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Why Can't Lagos And Ogun States Be Merged?

I think the Yorubas should lobby for the merging of Lagos and Ogun States. That would be of immense benefit to both states, and these are my reasons why?

1. Merging up the two state would half the recurrent expenditure of the two states and leave more money for capital projects.

2. The boundary between the two states have merged anyway in that most time you cannot tell if a boundary town is in Lagos or ogun, Examples are Agbara, Akute, Ogijo and Isheri, etc.

3. Lagos is too small (too narrow), the distance from the Atlantic to the northernmost boundary of lagos, i.e Odogunyan, Isheri or Alagbado is less than 40kms, and besides all these border Local government areas were taken from Ogun State.

4. The people in border towns have the same sub ethnic grouping on both sides of the state, ie Ikorodus are Ijebus, while Alagbados are Egba.

4. Merging the two state would make the new state a very powerful economic force in Africa. The combine economy would rival that of the whole of Nigeria.

5. Merging them also would give Lagos the opportunity to create new maga city centres as the present ogun has lots of land instead of choking up the already scarce land available or spending billions reclaiming land from the Atlantic.

6. The new Lagos would have enough arable land to provide agriculture to feed the new mega cities.

If two countries - East and West Germany could merge after being separate for more than 40 years, why can't Lagos and Ogun that had been separated for less than the same 40 years.

The process of merging is easy, A referendum by the people of the two states can be held, and if it is voted for by the peoples of the two states, the proposals can be passes as a bill at their respective national assemblies. And once it becomes law, it only needed to be vetted by the National assembly. (that is if they are ready to do their job).

Even Europe is gradually merging, why are we always going in the opposite direction?

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Lagos state is already one of the largest by population in Nigeria. Merging it with another state may lead to creating various problems. The more people you have to manage, the harder it becomes. You cannot please everyone. So, keeping it down and smaller can be a better way to manage the states and develop them in accordance with their needs and opportunities.

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For the dude that suggested that Jamaica is a safe place is either ignorant or just want to argue blindly. I have visited Jamaica, and I can categorically tell you that Lagos as a state is more safer than parts of Jamaica. Did you know that Kingston, Jamaica is an official war zone? It is a no-go area. If you talk about Montego Bay, Jamaica, then that can be a place I can suggest for anyone to visit.

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In fact, the whole country is in dire need of boundary adjustments which would involve merging of some states and bringing together people of similar ethnic root and culture.

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Kobojunkie said

I can tell you from experience that Jamaica is a VERY beautiful and VERY safe place to go on holiday.

Stop displaying your ignorance owing to media stereotypes of black nations.

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Some of my folks are from Ikorodu and they all speak Ijebu, I speak konk Ijebu myself via my Ikorodu folks.

Kobo's Ikorodu talk always dey shaky anyways,

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My mum is from Ikorodu and my Dad is from Ijebu waterside, Ikorodu people are Ijebus. Their native dialect is Ijebu! But we all speak the usual yoruba language now! Check out this page http://www.cefolassaocoed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=54

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Personally, I don't think it is a very good idea for Lagos and Ogun state to merge to bcome one. What we can propose here is to find a way to incorporate the economies of the two states. With the current population explosion in Lagos, Ogun state has a tremendous opportunity to develop its state and give loads of Lagosians the opportunity they crave, i.e., move to a state where it is much less congested and still have the same or better standard of living. We see this happen everyday in Western countries. I can speak for Newyork and New Jersey. Tons of people go to work in Newyork during the day, and go back to their homes in New Jersey at night. To even take further, I would suggest that the states in the geo-political southwestern part of the country, namely:Lagso, Ogun, Oyo, Ondo, and maybe Kwara state should find a way to link up much of their economies. This would create an opportunity for those in the remote areas of these states to come into the fold and forge a better life through the business opportunities that comes with the incorporation. Remember that the five states mentioned above here, put together, can stand alone as a single, self-sustaining country.

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All Ogun State needs to do next time is to vote for AC, with AC in Lagos and Ogun the two states would be able to work in unison.

