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What if the civil war in Nigeria was a success?

The current state of affairs in Nigeria leaves nothing to be desired in the mindset of progressive Nigerians. Echoes of the civil war, long buried has resurfaced some years back with a website created for the failed 'country' of Biafra. At first, I was against the war, (Not that I was born then), but lately, I have thought about it, and realized that, perhaps, the country would have prospered, and the citizens would have benefitted immensely from the secession. Imagine, just four countries in a country with ample resources at its disposal and perhaps, less than 10 million people to rule over. What a nice change it would have been.

don't you think so?

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Look i'm biafran and to all my brothas in the south east and south-south, we need to work together and stop all this petty rivalry. We are one family. For biafra to be a success we need to collaborate and build in peace and solidarity. MEND and MASSOB need to merge, pool rescources together and gain strenght in numbers.

Not forgetting my yoruba brothas too. We also share a lot in common. Let us learn to respect ourselves and guard our collective self interest rather than being an unnecessary obstacle to each others progress. It's all about the brotherhood.

As for our arabianized brothers to the north, well i don't think you guys feel any love for brothers in the south. Your historical relationship with us have being replete with hate and enmity. How do we(especially south-east/south-south) deal with the issue of trust which is indispensable to nationhood? You arab wanna be's have your heart and soul set in mecca(it's history and culture). You have no strong bond to black africa.

Nonetheless, we the indegenes in this criminal private corporate entity called nigeria must take steps to dismantle this british construct and then devise new political entities from our own accord and consciousness or else kasala go burst ooo!

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According to Wole Soyinka although he was against the Biafra wanting to break away, he did agree that they were right in wanting to do so because they were indeed being treated unfairly. And I do share his views. But isnt part of the baeuty of Nigeria the fact that u can find a variety of cultures and traditions and the ultimate goal is to bring all this people together in one country. Why do we try to divide ourselves cos we feel we are better that these group or that group in terms of religion culture or whatever else. Accept the differences and work together with it.

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Nigeria needs to divide. What makes Nigeria a legitimate country? U.K? Nigerians tribes love their their own so much that they would do whatever it takes to benefit their own even if it means suffering the other.

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People have failed and they are trying to make failure the norm! Why can't we all just get along? I really love Nigeria for whatever it is. Many civilizations and nations have fallen due to division. Persia should be a lesson to mankind but it's not. People are claiming we did this, we did that. Why can't we do a new one? We are living in the past and so we sleep on the future.

We are rapidly getting Molested by westerners yet all we can do is bash each other?. Nigeria will not fail no matter what. Nigeria is made up of collection of almost all African tribes and yet we don't see that this is a civilization about to rise here? All we see is Biafra, Arewa, and Oduduwa? This is a civilization in the making cause it comprises of all African mother cultures. Can't you all see it? can't you all see that deep in our unity lies the fall of the oppressors and our division is the Pyramid of their victory? Why are we blinded by sentiments and bigotry? Why can't we just forgo the past?

Nigeria will make it. If Nigeria should fall, then I'll have no home. Cause I'm a nomad I go places but Nigeria is still where I feel free when I'm in. It's like the British used my freedom to create the boarders of Nigeria forming a perfect map. The best Map in the world just like that of Africa. She has a beautiful shape.

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LMAO @ Willy Willy, But you are actually right brotha.

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I though that you and me are both living in the 21st centrury and you are still using the idea of a war spoil and war booty? In a modern society another name for war spoil is war crime. War spoil ended in the day of Nebuchadenezzer and the Babylonians.

Taking another man product of his sweat because you won a political war is crime against humanity. Next you will be prescribing Molesting their wives and daughters as they will count as your war spoils too.

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lol.

Go and take care of your granchildren jare! Original inhabitant of PH!

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@Ibime

I am in the know that you are one twisted and miserable miscreant but I did not realize that you are also irredeemably delusional. The only thing you got correct on your usual wastages of Internet bandwidth is that my mother tongue is not English.

Do you not know that even grammar has a level, nama shobiri? I hope you are not insinuating that I should stoop to the level of crayfish grammar that is prevalent around the slump called Borokiri?

By the way, you should clap heartily for sorry empty scull for being able to gravitate towards the area of greater disorder. Look, nama tigogo, you are a borderline drooling slowpoke.

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@Ibime

I have come to conclusion, through your imbecilic posts, that you belong to the group of folks who would travel to its grave very uneducated. There is no amount of your dumb shenanigan on this forum that could draw your sorry Bottom into the class of enlightens. Ndigbo had nothing against the Okirika people as many of then had grandparents form Igboland. But I will advise a loudmouthed punk like you to get off your high horse before you break a bone.

Please stop flaunting your ignorance in the public because I know tha the Okirika indigenes could do better. Even if you are nama tigogo and nama shobiri combined, you could still be of good use in sweeping the toilets.

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Look at that quote closely, study it, I did not say that spontaneously it came with depth and thoughtfulness and it answers your question word for word. I will give it time to simmer in your mind and then I will come back later, maybe tomorrow or next day and interprete it for you. Pay attention to the bold.

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Ibime, why una not just follow the yoruba comot for nigeria, make we know how many of us , who remain. we no go miss una with una MEND and bomb .

Make una package una bag and follow them. So that we fit hear word.

