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What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner?

What of if Dora Akunyuli was not "one of us?". Am sure all of us would have put on our seeing glasses and seen the motive(S) behind her Memo. Its obvious we (southerners) are setting double standard for judging public servants.

Am beginning to see clearly now, especially since the issue of Dora that northerners may actually not be the problem of this country but the fact that we set double standard.

Our media houses are fond of reporting biased issues:-

1) When Oladipo Diya & co planned Coup, It was a phantom coup

2) When Dora goofed, She became our 'heroine and saviour' for speaking last minute, ill-motivated, self centered truth.

^^^^^^^^Should i go on and continue to list others?

I have learnt to speak the truth at all times not matter who, when where or whose ox is gored

Right is right even if every body is against and Wrong will continue to be wrong even if every body is in support of It.

The attacks are all expected. But i refuse to join the Majority to sin.

Must we continue in sin double standard, because grace abound?

GOD FORBID!!!!!

Am sure if DORA was in TURAI's position the issue of 'spouse abuse' will not arise.

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You still can not show me wht action of hers was unconstitutional or where he goes against the Constitution.

Read her statement again which was clear, direct and simple for every rational human being to understand, before you attach the wrong action of the NAAS to her memo.

She called for two things to be done rightly here, which are

11. We need to do what is morally right and constitutional (1)for the President to officially hand over to the Vice President to function as Acting President. (She did not asked the NAAS to make the VP an acting) If he does not, (2) we can evoke whichever aspect of the constitution that should make the Vice President an Acting President. (She said whichever aspect of the constitution and what the NAAS did was not part of the constitution she called to be evoked, i wonder why you think she is to be blamed for that.)

Well am not one of those that believe everyone must think the way do, i believe every individual is entitled to their opinion, but as long as it is rational. Good enough that you finally acknowledged that She is a politician and not a pastor running a congregation. In terms of political view i give her credit also on how she managed the situation. And i would bet it that non of you criticising her would have managed the situation better and remain the last man standing.

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a) Pls extract a paragraph from the memo to support this accusation – Your current President Yar adua, need I remind you is a member of the PDP Party, they BOTH came in on that ticket and will most likely rerun on that ticket. There are already organizations and peoples (even some spaced Niger Deltans) that are so excited by the prospects of having one of their own in that presidential office and will more than likely  vote for any ticket that has Jonathan on it as President. Do you think the PDP, the CABAL/the OJUJU Calabar does not know of this?

b) Pls extract a paragraph from the memo to support this accusation

c) Pls suggest an alternative to this situation rather than what she called for if you were in her position and dedicated to the governement under which you are serving --- Why do you need an alternative when the SOLUTION is right there in the Constitution and the very courts went a step ahead to advice that those solutions be implemented? Even Gave a 14 day ultimatum so they do not keep holding the nation up? Her alliegiance ought to be to the Nigerian people FIRST and the President second. If Yar adua asked her to annihilate the people of, say, the delta, would she had done it out of dedication to the government under which she was serving as well, or would she had chosen to respect the law of the land FIRST?

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CONSTITUTIONAL

UNCONSTITUTIONAL

YOUR QUESTIONS AND MY ANSWER

a) What did she mean by a thing morally right and constitutional? – I would not know of her own moral Standard but what can be considered constitutional is that which is ALLOWED by the constitution. It cannot go against the constitution and still be Constitutional

b) What part of the constitution was supposed to be evoked if the president refused to hand over properly?    -- NO PART OF THE CONSTITUITION ALLOWS for an ACTING PRESIDENT WITHOUT EXPRESS PERMISSION OF THE SITTING PRESIDENT

 

@Princekevo, I am not you, I do not think as you do. To expect everyone to approach issues as you do is not only naive, but also arrogant in all-wise. She is a politician, and this is politics. If you think it is all about sentiments and feelings, then you are probably best to NEVER step into the political ring, EVER. A leader ridiculed a whole people, and this law of the land was broken, usually, when this happens, there are consequences down the line, but in this case, all parties ESCAPED consequence of any kind.

