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Will You Allow Your Belly Opened In This Modern Surgical Theatre?

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A case of Ideal vs Reality.

Unfortunately we do not live in an Ideal world, Nigeria is far from an Ideal world, Makoko is even farther from ideal world.

The people who came up with this initiative definitely must have seen the need before coming up with the Idea.

Why will someone waste his time, money and energy providing a service that is not needful or where they have a better alternative.

Who knows how many people have suffered, become hadicapped or died due to lack of such facilities especially in cases of emergency.

It is not an Ideal theater, but am damm sure it is needful and it is serving a purpose.

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And also for the last time hope you saw the vid and realised that there were dctors and proper engineers involved in the building and location of that structure. Dont you think that these people would have put your fears into consideartion before locating it at that place? Or as big as Lagos is, you think they just woke up in the morning and took it to Makoko?

I think Il rather trust the 'professionals' who built this structure and are building more than someone who has only seen it via his computer screen. HOwever, if you have more information apart from the picture, I have no qualms changing my point of view.

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For the last time, performing 22 surgeries there does not suffice for high standards. The underlying factor here is the environment underneath the theater and it's effect on the facility. For sure, that structure will have molds in no distant time and you know the health implication of molds .

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For your questions raised, have you sought to find out how temperature is controlled in the buildings? or what kind of surgeries are being performed? The FACT is that they have performed 22 surgeries i.e 22 potential life/permanent disability savers in that same structure you have roundly condemned. And guess what, they did it for free!

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My grouse is still that we can sit behind a computer screen and condemn. I mean if you had said that you visited the place and noticed these things or you tell me from your 'expertise' point of view then maybe I will listen to your views. As you saw on the vid, the people doing this thing (both Nigerians and Foreigners) are not novices in the building and medical lines. I therefore do not think they would not have thought of minimum standards to be met.

I have not been to the site myself but I have taken time to follow up through via videas and docs available. I am also not saying it is perfect. All I am saying is that it is very unfair to the initiators of this project for us to sit in our homes and condemn their effort based on pictures spread on the net. If at all we want to criticize, objective critisism is needed here, more especially when most of us cannot point to one thing we can boast about that we have done for our local community.

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Did you see the roof of that building?. How do they control the temperature inside that structure?. They may perform 22 surgeries there in 4 hours but it's very unhealthy and I guess they performed minor surgeries because opening the internal organs in that environment is a murder attempt. The government should just relocate the whole Makoko to the mainland.

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In this case, this is actually a surgery where surgical operations are carried out. I think you all should actually watch the video link shown below before jumping to conclusion.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HFIcast

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Ruminants can be operated upon there.

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The word "surgery" in medicine can mean just a consulting place you sees a medical person, not necessarily that they perfom open surgical operation there. I cannot see any modern doctor that will deliberately treat a person in an environment like that, unless in an emergency situation where you have not much of an option.

Opening someone up, while floating on trillions algea, bacterias and  other disease causing organism will be legalised suicide. We often get infection in a well control environment, let alone on filty box like that in the picture.

Probably, it was just a dispensary where they offers just prescription and patent medications.  But you know how addicted our people are for big names. A small snake always turns into a pyton

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A video of the Hope Float Initiative. From the video, at least you will see that these people actually took their time in planning this program and Makoko isn't the only community that will benefit from it.

Kudos to the HFI crew, thank God for people like you who are taking time out of no time to do something for their people while the rest of us sit behind computer screens and condemn your effort.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HFIcast

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These are the people of Makoko. You people honestly think that these people have better options than what this NGO has done for them? Especially since its free?

(pics courtesy http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-260778.416.html)

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I don't believe the question is the problem. NO! question is DIRECT. You are given a picture of a make-shift clinic (I still feel it is a doctored picture cause there is given no information on the actual location of such a structure if it even exists) and asked would you allow your belly opened in this modern surgical theatre. It is not complicated and so there is really no need for standing on the fence here. Either you will or you will not. Now, if additional information were made available, then we can say there is some room for bend available but in this case there is none.

