Are Nigerians truly good Christians or mere pretenders putting into consideration the
rate of corruption in this country? The rate of evil in this country leaves one in doubt.
Are Nigerians truly good Christians or mere pretenders putting into consideration the
rate of corruption in this country? The rate of evil in this country leaves one in doubt.
I think that in the same way some use flattery and kindness to scam and use, some also use religion as such. It is what is being taught as something to do in order to achieve what your goal is.
Personally I pray to thank not to ask, but that's just me.
I live in Canada and even in a whole church full of people their are only some there who practice what they preach and give it back to their community. I have recently been through a rough time and it definately makes you notice who the saints and the sinners are. The saints will embrace you and the fakes will wave their finger in your face and read and spread your thoughts as gospel!! It is what it is, some are genuine and some are fakes!! Fakes won't last long though. God is the word and the word is truth!!
I agree with CGIFT!! The question is flawed. For me. 1. It is too general-not specific! 2. What is your own definition of religion?
"ORGANIZED RELIGION" KILLS! so I could easily use "religion and pretender" interchangeably. As for me, I am a follower of Christ and since God is Spirit, I worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. This makes me a Christian. Not "religious"
Christ's intention was not religion. Religion requires "works" and requires "perfection". True Christians know that salvation is free, lest any man should boast and no one is perfect but God. We are only righteous through Christ. Therefore, I choose not to "box" Him in that category. Jesus Christ is a category of His own and His followers are called: CHRSITIANS.
I am Christian first, Nigerian second. I am a God pleaser and not a people pleaser. My answer is:" religious people are pretenders and expect them to do the very worst. I cannot say "Nigerians" as a whole-This is too general. Assumptions are dangerous.
yes,nigerians are mere pretenders.
most atrocities emanate from our churches here in nigeria,am sure if i start listing now i wont finish easily cos once i start writing another one comes to mind.in fact am itching to write but i'll prefer to exercise some restraint.
pastors also feed fat on peoples emotions that you tend to wonder about their motivation.am not saying everybody is a culprit and of course you cant be a saint but nigerian christians,abeg.
i do go to church but i have refused to mingle with church members even the pastor cos i prefer to keep my image of them intact.once you start moving close you start to see the stench emanating from them and you start to wonder,isnt it this sister that when she sings,anointing flows,then you start to question if anointing really is flowing or it is in fact an illusion.
you see,i believe in having a personal relationship with GOD,and am not really interested in anybody praying for me,i will do it myself,thank you.cheers
The word Nigeria across the world is often synonymous with “419”, ”dubious”, “cheats”, “money hungry“ and “political unrest”. But we have all these all over the world and the sins of a few does not make all sinners (pretenders). Besides it is proven that it is much easier to do wrong/evil than to act accordingly in truth.
You can’t tell me we don’t have the religious-acting in the US or UK that is supposedly a better country. They are just better at it.
With Nigeria our country, we shouldn’t see the cup as half empty but half full.
What we are going through, believe me has happened in other countries in some form, if not going to happen, or currently happening. If you do some further research on America (mentioned earlier) that seeming is religious and purports freedom, you'll find out the waters of the vices in this country run really deep. They just have some measures to curb their negatives.
I believe Nigeria will be great again. It will. But it would take us the people to put aside our differences and really work together "in truth" to build our country.
God bless you for your postings here.
Really the truth of the matter is that until we begin to realise and discuss what the issue with us, we will never get to solve our problems!
There are millions of decent Nigerians out there who are doing it the honest as well we have the bad eggs. But when we share the problem and make the noise out of it, we are already looking for a way out of the mess.
Believe you me, Nigeria is coming to be great! It is just a product of time. If we get the right leader, we will sky-rocket into greatness that we are truly meant to be!
I would say that Nigerians are truly religious (ONLY WHEN THEY ARE IN WITHIN THE SIGHT OF THEIR PASTORS/PRIEST/CHURCH LEADERS). Just go to any church and watch them when they are leaving at the end of each service, they are so impatient, hunking for the car in front of them to just vanish, they see church members trekking under the rain but choose to just zoom off.