This Story of Nigeria has been that of breaking of laws by the few in leadership on the most part, and the people suffering the consequences over and over, and for generations.

I expect our politicians at least understand what the constitution is for and why NOONE, not even THEM can be ABOVE IT, especially when you are dealing with a situation such as you have in Nigeria. We cannot plead rule of law and the next minute applaud the trampling of the same law by our politicians.

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In you own word please can you interpret the following content of this memo you posted and answer the following questions in red.

(I remember saying this when the formal AGF Attacked her for the memo. She was the only one that have Yaradua's government at heart that is why she is calling on him to do the right thing)

Oh c'mon, If not for hatred how can someone not see a sincere and unbiased call from someone one want the right thing for the sake of the nation. If you and others put your hatred aside you will discover that the woman was pure unbiased but jst calling for the FEC to do the right thing.

I still can not understand where the woman's call go against the constitution as u statede in you statement A neither did i see where her call promoted PDP remaining in power a longer term. Please you can extract them from the memo if any and post them here.

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Pull your head from your Bottom there, and READ the memo that was read to the nation on Feb 4th. !!! That is all you are being told to do here.  READ THE MEMO yourself rather than continue to PRETEND you know what it says, all from HEARSAY as most Nigerians typically do !!!  READ AND THINK On what is written in that memo to understand what really happened to you, and your kind.  Read to understand when you are being PLAYED and when you are not.

By that memo, a whole nation was galvanized into essentially 

a) GOING against the Constitution, even though part 11 of that memo stated what had to be done had to be according to the constitution

b)ensuring PDP remains in Power for longer than this term  simply by switching persons in power

c) ensuring a NOWHERE president escapes consequence of any kind --- He can continue to be president from whereever he wants. Isn't that what Aaondooka said would be the case in the first place?

d) Avoiding the invocation of Section 144 which should have been invoked, and the courts called to be invoked less than 14 days before this huge set back that essentially turned the focus of the nation from the problem to the new "sweety" package

We cry that there is a CABAL out there plotting against us yet we have accepted the same terms offered by the "CABAL" only now we pretend it is better than what the "CABAL" wanted for us, when we have EXACTLY what we had, nothing changed.

Ignorance is NOT bliss!

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Nigerians allow sentiments BLIND them Over and over. Ignorance is definitely not bliss!

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-425536.0.html

An example of a Northerner who KNOWS the truth, apparently more than some southerners are willing to allow themselves stomach.

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If saying the truth means being angry. Then you are a missing the point.

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Am saying that if she was to be a northerner, we would have be asked to understand why she took that decision, It will be that she took that decision for the good of the country

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I have no interest in a debate where the ultimate objective is to types last

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Sigh! @Mikeansy, isn't it dishonest for you to almost ALWAYS claim, whenever you are unable to argue your side of the debate well, that your opponent is JEALOUS/HAS BAD BELLE/ IS DISHONEST etc? Why not come up with something different for once?Why not try debating me in a civil manner instead? I have highlighted my argument and have even consulted the records for you to see, yet you continue to toss it all aside sighting the usual? Won't you ever get tired of this? I mean I can understand you not having anything to continue with, but this BACKBITING/TRYING TO GET EVERYONE ELSE TO SEE YOUR OPPONENT AS THE PROBLEM is getting really old. On most every thread now, you have taken to doing this exact same. Are you not open enough to see what you are doing and how it portrays you as the dishonest debater here?

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You can not have a debate with some one who means something else from what they type.

Her anger against Dora has nothing to do with her records. She is just angry somebody was brave enough to rock the the boat.

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@ Kobojunkie

Yes, there was a cabal running the country.

As an analogy, a trader was stricken with stroke (you know he can’t move, write, or talk), then his apprentices start making decisions as if they were their boss’s mind and do any transaction as they deem fit without any sanction from their boss. What do you call them? What do you say their actions are? Legal or illegal?

To the questions: But what were the CABAL doing then? Where they not protecting the interest of Yar adua as well?

