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Why Do People Love Clinton?

It seems it is not only Naija that the political minds are upside down.

I wonder how a sexual philanderer who had no major policy impact to speak of could inspire such devotion.

And I hear he is doing great charity work in Africa. That same Africa where he ordered bombings when President to take attention away from his troubles at home.

I guess a handsome face and sweet tongue can get you anything.

Now his wife wants to become President.

God save us.

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go to the page on TImothy McVeigh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

In there you can see direct quotes where he professed his belief in God and being raised a Catholic by both his catholic parents. Before you say something isnt true READ SOMETHING AbOUT THE ISSUE. You obviously know little to nothing about McVeigh to claim he was not a Christain. Shows your incredible ignorance. Who said anything about Cheney or the other people you mentioned. Way to GO OFF TANGENT and not stick to the issue. Typical of you Bush supporters. Again, same fascist tactics.

SO again where is the coating of untruth in anything I said huh? And yes, Bush essentially did say he is fighting the war on terror (though not directly) by saying his advice and guidance on what he does in office was inspired by God. Maybe you can read that statement as something else since he didnt say directly that God told him to attack Iraq but one can infer such and that would not be unfounded. Afterall he executed the Iraq war as President and as Commander in Chief and has said on numerous occasionas God guides his decisions. How the Bleep is not that a Christain fundamentalist using his office for religious action? And I NEVER SAID being passionate about Iraq makes you a Christain. Jesus, way to just make leaps of logic and try to cloud my precise arguments. You start clutching at straws when you cannot directly counter the facts and solid arguments I make. Its comedy at its best really. Nice try.

I just posted a source for that Fact. I can post numerous more if you want. Or better yet do a search on google for newspaper articles on the issue. Unlike you who spews bullcrap I can back up everything i say.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yes. Nice how you said Saddam funded Al Qaeda as an anonymous donor. Ahahahaha. Classic right wing tactic. Ofcourse I suppose when I ask for proof you will either say the source is anonymous or the Bush admin said so and as such such a blatant lie cannot be supported with credible sources. Your lame attempts at trying to promote the Bush admins lies is disgusting. You do it so poorly. Even the Bush admin doesnt claim such nonsense anylonger yet their staunch supporters still keep recycling lines that they did like 3 years ago.

I ask for a source or proof Saddam aided Al Qaeda and your response is "Anonymous Donor" Are you on crack? Is that proof? Just your say so. How about this. You are in league with Al qaeda. Davidlyan gave anonymous donations to Al-Qaeda on September 10th 2001 right before the WTC attacks. That makes you a terrorist davidlyan.

Now prove you did not.

See how easy it is to make anyone a terrorist in this day and age. Now the onus is on you to prove you where not an Anonymous donor to Al-Qaeda. I will love to see how you prove me wrong.

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quality, mate.

Timothy Mcveigh was a christian? Please show us which church he attended and when he claimed to be one. Its not enough to make noise and try to appear learned. What do you know about Christian teaching really? Sounds like very little to me when you boldly assert that Mcveigh was a christian.

Yes Bush "claims" to be a christian but i dont remember him fighting a war on terror in the name of Jesus. Tony Blair, Dick Cheney, David Petreaus are all passionate about staying the course in Iraq - according to you they must all be christians too! Quality debate, mate!

There is no propaganda in anything you say, maybe coating untruth with a sprinkling of truth may be a better way of putting posts from the likes of you.

How do we know what you posted are "facts"? By merely believing your very words? When you say Timothy Mcveigh is a christian you understand why its difficult to believe anything that dribbles out of your mouth.

Yep he definitely was not in league with alqaeda, he was only paying the families of al qaeda suicide bombers as an anonymous donor. Again quality, mate!

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There is nothing childish about calling a spade a spade and an and . Saying someone is having an existential meltdown without knowing what that means and using terms in the completely wrong context does not consitute "intelligent discourse." Most of what you spew cannot even be classified as discourse much less that of the intelligent kind.

He was a Christian. Just like Bush. Being a Christian doesn't mean you do Cristian acts. Bush says he is a CHristian yet he started a global war on terror which is the very antithesis of Christian teaching. There is no propaganda in anything I said. You on the other hand are full of propaganda especially when it comes to your potent Zionism.

Again, Saddam was not in league with Al=Qaeda is an indisputable fact. Only a slowpoke will claim and still claims otherwise. And claiming otherwise IS PROPAGANDA like you just did. Again its like you saying the earth doesnt revolve around the sun and saying the 99% of people that believe the otherwise indisputable fact are spreading propaganda. See how silly you sound?