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Ibime, why una not just follow the yoruba comot for nigeria, make we know how many of us , who remain. we no go miss una with una MEND and bomb .

Make una package una bag and follow them. So that we fit hear word.

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The ability to speak more than 6 languages is not a joke. Leave the English deficient part for your village girls you impress with such kindergarten talks.

I made that comment in Spanish to my delight and mine alone. Twerp!

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Most astonishing thing about riverine people is the claim of sand-fills,rivers,creeks and even the sea.lol.they even claim ownership of offshore oil riggs.

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Eziachi, I never asked about abandoned property. You must be confusing me with LucaBrasi. Every man has the right to claim property that he bought with his own sweat. We have no problem with Igbos or any other tribe purchasing land in PH. All these arguments are to establish ownership so that if and when Nigeria breaks up, Igbos do not come and claim what is not theirs.

I agree that 60% of PH is owned by the Ikwerre's. From Boro Park up to Choba is even more than 60% sef. Please tell your friend Dede1 who would claim Igwe Ocha (Borokiri) itself as Igboland. I guess he will not stop until Ndigbo has access to the sea. If possible, he will claim Opobo as Igboland sef.

Anyway, that is between you and the Ikwerres. But do not use them as proxies to claim our lands as a lot of Biafran extremists like Dede1 often do.

Dede1, you are surely demented. You must be suffering post traumatic stress from the civil war. All your genocidal rants against the indigenes of "Town" prove that you are a lunatic.

You started by claiming that you used to live in upland PortHarcourt when Borokiri was a swamp. Who are you fooling? Old Port Harcourt was Borokiri, from Old GRA down to Ipuculu. Aggrey Road is the epicenter of old PH, infact, the first place to be built up. I wonder where you were living. Maybe you lived in Choba while it was still virgin bush.

If you do not call Igwe Ocha "white man's parlour", what do you call it? Don't even try that 'clear sky' or 'blue heaven' nonsense. Only someone who sees the water from afar would describe it as "clear sky". Those who live there would never call it that sort of name. I believe this is a revisionist theory, since the name Igwe Ocha clearly exposes that Igbo's only started referring to the place after the white man settled it. Ikwerres themselves know they have no claim over Town/Borokiri. Eziachi, have you ever seen an Ikwerre compound in Borokiri? Which people live there? It's only Igbo imperialists who keep pushing this nefarious claim. Infact, if Igbo's or Ikwerre's truly inhabited Town, where is your culture of fishing? Did it suddenly disappear?

What you call Igwe Ocha was originally called Ogbogbo and later refered to as Olomu-Ogbogbo when it was turned to a trading center where the Ikwerres came down to buy fish in exchange for other goods. According to Ijaw traditions, communities are also described by the activities that operate in them which meant that Ogbogbo (Port Hacourt ) was also refered to as Borokiri describing trading activities just like it is in Warri.

Don't worry, all we have to do is ask the British to produce the receipt to the land. At that point, all your imperialistic folklore disappears.

Here I am adopting a diplomatic position that the Ikwerre's and even Ogoni's own PH and an extremist like you wants to claim the whole shebang and drive out the locals. I hope you know that there are also Okrika extremists like you, such as Dr Abam who claim that Okrika owns the whole of PH, even up to Elelenwo.

Finally, Eziachi, how can you live in PH and claim that Ogoni's are Ijaws. Are you sure you are from PH? What do names like Eleme, Khana, GoKhana, Leton, Ledum and Saro-Wiwa have to do with Ijaw? Please provide me a single link which shows that Ogoni's are Ijaws. The name Ogoni (Igoni) alone means "foreigner" in Ijaw language. Ogoni migrated up the atlantic coast just 150 years ago. Opobo people gave them virgin bush between Opobo and Okrika and they live there till this day.

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asha make you shout , see better map. do you believe in biafra? na yes or no answer.

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Typical Nigerian mentality! How do you define an indigine? someone born and bred or someone just because the parents ancestory? A yoruba man born and bred in Igboland are more indigineous than my children born and bred in England in my estimation.

I was 19 years old when the civil war broke out broke, then do the maths and tell me how old I am now, but I was born and bred in Borokiri and went to school near waterside and my secondary school at Stella Maris college. My both parents were born in Port Harcourt area now called Trans Amadi and my mum dad was born also in Port Harcourt. Whe you consider my age and add it to two generations before me and do the maths, my family has had a root in Igwe Ocha/Port Harcourt for more than 100 years. So how can you turn around and tell us that we can't talk about Port harcourt because you want to talk to an Ikwerre Igbo man? Very funny.

I blame Obasanjo and Irikife for this nonsense, they knew exactly what they are doing when they start re-drawing Rivers state in 1970s and called boundary adjustment. The only boundary adjustment recorded in the history of Nigeria.

And hilariously I read your comment before that Ogonis are not Ijaws. So what are they? Do you actually knew what you are talking about?

By the way IGWE OCHA doesn't mean Land of the white man ( you make me laugh) Igwe Ocha mean CLEAR SKY or CLEAN HEAVEN, White Heavens.

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I think we all from the former eastern region need to understand each others views on this issue of port harcourt without insulting each other.Everyone has a case here.

@Dede1 please take it easy with Ibime as u have to understand where he is coming from.I know that during Micheal okpara's regime a lot of upland igbo(i resist saying jusy igbo) settled came and settled in present day portharcourt because of the economic boom going on at that timeThe construction of Trans Amadi industrial layout being one of those projects that attracted them.