I have actually NOTICED this behaviour( need to manufacture situations that do not exist in order to stand on the fence as long as possible) in so many discussions with my fellow Nigerians. It is so wrong to stand firm on one side of the debate, no matter which side? You go to other forums( non-nigerian) and post the same question and you are likely to find that people actually address the question as is, rather than cooking up extra FANTASIES to put themselves on the fence even when it is not necessary. I am just saying, why the need to manufacture extra, even the most absurd in some cases, just so we can sit long on the fence?

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I still don't get your arguement to be honest. I can still discuss with you because you have not reduced it to throwing insults like a lot of people do on Nairaland so Il really like to understand your point of view especially as regards the post quoted. How do ''people like proudly lay the foundation for our leaders , "?

Is it now a crime for people to contribute their own quota? Is it because of what these people have done that Fashola or Yaradua will not build hospitals in Lagos or Katsina or anywhere else?

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Nigerians and bad belle!!!!!

no wonder una hometowns no dey develop!

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Better half a loaf of bread than none.

I applaud their efforts, no matter how trivial and silly Nairaland geniuses label them.

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Sure, you have answered the question asked you with a YES AND a NO, but still not addressed my questions to you. Why did you feel the need to PULL out the absurd just so you could include a YES in your answer? If this were an exam, would you have answered the same way? I mean this is no rocket science. You know of the normal, you are given a simple picture and asked a simple question. but you felt the need to pull out the absurd just so you can stand on the line between yes and no. All I ask is why ? lol

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For what its worth, I believe i have articulated my point anough. Read through my posts again if that would make things clearer.

I can continue this battle of wits with you, but obviously you are unarmed.

Lights out.

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Roflmao!!! How do you know I am not in the medical field? Because someone who has ABSOLUTELY no clue where I even work made such a suggestion earlier? Please stick to answering the question please.

Are you saying NOTHING of this sort has happened in Makoko before the supposed Attention of this structure? Are you implying that currently, that all the patients have died because this particular structure was not present where it is now( if this is an actual structure).

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@ Kobojunkie

I can see you updated your post. You are not in the medical field obvously. So i forgive your uninformed and unfortunate comments.

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Option 2 is far from remote. I can name thousands of scenarios whereby someone need to be operated on there and then to stay alive. If anything to stabilize the individual before being transferred to a better place.

Just pray you or your relatives dont find themselves in such a position; you would wish for even something less.

For example;

a woman living in a remote village with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy

a road accident victim with multiple fractures and a severed spleen/liver

a robbery victim with life threatening wounds to the chest.

During the time it had taken me to type this post at least one of these situations may have occured somewhere in Nigeria. It is far from uncommon.

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You and I both know that the probabilties of number 2 being the case is just next to impossible so why even add that? I mean Why did you feel we feel the need to consider that at all? Folks who currently live right now in Makoko ( before this structure if even out there) have other places they go for their healthcare needs. So why do we need to find the most outrageous of cases at all?

How about we add the following --

If a nuclear bomb was dropped on Nigeria by Iran and all hospitals except this were incenerated, and if it is an emergency operation, and that is the only available, assessible and/or affordable place, and my life depends on it, then I obviously don't have a choice but to accept it?

If the devil were to inhabit all the other hospitals in the world and this is the only hospital were he has yet to visit, and if it is an emergency operation, and that is the only available, assessible and/or affordable place, and my life depends on it, then I obviously don't have a choice but to accept it?

If God said this is the only place I can get healing that he has to offer, and if it is an emergency operation, and that is the only available, assessible and/or affordable place, and my life depends on it, then I obviously don't have a choice but to accept it?

I find it irritating that instead of a simple saying NO and standing by that, we feel we have to dig into the "All things absurd and ludicrous" pile/dust bin to find the most absurd so we can all so we can add a YES response.

