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The Real Difference Between ICPC And EFCC?

Difference between the two organizations(according to the book)

To me personally, I think both organizations are very similar in a lot of ways; and there is absolutely no reason to establish the second one when the operation of the first one could have be modified.

There is definitely shady reason behind the implementation of the second entity.

Think about it.

This is the real difference between the two:

ICPC is an organization that understands democracy and embraces respect for the law. This organization focuses on a group concept and can not be easily manipulated by the president. In-fact 85% of their members are older, well educated, and experienced Nigerian citizens. The credibility of each of these members is untouchable.

Believe it or not, the president is well aware that this group of people will not tolerate being used as the war gear or political fighting tool.

And I think this is the main reason why the second organization was quickly established.

EFCC on the other hand is an organization that operates under the umbrella (concept) of a single entity. It is also known that the organization is directly being controlled and monitored by the president. The members are pretty younger and full of energy, but can also be easily subjugated.

As bright as the intention or the vision of this organization appears to be, it is not uncommon for one to doubt their credibility and operational style.

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Well, ICPC stands for Independent Corrupt Practices Commission and EFCC stands for Economic and Financial Crimes Commission. Both of these organizations were established by the Nigerian government. The goal of their founding was to stop corruption and establish high moral ethics in business. It seems like these two are pretty much alike, however, EFCC works as a single entity and can be easily manipulated by the president. On the other hand, ICPC is a group of conscious and eager people, who are not willing to be ruled or manipulated in that fashion. It often times happens in the countries with the high corruption level, that there should be several of such commissions to monitor the situation and even each other to stop such detestable practices.

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ICPC was established by the ICPC Act of 2000. Read the Act here: http://www.icpc.gov.ng/act.php. You can also access the commission's web page from the same URL.

I think OBJ's intention in setting up the ICPC and EFCC was suspect. He wasn't really interested in reigning in on sleaze and corrupt malpractices which explains why the two agencies, especially ICPC, have performed woefully in the discharge of their statutory obligations. He more or less used the institutions, especially EFCC as instruments of vengeance and selective prosecution of his perceived enemies within his political family (to keep them in check when they question his authority) to the total exclusion of corrupt people in other parties. My submission is subject to debate but that is how I feel about OBJ and his so called battle about corruption.

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There is no difference

It is just duplication of office

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My man, you're mixing things up.

Identifying the different between the two organizations absolutely has nothing to do with whether EFCC should stay or not.

Make no mistake about it, EFCC is a great organization, a gift from God to Nigeria as a nation; but is this how to operate a credible organization?

With all these questionable allegations dropping left and right regarding the close relationship between EFCC and inaccuracy, can will truly and clearly count on this organization?

Abeg, pay attention my man; Nobody wants EFCC to go away, all we want is some modification and restructuring.

Any clear headed Nigerian should understand without any hesitation why this recommendation is very important to all of us and absolutely necessary to move our country forward effectively and efficiently.

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O boy, you get garage so?

The other time you stated that EFCC should stay now you are telling us why only ICPC should be the one around.

Where you tanda for this issue abeg?

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ICPC and EFCC; make your choice.

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ICPC to investigate N38bn Abacha missing loot

http://odili.net/news/source/2007/mar/13/302.html

Guys, pay attention to this investigation and you will make your own judgment regarding the different between ICPC and EFCC.

And why it makes no sence to implement the second organization (EFCC) when the first organization (ICPC) could have been modified and equipped with authority/ funds

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@BigB1,

Now you are giving excuses for the docile nature of ICPC, in reality who cares?

Nigerians are used to the idea of tolerating nonsense only to explain away their inactivity or inefficiency.

If ICPC is not well funded what are the members doing? Collecting the small money for their allowances abi?

The same way I have not bothered to know anyone working in EFCC is the same way I have not bothered to know anyone working in ICPC.