Ogun’s problem is the non-performing, Rolls Royce riding (Daniel’s has got a rather sumptuous looking Roller parked at his drive in his London Home) Governor at the helms of affair of the state. This problem is not unusual to Ogun State alone it is a cancer in the Nigerian polity.

Give me a modest pay of 3 million a year, and I would commute 99.95% of the state’s resources to the state, if this can be done with all sincerity, the thought of merger of states would be an inconceivable joke let alone mentioned.

Failure breeds contempt and abject failure breeds abject contempt bordering on delusional tendencies. The wholesome failure in the polity,  has made even establish intellectuals to suffer a kind of brain haemorrhage, whereby all sense of wellbeing has being lost.

When you hear men and women who are suppose to be in position of authority relying on an act of God to fix problems, then there is no hope since God himself has already given men the knowledge required to over-come any obstacle we come across.

We are doomed, we are at a cross-road, those that are fleecing the treasury in their various States have lost track of what they have stolen, it actually comes as a surprise to some of them at the end of their tenure of how much they have plundered their poor States.

If the ex Governor of Sharia infested,  cash strapped, Zamfara State can still manage to find some loose $100,000.00 dollars to pay his driver a phantom dowry  in other to indulge in what many paedophiles in the west would give an arm or a leg for then what do we expect, there is an ailment in the land quite alright, I hope the thought of  merger of States is not our next stage of our debilitating dementia.

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Much less to talk of the stupidity of southerners- why is any sensible person from the South of Nigeria talking about merging states- when with the current  amount states in Nigeria, the North still has More- and arent thinking of merging any  Zamfara state with Sokoto or Kebbi.

Even if the states in the North "die off" with no FG allowance- as long as the North has more states than the south- which puts them at an advantage they are OK.

When will southern Nigeria have sense. This shouldnt even be a topic unless Both the NE and NW merge  6 states into THREE(which they wont do) because Northerners know as long as they have more states than the south, they have upper hand in senate seats, reps seat, votes etc . . .

Any Southerner talking about merging states without the North first merging atleast 6 states to make north and south equal is an Ode! Southern Nigerians no get brain mehn-

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Lagos AC, Ogun PDP- and will probably stay Like that.

edited- simply put as it is above

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oh lord he strikes again

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Andre Uweh, i think you are sick. really sick. Andre Uweh lagos and ogun is more populated than the 5 south east states.  and more populated than the north east state,

remove Yorubas,edo,delta into benin republic. Another option is that we create a nation covering Yorubas,edo,delta state.

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yeah because lagos as shown in that bbc documentary is ultra modern.  living in aj city sure is sweet.

delusions.

there is nothing wrong with a little more cooperation among the states

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this should never happen,.

you want my sweet lagos to merge with that Undeveloped and primitive state? never!

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There is really no need for this argument.

Those who are for the merger are making sense

But you must remember the crop of leaders we have dont think like we think.

I think what we should put our effort on this the electoral system.

How do we ake make our vote count.

This is really Important to me.

If it is One man one vote,then this suggestion can be brought in.

How do we make our vote count?

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wat's wrong with merging, when the whole of Nigeria is slightly more than twice the size of California a sindle state in the U.S not in terms of population per say, if it's even merging the whole of Nigeria no prob for me, but those politician, NEVER not in their lifetime, f***k the silly ones among them.

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Merging is not the only solution,few things needs to be done by Ogun state and federal govt like expansion of Lagos-Ibadan expressway and Sagamu-ikorodu road coupled with the construction fast railway lines and modern estates and others.

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Ikorodu is a part of Ijebu and it was under Ogun state before it was took over by Lagos state,from the origin, Lagos state did not have any ethnic tribe called Ijebu and it was when they encroach their boundary that they were able to claim ijebu settlements like Agbowa,epe,imota and others, the original language of these towns is Ijebu as history has it.

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ROFLMAO!!!