Their seemed to be some resentments on them by the ikwerres that they where buying up the lands they considered their own(even though it was not at gun point).However their are some speculations that the regional gov. at that time where mainly occupied by upland igbos and so it made it easier for the people to buy lands.

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I used upland igbos above and not just igbos because i believe that the ikwerres are igbos.Please do not use the fact that they have their own dailect to mean that tyhey are dinstint.Why?because their are many dailects of igbo.One thing i have noticed is that many 'outsiders'do not seem to know that in even in the same states in south east there are very different dialects of igbo.

In my state alone if an owerri man is speaking his dialect the the orlu man that is born and bred in orlu might not be understanding what the owerri man is saying.As for you ibime i can tell u that i understand the igbo been spoken by the ikwerre or asaba or even ibusa in delta state than the igbo spoken buy an afikpo man of ebonyi state.

All these issue of whether i am igbo or not is just what Gowon wanted at that time to weaken the resolve off the igbos by creating states.

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Let me address the issues you raised one by one.

1. I mentioned abandoned property,not because myself is from port harcourt but because you personally asked why we are going on about abandoned property after thirty years. And those properties are not only an issue for port harcourt but all over Nigeria but most prominent was in port harcourt and Lagos. I then said that it has to do with Justice and justice has no time limit. If your property is abandoned in Asaba according to your, who was it abandoned to? So go and fight for it. Of the five properties we lost in Port harcourt only one is still in dispute at Aggrey Road and it's occupied by an Ijaw family.

2. Although you had failed to identify your tribe but, I can tell you that in every language their is what you call dialect and ascent. The same laguage but spoke in many ways. I am sure my Yoruba friends here can identify with that too as one of them has told me before that Ekitti speaks Yoruba with a very strong twang, I am not sure how true that there many form of speaking Yoruba.

So if you can't understand an Ikwerre man Igbo ascent or dialect that does not mean they are not IGBOS. The worse form of Igbo ascent to understand even among the most die hard Igbo language scholars are Afikpo and Wawa (Nsukkka/Abakaliki, Enugu)

Anioma/Oshimili/Onitsha spoke differently too and it's called in Ijekebee.

But we had what we called central Igbo tongue, mainly adopted/spoke by the people Mbano, Okwelle, Ohambele etc.

I have lived and worked in England for 25 years and still find it difficult to understand a Geordie (Newcastle) man. Yorkshire had a very strong English ascent too, so does the people of Lancashire (Manchester, Blackburn, Bolton, Maccclesfield).

In London and the rest of Sout East they spoke with a twang called cockney english.

With your intelligent, I am surprise that you are some one to make this sort of argument about the Ikwerre based on the dialect.

3. Like I had said, no Igbo man that knows his stuff outside of political argument will claim the whole of Port Harcourt as Igboland but what I had told you is that at least 60% of what is called Port Harcourt as we speak belong to the Ikwerres and Ikwerre is one of the branches of Igbo nation just like the Orsu, Aniocha, Ebenese, Wawa, Adada, Oguta/Egbema, Owerre, Ijekebee, Aro etc. Why do you think Ikwerre royal households are reffered to as Obi or Eze?

4. And stop saying a white man discovered port harcourt, Enugu, Opobo or any other place for that matter, that is so 18th century mentality. Our people were there when they arrived, how can they haave discovered us? That is a white man talk.

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@Ibime

It is only in the mindset of demented slowpoke that Igwe-Ocha meant the (Land of the white man). Please could someone take the keyboards away from this dullard before he/she injures him/her self?

Since you have decided to open another defective side of your brain, I would like to lead your dumb carcass to the fact that I can understand Ikwerre dialect of Igbo language better than Nsukka dialect.

Talking about abandon property, has this punk called Ibime seriously posed a question to his/her sorry Bottom why abandon property policy was initiated in Port Harcourt alone?

The lazy fools who are now basking in the sun in Port Harcourt and reaping the fruits of hard labor of Ndigbo would surely pay in future.

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All these argument you guys are having about PH shows that all of us from former Eastern Region are Losers.

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You see, any time facts come into play, the Igbo will dismiss it. They prefer to rely on folklore.

The land of the white man is not yours! We sold it to them.

let me spell it out to you: IT IS A FACT THAT THE BRITISH PAID OKRIKA TO BUY IGWE OCHA!

I have known this since I was a child.

There are many links I can provide if you wish, but you will always refuse to believe.

Isn't it funny that me, a PH indigene is here arguing with boys from Asa, Aba, Owerri and Onitsha as to who owns PH? You guys should should go and bring an Ikwerre man, a true indigene of PH to come and argue jor.

We the Okrikas and the Ikwerres know our boundaries. We need no outside interference please. I have stated the boundaries of PH. Anything to the North and North West of Boro Park is Ikwerre land. Anything to the South of Boro Park is Okrika land. Anything to the South-East of Rainbow is Okrika land. Everything to the East of Aba road otherwise is Ikwerre land. Bundu waterside belongs originally to the Ogoni. And there are one or two Kalabari and Egbenni settlements.

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Dude stop quoting wikipedia!! Goshhhhhh! Anybody can edit articles there anytime anyday. IMO it's not a credible source for some sensitive issues like this.