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"would you allow your belly opened up" in that context means to be operated upon. Fine.

If it is an elective operation while i am in my country Nigeria under normal circumstances, of course no. My decision here is based on the unhealthy building and its surroundings. Irrespective of the competence of the personnel.

However, if it is an emergency operation, and that is the only available, assessible and/or affordable place, and my life depends on it, then i obviously dont have a choice but to accept it.

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It's people like proudly9ja who lay the foundation for our leaders allowing us to live in cesspools while they escape to Saudi mecca to get medical help.

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Yes! I am celebrating the fact that a few Nigerians have dipped into their pockets to save lives rather than sit down and condemn eofforts of others.

I am celebrating that 22 lives have been saved so far based on this effort!

Ofcourse it hurts me like most Nigerians that my leaders prefer to travel abroad for medical treatment. But these guys are NOT government. They are only doing their bit!

I know someone who once volunteered in a secondary school where they had only 2 maths teachers for SSS1-SSS3. He spent only three months with them but it was a vital period as the SSS 3 students were then preparing for the WAEC. He spent every single day with them from 8 till sometimes even 4pm.

After about a month, parents would come specially to thank him for the effort. They even started contributing money to pay him even though it was less than 5000naira. It showed the students appreciated it to the extent they could go home and tell their parents about the teacher.

This friend of mine could have stayed at home while waiting for his call up letter. He could have said ''oh my effort would yield nothing'' or thought as an individual, he wouldn't add much to the students. But he didn't, rather he went on and made a difference.

It is the same thing I am celebrating about this 'surgery'. If it was government who built it or if the individual built it as private practice, I may have screamed like most are doing. But from the report, they are doing this to help people especially people who cannot afford to go to proper hospitals.

Ild advice that a lot of us visit villages or even hospitals in cities like Lagos. See people dying of common ailments that can be treated but because they don't have 1000naira or 5000naira to pay for surgery. Now offer these people the opportunity for free surgery in the one shown above and see if they will care its built on cow dung!

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You are celebrating mediocrity. Are we supposed to have such amenities in Nigeria with our oil production record?. Why must we manage as Nigerians?

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agrgh!!! abeg, can we go back to the post. Im not much of a talker and my mind is spinning already. If you read my post to Aloy, I told him in the very first line that we should return to the post at hand and not take things out of context. Meaning that, my post with the whole somalia thingy was being taken out of context. I didn't twist anything.

And just so you know, this is an EXTREME case for Makoko people and thats why I think tpia brought the life and death issue. Most of them would probably not even have access to proper hospitals talkless of surgeries and here is someone offering them this for free or at least affordable fees??

Im not sure I want to go round in circles abeg. Forget that I responded to your post and lets move forward.

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Now, which question was really asked in this case? Imagine you are in an exam here. Which of the two questions is likely closest to what was asked?

  Will You Allow Your Belly Opened In This Modern Surgical Theatre?

Note the THIS reference in the question, Not just the structure but THIS particular structure ( environs and all).

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I pointed out that the picture is likely photoshopped and also directed that we stick to the disecting the picture and not some IMAGINED FANTASIES WE MAY HAVE OF IT and you think you make sense in the above? Dude, just ignore my posts if yoiu are unwilling to admit you are wrong in this.  Seriously, I tire too of ego fights that take me no where.

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The original poster asked a question. Someone gave conditions and you zeroed his conditions with your own myopic view (a picture! one you were'nt even sure was photoshopped or not!). Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.

Anyways, back at post, like someone said, I think if it was a matter of life and death, it will be hard to choose where one wants his belly to be opened.

kudos to the NGO guys though.

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If the issue is: "is the structure above capable of housing a functioning and safe surgical theatre?"

The clear answer is a capital YES. It can fit in a bed, an aneasthetic machine, basic surgical equipments, a surgeon, his assistant and an anaesthetist. Field hospitals on battle front may all be that and perform adequate operations, thank you very much.

Anyway poster is cynical referring to the unit as "modern".