I have always said it that a lot of us are hypocrites.
There is nothing wrong in being Self Critical,the worst thing you can do is to bury your head in the sand,wish the problem goes away or worst blame someone else.Nigerians are coming to the realization of admitting the wrongs going on our country rather than sweep it under the carpet like what older generation did.
Some people believe that we (Nigerians) shouldn't wash our dirty linen in public,I think that's a recipe for disaster.
I am African American and married a Nigerian man in January this year. I received my Approval Notice for him and my stepson to come to the states, and they should join me next month (prayerfully).
Now we both are a Christian, but the churches we worship at (his in Nigeria and mine in the states) differ--especially in the areas of women ministry, women's roles in the church, and how women and men interact with one another in the service. I believe he is very sincere in his love towards the Lord.
One thing I am curious about, and if someone will address this I would greatly appreciate it. Why are Nigerians so harsh about themselves? I mean just because Nigeria is known, right now, to be a very corrupt place, does not mean all Nigerians are corrupt (No they are not). Yet, it seems as though many Nigerians say, "I know how we are!", as if to imply that they are all dubious, crooked, and not good. Why do Nigerians "put down" themselves continually because of inappropriate actions of some others? When I was coming to Lagos, Nigeria to get married, I sat near a Nigerian man that said, "I know how Nigerians are.". We were talking about my upcoming marriage.
We Americans realize that corruption, schemers, good and bad people dwell within every country, yet we will proclaim that we live in one of the best countries on the face of the earth. You will not hear us quote something about America that needs to improve without saying, almost in the same breath, it is the land of "freedom, opportunity, and liberty for all men!"
Please do not put your own selves down, unless you will balance out the negative statements with something positive about Nigeria. For if you do not view yourself positively, why should you expect someone else to? Nigeria is not all bad, and all Nigerians are not all pretenders. Some really serve God with their whole heart, mind, and soul. My husband and his family serves God with all their hearts, and I believe many others do.
Why should I, an African American woman, wo is married to a Nigerian man, be one of Nigeria's greatest defenders? Where are the Nigerians that defend their own country? Surely something is good about Nigeria.
@Sophienwa, read my earlier posts on this thread.
As for the story,hypocrisy and pretending are almost the same thing,thats what i was trying to show.
I said this is not gist,last July I was not told ,I was on the street.I don't know where you live but robbers commonly operate for hours not minutes in Nigeria.
I don't do jokes on a serious thread.
Some people are still not getting the question.Are they pretenders or not ?
This is not "gist".Last year armed robbers came to my street in Calabar and after robbing one govt. official of some money meant for official duty the following morning( he collected several hundred thousand very late taht day).They stood in the street sang song of praise gave a tesimony and prayed for forgiveness before leaving.
This is a true story and anyone who lives there will know what I am talking about.
Nigerians are just religious pretenders, period!
A Nigerian will become a clergyman overnight just to get a visa,
Can pretend to be a faithful just to marry a sister in the Church,
Can go to Bible school just to get certificate in other to boost his CV as being trustworthy; what can they possibly not pretend to be?
I mean even armed robbers hold prayer sessions before checking out for operations!
Going to Church is just routine/religious obligation!
first of all we have to understand what religion is. religion is not Christianity as some are assuming.it is basically a belief in someone or something(supernatural) hence i will say that Nigerians are indeed religious. i guess the reason why there is so much emphasis on xtianity is cos it is in the forefront and more people r turning to God cos of their situations. indeed Karl max was right when he said 'religion is the opium of the masses'. anyway the point i am trying 2 make is that it would be wrong to call what they do pretense cos it is more like - they love God and even though they want 2 live right they are only human hence still have their failings. no one is perfect and we can only work 2wards perfection; so the bible says. my own 2 cents
The problem with Nigerian is we love to live in denial of what is happening in our society.Take the example of Naija Pastors who collect "Aduro Money" but at the same time doing "Dagbo Work" at the side and yet every sunday they tell all their customers to pay their tithes.Where is the tithe coming from Aduro,dagbo.