Apart from the people heading the 2 organisations which is even public knowledge I do not believe trying to know the members is an excercise worth doing.

What concerns me or indeed every well meaning Nigerian is what the body is doing or what it has done. We do not need the excuses.

If the conditions of work are not favourable to them they should quit.

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First, AFAM, I haven't heard from you lately, how you dey?

Hope all is well.

Now let's get back to business:

Afam, don't you think it is unfair and ridiculous to continue to debase this organization without even knowing a single member?

I'm disappointed; I expect more than that from you.

You can never never capitalize on what this administration and the public (Mckren) are feeding you; it is very important to do your own reseach, evaluate all the available premise and then conclude.

It is extremely difficult for me to discover that you do not know a single ICPC member, but you're so quick and comfortable to want to disable or demean the organization.

Absolutely, displeasing to any standard.

Please, take some time out, get to know these people and their high credibility standard.

Don't be brainwashed, ICPC is much more competent than EFCC; and it will all come out soon.

FYI: ICPC hasn't yet displayed their potential to Nigerians because they do not have access to the funding and authority organization like EFCC has enjoyed for the most years.

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@BigB1,

I do not know anyone in ICPC.

Comparing them the way I did was based on what they have been able to do since ICPC was created.

Prior to the coming of the EFCC it was as if nothing was done to fight corruption at all.

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@McKren:

I see you as a person who has no balls, it is clear that you can not withstand the pressure. You tend to dissolve quickly when someone comes head on during political debate.

To me, you've made yourself seem to be a person who has no material to finish up; especially during incredible discussion you've started or posted many times in the past.

This is also one of the reasons you tend to attack people instead of clearly presenting your premise.

Advise: you should always have materials to defend what you belief; absolutely no need to be scared or run away from heated discussion as you've done in the past.

Therefore I will not respond to your post; it's Monday, I truly do not want to run you out of this forum today.

Stay cool and enjoy yourself, you're not ready for me.

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We will appreciate if you kindly tell us what we are talking about.

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@AFAM:

Do you know anything about the ICPC members?

and if you do, could you please introduce 2 of the members to us?

Thanks.

[b]Speculating is a sin, it is very important for us to know what we are talking about; [/b]In this case, I'm not sure if some of us truly do.

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I don't think that Govt as things are now will survive the people's criticism if they try to do away with any of them. I don't think anybody will do that. The incoming Govt can only merge two of them and change their name, I think that's all.

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If they want the 2 to remain, fine but if they are thinking of doing away with one of them as they are basically setup to fight corruption then I will prefer they kept EFCC and not ICPC.

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Well that is your opinion. But I don't think it is a good idea for them to go. Why because a man works to his best if he is challenged. So they are there to see what EFCC hasn't seen and provide wisdom to support EFCC.

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Regardless of the shortcomings of the EFCC, a Nigeria with EFCC is far better than one without EFCC.

If they need to do away with one then ICPC should go since they have really not done anything serious since its creation yet they keep voting funds for the body.

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There is nothing created by human beings that will not have its shortcomings.  When Bakassi boys ware introduced by some part on Nigeria, they did a very good job and later on politicians infiltrated it and that came to its demise. Human made thing.

I think EFCC will not be infiltarted by politicians in any Government who adopted it becasue they politicians  use it to fight agains themselves. There never a time that all politicians will agree in one thing esp in multi-party system like NIgeria. So EFCC for me will continue and continue to do a good job. There is no pressure like politicians' so no matter who is EFCC leader must always be above average.

ICPC on the other are gaining momemtum, they will soon be used more like they are being used.

ICPC and EFCC are okay to stay such that we will know when politicians are trying to infiltrate it. How? If EFCC gives and report and ICPC counters it, then we will know that Politicians have come to war!

EFCC like I said will be a good tool later this year or next when Obj will leaves Office. Those people we are suffereing

from excruciating pain(Tafa,Audu Ogbe, Wagbara etc) as result of corruption which they learn from OBJ, do you think they will keep quiet if Obj leaves office?