It's a shame we go to wikipedia to get some information about our history everytime. Backyard stories from our neighbours make it to wikipèdia in less than 30 minutes and thus becomes part of our real history in the eyes of the people that doesn't know.

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Eziachi, the issue of abandoned property is different to the issue of indigenous rights. My family also abandoned property in Asaba during the war. That does not mean that I should claim Asaba as my hometown.

I have lived with the Ikwerres, both in Mile 1 and Elelenwo. Never has it crossed my mind that they would ever identify themselves as Igbo. You say they speak Igbo, but I am sure that if two Ikwerre men speak here, you will not be able to follow the drift of their conversation, except for picking out a few words here and there. Their language is to Igbo what Spanish is to Portuguese.

Now, let me ask you a question - when did we start calling these places Umuola, Umuomasi etc? I can tell you that is a recent Igbolisation of PH which happened under regional Eastern Government. That is why the names were changed after 1967. Most of that place was bush before, interspersed with Ikwerre settlements. It is not the Ikwerre themselves who named these places, but the Igbo regional Government. They did not stop to ask what the locals call these places, they just put Igbo names here and there.

You have not been following my posts on here, otherwise you would respond to this argument I set forth:

PH started in Borokiri and then expanded into Ikwerre lands. There is a reason you call it Igwe Ocha (Land of the white man) - simply, it is not your land. If you guys actually lived in Igwe Ocha, you would not name it after the white man. What you call Igwe Ocha is what we Okrikas call Borokiri. You only named it Igwe Ocha after we sold it to the white man and they populated it.

Then, I put this link from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Harcourt

Port Harcourt was founded in 1912 by the British in an area traditionally inhabited by the Ikwerre and the Ijaw. Igbo traders called it Igwe Ocha which in their native tongue means "land of the white man". The land which is actually the Okrika Ijaw fishing settlement called Borokiri was given to the British to settle for administrative purpose replacing Degema in the heart of Kalabari which had become too far and obscure. The Chief Yellow of Bakana ( Kalabari ) stood as a witness when the Amayanabo ( KING ) of Okrika handed over the land to the British. The initial purpose of the port was to export the coal which geologist Albert Ernest Kitson had discovered in Enugu. Port Harcourt today has expanded deeply into Ikwere settlements. It attracted many Igbo traders and laborers who settled there in its early years. Igbo manpower played a major role in the development of Port Harcourt and today many of Port Harcourt's residents are Igbo.

I put this from Wikipedia because my father told me the story when I was a child. My great grandfather, Chief John George who was the Kingmaker in Okrika at the time was involved in the transaction, and if you ask the Fiberesima family, they will show you which parts of PH had belonged to them. That is why I always laugh whenever Igbo's try to claim PH.

If you wish to claim the Ikwerre side of PH, that is between you and them. But we draw boundary from Isaac Boro Park, and anything to the east of Rainbow.

Now we can almost answer the posters question: What if the civil war was a success?

One of the answers is that the Igbo's would have stolen PH.

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When people like you talk, you just wonder if they know what the  issue is or just spewing out anything that their brain can come out with. So Africans that want reparation from the West are the winners in slave trade saga according to your brain full of wisdom? Or the Jews demanding reparation were Victors against the Nazis?

20 Pounds given to Igbos were not a social security handout from Nigerians to the Igbos, the 20 Pounds comes from whatever money they seized from a bank account of every Igbo man, they will give the person 20 pound and the kept the rest. My family had over £600,000 in the Barclays bank and were given £20 and Nigerian government kept the remaining. That is what the 20 pounds is all about and not a gift as you thought. Those without money at all started life with nothing at all.

@Ibime,

I don't think there is anything called forgotten stolen item.  If 30 years is enough for you to forget your hardwork and sweat, what kind of person are you? Why is the Jews still demanding the return of their vintage paintings and artefact 60 years after the Nazi war? Why are the Palestinian dieing demanding their stolen land from Israel? By the way, why is Nigeria still insisting that the British return their stolen artefact like the Bini Bronze (FESTAC HEAD)? even whey they were taken during the reign of queen Victoria? And how many years ago was that?

My family's property at Rex Lawson St Borokiri in Port Harcourt was still being occupied by an Ijaw family until we reached out of court agreement with them and got the property back with the help of Chief Melford Okilo ( Old Rivers State Governor 1979-1983), who was my father's school mate in the early 50s.  Issue of abandoned property will never die until every man and family get justice. There is no such thing as expired justice? Unless you knew what I don't know.

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When people like you talk, you just wonder if they know what the issue is or just spewing out anything that their brain can come out with. So Africans that want reparation from the West are the winners in slave trade saga according to your brain full of wisdom? Or the Jews demanding reparation were Victors against the Nazis?

20 Pounds given to Igbos were not a social security handout from Nigerians to the Igbos, the 20 Pounds comes from whatever money they seized from a bank account of every Igbo man, they will give the person 20 pound and the kept the rest. My family had over £600,000 in the Barclays bank and were given £20 and Nigerian government kept the remaining. That is what the 20 pounds is all about and not a gift as you thought. Those without money at all started life with nothing at all.