Greece maybe, but definitely not Jamaica. lol

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@^^,

the thing about tourism is, to me a hard sale. once the whole country can not be certified safe not only by Nigerians but the outside world , it would not earn the EXPECTED INCOME. would you take your next holl. in Jamaica, Greece.?

assuming ISRAEL is not waging war on its neigh bour imagine the am out of income on tourism.

another delusion is on natural resources, we will be back to sq. 1 with them . cos of our inability to train Nigerians properly tech . wise.

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I think taraba is on the same pedestal as niger except that it can add tourism(Gashaka and Gumpti parks) and uranium to join.Of course it still boils down to a visionary leader.

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the one state i am confident of in the north is NIGER STATE, when i visited the state i can hardly believe my eyes on the amount of arable land and luscious vegetation the state can boast of.

that state alone if well govern will surely feed the whole nation.

others that i have been are nothing but eyesaw, kaduna with its dilapidated machinery and infrastructures, Kano overpopulated with the govt doing f.uc, k all. the rest well ,don't go there.

i may be wrong though, but that is my take.

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i disagree on taraba.

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I do not believe Ekiti, Taraba and Osun would survive. I am sort of partial when it comes to Ondo simply because it is one of the older states in the country.

I do agree. Half of the states in the North will likely collapse without aid.

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and its time we come out to debate this issue b4 it confront us in 10 yrs time, this oyel will dry up one day.

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shouldn't that be the job of our institutions of higher learning? what's the point of having history and anthropological departments if research isn't done on our origins.

kobo - what states do u believe can't survive? ekiti,taraba,ondo,osun?

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Abeg Oh! Kobojunkie and co. isn`t this argument is becoming too long and away from point?

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I am impressed with your response. It is a pity that even in the 21st century, we still rely on oral traditions and stories to understand our history and have to rely on foreigners to tell us about our history. That is why we have so many different versions. I wonder what our history professors are doing?

I honestly do not understand what you meant by Ikorodu was founded by Oga and that Oga was said to come from Ile-ife.  Does that mean that the area now called Ikorodu was uninhabited before Oga came?.

I suspect people claim Oga came from Ife because Ife was the spiritual centre of the Yoruba Religion and every tribe tries to claim it origin from there. Just like the Hausa tries to claim Saudi ancestry or Igbo Jewish ancestry.

Please furnish me with more info when you get it.

I mean since Ogun state generates very little internal revenue, they would go completely broke if sufficient subvention does not come from Abuja, thereby leading to social problems.

When i talk of mega projects, i mean projects that would have massive impact on the people, not shopping malls, stadiums,airports or free trade zones. I mean power projects (which is highly capital intensive), railway system, modern expressways, and other infrastructures like water, etc. that would have direct impact on the lives of the masses.

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ijebu itself has links to benin, you this oversabi. Ever heard of ile ife?

it's so tiresome arguing with people who lack cognition.

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/beni_2/hd_beni_2.htm

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Is the US now Britannica? Are we to suddenly assume that all sources that do not corroborate your version are no longer acceptable? Come on now! You and I know it is one thing to know of a place and another to know of a place's history and how things came to be as we percieve them.

Dude, Ikorodu is believed to have been founded by Oga. History has it that Oga was from Ile ife, and not from Ijebu. Ikorodu was a trading post and its proximity to Sagamu/remo area would make sense for why the Ijebus are found in Ikorodu. There also exists a link to the Benin people as well, those from Ibadan areas. I remember one of the keji son's telling me a story of the benin link to Ikorodu. The Awori story I heard some time ago and I seem to find from some sources online, and since they make up a huge part of lagos, it makes sense to me. That some in Ikorodu speak Ijebu does not necessarily mean Ikorodu was always ijebu. I do know for a fact that even those in Itumoja, Itupate, Italewa areas do not speak the same dialect as you would find say in isiu, agbowa areas. And those are closer to what you would get to Ijebu areas though.

Like I said, I have found so many twists on this at this point that I will rather wait for more to verify this as I have not really done much research on the subject myself but I heard quite a lot of history from folks I grew up around about the town and that is much of what I go by to this date. I just called home to a friend who I know is Ijebu and he promises he will get me a write up on the history of the towns in the area. He considers himself an Ijebu man living in Ikorodu, and he seems to be well versed in history of Ijebus and Ikorodu areas and I intend to dig as deep as I can with him. So, I prefer not to continue this until I get some facts to work with.