Lets watch and see. 4 me anybody indited by Real  EFCC list should not be allowed to contest election. For the are the people who have retrogressed the country and some people collect money to campaign for them.

Atiku,Govt Nnamani,Haurna etc in a normal society should not have even a single supporter. They do because they steal your money and give you small only for your grand children to suffer it in future.

I will even like them to cease and arrest anybody who stand indited even me from then we will know  those that spoling Nigeria.

The mistake we make from not taking war against corruption massively will be a grave yard to our grand children let us say God forbide!.  Am not Ribadu brother nor likes but I adopt their services just like many Nigerians.

Finally, I think the no differece between the two. They are just there to complement each becasue corrutpion in Nigeria is migrating from Mega to Giga which are needed to be curbed down from Giga to kilo even to byte which only ICPC cannot do.

And while working with corrupt polticians one has to be very carefull,strong,determine,couragous and fast to guard against their bribe,lies,pressure and evil which EFCC is best fit for.

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Part of PTDF Report

Like have stated in the past:

Organization like EFCC must embrace perfection at all levels, they can not afford to make silly mistake.

They must totally drive away from politics.

They can not be selective during their operation.

They must always embrace professionalism by doing their job to the best of their abilities and not rushing to conclusion.

They must operate under a group concept, not a one man show.

They must do what ever it takes to maintain high standard credibility.

As much as one wants to admire this organization, their credibility continues to be very cloudy and one should think twice.

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PTDF Report

This information is part of the PTDF report that was released few days ago; pretty soon ICPC will regain the respect they deserve from Nigerian citizens.

Just wait and see.

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,,,,,,,,,,,,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;i agree wit you bigb1

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It is amazing to me that some folks still believe that EFCC vision is sincere.

It is obvious that EFCC is determined to fight this war for Mr. president to the end. It is also crystal clear that this war is the biggest fight for OBJ and he can not afford not to win.

His failure to win could also mean a major downfall for EFCC, who is already lacking credibility.

Hence this is a must win situation for the president and his political fighting tool.

In my eyes, I still see ICPC as an incredible, matured and extremely responsible organization that never had the opportunity or full authority to display it's potential to Nigerian people (because of political reason).

And believe me, it was designed this way by this current administration.

FYI: 90% of the ICPC members are top notch in their class, believe me, it is absolutely impossible to manipulate this group of people in any way.

And you can never never compare ICPC to EFCC; for the knowledgable Nigerians, the different is purely clear. The actions of the ICPC are open and aboveboard.

Please, do a diligent and systematic inquiry to discover this orgaization and the members.

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r u usure obj created EFCC to tackle corruption , or was it part of a more sinister long term strayegy, to effectively disABLE any political opponenets in 2007? Methinks Ribadu is the Al Mustapha for our 'democratic' dispensation. have any of obj's cronies been indicted by EFCC? the main diff btw mustapha and Ribadu is that ribadu does not have to manufacture evidence against anyone who falls out of obj's favor since they are all corrupt anyway. if andy uba falls into the bad books tomorrow, we will see him indicted ASAP, with a comprehensive list of all his crimes.

i see the initial pursuits of EFCC as part of a scheme to gain public (and international )credibility, so that when they get down to the real business at hand-(which we're seeing now) observers will just assume they r doing an unbiased job.

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Thanks, Mariory. You hit the nail on the head.

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I can see your point MR BIGB1 who created ICPC ? we know MR president created EFCC to tackle corruption. was ICPC created but the president as well? I am sure there is justifiable reason why we have this separate entities or the so called useless senate would have abolished one of this entity.

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May be EFCC should continue to investigate VP while ICPC should be given the full authority to thoroughly investigate Mr. President.

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Exactly, may be we should ask ICPC and EFCC to investigate one another.