@Ibime,

I don't think there is anything called forgotten stolen item. If 30 years is enough for you to forget your hardwork and sweat, what kind of person are you? Why is the Jews still demanding the return of their vintage paintings and artefact 60 years after the Nazi war? Why are the Palestinian dieing demanding their stolen land from Israel? By the way, why is Nigeria still insisting that the British return their stolen artefact like the Bini Bronze (FESTAC HEAD)? even whey they were taken during the reign of queen Victoria? And how many years ago was that?

My family's property at Rex Lawson St Borokiri in Port Harcourt was still being occupied by an Ijaw family until we reached out of court agreement with them and got the property back with the help of Chief Melford Okilo ( Old Rivers State Governor 1979-1983), who was my father's school mate in the early 50s. Issue of abandoned property will never die until every man and family get justice. There is no such thing as expired justice? Unless you knew what I don't know.

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Life is sacred, regardless of its tribal home.  However, Yorubas have a more tenable way of dealing with issues of terror than say Igbo does.  If an Igbo residential area is attacked and Yorubas are residing in there with them of course they will be attacked as well.  

Why does every Igbo resort to abusive and personal attacks at the jump of the rope?  I sincerely believe that you still need rehabilitation from the pains of the war.  

I will be back with some words for you later.  You want something that will bring tears to your eyes?  Keep it up, you hear. . . keep up your nonsense.

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They said that the ignorant dies for want of wisdom, Because if I were in your shoes and you are hearing this for the first time, I will sit quiet and listen to all the arguments, ask questions and make some research, instead you are wallowing in your ignorance about landlock. Because your generation knew next to nothing about Nigeria they called their country. The Nigeria you claimed that ascribe the whole of Port Harcourt to Ijaw is your type of Nigeria that had done everything possible to not only divide Igboland but actually wipe it out.

Have you ask yourself where Hon Austin Opara (former deputy speaker) comes from if the whole port harcourt is Ijaw. Where is the present governor Chibuike Amaechi comes from? Or may be Chibuike is an Ijaw name? Senator Obi Wali that represented PH for many years is also Ijaw too? You can include Peter Odilli their too.

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@Ibime,

In my last posting I tried to be fair to you regarding your self styled partitioner of PH because I knew in your past comments, you seem to be fair in your accessment of issues but you seems to have lost the plot a bit and busy digging a big hole for yourself.  If Ikwerres are not Igbos, what tribe are they? Why do they bear Igbo names and speak only Igbo language? We don't beg our brothers in Rivers/Delta/Cross River anymore to be Igbos as they tend to have decided after the war as their means of surviving Nigeria. Events has force them recently to think twice. When Odilli wanted to run for president, the likes of Edwin Clarke told him point blank that he should run under the Igbo quota for president, that he Odilli is Igboman and it's their turn, hence they chose clueless Jonathan when they settled for a VP position for SS.

Anioma people to had realise the folly of disowing their ancestory  too just recently, in fact one of them is now the new chairman of Ohaneze Ndigbo.

I don't know how old you are, may be you should ask your Igbo grandad what these town you mentioned above were called before OBASANJO/AYO IRIKIFE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT FRAUD OF 1978 (when they scattered Igbo towns all over the place and renamed many places to divide the Igbo nation) Before 1978, this was eaxctle what was obtained as the name of these PH towns:

Elelenwo was Elelenwa (keep an eye on my child)

Rumuomasi was then called Umuomasi (Descendants of Omasi)

Rumuobiakani was then called Umuobiaka-ani (Descendant of Obi Aka ani)

Rumuola was then called Umuola (Descendants of Ola (bangle)

Diobu  (Husband of Obu)

Rumuigbo  was then called Obi-Igbo (Decendants of Obi-Igbo- heart of Igboland)

All these towns all borrowed their names from their original ancestors, just as in many Igbo towns are named after their ancestors and the above towns and others are descedants of Igweocha or Igwenga, which was what Port Harcourt was called before the arrival of the white man. Go to Rivers state tourism minsitry and read the govt gazzettes for yourself and see this facts.

Even the tribalistic Nigerian politics shows its face in PH politics of 1979 politics for instance, where NPP dominated PH politics but Ijaw area like Borokiri was controlled by NPN.

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What's all the fracas about this 20 pounds? In any war the loosing side owes the victor reparations to cover the cost of fighting the war. Instead of giving you 20 pounds, Nigeria should have taxed you until the cost is recovered maybe then you will be happy instead of lamenting and gnashing teeth over 20pounds handouts.

You all want me to open another flood gate on the protocols of war so you can see where you erred? Shut up already about this 20 pound and let it rest.

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Ibime, you are so distressed and demented that I would not contribute to your revival or resuscitation. The academic laziness you have displayed on this forum is mindboggling. It is funny to read your posts of cut-and-paste from wikipedia. Such actions confirm the saying that it takes one to find another. I shall not join you in insulting the Okirika people as you have stated that the Okirika folks were foolishly ceding their lands to the British. Ndigbo, Ikwerre or not, would not name their city after British.

If your peanut brain could only allow you to dwell on the abbreviated name of Igwe-ocha mbaram in order to discern the rubbish you have just posted about Igwe-Ocha, I would happily allow you to wallow in your incessantly stupidity.