They were not protecting the interest of Yar’dua rather they were protecting their own interest. The person that protected the interest of Yar’dua was Dora by not agreeing he should be sacked, rather he should take his time, recover, rest and return to office. Nobody will steal his mandate from him.

Court’s ultimatum was for a medical panel to be set up. Turai never granted anybody assess to her husband, how do you think she would the medical panel? It would have been a merry go round till the military finds excuse to ruin everything.

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Why do you people take dora issue so serious. Dora is a nollywood star, Dora now correct actor. She be jamebond. She is only acting. Can you see. To God, Dora is ready to tell you anything.

things like "I would die Jonathan" or "Jonathan I am ready to be second wife"

Look, at this moment, she is never ready to second wife for Jonathan. When I read about Dora most time. I always laugh. It is one drama to another. She is the first minister in nigeria to make Drama a part of a lifes lifes. Her program should be real life on Television. Dora act everything. Check her out next week. She would have another story .

I pity her husband. The man go don give up. Drama too much. I alway laugh everytime I read her story.

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We have always believed some “OJUJU-CALABAR” is responsible for our ineptitude, blunders, and lack of care, both at the federal, state and local levels.  You go anywhere, even Aba, Calabar, Enugu, Akwa, and you will hear stories of some “CABAL” keeping the local government from fixing the roads, or even issuing driver’s licences without collecting bribes. There is always some MONSTER/CABAL responsible for our ineptitude.

At least you admit she did it to protect Yar adua’s interest. But what were the CABAL doing then? Where they not supposedly protecting the interest of Yar adua as well? Why do we fault THIS “AlMIGHTY CABAL” then for trying to do exactly what she did? Let me guess, because she beat them to doing it the UNCONSTITUTIONAL way FIRST?

You wouldn’t want a comatose PRESIDENT sacked because he has a year left in his tenure? What makes you think he cannot get a second-term next year? Will you then say you wouldn’t want him sacked because he has another term to go? (JOKE)

The Courts gave a 14-day ultimatum. If the FEC had instead gone with the court, the CONSTITUTION would have been respected, we would have ensured that Yar adua could NOT get a second term, even if he dies and is resurrected later on. Jonathan would have had full power OR the country would have had to deal with the issues it ought to have. And the Senate would have been more serious with Amendments. If you remember there was widespread talk of amending the constitution to DISALLOW any other president from repeating the same. How serious is that move now? It is almost as if the events of the last couple of months never happened -- we are back to busy as usual, is this really what we want?

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^^^

Not at all.

But do you believe there was no cabal manipulating the country?

I think Dora played the best of politics to move the country forward and at the same time protect the interest of Yar’dua.

Personally, I wouldn’t want him sacked because he has just a year left in his tenure, but I want Jonathan to have full powers to perform without any constitutional impediments.

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What persons made up this Cabal? Do you know the names of the members of the Executive council? You have to have some Names to work with here, and you have to be able to PROVE that the named have access to the power you claim they do. I mean anyone can come in here to claim someone like Orji was a member of the Cabal. I would say that person would need to be able to prove that Orji had access to that type of power in the first place.

To be honest with you, I don’t buy the OJUJU-CALABAR claim. I have heard it so many times over; it is no longer a joke. Dora is on the Executive council, I believe and Jonathan Goodluck chairs it. Since she has NEVER mentioned any particular name, then I take it is as just the usual Nigerian political move and nothing more.

Ooohh!!! So, you are saying that the President leaving Nigeria for all this time (remember he has not even cared to show up to his own VP) is ok by you? So, her protecting this man’s mandate, even in his blatant disregard for the constitution and the people, do you believe this move was the best or the nation as well? If yes, then Ok.

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006, if someone calls on you to take a critical look at the people you support, is that in anyway same as saying YOU SHOULD CALL THEM EVIL? If your boss decides to take a critical look at you and your record, does that mean your boss believes or thinks you are EVIL? Do you think it makes sense for anyone to say because your Boss is not analysing everyone else AT THE SAME time means your Boss is after you, or your boss only hates you, or has something against you?

