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Are humans really spirit?

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Noooo, but i think our spirits dwell within us, that's what makes up our entire being, when we pass, our spirit lives on,

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"because the bible said" is like saying "because my great grand mother said". Wake up man, it's 2003!

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human beings are spirit living in the body and have soul.

have u forgotting that god IS THREE IN ONE? god of the father, the son and the holy spirit, and when he want to create human he said COME LETS MAKE MAN IN OWR OWN IMAGE! so he maid us. and we too are spirit living in the body and using our mind as a determinant.

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That is well said, I wonder if you have read one of the book I give out to visitors of my website, A book that is changing more lifes than I ever before.

Below is something from the book.

A noble and Godlike character is not a thing of favour or chance, but is the natural result of continued effort in right thinking, the effect of long-cherished association with Godlike thoughts. An ignoble and bestial character, by the same process, is the result of the continued harbouring of grovelling thoughts.

Man is made or unmade by himself; in the armoury of thought he forges the weapons by which he destroys himself; he also fashions the tools with which he builds for himself heavenly mansions of

joy and strength and peace.

By the right choice and true application of thought, man ascends to the Divine Perfection; by the abuse and wrong application of thought, he descends below the level of the beast. Between these two extremes are all the grades of character, and man is their maker and master.

If you would like to recieve the book just send email to team1eng2@yahoo dot com, .

Arise.

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dearone I think the problem is that, as the author noted above, the world is structured along lines that are contrary to the full exhibition of the spirit in human form.

A world in which success is measured, not by degree of virtue, selflessness, compassion, and grace, but by power over others and material acquisitions can never produce the just and peaceful world that would represent a spiritually elevated human collective.

Thus until we see a change in the entire social construct around which we define 'success', expect more spiritual bankruptcy in the human family. 

Religion is of limited use in all of this because it itself propagates values which are contrary to the criterion for 'success' on earth. Which is why most religious people are really just paying it lip service.

I'll give an example. Do a poll and ask how many christians would work for Shell Petroleum if offered a job there?

You'll find close to 100% would say yes without batting an eyelid.

Yet look at Shell's appalling record on the environment and how millions have suffered/died from their pollution.

By working for Shell, a christian is wilfully contributing to this evil.

Same goes for working in a bank/stockbrokers/etc.

Most of the policies undertaken by such institutions run very much contrary to any religious principles. Their actions affect adversely the lives of millions.

Until materialism, greed, ambition, competition etc are disposed of culturally, we will have NO peace on earth, and we will keep pretending in churches and mosques, to care about God and our fellows.

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The question is "Are Humans spirit" if yes please explain what you understand by spirit, if no explain why you think humans are not spirit.

Without limiting words, humans are spirit, but I think being spirits most of the Human Race are not operating at the full spiritual awareness. I understand that there exisit one great spirit where everything proceeded, and this great spirit "God" has not changed and will never change. Humans live with all the ability of God, that is humans are part of God and not God, (God created humans in God's image and likeness), ,

Then, why are humans living with all sort of limitations. Can this problem be solved, is there any road map that will help this clarity of living like spirits that we are.

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Without the brain there is no consciousness.

No. Have you considered that maybe they only "remembered" those experiences when they woke?

If you have time, read up on hypnosis sessions with "alien" abducted victims.

Quite possible. You also have to note that on some occasions when there has been a traumatic new ezperience, the brain "re-wires" itself. Sometimes accident victims with brain-damage turn out with higher IQs after healing. Some others have been noted to have changes in their speech intonations, as their brain neurons grew new pathways.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9474.html

Sorry I cut in-- the post was meant for nferyn

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nferyn said:

Not you again!

We debated this topic at length a while back and you were soundly defeated. Your chemical reaction theory does not negate the spiritual experience felt by the consciousness. The experience may manifest physically as a chemical reaction, but since consciousness is not physical matter, the manifestation of the death experience on a non-physical level is totally different.

All in all, a dying brain reaction can simply not account for the huge catalogue of experiences and visions reported by NDErs.

Do you realise that a number of NDEers have returned from the dead with special abilities, knowledge, and insights which have been confirmed as authentic and hitherto beyond the abilities/purview of the experiencer(s)?

At least one I know returned with scientific knowledge for which he has gotten patents.

How does your 'dying brain chemical reaction' theory explain THAT?

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Sure, if you can ferment and distill the corpse.

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What do you mean by spirit?

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Of course not. Spirits are inventions of our over active human imagination. Near death experiences or Out-of-body experiences are caused by chemical reactions in the brain.

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Yes, indeed, we have lost a lot of the ancient knowledge. Prior to the advent of christianity and Islam, Africans and other peoples KNEW that death was simply a passage to the next world, unlike today when many are not aware of anything.

Materialism, ''education'', and modern religion have all but destroyed our ancient knowledge of human transcendence.

But the modern testimonies of Near Death experiencers, and Out of Body experiencers attest to the truth of our immortality.

My own in-law, a lady I trust like my own mother, related to me an incident that occurred when she was 10 years old. She fell very ill, and was on the hospital bed surrounded by her family.

Then she found herself at the ceiling looking down at them, and at her own body. She did not remember having any 'body' as she looked down at the room from the ceiling.

When she was revived, she was told that she had kept on repeating the words: ''why am I at the ceiling? why am I at the ceiling?'' during the period she lay semi-conscious on the bed.

She remembers the incident like it happened yesterday.

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Jen33,

That is very wonderful, you explained it so well and I so much believe in what they said in another place called spirit millionaires. They said that "humans are still spirit" (see spiritmillionaires . com ), and therefore humans are suppose to be wealthy.

I think that as spirits we are not meant to get stuck about things of life, we are very much equiped to handle everything that comes our way, the only problem I think is that we have not really awaken to the conscious knowing of us being spirits.

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YES. ABSOLUTELY.

When we ''die'', we simply return to our spirit bodies with our consciousness intact and very much ALIVE.

We also experience an expanded awareness upon re-entering that phase of existence.

We were also alive in the spirit world before we are born as humans. We are made to 'forget' our spirit existence as full knowledge will negate the reason for our brief earthly sojourn, which has to do with learning, and teaching lessons, with the goal of greater spiritual development of our immortal souls.

See www.near-death.com for further details, as gleaned from Near Death Experiencers - those who've been certified dead, but revived to relate truly astonishing accounts of what it feels like to be ''dead''.

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