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I wasnt surprised, i've learned not to expect intelligent discourse devoid of childish insults from certain  categories of people. Enjoy yourself my brother.

lol its always better to indicate that you do not understand certain words rather than playing around with semantics.

Timothy Mcveigh was a christian? Some people here have even labeled Hitler a christian - about anything just to spew more propaganda that suits their warped views. The only problem is most of these claims have no proof.

You search so hard for truth in the above lines and you come up empty.

Just because you keep on repeating the same rehashed anti-Bush propaganda with unecessary aggression doesnt make it true.

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Boy you are an . Do you even know what existential meltdown means? Now you are just throwing around words without even knowing their meaning. You got any more words you want to misuse?

The war on terror is as ludicrous a concept as the war on drugs. You cannot wage war against a concept. Terrorists can be bred and are being bred in every country, do you start invading every country that has a few radical ideologues? Cuz every country has one. Timothy Mcveigh was a christian terrorist homebred and raised in the USA. Why didn't we start bombing Oklahoma and the midwest and invade American homes?

Bush and his cronies use the same fascist tactics Hitler used, hell they use the same terminology Hitler did like Homeland and Patriot Act. Straight out of the fascist textbook. Everyone that doesnt agree with their militant policies and desecration of the law is with the terrorists. If you dont support their military agression you are the enemy. The Nazis killed 6 million jews and got people to go along with it because of people that refuse to question such fascist leaders. And its scary that the same thing (on a much lesser scale) can still happen at the turn of a new millennial. Who would have thought one of the greatest nations when it came to human rights is now capturing citizens of the streets and torturing and killing them? Who would have though an American president would be party to war crimes and people would blindly follow him.

Again champredd, how about mention one thing Bush did to promote peace in Africa or stimulate Africa's economy. Just because you keep on repeating the same old lines (like Saddam was in cohoots with Al-qaeda) doesnt make it true. How about post some facts instead of spewing Bullcrap? I know the in thing now is to do like the bush admin and repeat the same lines hoping people will fall for it but even they finally stopped saying Iraq had WMDs. So at least they do not think the general public is that silly anymore. You on the other hand apparently still do.

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Well I notice that denex is attacking me. I think he should go and rest before he has heart attack.

For your info Bush contributed to African growth than Clinton in many ways. Peace in Africa has reached a new level, Congo, Liberia, etc are good examples, and when OBJ started his third term bid, Bush invited him and talk poo sense into his head. And I believe that has an impact on the final outcome.

I'm only concerned about Africa, I've said it before and will said it again. It's time to get selfish and defend our own interest only.

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@Seun

you wan use laugh kill me O! You just explained the definitive level of conviction and the extreme zeal to risk (other people's) life and limb at all cost.

Not to forget that this was also a military man who ran away from service during the vietnam war. I've often wondered how he now became so brave.

Abeg make we talk about Clinton jare.

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I don't think any president of the US will be wise to give a weak Iraq over to the control of Iran. An oil producing lawless nation to serve as a breeding ground for terrorism is the last thing the US wants on its hands.

The communists were a threat but at least they could be counted on to keep a gentleman's agreement. We cant say the same of people who would take their own lives just to kill one american.

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Are you going to bet on a Democrat staying in Iraq for long if the body bags continue to mount?

If Ford could give up Vietnam to the Communists, I see nothing stopping the next Pres. from tactically withdrawing from Iraq.

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A timetable for withdrawal is not feasible and is obviously nothing but a political gambit. When the US withdraws from Iraq is no longer determined by the mood in the US but by whether Iraq is ready to take control of its own security.

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Which only confirms my opinion. Considering staying has cost and is still costing him a great deal of political capital.

He could have agreed with general opinion to draw a timetable for withdrawal and saved himself a load of hassle.

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Bush has no choice but to stay the course in Iraq else he risks giving al qaeda a new recruitment center.

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I think as John Edwards said, the term 'war on terror' has become nothing more than a slogan

But I still respect him for his conviction not to invade but to stay in Iraq though things have gone pear shaped.

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sorry guys but back to the topic. how can you "hate" Bush? Simply because others are "hating" too and we dont want to left out of the hating party?

What really has Bush done to deserve this much "hate"? At least he is taking a firm hand to the war on terror, the same war Clinton chickened out of waging.

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It's easy to be courageous when your life is not at stake. It's easy to be courageous when using people as pawns. Even the greatest coward can become a 'risk-taker' when playing the game of chess.

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stick to the topic guys. i won't advice anyone to argue w/ davidylan because soon this topic will evolve to be an argument about something that is totally irrelevant ex. pakistan or princess diana.