Please don't forget that "dagbo" is illigal,a crime and of course a sin.If the pastor and is members are rushing from sunday service after confessing their sins and speaking and shaking in tongues to their "dagbo jab" then who is fooling who
I'm not exactly a pastor, don't like to see pretenders, but would rather they were religious than anything else.
The effect of religion cannot be quantitatively measured but all one needs to do is compare religious countries with not so religious and a difference in morals is evident. Also compare the values of someone who has never been influenced by religion to one who has and a difference again is observed
@okejazz, mrmayor, donbomb
So are yiz all suggesting that much less people be religious for there 2 be less religious pretenders?
Nigerians are mere pretenders.
It is very hard to find religious people in Niegrai of today.
If you see an overzealous brethren, chances are that they want something from God.
If you dont ave dough in the church, you are never reckoned with.
Have you seen any yuppy pastor with one-legged wife.
Nay nay nay, they will go for the most beautiful sister in the church.
Na condition make cray fish bend.
If not for condition you for no see anybody for church.
Nigeria! Nigeria!! Nigeria!!! - The land where money dictates everything
Of course no politicians can steal from churches because Naija Churches are Private Enterprise where members (sic) congregation pay 10% TAX tithe owner pastor everyday.
The bottom line is for such a country where people would kill and die for their religious believes these same people would accept bribes,plunder public coffers,confer titles to people of questionable character but at the same time shout praise the lord and Allah Ku bar louder than original owners of the said religions.
I have seen the way people I know in Naija treat their domestic workers like animals,shout at them,beat them etc but yet claim to assured of their place in heaven.Being Born Again and Fanatical Muslim is fashionable in Nigeria.I can't stand when Nigerians drop the name of their God in every thing they say,from God is in Control to Ins ha Allah,I get so pissed off.
nigerians are pretenders, have anyone ever noticed the decadence in
the way women dress to church these days? i dont know why a woman will
come to church showing men half of her bosom. or maybe come to church
putting on a mini skirt such that once she sits down, the guy next to her can
never concentrate. even mothers do the same . attimes i feel so ashamed of
christians. and most of the girls who are saying that are politician are corrupt
on this thread are guilty of what am saying.
in my own understanding, no man is perfect.
but i still believe that it is easier for one to dress properly to church than to
lead justly. so ladies please stop leading us into temptation in the house of God.
NO POLITICIAN HAS EVER STOLEN MONEY IN THE HOUSE OF GOD, THEY FEAR GOD.
LADIES THAT DRESS IMPROPERLY TO CHURCH DONT FEAR GOD.
Sleekmike, thanks for this thread and I wish to add to the discussion by first saying ”all this una gra gra and talk talk so tay spit don full my computer, QUIET!!!” Please at ease on the personal joust.
This leads no where. Listen, until there is a renewal of the mind in every Nigerian; man, woman, boy, girl, even babies we will continue to be “mere pretenders” irrespective of our religious beliefs.
I called my distant relative in Nigeria (still in elementary school) months ago and in our conversation he said he wanted to be a politician in future. I asked why, he replied “ so he can eat his national cake”.
Sadly but true, you don’t have to be a politician to be a “pretender” or fake in Nigeria. The ubiquity of this stench is everywhere; churches, mosques, banks, governmental positions, traditional leaders, policemen, etc whatever, u name it, u can actually SEE it. And as long as we decide to shelve these issues rather than deal with them squarely, we can not make any headway. I mean look at our last election.
I for one, personally have no moral right to point accusing fingers on anyone; PDP, EFCC, Atiku, and so on. But I do think what we need in our country is a stronger judiciary so we can curb these nonsense.
My people have a saying that (s)he who speaks the truth will live long.
My hats off to those Nigerians living the truth.