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@ mikeansy,

I think it's the opposite she'd been arguing for.

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In what way would it make sense to me? I have outlined some of the questions I have of her action there. The FEC's action was, if anythin, UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The only section which contained the words "ACTING PRESIDENT" specified that this could only happen by the PERMISSION of the sitting PRESIDENT. The Courts however suggested, in fact gave an ultimatum which was CONSTITUTIONAL, and would have rid us of a "DEADBEAT" President. So, How do you think the highlighted would make sense to me?

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Ok use the highlighted in your own evidence to demonastrate how you have been right all this while about Dora being evil.

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SMH

Kobo, please read again the highlighted in your post and see if it makes any sense to you.

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What are the arguments you know of that I have made before now?

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The highlighted bit does not support any argument you have made before, so tell us how it does.

And by the way your arguments against Dora has not been consistent, you seem to be making things up by day and looking for anything and everything possible to criticise the woman

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Dora NEVER said Yar adua should be declared incapacitated. If Yayale did that, I think he should have been declared Nigeria's hero.

Why, after 70 days, not even 60 day,  of being AWOL would anyone still call for the president to right a letter when he should have, according to the constitution presented that by the 14th day of his absence?

Why, after the courts demanded he be declared incapacited as seems the case, did she ask that the FEC instead require a letter still?

Why was the VP appointed Acting President when the constitution clearly states that this can ONLY be done at the request of the President. Did the President APPROVE this appointment?

If the FEC never recieved a letter from Yayale, then where did the FEC get the authority to do what it did ?

She made claims of there existing a CABAL out there trying to do whatever it is she claimed, YET in her own LETTER she essentially moves to VOTE/STAMP/MAKE SURE Yar adua got another full year as PRESIDENT, even if from his death bed.

The man has been AWOL for over 90 days now but guess what? He is still PRESIDENT of Nigeria. Talk about REWARDING NONSENSE.

@Mikeansy, what has my argument been? If you knew what it was, you would know why the highlighted is something you, as a Nigerian should have paid attention to from day one.

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Kobo

I don't know how the bit you highlighted supports any aspect of your argument, please explain how. I am waiting. Thank you!!!!

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Yayale Ahmed has been an example of a Yar'adua appointee from the North who has stood for the truth all this while. Nobody is discussing him, He is Yar'adua's secretary and has sometimes said openly how he wrote a Yar'adua sick letter which never made it to National Assembly.

He was also on record to have said in the FEC after Dora did that Yar'adua should be declared INCAPACITATED. All Dora pleaded for was for at least a letter to be sent to NASS at least. Yayale said Yar'adua should be declared incapacitated.

I don't know how many threads on Nairaland accusing him of disloyalty.

I am also expecting to see Yayale Ahmed back in Government next week when a new innauguration will take place for he has been forthright!!!!!!

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You need to post the letter Dora read on Feb 4th @Chosen04. Maybe if people ACTUALLY READ That letter a time of two, on their own, they will realize what really happened at some point.

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@ chosen04

Reading what you wrote, I start to wonder whether you have cocoon in your brain or that you’re plain silly. Can you substantiate what you mean by ill-motivated (the motivation) and self centred (the selfishness) behind her action?

What do you mean that she goofed? So you would have preferred the status quo where Aondaakaa and Turai govern this country since Yar’dua is obviously sick and can’t even talk or write? This is where I came to the conclusion that you might be silly after all.

The truth is that she is a heroine whether you hate her or not. Personally, I adore her just like I adore Ken Nnamani and Masari for saving us from OBJ’s 3rd term bid, just like I adore Ribadu for his efforts to weed us of corrupt politicians.

Prof. Dora Akunyili saved our constitution, so she deserves praise.

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^^^

yes things taking a twist

funny how these thing happen

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If i get you right , are you saying we dont have northerners that speak the truth?

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oops! I might be wrong. I think Kobojunkie is confused with her argument and her highlights. It didn't add up.

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