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i don't love clinton i don't hate him either. just indifferent. but he's a nice guy.

bush, on the other hand, i totally H-A-T-E.

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if you took time to read what I wrote several posts before labeling a certain group of people (not others) idiots you would see I posted numerous reasons why Bush should not be spoken in the same sentence with Clinton, much less compared with Clinton. And that is relevant to the topic at hand.

You on the other hand. can you detail why exactly you are in this thread apart from hanging on my n*ts and becoming my next net stalker?

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if david has nothing to contribute then be gone. Afterall I cannot see how this topic has anything to do with Israel and I know you are longing to devolve this discussion into how Israel is a righteous country and all the other zionist propaganda,

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there's no point, past experience has shown that u're best ignored. you can go ahead.

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u guys put a stop to this infantile disorder

na wa o

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Someone said Bush had helped Nigeria with his policies. I merely pointed out he had done nothing of the sort. Ofcourse it is not his place or bussiness what Nigeria does with his economy, but for someone to come on here and post outright lies and think people will not notice is ludicrous. I never said it was Bush's place to help Nigeria with it's economy. It was champredd that said that and I was calling him out on posting bullcrap. I am beggining to think he works for the Bush admin the way he is posting such ridicolous propaganda.

And the way I see it only an calls an unprovoked war against an "enemy" that had nothing to do with anything a good thing. I make no apologies. If you stoop the level of a beheaded chicken running around screaming the same old baked lines that the Bush admin uses with no critical thinking on your own part you deserve such a label. Bush has said those against the war are with Al-Qaeda. I guess all the generals and people that oppose the war are really moslem fundamentalists in disguise that want all countries to become a Caliphate then right?

Again, only an buys such arguments and lines of logic.

I attacked no one directly in this thread. Please name where I called a specific person an . Please. I am waiting,

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@Denex,

We just had an interesting discussion that spanned through four pages regarding 911 without anyone attacking another's personality. I remember cautioning k0be when he was going in that direction. The issues there are just as passionate if not more passionate than the one under discussion here.

I have been following the discussion without contributing. I felt the quality of the debate was really good until Shango's piece which I just had to comment on. Bottomline is that issues can be discussed without attacking people. That people disagree with you is no reason to call them idiots. And calling people who disagree with you idiots is bullshit, or do you disagree?

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what is all this abt?

i bow for una o

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@TayoD

na you call for calm, na you dey call person words bullshit. Anyway, he was referring to someone specifically and he didn't mention names. I felt if I'd cut in, other posters would think him and I had some earlier issues which we did not.

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@Denex,

I make no apologies for dishing it out to people the way they first dish out to me. In most cases, I get to warn them first as I have warned you on some occasions where you throw your sly invectives at me. When their water pass garri, I will not hold back but return every fire with ammunition!

In any case, are you blind to the degrading manner he was posting or you just like to overlook bullshits that further your theories?

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Last i also checked Bush was not the president of Nigeria or head of the international community. Perhaps your anger is better directed at babangida and obasanjo who are feeding fat on your resources while you burst a vein over Bush.

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@TayoD

you prefer that he takes up you method where you enter in a friendly manner and then end up unleashing multitudes of insults finally?

People have their different styles.

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Who said that Bush helped the Nigerian Economy? That person must go to Hell! Bush that we're suspecting of arming terrorists in the Gulf of Guinea?

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funny how Bush supporters have no answers for Bush torturing or instituting illegal wire taps or flounting the consitution with signing statements.

I could care less about the Middle East, but I bet you idiots would be singing a different tune if he unleashed his freedom spreading democracy agenda to West Africa. All US presidents have done awful things, they have all had a hand in assassinating governments and world leaders around the world, both covertly and overtly, but if you are so blind to see that G. W. Bush is the worst of them all then all hope is lost.

The more I hang around this forum the more I come to realize why Nigeria is the way it is. I expect certain groups of Americans to support Bush as to them National pride and allegiance comes first. But for a Nigerian, or anyone not native or born in the USA AND NOT WHITE to support this guy, you guys are the type of people that would have been telling Hitler to move faster with his eugenics program.

Bush has done absolutely nothing for the International community. The clown that said he helped the Nigerian economy. You must be smoking crack. Last time I checked Nigerians where coming to the USA and London in droves, moreso than before. Plus Bush has done nothing, he has no policies concerning Nigeria so how could he have helped Nigeria in any way?

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I think Clinton and Obama would have to stick together to get a sure win.