Religion is a way of life,you got to be the propagator,it is not something some body teaches you like you have in africa,it is a way you connect to what is,everything that makes sense,your whole being in relation to everything.What we have in africa as religion is mere indoctrination,people don't understand what they believe in because they are not intuned to it,you got to be the one that is for you to be,just like Christ.
@1K001 ,I will agree with you on one point .If I did not have a Christian upbringing or did not go to church I know I would definitely be a much worse person than I am.But I am talking here about people who are outwardly very religious(not only Christians, mark this. )but who do not show it in any way in their personal lives.
There is no way to look into the heart of any person ,but you can tell by their fruits (actions)what they are.
I'm sorry but i don't suscribe to your thinking. maybe those who read their bibles at home are good but i assure u they can be better by going to church. Those who seem not to gain from church going would be worse without it. If a thief goes to church everyday but still steals then happy days cuz perhaps without church he'd be killing as well as stealing, u get my point.
@ samsilo, i understand where you are coming from but my argument is that being religious would make the realization of ones follies quicker and easier. Everybody is a pretender of some sort9some may be more than others) so don't point fingers at any body. And as far as i know Odili is not corrupt as i've not heard any court of competent jurisdiction convict him. Innocent until proven guilty what ever happened to that!
@ mr mayor, well at least your sister knows that it isn't exactly honest. How does she know that, well i think it's because she's religious. Those who aren't religious don't regard dishonesty as being wrong and that's worse than pretending. Don't get me wrong i don't like to see situations like you've described but i'd rather they were in church every week than 'who knows where else they may be instead'.
Sir,you fail to see my point.My logic is this,why would all those people attend all those morning services when they know that Mr Governor would be stealing them blind that day?some of those people attending that service have their Super Inflated Contracts tucked in their handbacks waiting for Mr Governor's signature.yes that includes my sister.when I asked her if she had inflated the figures in her contract papers,she said yes,her defense was that if you can't beat them join them,she preaches to me and even speaks in tongues yet she is lieing in her contract papers.
@ Red lips U got it for real
@1K00!, man I don't know where youlive or how long you've been away from Nigeria.That your statement "if Odili is corrupt must qualify as the greatest joke ever on Nairaland.
@ Topic note . I am a Christian and I try my best to be a good Christian. This post is not about whether it is good to go to church or Mosque but what the reality of the life of people who who claim to be holier than others is.
The sooner one realises how imperfect your life is then you can make amends
Well like i said b4, chances that he'll change from his corruption (if he is corrupt) are much higher if he keeps going to church as compared to if he stopped. Ever thought what would be the case if he wasn't religious at all that perhaps he would be even more corrupt than he is at the moment (that is if he is). You never can accurately measure the impact religion has on people's lives.
Nigerian are Self Righteous Hypocrites,all over the place you will hear from Nigerians shout about God this and God that and we have nothing to show for it,well except the huge bank balance of Naija churches.
Last year,called my sister morning only to hear that she went to Morning Devotion at Rivers State government house and guess who was the preacher?no other than Peter Odilli the governor.Its only in Nigerian you see corrupt politicians leading prayer section and of course everyone would praise and shout with him,saying amen to this and that.
A general theme running through this thread is hypocrisy, however i think one very valid point has yet to be highlighted. Religion or religious institutions are not rest homes for the already perfected, they are avenues for imperfect people (every human being in other words) to gain the impetus to live a better life. I don't go to church to show others i'm perfect, i go because i'm imperfect and need the Lord's mercy to carry on, by acknowledging my imperfections, his existence and his power to make me better. If i were perfect i wouldn't set my feet in any religious institution.
I'm Nigerian, i'm religious, am i a hypocrite, yes i am, but at least i acknowledge that i am and try as much as i can to practice what i profess. I believe i stand a better chance of becoming a better person by being religious than by not being so in the name of not pretending. Notice i speak for myself and for no one else cuz that's all i can do. Every man for him sef in this thing called life.
I AM NOT PERFECT, I AM A WORK IN PROGRESS. RELIGION IS THE CATALYST THAT SPEEDS UP THE WORK!