I'm 100% sure that there are shady reasons why EFCC was created while ICPC remains active.

It makes no sense.

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I've had the same question since the inception of EFCC, but I think they've definitely proved their worth while ICPC has faltered. Mariory is so right--constantly accusing EFCC of being Obasanjo's hounddogs ignores all the work they do with more pedestrian criminals. They have been putting away everyone from low-level financial scam artists to the Tafa Baloguns, and employing young Nigerians to do it. The organization is definitely one of the greatest benefits of OBJ's tenure. Mariory's right--ICPC should be the ones defending their low visibility/inactivity of the last few years. When you read stories like this one, it makes you wonder how and why the organization is still around.

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Once again, my friend

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You know that theory of yours might be somewhere near true if the EFCC where created to persecute corrupt politicains. That's where I have a problem with people that have the same opinion as you about the EFCC. You make it seem like the EFCC's job is about politics and politicians.

It just so happens, the EFCC was created to fight corruption. How many politicians has the EFCC moved against until recently? It's funny because when the EFCC was roundhouse kicking yahoo boys, fraudulent bank chiefs, western union fraudsters etc people were making noise asking them to go after big fish (Politicians).

Of course they knew, as per their experience with Alarms and Dariye, that once they go after politicians, it is because of ethnicity. Oh wait, my bad, it used to be about ethnicity, then it was about third term. I don't know what excuse they are using now. Perhaps 'vindictiveness' is the new excuse.

Anyways here's a suggestion. If you don't believe in the EFCC, why don't you clamor for the ICPC to be more pro-active. They sit there doing almost nothing leaving the EFCC to do the work and take the criticism. Maybe you should be criticising the ICPC for not doing what they were created to do. Let's see this "professional" outfit go after politicians (if they have the balls) and not have the same criticism and political play that the EFCC is facing.

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This topic is not posted to bash EFCC; it is posted to profoundly think about the implementation of the EFCC by the presidency.

The real shady reasons behind the implementation of this organization.

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EFCC is God sent, we shall remain grateful for this creation, at least today one can say there is hope in Nigeria and the corrupt Nigerians understand this too well.

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If that's the case, modification and empowerment would have been the proper solution; not creating another organization and wasting money we do not have.

I believe, the presidency couldn't take this action, because modifying this organization (ICPC) would have been worthless or disadvantageous for the accomplishment of Mr. President's personal agenda.

Hence the best action is to leave the ICPC activate and create a new submissive organization (EFCC).

The main purpose of this strategy is to keep folks quiet by leaving ICPC active and implementing a real political tool (EFCC) for the president.

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The reason why the ICPC does not get the attention the EFCC get's is because The ICPC has been quite useless since it's creation. Only with the creation of the EFCC, did we start seeing corruption actively tackled and not just being talked about. And that's not even taking into account the EFCC's record with politicians.

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Absolutely no reason to have both organizations.

Reasons why ICPC did not get the same attention EFCC is getting:

1. It's not well funded

2. It did not have proper authority to Carry out it's operation.

3. President doesn't show any respect or interest (since it is not directly beneficial to the president)

4. They refused to operate the way the president has recommended

5. Most members are older, well educated, have incredible credibility and can not be easily manipulated by anyone.

ETC

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@BigB1,

Regardless of the shortcomings of the EFCC it is very clear that the it was both a necessary creation and a useful one.

I guess the EFCC was empowered to take actions whereas the ICPC were almost inactive.

Similar? Yes. Any need to have created the EFCC? Yes.

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It will be interesting to see what happen when we have a new president. which one will stay and which one will be decommission

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EFCC: 2002

ICPC: btw 1999 and 2000

FYI: I may be wrong.

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BIGB1 can you tell us when both organization was created? where do they get their allocations? who do they both report to directly or indirectly. the position of the president is powerful and I still think he can control either group if he so choose to. after all this is Nigeria and anyone can be bought. lol

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