to call the UK and say, guy come here. Please, all the money you just expatriated from us during those more than 70 years, we want them back. With interest. All the 70 years you occupied the entire 900,000 square km of Nigerian land, pay us the rent. All the people you killed in your unprovoked jihad against the good people of Nigeria. You will be fined for each life just like it was done in the matter of the Lockerbie bombing. For all the labourers you forced into your plantation you will pay $10/hour for the labour multiplied by 70 years.

We have to send Ojo Madueke to Buckingham Palace to tell Elizabethe that our labour and strife built that edifice. We have to ask them that putting the issue of the trans-Atlantic slave trade aside, Brutania owes us $21 trillion. For all your brutality, please pay up or else you may soon understand what social militancy means.

So believe me my fellow Nigerians. The United Kingdom and their Crown owes us a lot and we're not begging. We're demanding payment for work done and wealth created. Failure to comply will be met with 10 million Al majiris, 10 million Italian connection girls and 10 million Niger Delta youths at their shores.

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look here! there is a difference between making deals with a country and calling a country back to rule over it.

you can make deals with the white man (not that we already havent with all the oil and things like that) but to call the white man to come and rule your country for something that isnt even guaranteed to take place, then thats when there is a problem.

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been riding and cant wait for us to change Nija

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whoever think we are all same has lied to u.

Everyone to him own.

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Every breath u take is ur time.Can't u see u are ur own?even when we all think we are all the same.

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Now all jokes apart, no wishing at all, i do what i can do from my end.

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U got just one life to live man,don't keep wishing.

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Yes, i am a leader, and since changes from our own little area and yard are not making no difference.

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another name that makes me sick

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@Fhemmy

you just made clear yourself that if you make an attempt as to go so close to the Oyibos, your own cousin could probably be the one to shoot you. This is when you have not even given them political power.

When I was still in Magodo GRA in Lagos, I used to drink beer for N200 at the same spot (7-11, Grandview Plaza) where people like Bola Tinubu came to relax once in a while. As you may be guessing right now, I was not shot dead.

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ALSO,

in lagos in particular its very hard to find work because the population is OUT OF THIS WORLD!!

also some people move to lagos in search of work, only making the city more crowded.

some people need to know that lagos is not the only place for work.

some people think if they are not in lagos, then there are no other opportunities anywhere else.

they need to know that lagos is not the last resort, because its said to be one of the hardest places to get a decent job in nigeria.

wouldnt you think because of the population?

some people need to go abuja, kano, and other places where jobs might be available.

this is kinda unrelated but then again it goes along with the problems in nigeria.

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The difference is that, you will still eat something rather than nothing with the fools called leaders that we currently have.

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YOU JUST ANSWERED YOUR OWN STATEMENT.

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? EXACTLY!!!

WHY SHOULD WE BE EATING CRUMBS IF THEY DONT EVEN GIVE A poo ABOUT US.

THEY DONT HAVE NIGERIA'S BEST INTEREST AT HEART.

ONLY TO RULE OVER US AND TELL US WHAT TO DO.

USE US FOR CHEAP LABOUR SO THEY CAN THEN BENEFIT FROM IT.

IM TIRED OF THIS POINTLESS DEBATE.

ADIOS!!

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@Nex

Thanks for educating me, and i so much appreciate that, and i mean it.

however, here is where i differ.

That time has gone, if you think about it, we already have the colonial master back in nigeria, you just fail to recognize it.

Go to warri, VI, VGC and all you see are white people enjoying where you cant afford to go, at the gateman that will shoot you is a black man, can even be your cousin.

Most of the projects if any is being done in Nigeria is happening, it is the white man that are doing them, and tell me where you think the profit is going? tell me where you think the tax they paying is going as long as they can trace it?

DOnt let us fool ourselves, we are being rules by them and our slave master P{FG} just busy stealing money.

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@Fhemmy

you again?! You want to complain about Nigeria being ruled by us for almost 50 years now with nothing to show for it. How about the Brutish ruling Nigeria for more than 70 years. What do you have to show for it?

Now lemme teach you how revenue generated by the British in Nigeria was used.

The Brutes had companies who used Nigerian resources free of charge, then repatriated the profits to The UK where it was shared between the Crown and the Royal appointed company. Human labour was mostly used for free.

Now besides these monies being extradited to Europe, the locals were taxed too. Hut tax, cattle tax, land tax, livery tax, and other income tax.

70% of this tax was sent as pocket money to young Elizabeth whom at that time was just a child. Then the remaining 20% was given to traditional rulers to take care of themselves, build roads, schools and manage the state. Finally, the 10% left over is for maintaining the colonial officers, their families, their offices and residential quarters.

Now, when the time comes for rail or road construction, the traditional rulers will gather all the men in his domain and inform them that one day out of their week is now property of the Brutish Crown. You choose the day of the week that you will be a free slave to Elizabeth, or if you can afford it, bail yourself out in cash. The traditional rulers will then commandeer the temporary slaves to the site of work where the Europeans will supervise the work.

Apart from this direct slave system which I know you won't enjoy, there is the system of permanent employment slavery where if you are offered a job in the groundnut, cocoa or palm plantations and you know that the salary offered is less than what you earn from your own farm, they impose a tax on your farm and your hut that is more than everything you earn from your farm and threaten you with jail if you can't pay. So you have to work for them for the extra cash to pay your tax. Moonlighting between both farms.

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They are not doing it for you and i

they will be doing it, cos they resides there and they dont wanna live like a fool and get used to ways of living like our leaders have made us to be accustomed to.

So many Nigerians when they get home from work and there is light, they are surprised and say "thank God", electricity is a right of the people.

If white man has a choice btw giving everyone light and dont ave to listen to the noise of a generator, they will do it, something that our leader dance to the noise of the noisy gens

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