I agree that there ought to be fewer states and that states should definitely fend for themselves but I don't believe nothing is stopping any state from doing that even to this day. Mega Projects should not be the states priority in my opinion. I think states ought to focus on projects that directly improve the standard of living of their own people and these projects do not have to be mega to be necessary. Leave the mega to the private sector where there are higher chances they will be better handled and maintained.

States are not to use Tax-Payer money/money that belongs to the people for projects that do not come with guarantees such as building of shopping malls and all that lot. States ought to busy themselves with projects that help lift the people and help them better compete in the country and the globe as a whole.

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I think they are already merged, wat with agbara, ijanikin, otta,etc housing major institutions like schools, churches, companies, homes, from which millions of people commute almost on a daily basis. Its just left for a bill to be passed and other constitutional requirements to be effected.

But as for benefits, I dont really see much except increased land mass for housing the overflow from an already full Lagos.

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I think more highly of you than what you are engaging in now, which is arguing in a cul de sac. I told you I live among Ikorodu people, So many Yarubas have come to confirm that Ikorodu people are from Ijebu subtribe of yoruba, and no Ikorodu person had come to dispute the fact (and i am sure we have some ikorodu indigene here), and you are still looking for fact? where are you looking for the facts form? - the US?. Is that where you got your info from that the Ikorodus are Aworis?

When revenue Abuja dries up, where will the money to run the government come from?. Poverty usually leads to social upheaval as is currently happening in some parts of Nigeria now.

Yes that was because the tribes were under different autonomous governments, with very little interference from a central government. That kind of arrangement tend to divide people rather than unite them. were those inter/inter tribal conflicts pronounced when the whole of the yorubas came under one government?

I did not say each local government or town should not fend for itself, what i am saying is that at the state level, it would me better to have fewer states. Mega projects can be prosecuted at the state level that cannot be done if the state is too small to generate sufficient revenue. Most of the biggest projects in Yoruba land was executed by the mega western Nigeria state, even without oil revenue.

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I have read so many versions of this story and I think it is futile arguing it without facts.

Why would that lead to disaster?

Inter/intra tribal conflictes existed long before we came together as a nation -- way before creation of the first states. Merging states will not fix that problem.

Nothing currently STOPS each town/state from fending for itself. more than 75% of the states we have today are capable of doing that. Like I said earlier, Ogun can definitely fend for itself if it was truly serious about doing that and it could actually compete, some day with Lagos if it learned to use it's resources to it's advantage. Ogun may not have the population Lagos boasts of today but it does have resources a-plenty and that is gold.

That a states economy is heavily tied to the economy of another is no reason to think merger. Honestly, I still do not see what you see in this. Sure, I don't think some states ought to exist but the two states you picked are not one of those on my list.

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Nice idea but i doubt if our so called political leaders would want that cos of their selfish reasons. Ironically, most Ogun state indigenes that i know always claim to be from Lagos especially those who schooled in Lagos.

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This is no issue to waste time on. Why wasting time on impossibilty for God sake? And what ground does this argument hold with the current situation in Nigeria? Can we call it ego or selfishness or trouble seeking or a fun, problem in Lagos is not even half solved neither did the Ogun even discover themselve yet then a topic of merging is being raise, sorry this is issue at all. God Bless.

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Ikorodus are ijebus deres no difference in d dialete.brittanica will never tell you deep about yoruba origin.

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Ikorodus are ijebus deres no difference in d dialete.brittanica will never tell you deep about yoruba origin.

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If these states cannot be divided further, then let the status quo remain and no need for merging.

As for Ikorodu being Ijebu is simply to admit that the Remos are ijebus. If the Remos have their own identity and are distinct from Ijebus, then Ikorodu people are not Ijebu but Remo. To me there is no clear difference btw the local dialect of people of Sagamu(Remo) and the Ikorodu people while there is a clear difference in dialect btw the Ijebus and Ikorodus.