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@udezue

where did i state my ethnicity?or did you just dream and ascribed a state/ethnicity to me?suffice to say IM NIGERIAN simple!!

im not an igbo hater,all im saying and advocating for is that while i support their right to self determination,its only prudent on both sides to settle all our accounts and close the book so that they wont be bad blood and no one will accuse the other of claiming whatever they r not qualified for, im sure you realise even in the united states where you are that once you stop being qualified for a schorlaship(if your situation changes) or any welfare package,you have to notify the relevant authorities and stop drawing these funds so why r you foaming at the mouth over that?

i wont be fragmented into any ethnic cubbyhole as im first and foremost a nigerian, so dont expect me to support any tribe or ethnicity

it has been how many years after biafra and you r still talking about property stolen how many years ago, lol

why dont you list what your south eastern leaders have done with the billions they have stolen from us and still strutting up and down saying they r being held back from forming a nation, when orji kalu and his criminal mother,did you say anything?NO

how r bout the likes of nnamani,egwu,uba,ngige e.t.c

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Lubrasi is a bonafide Igbo hater. Typical Ijaw fool who have nothing else to show but his shameful display of hate and envy towards anything Igbo. The bagger may even have Igbo blood. DAMN SHAME.

Its like me or an Aro man showing so much hatred towards anything Ibibio. Hopeless.

lol @ the fact that he always talks about Yoruba people yet he is not Yoruba. Please focus on Ijaw and tell us what ur Igbo hating leaders have done and achieved for ur people after all the properties they stole from Igbos in parts of PH? I don't think Nigeria gave Ijaw folks only 20 pounds after the war unless u are an "Opugo".

Ibime,

U are extremely confused. U need no one to commend you that you acknowledge you are also Igbo. Are u silly or what? Its like commending a mulatto man because he thinks he is also black. U are either Igbo or you are not. Am I asking any Ibibio to pat me on  the back because I do recognize that part of my ancestory? Get the heck out of here with that nonsense.

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i know what is going. igbos hate be land lock,  don't fight with ijaws over land. MEND can start shooting. Why not try to claim calabar. Calabar people would give you access if nigeria break up. remember effiong philip.   so make una no worry,  you are covered. and they should not dredge the niger. onisha and asaba would sink if they do. erosion problem from satellite picture.

igbos do not worry even if nigeria breakup, calabar people may want to join you.

you can have a seaport not too far from Aba, along the imo river, it lead to opobo and into the atlantic ocean,  It is big it can hold ships. I don't have time to show you the picture. but the imo river lead into the ocean. it is short too. that can be a seaport there, 

The real problem is noone know igboman heart. Yorubas want to leave, ijaws want to leave, tiv want go. The only people you dont know thier mind is igbo. may be there want move o abuja. there better declare thier mind. This is the time to do so. If the conference go and you no talk,

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""""The Chief Yellow of Bakana ( Kalabari ) stood as a witness when the Amayanabo ( KING ) of Okrika handed over the land to the British. """ na fake story. someone just quickly put it there, check history,

wonder would never end, so who no know in nigeria, that the ijaw own port harcourt. If you do not believe, why were igbo not allow to to take back their properties after the civil war. If you own something would someone refuse to give you the properties on your land.

I have never heard igbo claiming to own port harcourt expect today on the internet. wonders would never end.  you see if you look at the satellite picture, the portion the igbo of river claim, my brother they said over 1 million in the census, una, close to nothing dey there. or you want me to start posting pictures again.

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Then you must be 100 years old seeing as my father grew up in Aggrey Road. Even Eziachi who was alive in the 1960's grew up in Borokiri. If so, when did you live in Igwe Ocha? In the 1940's? lol. The name and architecture of roads such as Harold Wilson rd and Churchill rd in Borokiri and Town proves beyond doubt that Borokiri has existed since colonial times.

You are so silly, you do not even know that PH started in Borokiri and then expanded into Ikwerre lands. There is a reason you call it Igwe Ocha (Land of the white man) - simply, it is not your land. If you guys actually lived in Igwe Ocha, you would not name it after the white man. The name Igwe Ocha alone should expose your nefarious claims to ownership. What you call Igwe Ocha is what we Okrikas call home. You only named it Igwe Ocha after we sold it to the white man and they populated it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Harcourt

Port Harcourt was founded in 1912 by the British in an area traditionally inhabited by the Ikwerre and the Ijaw. Igbo traders called it Igwe Ocha which in their native tongue means "land of the white man". The land which is actually the Okrika Ijaw fishing settlement called Borokiri was given to the British to settle for administrative purpose replacing Degema in the heart of Kalabari which had become too far and obscure. The Chief Yellow of Bakana ( Kalabari ) stood as a witness when the Amayanabo ( KING ) of Okrika handed over the land to the British. The initial purpose of the port was to export the coal which geologist Albert Ernest Kitson had discovered in Enugu. Port Harcourt today has expanded deeply into Ikwere settlements. It attracted many Igbo traders and laborers who settled there in its early years. Igbo manpower played a major role in the development of Port Harcourt and today many of Port Harcourt's residents are Igbo.

So who is the indigene and who is the settler? !

You guys came there and started naming towns Umuola, Umuomasi and such, trying to stake claim to the land. Till today, the Ikwerre's still complain about your land grab. Your only claim to PH is that the Igbo-dominated Eastern Regional Government of pre-67 had carte-blanche to Igbolise the whole of PH. Thats why Ikwerres happily acquiesced to the name change of these places to Rumuola, Rumuomasi and so on after Rivers State was created.