If on the other hand it is "is the structure fit for purpose to offer medical treatment to Nigerians[made from apparently corrugated roofing sheets on what appears to be foul smelling stale water]?"

Then it is surely NO.

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Same way women have gone through abortions in a chemist shop. Will you endorse a such quacks because he successfully performed 30 abortions?

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OK!!! Let me get this straight. I responded to a post trying to compare the above with the MOST EXTREME of cases, by posting another YET EXTREME case, and what you did was respond to mind by telling me people eat worse when they are starving? Why does that matter though when we are NOT considering an extreme case here but simply trying to answer a simple question here.  A Simple YES OR NO would really suffice in this case. Not trying to make this yet another US VS THEM thread.

Are you kidding me? What else do I base this on? Your backside? Lol . . . Of course, I will base my points on evidence in the picture and not some COOKED UP PHOOEY I have no way of substantiating. They say pictures tell a 1000 stories and that picture there tells a lot. Why IMAGINE what it does not? The question is about the PICTURE!

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@Aloy,

Lets not take this out of context and return to the topic at hand. Someone said analysed that is it an excuse for someone to eat dog poo just because he or she is starving and I gave an example that it is not just an excuse, it is really happening.

Back to the topic, if you read the outline, you'l read that these people have given 20 free surgeries in this same surgery. Like I said, maybe half of those 20 people would be dead by now or permanently disabled but for those surgeries. I have also challenged anyone who has more information to tell us with facts that that surgery does not meet minimum standard.

If anyone can do that, I will keep quiet.

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Arewe now so bad that we can draw conclusions with war torn Rwanda and Somalia?

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You also virtually destroyed another man's effort merely by looking at a picture you yourself doubted was original. And I replied by saying, rather than base all your points on whats in the picture, have you sort to find out if it meets minimum standards?

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Dude!!! That is NO POINT HERE!!! You are asked a very very simple question  here. Instead you have found a way to convert this into yet another “SING GLORY TO THE PATRIOTS” session!! Are you sure you are alright?

Because your so called somalians and Rwandans eat poo means it is OK for us to eat poo as well? What next? If the somalians or any other desperately poor population out there lick their butts after defaecating, we should follow suit? Do you even dissect that reasoning before you post?

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The point is, lives have been saved. I want to believe the minimum standards have been met in building this surgery. Its totally unfair for us to sit down behind a PC and bring down another man's idea. We might end up discouraging others.

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Why do we Nigerians like complaining? I mean its a thing of choice whether you'l like to be taken there or not but the issue is, people are thinking!

I am no medic but I want to believe that the people who have provided this have taken into consideration the basic requirements. They have also given 20 FREE surgeries already. Prior to this, maybe the people who were operated upon would have died or suffered permanent disabilities.

Ild rather we do our own bit rather than outrightly condemn another person's effort. If this was a government initiative, I would understand your grieviances but please, these are private individuals who are doing their bits. Go do your own bit!

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Yeye boy na me u wan kill abi.Really world class!

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Considering the environs,i recommend that anybody attending this "thing" should take anti-malaria and thyhoid drugs.

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E get A/c ooo but if PHCN take light during surgery or mosquito fly inside your stomach from the murky water underneath, na your wahala be that.

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Roflmao!!! Did you bother to examine the picture you have there? No need speculating about the insides of that building when what you have right there is all you need to go by.

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It depends on what is inside the theatre. You may have a fine looking theatre and inside it is ill-equipped.

Looks does not matter. What matters is: Diathermy

Laminal flow, temperature reading, operating lights, functioning operating tables and trolley,

functioning anaesthetic machine, suctioning machine, ventilated room,

sterile packs and instruments.

ETC.

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Ritualist's are now incorporating 419 tactics into their traps?

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Not even on my dead body!!!

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I swear, it wasn't. That's a mobile theater in Lagos built by a non profit organization.

http://www.openarchitecturenetwork.org/projects/hfi

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