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Yeye dy smell mtchewwwww!

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South Africa is divided into nine provinces: Gauteng, Limpopo, Mpumalanga, North-West Province, Free State, Eastern Cape, Northern Cape, Western Cape, and KwaZulu-Natal.

south Africa land is bigger than ours

many state many problem

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Diz is white elephant project. While some bloodie minority are shoutin 4 new state creation. I beg any other topilc. If 9jeria like make dem divide to 10million state. I only pray 2 see my own chop.

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Although the merger sounds like a good idea, it may not be feasilble in modern day Nigeria.

What however is feasible is the two state governments to work together in fusing the 'economies' of both states. In doing this, the first step will be to create a direct means of travel i.e. fast speed trains between the heart of Lagos and Ogun states. I should be able to live in Ogun and work in Lagos and it should not take me more than an hour on public transport to and fro work.

If the above can be done as a first step, it will go a long way in decongesting Lagos and thus reducing the heavy reliance on the infrastructure in the state. On the other side, it will also go a long way in boosting the economy of Ogun state as more people living in Ogun state transfers to greater commercial activities, etc.

to be continued

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Thumbs up for the bolded.

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Kobojunkie, I live at the heart of Ikorodu. The Ikorodu people see themselves as Ijebu. I have never met an Ikorodu man that says he has Awori roots.

Although I strongly advocate for merging of states, because the current arrangements will lead to disaster in the long run. That is when oil dries out or the price of oil crashes for a sustained period. The reason why there is so much inter tribal and intra tribal conflicts is because of the "rent" economy we are currently operating. If each town, state or region has to fend for itself and compete (in a healthy manner) with other towns states or regions, then they would see the wisdom and strength in merging units with close relationships to each other.

I am surprised some Ogun State indegines are too proud to consider joining with lagos, because the present Ogun state economy is heavily tied to the economy of lagos. Also most Ijebus has very strong ties with lagos, whether economic or social. In fact i can say that a considerable number of people calling themselves Lagos indigenes today have their roots in Ogun state.

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that ijebu is ikorodu or ikorodu is hausa has nothing to do with this wonderful idea of merging lagos and ogun states.it should not be ethnic based but on relevant economic advantage for southwest and nigeria at large.rivers and bayelsa merger will be a disaster because it will leave bayelsa backward.enugu,ebonyi and northern crossriver should be merged while southern crossriver should be merged with akwa-ibom.

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Kobojunkie, because u think they are not doesn't mean they are not ijebu's

I don't know if u've ever heard the phrase, 'ijebu-ikorodu'

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this wil be nice but will bring enemity between the yoruba tribe that has been in peace for a long time.

so no need

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i believe the issue in neither with regions or state, both work fine for me, although i prefer states in place, our experience with both regions and states have shown that the key issue are the people who run them, because of a multi-ethnic society like Nigeria in which you find variety of indigeneous tribes in each state administration becomes more political whereby we have squabbles over where the next governor should come from or where the next general hospital should be located, with the volatile nature of our politics i doubt if such a merger would hold water for long irrespective of any economic argument( and this should never be the only factor considered in administration). as someone on this thread said the 2 states have their own identity and it would be best to leave them that way.

nonetheless the quality and pace of leadership and admin should be our main focus, this is Nigeria anyway, a country where economic suggestions are left in cabinets and files for a thousand years,

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We have talked about this in the past, as far as am concern, I do not think Nigeria needs more than 6 regions, which governors very independent with the control of their resources; while just between 15% to 20% of all the regions earning should be for the FG.

The Population is not up to that of Brazil, yet they have less state, see South Africa, with only 9 regions, little wonder why these countries are improving, South Africa just only few year after Apartheid they have hosted the Rugby, Cricket world cup, now they are hosting the soccer world cup, Brazil will be hosting their second world in 2014, but we are not even considered in the next 30 years; we should merge all the state in the 6 regions, and we can start from there.

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