As for the Ikwerre and other Igboid groups in Rivers State, I shall comment no further. Why not let them decide if they want to be part of Ndigbo or not? If it is their wish, no problem. If not, I don't know why you are having heart attack over it.

Just because you come to market in PH, does not mean it is your town. A word is enough for the wise.

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@Ibime

You are a bitter compound . When I lived in Igwe-Ocha mbarama (PH), the area of Borokiri was a swamp (slump). Other then the area of Abonima(sp) Wharf which I could concede to Okirika, the rest of PH is Igboland (Ikwerre). Even the mightiest deity in PH is Igbo. If a calibrated fool of you caliber thought that the saga of abandoned property had accorded you any ownership of anything in PH, think twice because the end is in sight.

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Eziachi, thank you very much. Please tell your brother Dede1 to get his facts right. I also grew up in Borokiri, near Navy base.

I hope you know that Saro-Wiwa is not an Ijaw sha.

Dede1, or is it Quotasystem? You are a buffoon. After being soundly defeated when it comes to the facts, all you know to do is exchange verbal missiles. !

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When I wrote that you are a demented bastard, I did not know it was understatement. You keep proving your worth as a loudmouthed on every post. I wonder who let you out of the cage to constitute yourself into a public nuisance on this site. I have nothing against Okirika people and please stop fronting for Okirika folks because you are making them look horrible. I am of the view that Okirika people had handful of dunces they needed to be eradicated so do not attempt to transplant yourself to Okirika.

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@Ibime,

I think you partly right and partly wrong. Port Harcourt all a whole city cannot claim any single group. Just as you said, their part that are Kalabari, Okrika and then Ikwerre, which has greater majorty of Port Harcourt. Ikwerre people are Igbos both in culture and language, unless like most of them you are saying they are not, which is not a problem for me because anyone can claim to be what he wants to be. I was born and grew up in Borokiri area and that is Okrika land, Obigbo or Oyibo as that madly call it now is Port Harcourt and core Igboland.

Greater number of people of old south east supported Biafra fully. I fought along side by side with many of them folks especially the Efik and Ibibios, they are great people. Opposition came only mainly from the Ijaws through their self centered leaders then like Ken Saro Wiwa and Edwin Clarke (and where are they today with Nigeria?). They got their rewards after the war. In a New Biafra, they can be part of it if they wish to and they can opt out if that is their wishes and a better option for them.

We are not planning the repeatition of another Nigeria (united by force).

We have lived and inter married peacefully for thousands of years before the white man came and yoked us with complete strangers from the North/West in name of the empire and we can live like that again if they so wish. That is why at least 40% of most Ijaws had an Igbo ancenstory. It's a fact.

The Opobo ruling family till this day are IGBOS.

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Romeo,Lucabrasi,Negro_Ntns,Ibime,Eziachi and Dede1, make all of una stop turning this into a wrestling ring I beg. The year of 2009 just start, pls save your abuses for these crook Nigerian politicians.

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@eziachi

why would i disagree with or have any negative bias towards the biafran bid?

all im saying is that while some of what you have mentioned are advancements for the actualisation of whatever you r fighting for secession and all,its not enough justification for at least 20 years, we r all agreed money isnt an option,neither do your demographic have a dearth of eminent personalities,

if its easier for you to be in denial then good for you, second you have conveniently given yourself selective amnesia while posting,i asked you a question most igbos have refused to answer,and true to form you have refused to answer it, pls answer the questions so that we ll know how to go about secedding

@ibime

where exactly in my comments have i verbally,physically or otherwise advocated for them to stay part of nigeri?

they r totally free to leave nigeria but i asked a question concernng the federal allocation and none of them have been bold enough to answer and address these issues, says a lot about the mind set tho doesnt it?

now dede1 slowpoke is pouring vitriol on yourself just because you said porthacourt isnt part of igbo,see what im saying about the subliminal objectives i biafra?

check the questions i posted again concerning the igb stance concerning the south south

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This . It is better you learn about the local issues in River State before opening your mouth to spew bunkum. Even the Ogoni's acknowledge that they are originally from the upper-Volta region of Ghana. Only in your bush mind is that meant as a slight to the Ogoni people. When they landed in Niger-Delta, the Ibani people of Opobo gave them virgin bush inbetween Opobo and Okrika to settle in and named them Igoni (meaning foreigner). The British later bastardised the name as Ogoni, the same way they changed Okrika's name from Wakirike to Okrika. Look it's better you focus on Igbo issues, not Niger Delta issues cos you know nothing about the local interaction between all the Niger Delta tribes.

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The wars the Igbos fought is not the issue here or is it? You mentioned that we are not known outside Nigeria for nothing short of that war or didn't you? Why are you flaming like LNG in off shore rigs?

What are you people known for other than "santerismo" outside the shores of Nigeria? answer me "Mr. Igbo Advicer" on how to market ethnicities. I can't believe what i read in Nairaland sometimes. We are not asking for your pity or support, when we needed that we were given 20 Nigerian pounds each to start life and re-insert ourselves to the dubious fold called Nigeria.

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The last time I checked though, the politics of Eastern Nigeria started before the primaries of 1955 that led to the general election of 1956. If Ikwerre/Etche would want the son of the soil to represent her at Enugu or Lagos as the case maybe, It had nothing to do with the ethnicity. In Ngwaland, people like Chief Ururuka and Jajanwachukwu represented Ngwaland not somebody from Abakaliki or Ikwerre. In WAWA axis, we have people like Onoh and Ugwu. In Urutta, we people like Nmegwam and Njoku. In Ikeduru axis, there was one Chief AUD Mba not Ikwerre/Etche person.