Anyway, it's all good, but the thing is, I believe with the State of the USA and the former USSR, I believe anybody who would have been their presidents must have felt like God. But someone like Bill Clinton still tried to keep cool like someone as Mikhail Gorbachev managed to keep cool. It is not an easy task.

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I appreciate ur attempts at humor Denex, but I hope Obama wins.

By the way I think the mob analogy is quite apt.

Clinton is as slithery, dishonourable and dubious as the Mafia

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that is such a default answer to turn to champredd

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Hmmm. This is becoming serious. Anyway, can we just concentrate our attention on Bill Clinton?

Who saw Hillary's campaign AD where she and Clinton were acting as mob bosses from the Sopranos? It was so cute.

So Clinton may just be the first "First Man" in US history.

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Using CIA to disrupt the governments of other countries.

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so you castigators of Predidents, what atrocities did Jimmy Carter or Gerald Ford or even Bush I perpetuate.

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It is not just the way they go about their atrocities. The extent to which they go about their atrocities is now becoming a new difference.

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@Champredd

just when we were getting along fine. the surplus Clinton supposedly generated is in America considered a legacy of the Gingrich led Congress(Republican)

For much of his presidency Clinton was in fact a lame duck President.

Remember Congress is in charge of the American Budget. They approve all spending.

While the war is Bush's doing, it is largely responsible for the present deficits.

By the way, the Dow recently touched 14000. So definitely the economy is in good shape.

Pls let us not be so academic.

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Which election victories? Which American Constituency?

And the closed door arena which a President can discuss issues with the people's representatives is called the National Assembly. It is should not be devoid of their will.

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Always remember that Clinton bomb a lot of places in addition to Sudan, Yugoslavia etc.

The only misadventure he had was in Somalia. So the man is not a saint.

And as far as am concerned all US presidents are the same, only the way they go about their atrocities are different.

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It has been the unwritten culture of the US for some time now, that Republicans acquire huge deficits, while Democrats acquire surplus.

So the economy of the US is going to bounce back with the coming of a democrat as a president.

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Haba Seun, lets not be so naive.

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@Seun

You keep praising Clinton. You forget his opportune bombing of a factory in Sudan at a time when he was having troubles.

I am not a Bush supporter but I respect a man with some substance and simply not style.

Bush might not appeal to you, but for the American constituency, the one which matters to him, he is found very charming. He has a Middle America way about him, that has led him to two election victories(and pls dont start on the 2000 elections)

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If a president launches a war for the reason given by denex above, then he must be prepared to face the consequences if your decision turns out to be wrong. he must be prepared to pay for his mistake. He must be prepared to give back every life that has been lost as a result of his foolish decision. Yes!

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I guess that would be a realistic possibility if it is realistic to announce to the whole country your military decisions without your enemy being informed.

Whether you like it or not there has to be a sphere where presidential prerogative will be independent of the public will.

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The problem with this Presidency thing is the misunderstanding of its meaning. If somebody was elected to PRESIDE over issues of a country, he is just a regulator of the people who take action.

Till we undertand what democracy truly is, we cannot understand its tools.

If you ever took time to watch the Senate President Ken Nnamani during Senate Precedings, you will begin to understand what a President's duty should be. (I am by no means using this medium to extol the man Nnamani)

A president is nothing more than a referee and a representative figure and voice that ensures everybody plays by the rules and represents the country when its presence is needed or its voice required.

No president should declare war on engage in any "action" except after he has presided over a debate of the people in which they demand that action.

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I meant a new president coming to tackle the problems of Zimbabwe. Robert Mugabe is no more the President O! He has become a Royal Father.

I was giving that example with the hope that Mugabe will be no more in the nearest future. Sorry for over-expressing my hope.

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Yeah Zim Presido act against agriculture, why? because he stayed too long and ran out of ideas, just like Gadaffi.

911 hmmmmmmmmmm, I think that single occurence is enough to change a dull president into action presido.

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So I guess Clinton got bored, becos there was nothing going on in the world, deided to whip out his jimmy and get a good suck in the cradle of the Presidency.

Well I wonder if Sep. 11 counts as a crisis that should whip a Pres. into action.

Perhaps rather than invade, he should have whipped out his jimmy too.

Maybe Laura just doesn't give blowjobs

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What most Of you still do not know is that there is not supposed to be an action president in the USA. A president is a regulator, a kind of referee or moderator. He should swing into action when something is wrong but most times, just PRESIDE over things.

It is only a football match that is very abnormal that the referee would have much action to take. So it is countries like Zimbabwe and Western Sahara that should have action Presidents not the US, China and Russia.

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