Please I had rather have someone with a well configured social order above his/her shoulder supporting a Biafran cause than one imbecilic slowpoke like Ibime.

If you are a grammar, I can teach it as course but thank goodness you are a load of rubbish nobody would take on a Pro-bono.  

As your comment pertaining to the Ogoni people, I shall leave it for the Ogoni indigenes to cross sword with you on that issue. According to one of your skewed claims, your empty slowpoke claimed that Izon people settled in Nigeria before Ndigbo. Did Ogoni people leap frog over the Izon to settle in Nigeria? Please get a grip on your irredeemable idiocy.

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Prior to 1966, which war did Igbo ever fight and how many of them did you win? Go ahead and list.

Yoruba is proud of its indigenous culture and religion. It bothers us that we are practicing the faith of foreigners - Islam and Xtianity, we'd rather just stick with the ways of our forefathers and in the end that may just be what will happen as we evolve into the future. You can make juju out of any religion - Judaism, Xtianity, Islam, . . .etc.

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I knew you were a fool but not to this extent!! I should be happy you acknowledged your igbo ancestry? LMAO! You can deny it and i will not lose a sleep over that, So chill.

Who wrote the history of the Ijos? The Ijos themselves of course!! The way they are trying to "Ijawlize" The entire Niger Delta. Any archeological evidence to show they where there before others? Nonsense!!

I am not and we are not begging Nigeria for any independenece. They are begging us not to secede because they need us.

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Look at this . My guy, proper use of English is beyond you, so stop trying to speak big grammar and dropping kpoa all over the place.

Your allegation of Izon being from Ghana is just silly so I will not even answer it. The only migrants from Ghana to be found in the Niger-Delta are the Ogoni who settled here 150 years ago.

I asked you a simple question - does any Igbo man go home to PH for Christmas? And the answer is no.

Now you are trying to annexe the Ikwerres in order to strengthen your claim on PH. Why don't you go and claim Ahoada, Etche, Ndoni and all the other lands that lie further north of PH first? slowpoke!

Now, if you don't know, PH started at Isaac Boro Park, right near the port where the ships unload. From there it spread North to Oil Mill and South to Borokiri. If you silly Bottom doesn't know, the whole of Nnamdi Azikiwe rd to Lagos Bus Stop and Aggrey Road to Borokiri is all Okrika land. Anything to the east of Rainbow is also Okrika land. The Amadi referred to is the Amadi village of Okrika near Mothercart, not the Amadi of the Ikwerre. Even if you forcefully annexed the Ikwerre's, half of Port Harcourt can never be yours.

Ikwerre people are not part of Ndigbo. Na by force? Thats like forcing the Itsekiri to join the Yoruba. You do not speak the same language anymore. At best they can be described as Igboid. They are as distinct from you as the Spanish are from the Italians and Portuguese and the Dutch are from the Germans.

This is what I was talking about earlier when I said Ndigbo is not democratic in it's dealings. If you can alienate me, a proud supporter of Biafra, then what chance do you have of winning over the Yoruba to your cause? You know you cannot break free of Nigeria without their support.

Now, please read this lesson from history and learn for yourself that under no circumstance will any Ikwerre man consider himself to be an Igbo man.

http://nationalpointonline.com/nponline/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,print,0&cntnt01articleid=627&cntnt01showtemplate=false&cntnt01returnid=15

According to my late father, politics actually started in Ikwerre in 1955 with the election of councilors into the then only council for Ikwerre/Etche Federated Council at Choba. But proper political awareness diffused into majority of Ikwerre people in 1964, when one Eluguru Onu (a Diobu based Ibo man), rose to contest for the only seat allotted to Ikwerre in the House of Representatives against a son of Ikwerre land (Barrister Nwobidike Nwonodi).

This attempt by an Ibo man to represent Ikwerre was viewed as an affront to the people of Ikwerre ethnic nationality. It therefore generated a lot of tension in the land as that challenge woke Ikwerre people up which made them to decide to pool their resources together to decimate the pugnacity exhibited by the said Mr. Onu.

**** Take note of the tone of the emboldened part. That alone should tell you that the Ikwerres consider it an outrage for Igbo's to claim them*****

The Ikwerre people succeeded at the end of the contest as Barr. Nwonodi emerged victorious. Before this period, political support or solidarity was more of a tribal thing than the popularity of the political party. No wonder every taxable adult in all the communities in Ikwerre land, contributed his widow’s might in cash and kind through a general levy to see the victory project through.

Now, of you realy want to learn about Ikwerre identity. I have provided a link for you. Just because people speak something similar to your language, that doesn't mean they are one of you. You can be as different as the English and the Americans or the Beron and the Hausa.

https://www.naijamall.com/newsdatabase_template_page.asp?cmd=commentdetail&commentid=218

http://www.ikwerreusa.com/achinewhu.pdf

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Have you for a moment realized that people termed Izon are Ghanaians? I am certainly not the one to teach you the true identity of your ancestors. One of the main reasons people are hanging tightly to the failed state known as Nigeria is because of the reality check that will follow if Nigeria should disintegrate. The will be a forced repatriation.

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